Conversing with the Dead Agents in Berlin
gerry armstrong
John Carmichael showed up at the "SP Conference" October 26 in Berlin
and handed out a Scientology black propaganda sheet in German, a
translation of which, done by some friends here in Canada, follows.
[Quote]
Berlin, October 26, 1997
TO TODAY'S MEETING AT THE "CHURCH HOUSE"
Gerry Armstrong: Fugitive from the Law
"They searched the whole world for the leading speaker
against Scientology and all they found is a fugitive from
American Justice, who fled to Canada. His normal activities
consist of conversations with the dead" said lawyer Elliot
Aberson who represents the International Church of Scientology.
"To present such a psychotic person as Gerry Armstrong as a
reliable witness is a new low in the losing international
campaign, which is organized by people with governmental backing,
against the fundamental rights of the members of the Church of
Scientology."
"A 72 hour childish boycott campaign was called against the
March for Freedom of Religion. This is to curtail free speech of
the members of the Church of Scientology in tomorrow's march,
which has been organized by the interreligious organization FRG -
Freedom of Religion in Germany. This consists of adolescent
actions, like cancelling hotel reservations, transportation
arrangements and equipment orders, and the false announcement
that the March for Religious Freedom was cancelled."
"Some people, like some Government "experts," have
completely lost the ability to act rationally."
"Nothing in the recent past is comparable with the above
described kindergarten tactics. Germany is not only at the center
of harsh international politics, but it is becoming more and more
the laughing stock of the civilized world," said Mr. Abelson.
Mr. Armstrong, the so-called "Scientology Expert," was found
guilty of contempt of court. When he was ordered to report to
jail he fled the USA and is hiding in Canada. He stated in court
that he normally converses with the dead.
"That he was the only anti-Scientology speaker found by
Ursual Caberta and Renate Rennebach, shows how desperate they are
to find someone outside of Germany to support their base bigotry."
V.i.S.d.P. Ute Kock, Church of Scientology Berlin
[End Quote]
Perhaps my German friends can compare this translation with the
original and correct any translation errors.
Without accepting the cult's label of "anti-Scientology speaker," if I
was an anti-Scientology speaker, then I was not, as the cult knows,
the only anti-Scientology speaker. There were at least seven others at
the October 26 panel, including at least three other non-Germans.
I didn't leave the US when I was ordered to report to jail. I left
when I discovered that the cult's leaders figure the tax exempt status
and their billions of dirty dollars depend on silencing me. I left in
February, 1997, in order to be free to correct this tax fraud and
other Scientology abuses. The cult got its order sending me to jail in
June, 1997.
Carmichael also handed out a bench warrant for my arrest issued by
Marin County Superior Court Judge Gary W. Thomas in August this year.
I will post this separately.
I do not believe Elliott Abelson or Ute Kock had ever laid eyes on me
before publishing this black PR. They certainly never asked me about
conversing with the dead, which is not only not my normal activity, it
isn't anything that even rings a bell. I don't even know a dead
person. Where this claimed statement in court was made Heaven and
Abelson only know. I will try to find out and pass it on.
In that this black PR was handed out by the Scientologists to the
media at the October 26 event, and was used by at least one newspaper
in a subsequent article, I will have some lawyers look at it for
corrective action. I'll also pass this on as it develops.
There was some speculation in Germany that Abelson has me mixed up
with Koos, who really does normally converse with the dead. Even that
might be actionable, but IANAL.
I think that labeling somone psychotic for conversing with the dead,
especially when he doesn't, should be a message to all you
Scientologists who write all those conversing with the dead success
stories for Advance magazine. Your leaders, the cynical few who run
the cult and spend your money on lawyers and PIs to attack good
people, really believe, when they read your ingenuous success stories
about your OT powers and your telepathic communications with dead
people, that you are psychotic. Your leaders are really not good for
you. They tolerate your "psychosis" because you have money. And they
need your money for those lawyers and PIs to attack people just like
you.
Gerry
Rob Clark
>John Carmichael showed up at the "SP Conference" October 26 in Berlin
>and handed out a Scientology black propaganda sheet in German, a
>translation of which, done by some friends here in Canada, follows.
john carmichael is a dumb cocksucker. perhaps he has always been that
way. but dumb cocksucker he is, and sadly, will likely remain.
>[Quote]
>Berlin, October 26, 1997
>TO TODAY'S MEETING AT THE "CHURCH HOUSE"
[snip snip snip]
> "A 72 hour childish boycott campaign was called against the
>March for Freedom of Religion. This is to curtail free speech of
>the members of the Church of Scientology in tomorrow's march,
>which has been organized by the interreligious organization FRG -
>Freedom of Religion in Germany. This consists of adolescent
>actions, like cancelling hotel reservations, transportation
>arrangements and equipment orders, and the false announcement
>that the March for Religious Freedom was cancelled."
what, do you mean that happened? is this even remotely true?
if so, scientology opponents will surely line up in droves to announce
such similar tactics used against them over the years.
methinks the overt doth speak loud in accusation.
no reports from TNX-L remarked on any such occurrences, it is likely a
pure invention fed to the nearly-senile elliott abelson, who will
gladly spout forth any jism that has recently been injected into his
gut.
> "Some people, like some Government "experts," have
>completely lost the ability to act rationally."
yeah, look who's talking.
> "Nothing in the recent past is comparable with the above
>described kindergarten tactics. Germany is not only at the center
>of harsh international politics, but it is becoming more and more
>the laughing stock of the civilized world," said Mr. Abelson.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHA!
one who *is* a laughingstock is in no position to name laughingstocks
for the rest of us. it is rude to interrupt laughter in such a
manner.
so please fuck off, mr. abelson, while i laugh at you a bit more.
[chuckle snort cackle]
> Mr. Armstrong, the so-called "Scientology Expert," was found
>guilty of contempt of court. When he was ordered to report to
gosh. contempt. toward an AMERICAN court.
is this from the same cult that is in contempt of an order from the
supreme court itself to pay larry wollersheim?
contemptible cult remains, in contumacious contempt, in contempt of
the supreme court itself, contemptuously.
a nice headline, i imagine it would dwarf any headline about
armstrong.
>jail he fled the USA and is hiding in Canada. He stated in court
>that he normally converses with the dead.
[yawn] i think i can ignore the rest of this.
> "That he was the only anti-Scientology speaker found by
>Ursual Caberta and Renate Rennebach, shows how desperate they are
>to find someone outside of Germany to support their base bigotry."
yeah, he was the only one, except for the seven others.
[yawn] it is hardly even worth bothering to refute blatant lies.
rob
Zane
>I do not believe Elliott Abelson or Ute Kock had ever laid eyes on me
>before publishing this black PR. They certainly never asked me about
>conversing with the dead, which is not only not my normal activity, it
>isn't anything that even rings a bell. I don't even know a dead
>person.
Could it be some sort of subtle threat? We know how paranoid they
are, perhaps they're saying that you're getting information from
someone who will soon be dead. Just a wild hunch, that's usenet for
you.
Zane
Joe Harrington
gerry armstrong wrote:
>
Brilliant. :-)
Joe
rgonnet
Rob Clark wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Nov 1997 05:03:20 GMT, arms...@ntonline.com (gerry
> armstrong) wrote:
>
> >John Carmichael showed up at the "SP Conference" October 26 in Berlin
> >and handed out a Scientology black propaganda sheet in German, a
> >translation of which, done by some friends here in Canada, follows.
>
> john carmichael is a dumb cocksucker. perhaps he has always been that
> way. but dumb cocksucker he is, and sadly, will likely remain.
>
> >[Quote]
>
> >Berlin, October 26, 1997
>
> >TO TODAY'S MEETING AT THE "CHURCH HOUSE"
>
> [snip snip snip]
>
> > "A 72 hour childish boycott campaign was called against the
> >March for Freedom of Religion. This is to curtail free speech of
> >the members of the Church of Scientology in tomorrow's march,
> >which has been organized by the interreligious organization FRG -
> >Freedom of Religion in Germany. This consists of adolescent
> >actions, like cancelling hotel reservations, transportation
> >arrangements and equipment orders, and the false announcement
> >that the March for Religious Freedom was cancelled."
This accusation is most probably the sort of thing scienos accuse others
to do whilst doing them themselves. Or that could be the fact that some
hotels, learning of them, have cancelled their reservations, or that some
hotels and planes or buses have refused scienos because they were already
filled in (a thing they could have done even for non-scienos!)
>
>
> what, do you mean that happened? is this even remotely true?
> if so, scientology opponents will surely line up in droves to announce
> such similar tactics used against them over the years.
>
> methinks the overt doth speak loud in accusation.
>
> no reports from TNX-L remarked on any such occurrences, it is likely a
> pure invention fed to the nearly-senile elliott abelson, who will
> gladly spout forth any jism that has recently been injected into his
> gut.
>
> > "Some people, like some Government "experts," have
> >completely lost the ability to act rationally."
>
> yeah, look who's talking.
The hospital is mocking charity...
>
>
> > "Nothing in the recent past is comparable with the above
> >described kindergarten tactics. Germany is not only at the center
> >of harsh international politics, but it is becoming more and more
> >the laughing stock of the civilized world," said Mr. Abelson.
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>
> one who *is* a laughingstock is in no position to name laughingstocks
> for the rest of us. it is rude to interrupt laughter in such a
> manner.
>
> so please fuck off, mr. abelson, while i laugh at you a bit more.
>
> [chuckle snort cackle]
>
> > Mr. Armstrong, the so-called "Scientology Expert," was found
> >guilty of contempt of court. When he was ordered to report to
>
> gosh. contempt. toward an AMERICAN court.
>
> is this from the same cult that is in contempt of an order from the
> supreme court itself to pay larry wollersheim?
>
> contemptible cult remains, in contumacious contempt, in contempt of
> the supreme court itself, contemptuously.
>
> a nice headline, i imagine it would dwarf any headline about
> armstrong.
>
> >jail he fled the USA and is hiding in Canada. He stated in court
> >that he normally converses with the dead.
>
> [yawn] i think i can ignore the rest of this.
Who is speaking to the dead ones? We have lots of "success stories" into
the advance and such other crap-scam mags saying such things.... Scienos
speak even to ever unexistent BTs!!!!
>
>
> > "That he was the only anti-Scientology speaker found by
> >Ursual Caberta and Renate Rennebach, shows how desperate they are
> >to find someone outside of Germany to support their base bigotry."
>
> yeah, he was the only one, except for the seven others.
>
> [yawn] it is hardly even worth bothering to refute blatant lies.
>
> rob
Roger
Zane
On 12 Nov 1997 07:32:25 GMT, "Garry Scarff" <Sca...@iag.net> wrote:
>I'll outlive you bonehead.
ROFLMAO! Who's going to hold the bets?
Zane
Cornelius Krasel
gerry armstrong <arms...@ntonline.com> wrote:
[quoting from Scientology DA material]
> the false announcement
> that the March for Religious Freedom was cancelled.
There was apparently a fax claiming exactly that which confused Scientologists
and critics alike :-)
--Cornelius.
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Garry Scarff
Zane <z_th...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<34c2323d....@snews.zippo.com>...
> >before publishing this black PR. They certainly never asked me about
> >conversing with the dead, which is not only not my normal activity, it
> >isn't anything that even rings a bell. I don't even know a dead
> >person.
Look in a full-length mirror, lately?