Gerry Armstrong's Imminent Return to the US
sca...@iag.net
Word has it that the motions are in place to ferret Mr. Armstrong back to
the United State, involuntarily if necessary, to answer to federal
charges of elluding U.S.laws.
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Martin Hunt
In article <8689305...@dejanews.com>, sca...@iag.net, Garry Scarff
wrote:
>Word has it that the motions are in place to ferret Mr. Armstrong back to
>the United State, involuntarily if necessary, to answer to federal
>charges of elluding U.S.laws.
I expect that, if the criminal organization called "Scientology" were
to try anything like that with a Canadian citizen it would provoke
an international incident. Glen Clark would love to sink his teeth
into this one, I feel confident. Mr. Gerry Armstrong is a Canadian
subject, and he has not even come close to meeting the extradition
requirements (IANAL). US laws have no meaning or force in this country,
despite Scientology's futile attempts to apply them here with such
ridiculous efforts as notifying me by registered mail, twice, that I
am in violation of a US judge's court order. Scientology had better
learn that this is not the US of A, or be slapped with a multi-million
dollar lawsuit for such violations if they take any action against
Mr. Armstrong, or, as has been hinted at, kidnap him and take him
to "America" for the weird brand of "justice" practiced in that country.
Mr. Armstrong will *not* be "ferreted", ie kidnapped, by Scientology.
This would result in severe criminal charges against that organization.
I thought the cult learned its lesson in the Casey Hill judgment and
the criminal proceedings before that in Toronto? Apparently no.
You've been warned, Scientology, Scarff, Helena Kobrin, David Miscavige.
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Joe Harrington
Martin Hunt wrote:
>
> In article <8689305...@dejanews.com>, sca...@iag.net, Garry Scarff
> wrote:
>
> >Word has it that the motions are in place to ferret Mr. Armstrong back to
> >the United State, involuntarily if necessary, to answer to federal
> >charges of elluding U.S.laws.
>
> I expect that, if the criminal organization called "Scientology" were
> to try anything like that with a Canadian citizen it would provoke
> an international incident. Glen Clark would love to sink his teeth
> into this one, I feel confident. Mr. Gerry Armstrong is a Canadian
> subject, and he has not even come close to meeting the extradition
> requirements (IANAL). US laws have no meaning or force in this country,
> despite Scientology's futile attempts to apply them here with such
> ridiculous efforts as notifying me by registered mail, twice, that I
> am in violation of a US judge's court order. Scientology had better
> learn that this is not the US of A, or be slapped with a multi-million
> dollar lawsuit for such violations if they take any action against
> Mr. Armstrong, or, as has been hinted at, kidnap him and take him
> to "America" for the weird brand of "justice" practiced in that country.
>
> Mr. Armstrong will *not* be "ferreted", ie kidnapped, by Scientology.
> This would result in severe criminal charges against that organization.
> I thought the cult learned its lesson in the Casey Hill judgment and
> the criminal proceedings before that in Toronto? Apparently no.
>
> You've been warned, Scientology, Scarff, Helena Kobrin, David Miscavige.
Gary needs to take that rest he has been promising himself.
I don't think the court involved with Garry was even a federal court?
I believe the ruling was made by a California Superior Court?
The case was a civil one. There are, to my knowledge, NO extradition
treaties regarding civil cases.
Gary needs to get some rest, and a clue.
Joe
Eric Rapp
Keith Wyatt wrote:
> Martin, what are you trying to prove here? Are you a representative of the
> Canadian Government? Your not a lawyer so please stop posting silly
> threats based on rumor and innuendo.
>
> Keith
Heck, Keith, it's never stopped you. Besides, you don't have to be a
lawyer to know that US laws don't apply in Canada (and vice versa).
Also, MAJOR pet peeve, please don't use "your" in place of "you're."
However, Martin, I think that a kidnapping of a Canadian citizen by
citizens of the US is not necessarily going to precipitate an
international incident. I'd imagine that the US would track down the
kidnappers (if they could be tracked down), extradite them to Canada,
and let them stand trial there. After all, the crime would have been
committed in Canada, subject to Canadian laws. What would happen to Mr.
Armstrong is beyond me. Probably, to avoid unpleasantness with our
neighbors, he'd be free to go home. IANAL. I'm just guessing.
eric
SP2
sca...@iag.net
In article <33CF29...@worldnet.att.net>,
IT SHOWS WHERE YOU'RE AT WHEN IT COMES TO HUMOR, JOE! SAME OLD
RESPONSE! RUN WITH YOUR HEAD APLOMB AND ERASE ALL SIGNS OF GOOD
INTENTIONS..BE SERIOUS,,THINK SERIOUS..ACT SERIOUS, BECAUSE WHO KNOW'S
WHOM WILL BE WATCHING & READING? I HAVE MORE OF A CLUE THAN YOU JOE. BYT
THE WAY, I NEVER RECALL YOU HAVING THE EXPERIENCE OF BEING CONSISTENTLY
DEPOED BY SCIENTOLOGY? I DON'T SEE ANY OF YOUR DECLARATIONS SMEAREWD ALL
OVER THE NET? JEALOUS JOE THAT I GET MORE ATTENTION THAN YOU..AND ALL
YOU CAN DO IS SIT, GAG & RANT LIKE YOU GIVE A DAMN WHICH YOU CLEARLY
DON'T, BUT I ENJOY READING YOUR CORNY POSTS ANYWAY, SO KEEP IT UP, OK?
sca...@iag.net
In article <33CFCA...@pacbell.net>,
ACTUALLY, I HOPE THAT I CAN JOIN THE TEAM THAT DOES THIS BUT WHAT I
HAVE IN MIND WOULD PRBABLY GET ME CHARGED FOR FELONIOUS ASSAULT: GIVE
HIM A BATH, A FLEA-DIP, CHOP OFF HIS KNOTTED MANGLE OF HAIR (AND TURN HIM
BACK INTO THE CUTE KID I REMEMBER HUGGING & CHATTING WITH AT JULIE
CHRISTOFFERSONS PARTY).. WE CAN ALWAYS HOPE!
Gregg Hagglund
>Keith Wyatt wrote:
>
>> Martin, what are you trying to prove here? Are you a representative of the
>> Canadian Government? Your not a lawyer so please stop posting silly
>> threats based on rumor and innuendo.
>>
>> Keith
>
>Heck, Keith, it's never stopped you. Besides, you don't have to be a
>lawyer to know that US laws don't apply in Canada (and vice versa).
>Also, MAJOR pet peeve, please don't use "your" in place of "you're."
>
>However, Martin, I think that a kidnapping of a Canadian citizen by
>citizens of the US is not necessarily going to precipitate an
>international incident. I'd imagine that the US would track down the
>kidnappers (if they could be tracked down), extradite them to Canada,
>and let them stand trial there. After all, the crime would have been
>committed in Canada, subject to Canadian laws. What would happen to Mr.
>Armstrong is beyond me. Probably, to avoid unpleasantness with our
>neighbors, he'd be free to go home. IANAL. I'm just guessing.
>
>eric
>SP2
Criminal Acts by members of the Church of Scientology or its agents
commited for the benefit of the ' Church' are, in Canada, deemed to be
a criminal act of the 'Church of Scientology' *in its entirety* in Canada.
Should Mr Armstrong be kidnapped and transported to the US to
spend, what was it, 30 days in Jail or 1000 fine for contempt, the
repercussions on the Co$ in Canada would be devastating.
The Canadian Gov't, unable to prosecute the parent Church
in the US, would hold the subsidiary Church in Canada responsible.
Even if the kidnappers were returned for trial here.
The established precedent would be a fine. $250,000 for Breach of
Trust last time, and a $2,500,000 fine for Libel.
Hmmm. I would hazard that the fine for this kind of act would
be into the 100 million range as punitive. Garry of course,
could go after an equal sum AND be able to do it in more than
one jurisdiction too. He'd likely become obscenely wealthy.
It might take a decade, but I think such an act would wipe out
the Co$ financially in Canada and dent it severely in the US,
plus be the last nail in the coffin for the Co$ in all the Commonwealth
and Europe. It would also be a unique constitutional case in Canada,
dealing with Freedom of Religion and Freedom *from* Religion,
so the best and the brightest Friendly Legal Weasels would be beating
on Garry's door to argue the case. This is because it would be on the
Gov't payroll as are all unique constitutional cases........
Hey, Garry, where did you say you were living?
Gregg SP4
http://www.cgocable.net/~elrond
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serious problems when it comes to being able to communicate."
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Martin Hunt
In article <5qobbv$rbk$2...@nadine.teleport.com>,
Keith Wyatt <kew...@teleport.com> wrote:
>Martin, what are you trying to prove here?
Prove?
>Are you a representative of the Canadian Government?
Fuck the government. I'm a Canadian citizen, concerned about the
threatened abuse of a fellow Canadian citizen by your cult of
Scientology down there. A threat, I point out, you posted.
>Your not a lawyer so please stop posting silly
>threats based on rumor and inuendo.
Er, "your" not a lawyer either, pal, so why don't you FOAD? It's
your threats from your cult against my friend and fellow Canuck,
capiche?
Care to repost your threats? Maybe the local police down there
would be interested in questioning you about them. You saw fit
to contact the police over Rob's post, so the same standard should
be applied to you, right? I think you could end up in hot water
if Gerry Armstrong actually was kidnapped, as you suggested.
It's possible you might be extradited to Canada to face charges.
Wouldn't that be fun? BTW, as I said last time, IANAL, so your
"your not a lawyer" ploy is just a tad obvious. Still, even
though I'm not a lawyer, I feel qualified to comment on a
threatened kidnapping of a fellow citizen. :-)
Let's see, $250,000 against Scientology in fines in Toronto.
Next was $2,500,000 in the Casey Hill libel case, paid in full.
I guess after the Scientology cult kidnaps Gerry we go up again
by another factor of ten, $25,000,000.00 for criminal conspiracy.
Tom Cruise can pay it in spare change and bail out his good buddy
David Miscavige if *he* doesn't want to pay for it out of the
cult's billion-dollar "war chest". For all of Scientology's use
of the law to harass and silence critics, it seems to be backfiring
against them, at least up here. Does that explain why they haven't
launched some frivolous, trumped-up barratrous case against moi?
Joe Harrington
(posted/mailed)
gerry armstrong wrote:
>
> On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:40:18 -0600, sca...@iag.net wrote:
>
> >Word has it that the motions are in place to ferret Mr. Armstrong back to
> >the United State, involuntarily if necessary, to answer to federal
> >charges of elluding U.S.laws.
> >
> >-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
> > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
>
> Garry:
>
> Please state what word you heard, when, where and from whom.
>
> I do not take the threat you have relayed lightly. The cult has
> kidnapped its own members (e.g., Roxanne Friend) and imprisoned others
> (e.g., Lisa McPherson). It isn't a big step to grabbing a real enemy.
> You have testified about your involvement in assassination plots. You
> admit you've recently been meeting with scientologists. Now state the
> facts on which your above threat is based.
>
> Gerry Armstrong
Gerry,
Given Gary's sworn deposition that he was involved in criminal activity
under the auspices of the OSA in the past, and OSA's criminal record in
Canada, and his present close association with agents of OSA, I don't
think it would be imprudent for you to notify the appropiate law
enforcement agencies in Canada of this implied threat. A copy of Gary's
affidavit provided to the appropiate agency would certainly be
appropiate to document this is not some idle threat.
Joe
sca...@iag.net
In article <elrond-1807...@cgowave-7-50.cgocable.net>,
>>>THAT IS, OF COURSE, IF THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY WERE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING GERRY OUT OF CANADA. I NEVER MENTIONED ANYWHERE IN MY POSTS THAT SCIENTOLOGY WAS THE PARTIES PLANNING THIS EFFORT, BUT THEY HAVE CONFIRMED GERRY'S WHEREABOUTS AND ARE WATCHING HIM. I BELIEVE THE JUDGE IN THE CASE WHERE THE JUDICIAL ORDER OF SANCTION OCCURRED HAS ALSO BEEN NOTIFIED OF GERRY'S WHEREABOUTS AND THE CANADIAN AIUTHORITIES WILL NO DOUBT BE ADVISED THAT A FUGITIVE IS IN THEIR MIDSTS.
> --
> " I'm sure it's obvious to all who read my stuff, that I have
> serious problems when it comes to being able to communicate."
> - -RonsAmigo, Official OSA Shill on ARS
>
> $cientology Lawyer Bait: Co$ cures Cancer?:
>
> "Step Four - Cures for Illness You will now find BTs and clusters
> being cures for illnesses of the body part. Handle all such BTs and
> clusters by blowing them off. 'Cures for Illness' will then cease to read."
> --- ררר L.R.Hubbard © ??? ---
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Number 3
>
> Martin, what are you trying to prove here? Are you a representative of the
> Canadian Government? Your not a lawyer so please stop posting silly
> threats based on rumor and innuendo.
what are you trying to prove here? you're obviously less a
lawyer than almost anyone posting here (particularly as concerns
canadian law) so please stop posting silly objections based on
misunderstanding acquired from Freedom magazine and other scientology
sources.
-- see...@ix.netcom.com
Friends of Dennis Erlich (www.netcom.com/~seekon/friends.html)
Gregg Hagglund
I had this little gem forwarded to me via email
>>In article <8693546...@dejanews.com>, sca...@iag.net wrote:
>
>
>>>>>>THAT IS, OF COURSE, IF THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY WERE THE ONES
>RESPONSIBLE >FOR TAKING GERRY OUT OF CANADA. I NEVER MENTIONED ANYWHERE
>IN MY POSTS THAT >SCIENTOLOGY WAS THE PARTIES PLANNING THIS EFFORT, BUT
>THEY HAVE CONFIRMED >GERRY'S WHEREABOUTS AND ARE WATCHING HIM. I BELIEVE
>THE JUDGE IN THE CASE >WHERE THE JUDICIAL ORDER OF SANCTION OCCURRED HAS
>ALSO BEEN NOTIFIED OF >GERRY'S WHEREABOUTS AND THE CANADIAN AIUTHORITIES
>WILL NO DOUBT BE ADVISED >THAT A FUGITIVE IS IN THEIR MIDSTS.
1. Gerry Armstrong is not a fugitive.
2. Canadian Sovreignity is important to us.
3. Threats to a Canadian Citizen, in public, by an admitted agent of the
Co$ drives a spike into the bank accounts of the Co$ in Canada
if Gerry gets snatched.
4. The RCMP and CSIS have been made aware of the situation and are likely
monitoring it. Particularily in light of US recalcitrance in
returning kidnapping
suspects from the last similar incident.
5. Garry, you are as crazy as a loon. Get yourself some help.
Best,
Gregg SP4
http://www.cgocable.net/~elrond
Garry Scarff
gerry armstrong <arms...@ntonline.com> wrote in article
<33d0e754...@news.rapidnet.net>...
> On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:40:18 -0600, sca...@iag.net wrote:
>
> >Word has it that the motions are in place to ferret Mr. Armstrong back
to
> >the United State, involuntarily if necessary, to answer to federal
> >charges of elluding U.S.laws.
> >
> >-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
> > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
>
> Garry:
>
> Please state what word you heard, when, where and from whom.
>
> I do not take the threat you have relayed lightly. The cult has
> kidnapped its own members (e.g., Roxanne Friend) and imprisoned others
> (e.g., Lisa McPherson). It isn't a big step to grabbing a real enemy.
> You have testified about your involvement in assassination plots. You
> admit you've recently been meeting with scientologists. Now state the
> facts on which your above threat is based.
>
> Gerry Armstrong
>
NO.
Michael Voytinsky
Eric Rapp <eric...@pacbell.net> wrote in article
<33CFCA...@pacbell.net>...
> However, Martin, I think that a kidnapping of a Canadian citizen by
> citizens of the US is not necessarily going to precipitate an
> international incident. I'd imagine that the US would track down the
> kidnappers (if they could be tracked down), extradite them to Canada,
> and let them stand trial there.
Pretty much this sort of thing happened in mid 1980s. A Canadian real
estate developer did some serious fraud in the US, got indicted, and jumped
bail, going back to Canada. A couple of US bounty hunters kidnapped him
and took him back to, I think, Florida. This precipitated some nasty
protests by Canada's Department of External Affairs to the State
Department, the guy was returned to Canada, and the two bounty hunters were
extradited to Canada to stand trial on kidnapping charges and subsequently
had to spend a few years in a Canadian pen.
The funny part is that the fools kidnapped the guy while there were
proceedings going on to extradite him to the US. But in view of his
illegal kidnapping, the extradition proceedings had to be dropped, and I
imagine he is still living it up in Canada.
Cheers
--
Michael Voytinsky
mich...@igs.net
Ottawa Ontario Canada
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Tilman Hausherr
In <01bc9467$09a54660$5711f8ce@default>, "Michael Voytinsky"
<SPAMBLOCK...@igs.net> wrote:
>Pretty much this sort of thing happened in mid 1980s. A Canadian real
>estate developer did some serious fraud in the US, got indicted, and jumped
>bail, going back to Canada. A couple of US bounty hunters kidnapped him
>and took him back to, I think, Florida.
Yes this is "american style". A few years ago (~ 1990) the CIA kidnapped
a german citizen who had previously a US soldier and had defected to
east germany. The CIA could have gotten him legally if they had waited a
few months more. The germans were angry but didn't protest publicly.
Heidrun Beer
[POSTED/MAILED]
On 19 Jul 1997 23:00:40 GMT, "Garry Scarff" <Sca...@iag.net> wrote:
>gerry armstrong <arms...@ntonline.com> wrote in article
><33d0e754...@news.rapidnet.net>...
>> Garry:
>>
>> Please state what word you heard, when, where and from whom.
>>
>> I do not take the threat you have relayed lightly. The cult has
>> kidnapped its own members (e.g., Roxanne Friend) and imprisoned others
>> (e.g., Lisa McPherson). It isn't a big step to grabbing a real enemy.
>> You have testified about your involvement in assassination plots. You
>> admit you've recently been meeting with scientologists. Now state the
>> facts on which your above threat is based.
>>
>> Gerry Armstrong
>>
>
> NO.
Garry, I'm not very certain about the quality of my news-
server (I seem to miss some posts every now and then).
I didn't see a reply of yours, so I'll repeat my question:
WHY?
Heidrun Beer (clear baby)
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