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Mike Schwitzgebel
Sep 17, 2002, 2:35:03 PM9/17/02
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My grandfather was fond of using odd-sounding words and phrases that we, his
grandchildren, have tended to assume were made up to fill some momentary
lack in his English vocabulary. Some of these included "imitistically
speaking, and in an offhand manner", "rodamontating", and "copperosity".
When I decided to incorporate the last of these into a domain name, I
included on the associated web site my theory of where Granddad might have
come up with such a word, only to receive a half a dozen e-mails from people
whose fathers and grandfathers had also used the word. Since then, I have
tried, without success, to find a reference to "copperosity" in as many hard
copy and online dictionaries as I could readily access.
grandchildren, have tended to assume were made up to fill some momentary
lack in his English vocabulary. Some of these included "imitistically
speaking, and in an offhand manner", "rodamontating", and "copperosity".
When I decided to incorporate the last of these into a domain name, I
included on the associated web site my theory of where Granddad might have
come up with such a word, only to receive a half a dozen e-mails from people
whose fathers and grandfathers had also used the word. Since then, I have
tried, without success, to find a reference to "copperosity" in as many hard
copy and online dictionaries as I could readily access.
And now I pose the question to you all, in the hope that someone besides me
will find it intriguing.
As near as I've been able to tell, "copperosity" seems to have been in most
active use during the mid-to-late 19th century and early 20th. The word
seems to have been used in the context of physical health, as in, "Eat your
green beans; they're good for your copperosity" or "How's your copperosity
sagaciating, this morning?" All of the people who have told me that they
remember family members using the word live in the United States; however,
one gentleman remarked that his father used to used the word rather formally
to when addressing his wife, upon his return from work. He said that the
family background was "strictly English from way back, therefore fully
starched in speech, manners, posture, etc."
I have found only one more or less non-anecdotal reference, in a newspaper
column written by Kent Biffle for The Dallas Morning News. In the piece,
Biffle sets off on a tongue-in-cheek fit of pique over Nicholas Doran P.
Maillard's 1842 book, _The History of the Republic of Texas, From the
Discovery of the Country to the Present Time; And the Cause of Her
Separation from the Republic of Mexico_. In this book (according to
Biffle), Maillard observes that one common greeting, among Texans, is "How
does your copperosity sagaciate this morning?"(1)
So. My origin hypothesis is that, in the 19th century, some aspects of
health were associated with the concentration of copper in the blood--true,
of course--and that inquiring after one's "copperosity" was a colloquial way
of asking how he was feeling. That's only conjecture, however, and I'd like
to learn the historical origin, if one of you knows it. And, if someone
could suggest good sources for information on *other* such words, that would
be even better!
Mike
--
To reply via email, remove the TUMOR from my address.
1. Biffle, Kent. "Brit's take on state of republic." The Dallas Morning
News. 2 June, 2002.
John Dean
Sep 17, 2002, 5:30:46 PM9/17/02
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Mike Schwitzgebel wrote:
> My grandfather was fond of using odd-sounding words and phrases that
> we, his grandchildren, have tended to assume were made up to fill
> some momentary lack in his English vocabulary. Some of these
> included "imitistically speaking, and in an offhand manner",
> "rodamontating", and "copperosity".
> My grandfather was fond of using odd-sounding words and phrases that
> we, his grandchildren, have tended to assume were made up to fill
> some momentary lack in his English vocabulary. Some of these
> included "imitistically speaking, and in an offhand manner",
> "rodamontating", and "copperosity".
>In this
> book (according to Biffle), Maillard observes that one common
> greeting, among Texans, is "How does your copperosity sagaciate this
> morning?"(1)
>
> So. My origin hypothesis is that, in the 19th century, some aspects
> of health were associated with the concentration of copper in the
> blood--true, of course--and that inquiring after one's "copperosity"
> was a colloquial way of asking how he was feeling. That's only
> conjecture, however, and I'd like to learn the historical origin, if
> one of you knows it.
OED has a cite for 'sagaciate' ('jocular comb of sagacious + ate):-
1832 Boston Transcript 2 Aug. 2/3 Well, Clem, how do you sagatiate dis lubly
wedder? 1842 Literary Gaz. 1 Jan. 6/3 How does your copperosity sagaciate
this morning? 1880 J. C. Harris Uncle Remus ii. 24 ‘How duz yo' sym'tums
seem ter segashuate?’ sez Brer Rabbit, sezee
and it has 'corporosity' ''= Bulkiness of body. Also used in a humorous
title or greeting (see quot. 1950).
1837 J. C. Neal Charcoal Sketches (Farmer), His corporosity touches the
ground with his hands in a vain attempt to reach it. 1870 O. Logan Before
Footlights 174 A gentleman endowed with an ample corporosity. 1890 Jrnl.
Amer. Folk-Lore III. 64 How does your corporosity sagatiate? 1922 Joyce
Ulysses 418 Your corporosity sagaciating O K? 1950 Publ. Amer. Dial. Soc.
XIV. 59 ‘How is your corporosity segaciating?’ meaning, how is your health?
''
So it seems to do with bodily bulk (cf Brit Eng 'corporation' - the body or
abdomen)
'rodomontating' is clearly from rodomontade / rhodomontade - boasting or
bragging. From Rodomont, a character in orlando Furioso
>And, if someone could suggest good sources for
> information on *other* such words, that would be even better!
Well, OED CD-ROM provided me with all the above. Of course, you could always
post queries here - it's the kind of thing we're interested in.!
Plus some of us are Grandfathers & welcome any hints that enable us to add
to our seeming eccentricity.
--
John Dean
Oxford
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Mike Schwitzgebel
Sep 18, 2002, 8:32:00 AM9/18/02
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"John Dean" <john...@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
> and it has 'corporosity' ''= Bulkiness of body. Also used in a humorous
> title or greeting (see quot. 1950).
> 1837 J. C. Neal Charcoal Sketches (Farmer), His corporosity touches the
> ground with his hands in a vain attempt to reach it. 1870 O. Logan Before
> Footlights 174 A gentleman endowed with an ample corporosity. 1890 Jrnl.
> Amer. Folk-Lore III. 64 How does your corporosity sagatiate? 1922 Joyce
> Ulysses 418 Your corporosity sagaciating O K? 1950 Publ. Amer. Dial. Soc.
> XIV. 59 ‘How is your corporosity segaciating?’ meaning, how is your
health?
> ''
>
> So it seems to do with bodily bulk (cf Brit Eng 'corporation' - the body
or
> abdomen)
Thanks very much, John. That sounds definitive, to me. It also makes me
think that I might want to reconsider my pinchpenny ways and spring for
either the online or CD version of OED (I somehow suspect that the print
version would be in rather in the way, in my usual reading room).
> 'rodomontating' is clearly from rodomontade / rhodomontade - boasting or
> bragging. From Rodomont, a character in orlando Furioso
I had this one figured correctly, at least. Thanks, Dictionary.com!
> Well, OED CD-ROM provided me with all the above. Of course, you could
always
> post queries here - it's the kind of thing we're interested in.!
One likes to pick one's battles, however. Thanks again for the information.
Mike
Mike Lyle
Sep 18, 2002, 3:34:32 PM9/18/02
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"Mike Schwitzgebel" <tempn...@copperTUMORosity.com> wrote in message news:<DCA2CACDD5AEEFE3.3B0D0BDB...@lp.airnews.net>...
> "John Dean" <john...@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
[...]
>
> > 'rodomontating' is clearly from rodomontade / rhodomontade - boasting or
> > bragging. From Rodomont, a character in orlando Furioso
[...]
And, boy, isn't it a beaut? I hope it spreads like wildfire.
> "John Dean" <john...@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
[...]
>
> > 'rodomontating' is clearly from rodomontade / rhodomontade - boasting or
> > bragging. From Rodomont, a character in orlando Furioso
And, boy, isn't it a beaut? I hope it spreads like wildfire.
Mike.
isb...@gmail.com
Oct 8, 2013, 2:32:16 AM10/8/13
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My mother, born in 1929 in Texas and raised in Oklahoma use to say copperosity all the time. She used it to refer to your rear-end ... but always with a twinkle in her Irish eyes.
Mark Brader
Oct 8, 2013, 4:09:11 AM10/8/13
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because the root "corp-" means "body"); perhaps this "copperosity"
is a variation both of the word form and of the body part indicated.
--
Mark Brader ...the scariest words of the afternoon:
Toronto "Hey, don't worry, I've read all about
m...@vex.net doing this sort of thing!" -- Vernor Vinge
CDB
Oct 8, 2013, 7:30:22 AM10/8/13
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On 08/10/2013 4:09 AM, Mark Brader wrote:
> I.S.B. Hall, apparently, writes:
>> My mother, born in 1929 in Texas and raised in Oklahoma use to say
>> copperosity all the time. She used it to refer to your rear-end ...
>> but always with a twinkle in her Irish eyes.
> Well, "corporation" can be a jocular word for a potbelly (I suppose
> because the root "corp-" means "body"); perhaps this "copperosity"
> is a variation both of the word form and of the body part indicated.
The question was raised here a bit over ten years ago, WYBI*, and
> I.S.B. Hall, apparently, writes:
>> My mother, born in 1929 in Texas and raised in Oklahoma use to say
>> copperosity all the time. She used it to refer to your rear-end ...
>> but always with a twinkle in her Irish eyes.
> Well, "corporation" can be a jocular word for a potbelly (I suppose
> because the root "corp-" means "body"); perhaps this "copperosity"
> is a variation both of the word form and of the body part indicated.
answered to the satisfaction of that OP by John Dean. "Corporosity", or
"bulkiness of body", more or less as you thought.
*Well, would you?
http://home.copperosity.com/copperosity.htm
Brian Austin
Oct 8, 2013, 1:01:43 PM10/8/13
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A Web search confirms that 'corporosity' was Southern U.S. slang for
'body' back in the day. A quote I found:
�Steve, how does your corporosity seem to segashuate?�
�Fine as split silk,� promptly returned Steve.
The quote is from
http://deadconfederates.com/2011/11/11/everyone-laughs-both-at-and-with-steve/
(Steve Perry, better known now as �Uncle� Steve Eberhart, was
something of a minor celebrity at Confederate reunions in the early
1920s. He attended numerous reunions over the course of 20 years or
so, where he appeared in a tall, feathered stovepipe hat, carrying
live hens and a brightly-colored sash embroidered �ROME, GA,� and tiny
U.S. and Confederate flags pinned to his shoulder boards.)
The word also shows up in a book titled 'Some peculiarities of speech
in Mississippi':
http://www.archive.org/stream/somepeculiariti00shangoog/somepeculiariti00shangoog_djvu.txt
Here's the quote:
'Segashuate (sSg*aeJyu�t). This word is used by negroes in the
sentence : " How does your corporosity seem to sagashuate ? "
and is a common way of inquiring after anybody's health.
Corporosity seems to refer to bodily condition, and I suppose
is connected with the Latin coipus. Sagashuate, as far as I
know, is not used outside of this or similar expressions, and
here it would seem to mean to thrive or prosper.'
In Walt Kelly's marvelous comic strip "Pogo Possum' the characters
would sometimes greet each other in this way...
- Brian
PS. My spell checker recognizes both spellings of the verb!
'body' back in the day. A quote I found:
�Steve, how does your corporosity seem to segashuate?�
�Fine as split silk,� promptly returned Steve.
The quote is from
http://deadconfederates.com/2011/11/11/everyone-laughs-both-at-and-with-steve/
(Steve Perry, better known now as �Uncle� Steve Eberhart, was
something of a minor celebrity at Confederate reunions in the early
1920s. He attended numerous reunions over the course of 20 years or
so, where he appeared in a tall, feathered stovepipe hat, carrying
live hens and a brightly-colored sash embroidered �ROME, GA,� and tiny
U.S. and Confederate flags pinned to his shoulder boards.)
The word also shows up in a book titled 'Some peculiarities of speech
in Mississippi':
http://www.archive.org/stream/somepeculiariti00shangoog/somepeculiariti00shangoog_djvu.txt
Here's the quote:
'Segashuate (sSg*aeJyu�t). This word is used by negroes in the
sentence : " How does your corporosity seem to sagashuate ? "
and is a common way of inquiring after anybody's health.
Corporosity seems to refer to bodily condition, and I suppose
is connected with the Latin coipus. Sagashuate, as far as I
know, is not used outside of this or similar expressions, and
here it would seem to mean to thrive or prosper.'
In Walt Kelly's marvelous comic strip "Pogo Possum' the characters
would sometimes greet each other in this way...
- Brian
PS. My spell checker recognizes both spellings of the verb!
CDB
Oct 8, 2013, 1:50:52 PM10/8/13
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On 08/10/2013 1:01 PM, Brian Austin wrote:
> �Fine as split silk,� promptly returned Steve.
> The quote is from
>
http://deadconfederates.com/2011/11/11/everyone-laughs-both-at-and-with-steve/
> (Steve Perry, better known now as �Uncle� Steve Eberhart, was
a strongly-preferred local custom, sometimes savagely enforced (we pout
and answer in riddles. Oh, wait ...).
I should think "sagashuate" is a verb formed from "sagacious", which
seems to have meant "good" as well as "wise" in C19 and not to have been
used much since. The Dog Crusoe was called "sagacious" by his master in
one of the two RM Ballantyne adventures I was able to get hold of as a
child. A Lab; what did he expect?
> CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mark Brader wrote:
>>> I.S.B. Hall, apparently, writes:
>>>> My mother, born in 1929 in Texas and raised in Oklahoma use to say
>>>> copperosity all the time. She used it to refer to your rear-end ...
>>>> but always with a twinkle in her Irish eyes.
>>> Well, "corporation" can be a jocular word for a potbelly (I suppose
>>> because the root "corp-" means "body"); perhaps this "copperosity"
>>> is a variation both of the word form and of the body part indicated.
>> The question was raised here a bit over ten years ago, WYBI*, and
>> answered to the satisfaction of that OP by John Dean. "Corporosity", or
>> "bulkiness of body", more or less as you thought.
>> *Well, would you?
>> http://home.copperosity.com/copperosity.htm
>> Mark Brader wrote:
>>> I.S.B. Hall, apparently, writes:
>>>> My mother, born in 1929 in Texas and raised in Oklahoma use to say
>>>> copperosity all the time. She used it to refer to your rear-end ...
>>>> but always with a twinkle in her Irish eyes.
>>> Well, "corporation" can be a jocular word for a potbelly (I suppose
>>> because the root "corp-" means "body"); perhaps this "copperosity"
>>> is a variation both of the word form and of the body part indicated.
>> The question was raised here a bit over ten years ago, WYBI*, and
>> answered to the satisfaction of that OP by John Dean. "Corporosity", or
>> "bulkiness of body", more or less as you thought.
>> *Well, would you?
>> http://home.copperosity.com/copperosity.htm
> A Web search confirms that 'corporosity' was Southern U.S. slang for
> 'body' back in the day. A quote I found:
> �Steve, how does your corporosity seem to segashuate?�
> 'body' back in the day. A quote I found:
> �Fine as split silk,� promptly returned Steve.
> The quote is from
>
http://deadconfederates.com/2011/11/11/everyone-laughs-both-at-and-with-steve/
> something of a minor celebrity at Confederate reunions in the early
> 1920s. He attended numerous reunions over the course of 20 years or
> so, where he appeared in a tall, feathered stovepipe hat, carrying
> live hens and a brightly-colored sash embroidered �ROME, GA,� and tiny
> 1920s. He attended numerous reunions over the course of 20 years or
> so, where he appeared in a tall, feathered stovepipe hat, carrying
> U.S. and Confederate flags pinned to his shoulder boards.)
> The word also shows up in a book titled 'Some peculiarities of speech
> in Mississippi':
>
http://www.archive.org/stream/somepeculiariti00shangoog/somepeculiariti00shangoog_djvu.txt
> Here's the quote:
> 'Segashuate (sSg*aeJyu�t). This word is used by negroes in the
> The word also shows up in a book titled 'Some peculiarities of speech
> in Mississippi':
>
http://www.archive.org/stream/somepeculiariti00shangoog/somepeculiariti00shangoog_djvu.txt
> Here's the quote:
> sentence : " How does your corporosity seem to sagashuate ? "
> and is a common way of inquiring after anybody's health.
> Corporosity seems to refer to bodily condition, and I suppose
> is connected with the Latin coipus. Sagashuate, as far as I
> know, is not used outside of this or similar expressions, and
> here it would seem to mean to thrive or prosper.'
> In Walt Kelly's marvelous comic strip "Pogo Possum' the characters
> would sometimes greet each other in this way...
> and is a common way of inquiring after anybody's health.
> Corporosity seems to refer to bodily condition, and I suppose
> is connected with the Latin coipus. Sagashuate, as far as I
> know, is not used outside of this or similar expressions, and
> here it would seem to mean to thrive or prosper.'
> In Walt Kelly's marvelous comic strip "Pogo Possum' the characters
> would sometimes greet each other in this way...
> PS. My spell checker recognizes both spellings of the verb!
I have moved your message to the bottom of the page. Bottom-posting is
a strongly-preferred local custom, sometimes savagely enforced (we pout
and answer in riddles. Oh, wait ...).
I should think "sagashuate" is a verb formed from "sagacious", which
seems to have meant "good" as well as "wise" in C19 and not to have been
used much since. The Dog Crusoe was called "sagacious" by his master in
one of the two RM Ballantyne adventures I was able to get hold of as a
child. A Lab; what did he expect?
Dr Nick
Oct 8, 2013, 4:10:13 PM10/8/13
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to the old "copper bottom" for "Nicholas" joke.
Nick Spalding
Oct 8, 2013, 4:31:50 PM10/8/13
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Dr Nick wrote, in <878uy3y...@temporary-address.org.uk>
on Tue, 08 Oct 2013 21:10:13 +0100:
That what was what my prep school headmaster used to call me.
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
on Tue, 08 Oct 2013 21:10:13 +0100:
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
CDB
Oct 8, 2013, 11:45:54 PM10/8/13
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Dr Nick
Oct 9, 2013, 2:23:33 AM10/9/13
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between the vowel at the end of "Nicholas" and the one in a non-rhotic
"arse".
Mike L
Oct 9, 2013, 6:23:38 PM10/9/13
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in the Anct History lesson in which Nikias and Brassas were
introduced.
--
Mike.
Peter Moylan
Oct 11, 2013, 8:08:15 AM10/11/13
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On 10/10/13 09:23, Mike L wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 07:23:33 +0100, Dr Nick
> <nosp...@temporary-address.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> CDB <belle...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 08/10/2013 4:10 PM, Dr Nick wrote:
>>>> CDB <belle...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>> On 08/10/2013 4:09 AM, Mark Brader wrote:
>>>>>> I.S.B. Hall, apparently, writes:
>>>
>>>>>>> My mother, born in 1929 in Texas and raised in Oklahoma use to say
>>>>>>> copperosity all the time. She used it to refer to your rear-end ...
>>>>>>> but always with a twinkle in her Irish eyes.
>>>
>>>>>> Well, "corporation" can be a jocular word for a potbelly (I suppose
>>>>>> because the root "corp-" means "body"); perhaps this "copperosity"
>>>>>> is a variation both of the word form and of the body part indicated.
>>>
>>>>> The question was raised here a bit over ten years ago, WYBI*, and
>>>>> answered to the satisfaction of that OP by John Dean. "Corporosity",
>>>>> or "bulkiness of body", more or less as you thought.
>>>
>>>>> *Well, would you?
>>>
>>>>> http://home.copperosity.com/copperosity.htm
>>>
>>>> Although I can't help wondering, given the use to refer to the rear-end
>>>> to the old "copper bottom" for "Nicholas" joke.
>>>
>>> Took me a minute. You non-rhotics!
It took me a minute too, for a different reason. There used to be a TV
> On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 07:23:33 +0100, Dr Nick
> <nosp...@temporary-address.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> CDB <belle...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 08/10/2013 4:10 PM, Dr Nick wrote:
>>>> CDB <belle...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>> On 08/10/2013 4:09 AM, Mark Brader wrote:
>>>>>> I.S.B. Hall, apparently, writes:
>>>
>>>>>>> My mother, born in 1929 in Texas and raised in Oklahoma use to say
>>>>>>> copperosity all the time. She used it to refer to your rear-end ...
>>>>>>> but always with a twinkle in her Irish eyes.
>>>
>>>>>> Well, "corporation" can be a jocular word for a potbelly (I suppose
>>>>>> because the root "corp-" means "body"); perhaps this "copperosity"
>>>>>> is a variation both of the word form and of the body part indicated.
>>>
>>>>> The question was raised here a bit over ten years ago, WYBI*, and
>>>>> answered to the satisfaction of that OP by John Dean. "Corporosity",
>>>>> or "bulkiness of body", more or less as you thought.
>>>
>>>>> *Well, would you?
>>>
>>>>> http://home.copperosity.com/copperosity.htm
>>>
>>>> Although I can't help wondering, given the use to refer to the rear-end
>>>> to the old "copper bottom" for "Nicholas" joke.
>>>
>>> Took me a minute. You non-rhotics!
show called The Nicholas Parsons Show. Subsequently someone came up with
another TV show, almost certainly playing on the title of the first one,
called The Naked Vicar Show.
>> It doesn't even really work then - there's very little similarity
>> between the vowel at the end of "Nicholas" and the one in a non-rhotic
>> "arse".
>
> There was also a version "Brass-arse", which brought a snigger or two
> in the Anct History lesson in which Nikias and Brassas were
> introduced.
Islanders) were mentioned.
--
Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org
For an e-mail address, see my web page.
Dr Nick
Oct 11, 2013, 4:12:20 PM10/11/13
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Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> writes:
> It took me a minute too, for a different reason. There used to be a TV
> show called The Nicholas Parsons Show. Subsequently someone came up with
> another TV show, almost certainly playing on the title of the first one,
> called The Naked Vicar Show.
"And now, a lady who like Nicholas Parsons; and a parson who likes
> It took me a minute too, for a different reason. There used to be a TV
> show called The Nicholas Parsons Show. Subsequently someone came up with
> another TV show, almost certainly playing on the title of the first one,
> called The Naked Vicar Show.
knickerless ladies". The Two Ronnies, obviously.
R H Draney
Oct 11, 2013, 6:23:08 PM10/11/13
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Dr Nick filted:
Was that the programme that kept confusing Flushing Meadows with WC Fields?...r
--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.
--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.
Jerry Friedman
Oct 11, 2013, 6:37:12 PM10/11/13
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On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:50:52 AM UTC-6, CDB wrote:
> On 08/10/2013 1:01 PM, Brian Austin wrote:
> > CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Mark Brader wrote:
> >>> I.S.B. Hall, apparently, writes:
>
> >>>> My mother, born in 1929 in Texas and raised in Oklahoma use to say
> >>>> copperosity all the time. She used it to refer to your rear-end ...
> >>>> but always with a twinkle in her Irish eyes.
>
> >>> Well, "corporation" can be a jocular word for a potbelly (I suppose
> >>> because the root "corp-" means "body"); perhaps this "copperosity"
> >>> is a variation both of the word form and of the body part indicated.
>
> >> The question was raised here a bit over ten years ago, WYBI*, and
> >> answered to the satisfaction of that OP by John Dean. "Corporosity", or
> >> "bulkiness of body", more or less as you thought.
>
> >> *Well, would you?
>
> >> http://home.copperosity.com/copperosity.htm
>
> > A Web search confirms that 'corporosity' was Southern U.S. slang for
> > 'body' back in the day. A quote I found:
>
> > �Steve, how does your corporosity seem to segashuate?�
...
> On 08/10/2013 1:01 PM, Brian Austin wrote:
> > CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Mark Brader wrote:
> >>> I.S.B. Hall, apparently, writes:
>
> >>>> My mother, born in 1929 in Texas and raised in Oklahoma use to say
> >>>> copperosity all the time. She used it to refer to your rear-end ...
> >>>> but always with a twinkle in her Irish eyes.
>
> >>> Well, "corporation" can be a jocular word for a potbelly (I suppose
> >>> because the root "corp-" means "body"); perhaps this "copperosity"
> >>> is a variation both of the word form and of the body part indicated.
>
> >> The question was raised here a bit over ten years ago, WYBI*, and
> >> answered to the satisfaction of that OP by John Dean. "Corporosity", or
> >> "bulkiness of body", more or less as you thought.
>
> >> *Well, would you?
>
> >> http://home.copperosity.com/copperosity.htm
>
> > A Web search confirms that 'corporosity' was Southern U.S. slang for
> > 'body' back in the day. A quote I found:
>
> > �Steve, how does your corporosity seem to segashuate?�
> > The quote is from
>
> http://deadconfederates.com/2011/11/11/everyone-laughs-both-at-and-with-steve/
>
> > The word also shows up in a book titled 'Some peculiarities of speech
> > in Mississippi':
>
> http://www.archive.org/stream/somepeculiariti00shangoog/somepeculiariti00shangoog_djvu.txt
>
> > Here's the quote:
>
> > 'Segashuate (sSg*aeJyu�t). This word is used by negroes in the
> > sentence : " How does your corporosity seem to sagashuate ? "
> > and is a common way of inquiring after anybody's health.
>
> > Corporosity seems to refer to bodily condition, and I suppose
> > is connected with the Latin coipus. Sagashuate, as far as I
> > know, is not used outside of this or similar expressions, and
> > here it would seem to mean to thrive or prosper.'
>
> > In Walt Kelly's marvelous comic strip "Pogo Possum' the characters
> > would sometimes greet each other in this way...
>
> > PS. My spell checker recognizes both spellings of the verb!
...
> > in Mississippi':
>
> http://www.archive.org/stream/somepeculiariti00shangoog/somepeculiariti00shangoog_djvu.txt
>
> > Here's the quote:
>
> > 'Segashuate (sSg*aeJyu�t). This word is used by negroes in the
> > sentence : " How does your corporosity seem to sagashuate ? "
> > and is a common way of inquiring after anybody's health.
>
> > Corporosity seems to refer to bodily condition, and I suppose
> > is connected with the Latin coipus. Sagashuate, as far as I
> > know, is not used outside of this or similar expressions, and
> > here it would seem to mean to thrive or prosper.'
>
> > In Walt Kelly's marvelous comic strip "Pogo Possum' the characters
> > would sometimes greet each other in this way...
>
> > PS. My spell checker recognizes both spellings of the verb!
> I should think "sagashuate" is a verb formed from "sagacious", which
> seems to have meant "good" as well as "wise" in C19 and not to have been
> used much since. The Dog Crusoe was called "sagacious" by his master in
> one of the two RM Ballantyne adventures I was able to get hold of as a
> child. A Lab; what did he expect?
up on his behime legs like he wuz 'stonished. De Tar Baby, she sot dar,
she did, en Brer Fox, he lay low.
"'Mawnin'!' sez Brer Rabbit, sezee - 'nice wedder dis mawnin',' sezee.
"Tar-Baby ain't sayin' nuthin', en Brer Fox he lay low.
"'How duz yo' sym'tums seem ter segashuate?' sez Brer Rabbit, sezee.
"Brer Fox, he wink his eye slow, en lay low, en de Tar-Baby, she ain't
sayin' nuthin'.
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ug97/remus/tar-baby.html
--
Jerry Friedman
Robin Bignall
Oct 11, 2013, 7:34:50 PM10/11/13
to
celebrated his 90th birthday this week, and over 60 years in showbiz.
I wonder if that's getting on for a record.
--
Robin Bignall
Herts, England (BrE)
Richard Yates
Oct 11, 2013, 10:20:36 PM10/11/13
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1910 to 1996.
Mack A. Damia
Oct 11, 2013, 10:45:36 PM10/11/13
to
--
R H Draney
Oct 12, 2013, 2:56:54 AM10/12/13
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Richard Yates filted:
But retired for a number of years after Gracie's death before returning to the
business for "The Sunshine Boys"....
We had a form of this question some years ago on alt.movies.silent...I asked, in
reference to Lillian Gish, whether anyone had a longer movie career (Miss Gish's
ran from 1912's "An Unseen Enemy" to 1987's "The Whales of August" with at least
a few film appearances in each decade between)...75 years looked to be the
record until David Totheroh, a member of the group, reminded us that his father
Jack (son of Rollie Totheroh, one of Chaplin's favorite cinematographers) had
played the title role in the 1915 Broncho Billy Anderson western "The Bachelor's
Baby", and had a bit part as a cameraman in 1992's "Chaplin"....
Jack Totheroh, however, didn't appear in any movies between 1922 and 1992....r
business for "The Sunshine Boys"....
We had a form of this question some years ago on alt.movies.silent...I asked, in
reference to Lillian Gish, whether anyone had a longer movie career (Miss Gish's
ran from 1912's "An Unseen Enemy" to 1987's "The Whales of August" with at least
a few film appearances in each decade between)...75 years looked to be the
record until David Totheroh, a member of the group, reminded us that his father
Jack (son of Rollie Totheroh, one of Chaplin's favorite cinematographers) had
played the title role in the 1915 Broncho Billy Anderson western "The Bachelor's
Baby", and had a bit part as a cameraman in 1992's "Chaplin"....
Jack Totheroh, however, didn't appear in any movies between 1922 and 1992....r
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Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Oct 12, 2013, 7:14:05 AM10/12/13
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Perhaps having a wife aged 53 helps to keep him frisky.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Forsyth
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
CDB
Oct 12, 2013, 7:48:09 AM10/12/13
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On 11/10/2013 6:37 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
[sagashuating the copperosities]
> Brer Rabbit come prancin' 'long twel he spy de Tar-Baby, en den he fotch
> up on his behime legs like he wuz 'stonished. De Tar Baby, she sot dar,
> she did, en Brer Fox, he lay low.
> "'Mawnin'!' sez Brer Rabbit, sezee - 'nice wedder dis mawnin',' sezee.
> "Tar-Baby ain't sayin' nuthin', en Brer Fox he lay low.
> "'How duz yo' sym'tums seem ter segashuate?' sez Brer Rabbit, sezee.
> "Brer Fox, he wink his eye slow, en lay low, en de Tar-Baby, she ain't
> sayin' nuthin'.
> http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ug97/remus/tar-baby.html
I like it because it has a storyteller's rhythm and poetry that make use
of the (artificial) dialect's non-standard features, but I can see how a
Black person might get the same feeling from it that Art Linklater used
to give me in broadcasts of _Kids Say the Darndest Things_ when I was a
kid. Too damned amusing, we were.
[sagashuating the copperosities]
> Brer Rabbit come prancin' 'long twel he spy de Tar-Baby, en den he fotch
> up on his behime legs like he wuz 'stonished. De Tar Baby, she sot dar,
> she did, en Brer Fox, he lay low.
> "'Mawnin'!' sez Brer Rabbit, sezee - 'nice wedder dis mawnin',' sezee.
> "Tar-Baby ain't sayin' nuthin', en Brer Fox he lay low.
> "'How duz yo' sym'tums seem ter segashuate?' sez Brer Rabbit, sezee.
> "Brer Fox, he wink his eye slow, en lay low, en de Tar-Baby, she ain't
> sayin' nuthin'.
> http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ug97/remus/tar-baby.html
of the (artificial) dialect's non-standard features, but I can see how a
Black person might get the same feeling from it that Art Linklater used
to give me in broadcasts of _Kids Say the Darndest Things_ when I was a
kid. Too damned amusing, we were.
Robin Bignall
Oct 12, 2013, 11:28:35 AM10/12/13
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Gracie Allen.
Mack A. Damia
Oct 12, 2013, 12:11:39 PM10/12/13
to
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:28:35 +0100, Robin Bignall
her, "Googie", and she called him, "Natty". His original name was
Nathan Birnbaum.
Very popular TV show and ahead of its time. He had his own "den",
where he watched the action of his wife and others on TV in a comedic
episode, and he's talk to the audience. He'd comment on what was
going on, but Gracie always got the better of him in the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CoYC1QhjgI
Her reasoning was obtusely humorous - but it usually made sense. When
a guest said he was from a town in Illinois, she said (living in
California), "I'm glad I didn't live there!". The guest asked why,
and she replied, "It would be so far to walk to school." The
announcer, Harry von Zell, became befuddled by her answers on numerous
occasions.
Here's a show. Many more on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QO_StXExqU
--
<docr...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 12:14:05 +0100, "Peter Duncanson [BrE]"
><ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 00:34:50 +0100, Robin Bignall
>><docr...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 11 Oct 2013 15:23:08 -0700, R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dr Nick filted:
>>>>>
>>>>>Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It took me a minute too, for a different reason. There used to be a TV
>>>>>> show called The Nicholas Parsons Show. Subsequently someone came up with
>>>>>> another TV show, almost certainly playing on the title of the first one,
>>>>>> called The Naked Vicar Show.
>>>>>
>>>>>"And now, a lady who like Nicholas Parsons; and a parson who likes
>>>>>knickerless ladies". The Two Ronnies, obviously.
>>>>
>>>>Was that the programme that kept confusing Flushing Meadows with WC Fields?...r
>>>
>>>Parsons, who his showbiz friends are always taking the piss out of,
>>>celebrated his 90th birthday this week, and over 60 years in showbiz.
>>>I wonder if that's getting on for a record.
>>
>>Bruce Forsyth is only 85 but he has been in showbiz for 74 years.
>>Perhaps having a wife aged 53 helps to keep him frisky.
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Forsyth
>
>I'm impressed with these numbers, but have never seen George Burns or
>Gracie Allen.
One of the great love affairs in entertainment history. He called
>On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 12:14:05 +0100, "Peter Duncanson [BrE]"
><ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 00:34:50 +0100, Robin Bignall
>><docr...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 11 Oct 2013 15:23:08 -0700, R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dr Nick filted:
>>>>>
>>>>>Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It took me a minute too, for a different reason. There used to be a TV
>>>>>> show called The Nicholas Parsons Show. Subsequently someone came up with
>>>>>> another TV show, almost certainly playing on the title of the first one,
>>>>>> called The Naked Vicar Show.
>>>>>
>>>>>"And now, a lady who like Nicholas Parsons; and a parson who likes
>>>>>knickerless ladies". The Two Ronnies, obviously.
>>>>
>>>>Was that the programme that kept confusing Flushing Meadows with WC Fields?...r
>>>
>>>Parsons, who his showbiz friends are always taking the piss out of,
>>>celebrated his 90th birthday this week, and over 60 years in showbiz.
>>>I wonder if that's getting on for a record.
>>
>>Bruce Forsyth is only 85 but he has been in showbiz for 74 years.
>>Perhaps having a wife aged 53 helps to keep him frisky.
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Forsyth
>
>I'm impressed with these numbers, but have never seen George Burns or
>Gracie Allen.
her, "Googie", and she called him, "Natty". His original name was
Nathan Birnbaum.
Very popular TV show and ahead of its time. He had his own "den",
where he watched the action of his wife and others on TV in a comedic
episode, and he's talk to the audience. He'd comment on what was
going on, but Gracie always got the better of him in the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CoYC1QhjgI
Her reasoning was obtusely humorous - but it usually made sense. When
a guest said he was from a town in Illinois, she said (living in
California), "I'm glad I didn't live there!". The guest asked why,
and she replied, "It would be so far to walk to school." The
announcer, Harry von Zell, became befuddled by her answers on numerous
occasions.
Here's a show. Many more on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QO_StXExqU
--
Mike L
Oct 12, 2013, 4:47:44 PM10/12/13
to
Forsyth appears only in TV programmes I don't watch: he makes me feel
slightly contaminated.
--
Mike.
Robert Bannister
Oct 12, 2013, 6:30:56 PM10/12/13
to
can't remember, however, is how they came to be on British television.
They were definitely in black and white, and it was, I think, before I
left home, so presumably in the 50s. It was only a shortish segment if I
remember correctly - presumably part of another show - but I don't
remember any American variety shows at that time.
--
Robert Bannister
Robert Bannister
Oct 12, 2013, 6:44:42 PM10/12/13
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fair bit older then. I suppose what we saw were short film clips posted
over.
--
Robert Bannister
Robin Bignall
Oct 12, 2013, 7:27:23 PM10/12/13
to
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Mack A. Damia
Oct 12, 2013, 8:17:47 PM10/12/13
to
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 00:01:17 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>In message <rpdh59pmrfnsa6hns...@4ax.com>
>Goodnight, Gracie.
And she never said that. Ever.
But Dan Rowan would repeat, "Say goodnight Dick", to Dick Martin at
the end of every Laugh In show, and Dick would say, "Goodnight, Dick".
--
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>In message <rpdh59pmrfnsa6hns...@4ax.com>
And she never said that. Ever.
But Dan Rowan would repeat, "Say goodnight Dick", to Dick Martin at
the end of every Laugh In show, and Dick would say, "Goodnight, Dick".
--
Mack A. Damia
Oct 12, 2013, 8:24:12 PM10/12/13
to
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 00:27:23 +0100, Robin Bignall
I saw that one of the YouTube clips had Jack Benny as a guest on one
of the shows. Haven't watched it but I imagine there would be a lot
of laughs. Benny was another hoot.
--
of the shows. Haven't watched it but I imagine there would be a lot
of laughs. Benny was another hoot.
--
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 12, 2013, 11:19:06 PM10/12/13
to
On Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:01:17 PM UTC-4, Lewis wrote:
> In message <rpdh59pmrfnsa6hns...@4ax.com>
> Mack A Damia <mybaco...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In message <rpdh59pmrfnsa6hns...@4ax.com>
> Mack A Damia <mybaco...@hotmail.com> wrote:
That's like "Play it again, Sam." Gracie never said "Goodnight, Gracie."
Dick Martin did say "Goodnight, Dick," under similar circumstances, every week.
Robin Bignall
Oct 13, 2013, 9:55:45 AM10/13/13
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On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 17:24:12 -0700, Mack A. Damia
Now him I do know, from the radio in the late '40s. He was always a
welcome visitor to Britain, particularly as he had perfected the art of
getting to the age of 39 and staying there.
welcome visitor to Britain, particularly as he had perfected the art of
getting to the age of 39 and staying there.
Mack A. Damia
Oct 13, 2013, 1:46:29 PM10/13/13
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On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 14:55:45 +0100, Robin Bignall
And he was a tightwad with his money in his TV personna. On his
weekly TV show, he had a vault in the cellar complete with a moat and
alligators, I think.
And what a deadpan look at certain times.
--
weekly TV show, he had a vault in the cellar complete with a moat and
alligators, I think.
And what a deadpan look at certain times.
--
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 13, 2013, 3:22:11 PM10/13/13
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On Sunday, October 13, 2013 1:46:29 PM UTC-4, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 14:55:45 +0100, Robin Bignall
> <docr...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 17:24:12 -0700, Mack A. Damia
> ><mybaco...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> [Jack] Benny was another hoot.
> On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 14:55:45 +0100, Robin Bignall
> <docr...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 17:24:12 -0700, Mack A. Damia
> ><mybaco...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Now him I do know, from the radio in the late '40s. He was always a
> >welcome visitor to Britain, particularly as he had perfected the art of
> >getting to the age of 39 and staying there.
>
> And he was a tightwad with his money in his TV personna. On his
> weekly TV show, he had a vault in the cellar complete with a moat and
> alligators, I think.
It was much more persuasive on the radio.
> >Now him I do know, from the radio in the late '40s. He was always a
> >welcome visitor to Britain, particularly as he had perfected the art of
> >getting to the age of 39 and staying there.
>
> And he was a tightwad with his money in his TV personna. On his
> weekly TV show, he had a vault in the cellar complete with a moat and
> alligators, I think.
Peter Moylan
Oct 15, 2013, 12:42:08 AM10/15/13
to
good night from me", and the other would continue with "and it's
goodnight from him".
dbre...@gmail.com
May 14, 2015, 9:59:19 AM5/14/15
to
On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 at 1:32:16 AM UTC-5, isb...@gmail.com wrote:
> My mother, born in 1929 in Texas and raised in Oklahoma use to say copperosity all the time. She used it to refer to your rear-end ... but always with a twinkle in her Irish eyes.
My grandfather used copperosity to refer to the butt as well. "Stop running or you'll fall on your copperosity!"
> My mother, born in 1929 in Texas and raised in Oklahoma use to say copperosity all the time. She used it to refer to your rear-end ... but always with a twinkle in her Irish eyes.
Peter T. Daniels
May 14, 2015, 10:32:34 AM5/14/15
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the first message from the gmail-user who exhumed it in 2013.
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
May 14, 2015, 10:36:51 AM5/14/15
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http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/000166.html
On this web page[1], one Mike Schwitzgebel cites his Ohio
grandfather's use of the word "copperosity". He tracks this via the
OED to corporosity, "Bulkiness of body. Also used in a humorous
title or greeting', with a citation to James Joyce Ulysses 418 "Your
corporosity sagaciating O K?". This in turn is apparently a
reference to Joel Chandler Harris' The Tar Baby and other Tales of
Uncle Remus, where "copperosity" and "segashuate" represent the
African-American vernacular pronunciations of these words.
[1] That link is dead. This looks to be the new home of Mike
Schwitzgebel's website:
http://www.copperosity.com/home/copperosity.htm
Charles Bishop
May 14, 2015, 11:12:59 AM5/14/15
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In article <27e11463-8237-4bb0...@googlegroups.com>,
From "copper-bottomed", referring to boats, maybe?
--
charles
--
charles
Dr Nick
May 14, 2015, 1:49:31 PM5/14/15
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"Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <ma...@peterduncanson.net> writes:
> On Thu, 14 May 2015 06:59:16 -0700 (PDT), dbre...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 at 1:32:16 AM UTC-5, isb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> My mother, born in 1929 in Texas and raised in Oklahoma use to say copperosity all the time. She used it to refer to your rear-end ... but always with a twinkle in her Irish eyes.
>>
>>My grandfather used copperosity to refer to the butt as well. "Stop running or you'll fall on your copperosity!"
>
> "copperosity" is discussed by Mark Liberman in Langiage Log:
> http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/000166.html
>
> On this web page[1], one Mike Schwitzgebel cites his Ohio
> grandfather's use of the word "copperosity". He tracks this via the
> OED to corporosity, "Bulkiness of body. Also used in a humorous
> title or greeting', with a citation to James Joyce Ulysses 418 "Your
> corporosity sagaciating O K?". This in turn is apparently a
> reference to Joel Chandler Harris' The Tar Baby and other Tales of
> Uncle Remus, where "copperosity" and "segashuate" represent the
> African-American vernacular pronunciations of these words.
I've heard "corporation" to refer to a stoutness.
> On Thu, 14 May 2015 06:59:16 -0700 (PDT), dbre...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 at 1:32:16 AM UTC-5, isb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> My mother, born in 1929 in Texas and raised in Oklahoma use to say copperosity all the time. She used it to refer to your rear-end ... but always with a twinkle in her Irish eyes.
>>
>>My grandfather used copperosity to refer to the butt as well. "Stop running or you'll fall on your copperosity!"
>
> "copperosity" is discussed by Mark Liberman in Langiage Log:
> http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/000166.html
>
> On this web page[1], one Mike Schwitzgebel cites his Ohio
> grandfather's use of the word "copperosity". He tracks this via the
> OED to corporosity, "Bulkiness of body. Also used in a humorous
> title or greeting', with a citation to James Joyce Ulysses 418 "Your
> corporosity sagaciating O K?". This in turn is apparently a
> reference to Joel Chandler Harris' The Tar Baby and other Tales of
> Uncle Remus, where "copperosity" and "segashuate" represent the
> African-American vernacular pronunciations of these words.
I'd have guessed it was something to do with "copper bottomed" (whether
linked to Nicholas or not).
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
May 14, 2015, 4:32:38 PM5/14/15
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OED:
6. The body; the abdomen; esp. when large and prominent. colloq. and
vulgar.
The word "corporation" used to be used in BrE for:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/corporation
A group of people elected to govern a city, town, or borough:
"the City of London Corporation"
Those two definitions converged in jokes about "the mayor and his
corporation".
>I'd have guessed it was something to do with "copper bottomed" (whether
>linked to Nicholas or not).
Peter Moylan
May 14, 2015, 10:04:31 PM5/14/15
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On 15/05/15 03:50, Dr Nick wrote:
> I've heard "corporation" to refer to a stoutness.
I sometimes call one of my cats Sir Cumference.
> I've heard "corporation" to refer to a stoutness.
> I'd have guessed it was something to do with "copper bottomed" (whether
> linked to Nicholas or not).
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Peter Moylan
May 14, 2015, 10:05:14 PM5/14/15
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Peter T. Daniels
May 14, 2015, 11:16:02 PM5/14/15
to
On Thursday, May 14, 2015 at 10:05:14 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 14/05/15 23:59, dbre...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 at 1:32:16 AM UTC-5, isb...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> My mother, born in 1929 in Texas and raised in Oklahoma use to say copperosity all the time. She used it to refer to your rear-end ... but always with a twinkle in her Irish eyes.
> > My grandfather used copperosity to refer to the butt as well. "Stop running or you'll fall on your copperosity!"
>
> See! A gmail user.
Noted (11 hours earlier).
> On 14/05/15 23:59, dbre...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 at 1:32:16 AM UTC-5, isb...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> My mother, born in 1929 in Texas and raised in Oklahoma use to say copperosity all the time. She used it to refer to your rear-end ... but always with a twinkle in her Irish eyes.
> > My grandfather used copperosity to refer to the butt as well. "Stop running or you'll fall on your copperosity!"
>
> See! A gmail user.
Dr Nick
May 15, 2015, 1:59:46 AM5/15/15
to
Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org> writes:
> On 15/05/15 03:50, Dr Nick wrote:
>
>> I've heard "corporation" to refer to a stoutness.
>
> I sometimes call one of my cats Sir Cumference.
>
>> I'd have guessed it was something to do with "copper bottomed" (whether
>> linked to Nicholas or not).
>
> Nicholas? Is this a reference to Copper-knickers"?
Nickle-arse == copper-bottom.
> On 15/05/15 03:50, Dr Nick wrote:
>
>> I've heard "corporation" to refer to a stoutness.
>
> I sometimes call one of my cats Sir Cumference.
>
>> I'd have guessed it was something to do with "copper bottomed" (whether
>> linked to Nicholas or not).
>
> Nicholas? Is this a reference to Copper-knickers"?
Mike Barnes
May 15, 2015, 2:44:16 AM5/15/15
to
Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 14/05/15 23:59, dbre...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 at 1:32:16 AM UTC-5, isb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> My mother, born in 1929 in Texas and raised in Oklahoma use to
>>> say copperosity all the time. She used it to refer to your
>>> rear-end ... but always with a twinkle in her Irish eyes.
>>
>> My grandfather used copperosity to refer to the butt as well. "Stop
>> running or you'll fall on your copperosity!"
>
> See! A gmail user.
Is that a reference to the quoting style?
> On 14/05/15 23:59, dbre...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 at 1:32:16 AM UTC-5, isb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> My mother, born in 1929 in Texas and raised in Oklahoma use to
>>> say copperosity all the time. She used it to refer to your
>>> rear-end ... but always with a twinkle in her Irish eyes.
>>
>> My grandfather used copperosity to refer to the butt as well. "Stop
>> running or you'll fall on your copperosity!"
>
> See! A gmail user.
--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
Guy Barry
May 15, 2015, 3:01:32 AM5/15/15
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"Mike Barnes" wrote in message news:crlitt...@mid.individual.net...
No, it's a reference to the age of the post that was quoted. (Although
eighteen months seems a bit recent by some standards.)
--
Guy Barry
eighteen months seems a bit recent by some standards.)
--
Guy Barry
Guy Barry
May 15, 2015, 3:04:43 AM5/15/15
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"Guy Barry" wrote in message news:eRg5x.707912$_Q7.5...@fx28.am4...
reply to messages that were older than some set length of time. I wonder
why they dropped the restriction when it was revamped?
--
Guy Barry
>
>"Mike Barnes" wrote in message news:crlitt...@mid.individual.net...
>"Mike Barnes" wrote in message news:crlitt...@mid.individual.net...
>>Is that a reference to the quoting style?
>
>No, it's a reference to the age of the post that was quoted. (Although
>eighteen months seems a bit recent by some standards.)
Incidentally, I'm pretty certain that the old Google Groups wouldn't let you
>
>No, it's a reference to the age of the post that was quoted. (Although
>eighteen months seems a bit recent by some standards.)
reply to messages that were older than some set length of time. I wonder
why they dropped the restriction when it was revamped?
--
Guy Barry
Peter Moylan
May 15, 2015, 5:50:10 AM5/15/15
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pronunciation of the name. Nicholas reminds me of knickerless parsons.
Peter Moylan
May 15, 2015, 5:52:33 AM5/15/15
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got in before me anyway, in a post that hadn't reached me at the time I
made mine.
Guy Barry
May 15, 2015, 6:07:34 AM5/15/15
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"Peter Moylan" wrote in message news:mj4fis$fka$3...@dont-email.me...
In one way, PTD is right. When did you last see an ancient post brought up
by someone who wasn't a gmail user? As I've said a couple of times now,
people who are new to Google Groups seem to use gmail addresses far more
often than other addresses, and those new to Google Groups are more likely
to unearth old posts (for reasons given by Sneaky O. Possum). Hence the
apparent correlation between use of gmail and the resurrection of old posts.
Correlation does not, however, imply causation.
--
Guy Barry
by someone who wasn't a gmail user? As I've said a couple of times now,
people who are new to Google Groups seem to use gmail addresses far more
often than other addresses, and those new to Google Groups are more likely
to unearth old posts (for reasons given by Sneaky O. Possum). Hence the
apparent correlation between use of gmail and the resurrection of old posts.
Correlation does not, however, imply causation.
--
Guy Barry
David Kleinecke
May 15, 2015, 7:14:24 PM5/15/15
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On Friday, May 15, 2015 at 3:07:34 AM UTC-7, Guy Barry wrote:
> In one way, PTD is right. When did you last see an ancient post brought up
> by someone who wasn't a gmail user?
I remain confused how does a "gmail user" post to the group other than
> In one way, PTD is right. When did you last see an ancient post brought up
> by someone who wasn't a gmail user?
via Google groups. If there is no such way then nobody should be called a
gmail user - they are GG users.
Snidely
May 16, 2015, 3:30:35 AM5/16/15
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on 5/15/2015, David Kleinecke supposed :
Well, when I'm at home I don't usually post via GG, but I'm still a
gmail user.
/dps
--
Trust, but verify.
gmail user.
/dps
--
Trust, but verify.
Dr Nick
May 16, 2015, 3:48:35 AM5/16/15
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Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org> writes:
> On 15/05/15 16:00, Dr Nick wrote:
>> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org> writes:
>>
>>> On 15/05/15 03:50, Dr Nick wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've heard "corporation" to refer to a stoutness.
>>>
>>> I sometimes call one of my cats Sir Cumference.
>>>
>>>> I'd have guessed it was something to do with "copper bottomed" (whether
>>>> linked to Nicholas or not).
>>>
>>> Nicholas? Is this a reference to Copper-knickers"?
>>
>> Nickle-arse == copper-bottom.
>
> Thanks. That didn't occur to me because I have a slightly different
> pronunciation of the name. Nicholas reminds me of knickerless parsons.
It doesn't quite work for me (and it is a name I'm moderately familiar
> On 15/05/15 16:00, Dr Nick wrote:
>> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org> writes:
>>
>>> On 15/05/15 03:50, Dr Nick wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've heard "corporation" to refer to a stoutness.
>>>
>>> I sometimes call one of my cats Sir Cumference.
>>>
>>>> I'd have guessed it was something to do with "copper bottomed" (whether
>>>> linked to Nicholas or not).
>>>
>>> Nicholas? Is this a reference to Copper-knickers"?
>>
>> Nickle-arse == copper-bottom.
>
> Thanks. That didn't occur to me because I have a slightly different
> pronunciation of the name. Nicholas reminds me of knickerless parsons.
with) but it's close enough for a pun.
Guy Barry
May 16, 2015, 4:01:30 AM5/16/15
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"David Kleinecke" wrote in message
news:b93f2e8f-ec2b-48dd...@googlegroups.com...
users.
>If there is no such way then nobody should be called a
>gmail user - they are GG users.
They use gmail for their email address and GG for posting to Usenet, so
they're both.
--
Guy Barry
news:b93f2e8f-ec2b-48dd...@googlegroups.com...
>
>On Friday, May 15, 2015 at 3:07:34 AM UTC-7, Guy Barry wrote:
>
>> In one way, PTD is right. When did you last see an ancient post brought
>> up
>> by someone who wasn't a gmail user?
>
>I remain confused how does a "gmail user" post to the group other than
>via Google groups.
I'm talking about gmail users who post via Google groups, not other gmail
>On Friday, May 15, 2015 at 3:07:34 AM UTC-7, Guy Barry wrote:
>
>> In one way, PTD is right. When did you last see an ancient post brought
>> up
>> by someone who wasn't a gmail user?
>
>I remain confused how does a "gmail user" post to the group other than
>via Google groups.
users.
>If there is no such way then nobody should be called a
>gmail user - they are GG users.
they're both.
--
Guy Barry
David Kleinecke
May 16, 2015, 8:15:27 PM5/16/15
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But people here keep referring to gmail users as a class of people who
are accessing Usenet. I don't use gmail to access Usenet I use GG - which
is something quite different than gmail.
Why does anyone refer to a person accessing via GG as a gmail user?
Jerry Friedman
May 16, 2015, 11:24:50 PM5/16/15
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On 5/16/15 6:15 PM, David Kleinecke wrote:
> On Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 1:01:30 AM UTC-7, Guy Barry wrote:
>> "David Kleinecke" wrote in message
>> news:b93f2e8f-ec2b-48dd...@googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 15, 2015 at 3:07:34 AM UTC-7, Guy Barry wrote:
>>>
>>>> In one way, PTD is right. When did you last see an ancient post brought
>>>> up
>>>> by someone who wasn't a gmail user?
>>>
>>> I remain confused how does a "gmail user" post to the group other than
>>> via Google groups.
>>
>> I'm talking about gmail users who post via Google groups, not other gmail
>> users.
>>
>>> If there is no such way then nobody should be called a
>>> gmail user - they are GG users.
>>
>> They use gmail for their email address and GG for posting to Usenet, so
>> they're both.
>>
>> --
>> Guy Barry
>
> Yes, anyone who posts via GG probably uses gmail for email.
...
> On Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 1:01:30 AM UTC-7, Guy Barry wrote:
>> "David Kleinecke" wrote in message
>> news:b93f2e8f-ec2b-48dd...@googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 15, 2015 at 3:07:34 AM UTC-7, Guy Barry wrote:
>>>
>>>> In one way, PTD is right. When did you last see an ancient post brought
>>>> up
>>>> by someone who wasn't a gmail user?
>>>
>>> I remain confused how does a "gmail user" post to the group other than
>>> via Google groups.
>>
>> I'm talking about gmail users who post via Google groups, not other gmail
>> users.
>>
>>> If there is no such way then nobody should be called a
>>> gmail user - they are GG users.
>>
>> They use gmail for their email address and GG for posting to Usenet, so
>> they're both.
>>
>> --
>> Guy Barry
>
> Yes, anyone who posts via GG probably uses gmail for email.
Really? I use GG when I'm at work and mostly use yahoo for e-mail (though
I did post something here using my gmail address recently).
--
Jerry Friedman
Peter T. Daniels
May 17, 2015, 2:27:00 AM5/17/15
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On Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 8:15:27 PM UTC-4, David Kleinecke wrote:
> On Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 1:01:30 AM UTC-7, Guy Barry wrote:
> > "David Kleinecke" wrote in message
> > news:b93f2e8f-ec2b-48dd...@googlegroups.com...
> > >On Friday, May 15, 2015 at 3:07:34 AM UTC-7, Guy Barry wrote:
> > >> In one way, PTD is right. When did you last see an ancient post brought
> > >> up
> > >> by someone who wasn't a gmail user?
> > >I remain confused how does a "gmail user" post to the group other than
> > >via Google groups.
> > I'm talking about gmail users who post via Google groups, not other gmail
> > users.
> > >If there is no such way then nobody should be called a
> On Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 1:01:30 AM UTC-7, Guy Barry wrote:
> > "David Kleinecke" wrote in message
> > news:b93f2e8f-ec2b-48dd...@googlegroups.com...
> > >On Friday, May 15, 2015 at 3:07:34 AM UTC-7, Guy Barry wrote:
> > >> In one way, PTD is right. When did you last see an ancient post brought
> > >> up
> > >> by someone who wasn't a gmail user?
> > >I remain confused how does a "gmail user" post to the group other than
> > >via Google groups.
> > I'm talking about gmail users who post via Google groups, not other gmail
> > users.
> > >If there is no such way then nobody should be called a
> > They use gmail for their email address and GG for posting to Usenet, so
> > they're both.
>
> > they're both.
>
> Yes, anyone who posts via GG probably uses gmail for email.
>
> But people here keep referring to gmail users as a class of people who
> are accessing Usenet. I don't use gmail to access Usenet I use GG - which
> is something quite different than gmail.
>
> Why does anyone refer to a person accessing via GG as a gmail user?
Because the offenders' gmail addresses are displayed in their bylines.
>
> But people here keep referring to gmail users as a class of people who
> are accessing Usenet. I don't use gmail to access Usenet I use GG - which
> is something quite different than gmail.
>
> Why does anyone refer to a person accessing via GG as a gmail user?
My few-months' experience with Chrome (the Best Buy Geek Squad switched me to
it when Internet Explorer was acting up) that I have no desire whatsoever to
get involved in gmail. Plus it presumably generates even more advertising than
Verizon Yahoo festoons the email page with.
Guy Barry
May 17, 2015, 3:45:18 AM5/17/15
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"David Kleinecke" wrote in message
news:321d1093-9995-4b37...@googlegroups.com...
>
>On Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 1:01:30 AM UTC-7, Guy Barry wrote:
>> "David Kleinecke" wrote in message
>> news:b93f2e8f-ec2b-48dd...@googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> >On Friday, May 15, 2015 at 3:07:34 AM UTC-7, Guy Barry wrote:
>> >
>> >> In one way, PTD is right. When did you last see an ancient post
>> >> brought
>> >> up
>> >> by someone who wasn't a gmail user?
>> >
>> >I remain confused how does a "gmail user" post to the group other than
>> >via Google groups.
>>
>> I'm talking about gmail users who post via Google groups, not other gmail
>> users.
>>
>> >If there is no such way then nobody should be called a
>> >gmail user - they are GG users.
>>
>> They use gmail for their email address and GG for posting to Usenet, so
>> they're both.
>On Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 1:01:30 AM UTC-7, Guy Barry wrote:
>> "David Kleinecke" wrote in message
>> news:b93f2e8f-ec2b-48dd...@googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> >On Friday, May 15, 2015 at 3:07:34 AM UTC-7, Guy Barry wrote:
>> >
>> >> In one way, PTD is right. When did you last see an ancient post
>> >> brought
>> >> up
>> >> by someone who wasn't a gmail user?
>> >
>> >I remain confused how does a "gmail user" post to the group other than
>> >via Google groups.
>>
>> I'm talking about gmail users who post via Google groups, not other gmail
>> users.
>>
>> >If there is no such way then nobody should be called a
>> >gmail user - they are GG users.
>>
>> They use gmail for their email address and GG for posting to Usenet, so
>> they're both.
>Yes, anyone who posts via GG probably uses gmail for email.
No, not "anyone". PTD doesn't.
>But people here keep referring to gmail users as a class of people who
>are accessing Usenet. I don't use gmail to access Usenet I use GG - which
>is something quite different than gmail.
>
>Why does anyone refer to a person accessing via GG as a gmail user?
--
Guy Barry
Peter Moylan
May 17, 2015, 7:45:36 AM5/17/15
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On 17/05/15 16:26, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> My few-months' experience with Chrome (the Best Buy Geek Squad switched me to
> it when Internet Explorer was acting up) that I have no desire whatsoever to
> get involved in gmail. Plus it presumably generates even more advertising than
> Verizon Yahoo festoons the email page with.
Doesn't Verizon give you a proper mail account that doesn't require a
> My few-months' experience with Chrome (the Best Buy Geek Squad switched me to
> it when Internet Explorer was acting up) that I have no desire whatsoever to
> get involved in gmail. Plus it presumably generates even more advertising than
> Verizon Yahoo festoons the email page with.
web interface? Webmail is OK if you're travelling a lot, but you pay a
high price in terms of the crappy user interface. And the advertising,
of course.
Jeff Urs
May 17, 2015, 8:14:56 AM5/17/15
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On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 7:45:36 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 17/05/15 16:26, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
>> My few-months' experience with Chrome (the Best Buy Geek Squad
>> switched me to it when Internet Explorer was acting up) that I
>> have no desire whatsoever to get involved in gmail. Plus it
>> presumably generates even more advertising than Verizon Yahoo
>> festoons the email page with.
>
> Doesn't Verizon give you a proper mail account that doesn't require a
> web interface? Webmail is OK if you're travelling a lot, but you pay a
> high price in terms of the crappy user interface. And the advertising,
> of course.
The last time I checked, the mail servers for Gmail and Yahoo Mail
> On 17/05/15 16:26, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
>> My few-months' experience with Chrome (the Best Buy Geek Squad
>> switched me to it when Internet Explorer was acting up) that I
>> have no desire whatsoever to get involved in gmail. Plus it
>> presumably generates even more advertising than Verizon Yahoo
>> festoons the email page with.
>
> Doesn't Verizon give you a proper mail account that doesn't require a
> web interface? Webmail is OK if you're travelling a lot, but you pay a
> high price in terms of the crappy user interface. And the advertising,
> of course.
could be accessed through POP and IMAP clients.
--
Jeff
Tony Cooper
May 17, 2015, 9:23:54 AM5/17/15
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On Sat, 16 May 2015 23:26:58 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>My few-months' experience with Chrome (the Best Buy Geek Squad switched me to
>it when Internet Explorer was acting up) that I have no desire whatsoever to
>get involved in gmail. Plus it presumably generates even more advertising than
>Verizon Yahoo festoons the email page with.
While I have a provider-provided email account, I never use it. I use
<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>My few-months' experience with Chrome (the Best Buy Geek Squad switched me to
>it when Internet Explorer was acting up) that I have no desire whatsoever to
>get involved in gmail. Plus it presumably generates even more advertising than
>Verizon Yahoo festoons the email page with.
a gmail account.
There is no advertising information whatsoever on the page that shows
my gmail Inbox or any other page associated with gmail. None.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
Peter T. Daniels
May 17, 2015, 1:07:40 PM5/17/15
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On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 7:45:36 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 17/05/15 16:26, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > My few-months' experience with Chrome (the Best Buy Geek Squad switched me to
> > it when Internet Explorer was acting up) that I have no desire whatsoever to
> > get involved in gmail. Plus it presumably generates even more advertising than
> > Verizon Yahoo festoons the email page with.
>
> Doesn't Verizon give you a proper mail account that doesn't require a
> web interface? Webmail is OK if you're travelling a lot, but you pay a
> high price in terms of the crappy user interface. And the advertising,
> of course.
When I switched, I was given the choice between something from MS and Verizon Yahoo!. Coming from Mac, I had a natural bias against MS, so I chose the other
> > My few-months' experience with Chrome (the Best Buy Geek Squad switched me to
> > it when Internet Explorer was acting up) that I have no desire whatsoever to
> > get involved in gmail. Plus it presumably generates even more advertising than
> > Verizon Yahoo festoons the email page with.
>
> Doesn't Verizon give you a proper mail account that doesn't require a
> web interface? Webmail is OK if you're travelling a lot, but you pay a
> high price in terms of the crappy user interface. And the advertising,
> of course.
alternative.
So I don't know what "proper mail account" means.
David Kleinecke
May 17, 2015, 7:57:29 PM5/17/15
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On Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 11:27:00 PM UTC-7, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> My few-months' experience with Chrome (the Best Buy Geek Squad switched me to
> it when Internet Explorer was acting up) that I have no desire whatsoever to
> get involved in gmail. Plus it presumably generates even more advertising than
> Verizon Yahoo festoons the email page with.
As nearly as I can tell - gmail generates no ads at all.
>
> My few-months' experience with Chrome (the Best Buy Geek Squad switched me to
> it when Internet Explorer was acting up) that I have no desire whatsoever to
> get involved in gmail. Plus it presumably generates even more advertising than
> Verizon Yahoo festoons the email page with.
I just looked at in several different ways and found none. If there are any
they are uttely unintrusive. I uses Firefox rather than Chrome.
Tony Cooper
May 17, 2015, 9:07:07 PM5/17/15
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On Sun, 17 May 2015 16:57:27 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
<dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 11:27:00 PM UTC-7, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>
>> My few-months' experience with Chrome (the Best Buy Geek Squad switched me to
>> it when Internet Explorer was acting up) that I have no desire whatsoever to
>> get involved in gmail. Plus it presumably generates even more advertising than
>> Verizon Yahoo festoons the email page with.
>
>As nearly as I can tell - gmail generates no ads at all.
It doesn't. And, it doesn't have anything to do with Chrome. Either
<dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 11:27:00 PM UTC-7, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>
>> My few-months' experience with Chrome (the Best Buy Geek Squad switched me to
>> it when Internet Explorer was acting up) that I have no desire whatsoever to
>> get involved in gmail. Plus it presumably generates even more advertising than
>> Verizon Yahoo festoons the email page with.
>
>As nearly as I can tell - gmail generates no ads at all.
can be used without using the other.
Peter T. Daniels
May 18, 2015, 12:04:23 AM5/18/15
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On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 7:57:29 PM UTC-4, David Kleinecke wrote:
> On Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 11:27:00 PM UTC-7, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >
> > My few-months' experience with Chrome (the Best Buy Geek Squad switched me to
> > it when Internet Explorer was acting up) that I have no desire whatsoever to
> > get involved in gmail. Plus it presumably generates even more advertising than
> > Verizon Yahoo festoons the email page with.
>
> As nearly as I can tell - gmail generates no ads at all.
How much spam do you get that just happens to correlate with words that
> On Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 11:27:00 PM UTC-7, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >
> > My few-months' experience with Chrome (the Best Buy Geek Squad switched me to
> > it when Internet Explorer was acting up) that I have no desire whatsoever to
> > get involved in gmail. Plus it presumably generates even more advertising than
> > Verizon Yahoo festoons the email page with.
>
> As nearly as I can tell - gmail generates no ads at all.
happened to appear in your emails?
Peter T. Daniels
May 18, 2015, 12:06:01 AM5/18/15
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It has everything to do with Chrome. As much as either of those has to do with
GG, with Google Books, Google Scholar, Google Images, Google Noto fonts, and
all the other free services Google provides.
Charles Bishop
May 18, 2015, 12:47:52 AM5/18/15
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In article <sPC5x.516516$pj.5...@fx16.am4>,
There are two attributes, using gmail and using GG to post to Usenet.
The attribute that is relevant to posting (to aue, here) is Google
Groups so that is the attribute that should be mentioned in the
discussion about posting, I'd think.
--
charles
The attribute that is relevant to posting (to aue, here) is Google
Groups so that is the attribute that should be mentioned in the
discussion about posting, I'd think.
--
charles
Tony Cooper
May 18, 2015, 2:29:14 AM5/18/15
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On Sun, 17 May 2015 21:04:21 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 7:57:29 PM UTC-4, David Kleinecke wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 11:27:00 PM UTC-7, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> >
>> > My few-months' experience with Chrome (the Best Buy Geek Squad switched me to
>> > it when Internet Explorer was acting up) that I have no desire whatsoever to
>> > get involved in gmail. Plus it presumably generates even more advertising than
>> > Verizon Yahoo festoons the email page with.
>>
>> As nearly as I can tell - gmail generates no ads at all.
>
>How much spam do you get that just happens to correlate with words that
>happened to appear in your emails?
None whatsoever in my case, and I'm a gmail user. What is your basis
<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 7:57:29 PM UTC-4, David Kleinecke wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 11:27:00 PM UTC-7, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> >
>> > My few-months' experience with Chrome (the Best Buy Geek Squad switched me to
>> > it when Internet Explorer was acting up) that I have no desire whatsoever to
>> > get involved in gmail. Plus it presumably generates even more advertising than
>> > Verizon Yahoo festoons the email page with.
>>
>> As nearly as I can tell - gmail generates no ads at all.
>
>How much spam do you get that just happens to correlate with words that
>happened to appear in your emails?
for even suggesting this?
Peter Moylan
May 18, 2015, 3:03:44 AM5/18/15
to
careful about signing up with the big spammer-friendly providers like
AOL, gmail, Yahoo, etc. Recently Yahoo started inserting spam directly
in your mailbox, and it was exempt from being reported as spam because
it was labelled "sponsored advertising" or something similar. (I know,
because I tried to report it.) I haven't noticed this more recently, so
maybe complaints had some effect. Or maybe the other people who check
the mailbox deleted the spam before I saw it.
There is also a newish "standard" (which is not quite compatible with
the standard mail standards) called DMARC which is designed to give
preferential treatment to spam from those companies.
Peter T. Daniels
May 18, 2015, 7:38:28 AM5/18/15
to
insisting the reason they don't use GG is the horrible advertising that infects
its pages. There is none.
Peter T. Daniels
May 18, 2015, 7:42:20 AM5/18/15
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appear in my email, but there was a button for marking it "spam" without
opening it. Nowadays, and for quite a while, I haven't had any spam at all
in my email, but usually about half a dozen items accumulate in the Spam
Folder overnight, and with very few exceptions, they are indeed spam. But
I haevn't heard from any Nigerian princes in a very long time, so it's
possible that such messages aren't even offered for rejection, which is a
bit troubling.
Peter Moylan
May 18, 2015, 8:39:30 AM5/18/15
to
On 18/05/15 21:42, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 3:03:44 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> I've never heard that complaint about gmail, but you do need to be
>> careful about signing up with the big spammer-friendly providers like
>> AOL, gmail, Yahoo, etc. Recently Yahoo started inserting spam directly
>> in your mailbox, and it was exempt from being reported as spam because
>> it was labelled "sponsored advertising" or something similar. (I know,
>> because I tried to report it.) I haven't noticed this more recently, so
>> maybe complaints had some effect. Or maybe the other people who check
>> the mailbox deleted the spam before I saw it.
>>
>> There is also a newish "standard" (which is not quite compatible with
>> the standard mail standards) called DMARC which is designed to give
>> preferential treatment to spam from those companies.
>
> "Recently" and "more recently" are less than helpful terms -- spam used to
> appear in my email, but there was a button for marking it "spam" without
> opening it.
I don't remember exact dates, but by "recently" I meant around about
> On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 3:03:44 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> I've never heard that complaint about gmail, but you do need to be
>> careful about signing up with the big spammer-friendly providers like
>> AOL, gmail, Yahoo, etc. Recently Yahoo started inserting spam directly
>> in your mailbox, and it was exempt from being reported as spam because
>> it was labelled "sponsored advertising" or something similar. (I know,
>> because I tried to report it.) I haven't noticed this more recently, so
>> maybe complaints had some effect. Or maybe the other people who check
>> the mailbox deleted the spam before I saw it.
>>
>> There is also a newish "standard" (which is not quite compatible with
>> the standard mail standards) called DMARC which is designed to give
>> preferential treatment to spam from those companies.
>
> "Recently" and "more recently" are less than helpful terms -- spam used to
> appear in my email, but there was a button for marking it "spam" without
> opening it.
January or February this year. It was different from traditional spam in
that it was labelled "sponsored by Yahoo" or something similar. I
suspect that it was a short-lived phenomenon; there would have been a
flood of complaints.
Jerry Friedman
May 18, 2015, 9:37:04 AM5/18/15
to
On 5/18/15 6:39 AM, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 18/05/15 21:42, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 3:03:44 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
>>> I've never heard that complaint about gmail, but you do need to be
>>> careful about signing up with the big spammer-friendly providers like
>>> AOL, gmail, Yahoo, etc. Recently Yahoo started inserting spam directly
>>> in your mailbox, and it was exempt from being reported as spam because
>>> it was labelled "sponsored advertising" or something similar. (I know,
>>> because I tried to report it.) I haven't noticed this more recently, so
>>> maybe complaints had some effect. Or maybe the other people who check
>>> the mailbox deleted the spam before I saw it.
...
> On 18/05/15 21:42, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 3:03:44 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
>>> I've never heard that complaint about gmail, but you do need to be
>>> careful about signing up with the big spammer-friendly providers like
>>> AOL, gmail, Yahoo, etc. Recently Yahoo started inserting spam directly
>>> in your mailbox, and it was exempt from being reported as spam because
>>> it was labelled "sponsored advertising" or something similar. (I know,
>>> because I tried to report it.) I haven't noticed this more recently, so
>>> maybe complaints had some effect. Or maybe the other people who check
>>> the mailbox deleted the spam before I saw it.
I don't see a way to delete it.
>> "Recently" and "more recently" are less than helpful terms -- spam used to
>> appear in my email, but there was a button for marking it "spam" without
>> opening it.
>
> I don't remember exact dates, but by "recently" I meant around about
> January or February this year. It was different from traditional spam in
> that it was labelled "sponsored by Yahoo" or something similar. I
> suspect that it was a short-lived phenomenon;
disappeared from yours because you complained.
> there would have been a flood of complaints.
haven't complained. (There was some other Verschlimmbesserung I did
complain about at some point.)
--
Jerry Friedman
David Kleinecke
May 18, 2015, 8:34:57 PM5/18/15
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based on references from my gmail.
On the other hand recent purchases from Dover and Hanes have unleashed a
flood of spam - much worse than anything Amazon has ever done. But spam
doesn't bother me - I just delete it.
Peter Moylan
May 18, 2015, 9:17:16 PM5/18/15
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On 19/05/15 10:34, David Kleinecke wrote:
> On the other hand recent purchases from Dover and Hanes have unleashed a
> flood of spam - much worse than anything Amazon has ever done. But spam
> doesn't bother me - I just delete it.
I don't know why, but my spam load has suddenly increased. When I open
> On the other hand recent purchases from Dover and Hanes have unleashed a
> flood of spam - much worse than anything Amazon has ever done. But spam
> doesn't bother me - I just delete it.
my mail program on a typical morning, I get about 30 messages, of which
four or five are genuine mail. I did make a recent purchase from Amazon.
A lot of the most recent spam is from men wanting to be my fuckbuddy,
and plenty of people want to do something about my student loan or offer
finance for me to buy a house in the USA. More mysteriously, I'm now
getting a lot of spam in Polish.
Peter T. Daniels
May 18, 2015, 11:22:01 PM5/18/15
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On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 9:17:16 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> I don't know why, but my spam load has suddenly increased. When I open
> my mail program on a typical morning, I get about 30 messages, of which
> four or five are genuine mail. I did make a recent purchase from Amazon.
>
> A lot of the most recent spam is from men wanting to be my fuckbuddy,
> and plenty of people want to do something about my student loan or offer
> finance for me to buy a house in the USA. More mysteriously, I'm now
> getting a lot of spam in Polish.
Hm. I only get the first type of offer from women.
> I don't know why, but my spam load has suddenly increased. When I open
> my mail program on a typical morning, I get about 30 messages, of which
> four or five are genuine mail. I did make a recent purchase from Amazon.
>
> A lot of the most recent spam is from men wanting to be my fuckbuddy,
> and plenty of people want to do something about my student loan or offer
> finance for me to buy a house in the USA. More mysteriously, I'm now
> getting a lot of spam in Polish.
Peter T. Daniels
May 18, 2015, 11:22:39 PM5/18/15
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On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 8:34:57 PM UTC-4, David Kleinecke wrote:
> Very little spam starts with gmail. But I do get ads on search pages
> based on references from my gmail.
>
> On the other hand recent purchases from Dover and Hanes have unleashed a
> flood of spam -
Quality reprinted books, and underwear?
> Very little spam starts with gmail. But I do get ads on search pages
> based on references from my gmail.
>
> On the other hand recent purchases from Dover and Hanes have unleashed a
> flood of spam -
Peter Moylan
May 18, 2015, 11:51:55 PM5/18/15
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many people in China who don't know which English-sounding names are
used by men and which by women. Probably they have a database of fake
names to use, and it's not sorted by sex.
R H Draney
May 19, 2015, 1:33:18 AM5/19/15
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Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org> wrote in news:mje2sl$dvg$1...@dont-email.me:
> I don't know why, but my spam load has suddenly increased. When I open
> my mail program on a typical morning, I get about 30 messages, of which
> four or five are genuine mail. I did make a recent purchase from Amazon.
>
> A lot of the most recent spam is from men wanting to be my fuckbuddy,
> and plenty of people want to do something about my student loan or offer
> finance for me to buy a house in the USA. More mysteriously, I'm now
> getting a lot of spam in Polish.
I'm getting the Polish stuff myself, as well as frequent offers to go to
work as an independent contractor...one of the latter sells awnings that,
were they not all the way over in mainland China, I might even be
interested in buying for my own use....r
> I don't know why, but my spam load has suddenly increased. When I open
> my mail program on a typical morning, I get about 30 messages, of which
> four or five are genuine mail. I did make a recent purchase from Amazon.
>
> A lot of the most recent spam is from men wanting to be my fuckbuddy,
> and plenty of people want to do something about my student loan or offer
> finance for me to buy a house in the USA. More mysteriously, I'm now
> getting a lot of spam in Polish.
work as an independent contractor...one of the latter sells awnings that,
were they not all the way over in mainland China, I might even be
interested in buying for my own use....r
snide...@gmail.com
May 19, 2015, 2:07:57 AM5/19/15
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to mark something as spam, and once generally does it. Gmail has applied a lot
of metrics into making their spam filters, so both false negatives and
false positives seem to be in low numbers.
Facebook ads are very sensitive to what you've done elsewhere.
/dps
David Kleinecke
May 19, 2015, 8:33:05 PM5/19/15
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The fact is that I would rather run around naked but even California is
not warm enough and people might object.
Sneaky O. Possum
May 20, 2015, 12:46:23 PM5/20/15
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David Kleinecke <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:0fa2f245-1636-4149...@googlegroups.com:
Some parts of California are warm enough, but in those areas the nudist
runs into other difficulties in addition to the potential objections of
others. Biting insects and sunburn are sufficiently annoying to clothed
individuals - putting one's entire skin at their mercy is ill-advised.
One's feet may get cut up, too - the warmer areas tend to get a bit
jagged. I note that some of the pre-Columbian residents habitually
dispensed with most of their clothing, but they didn't walk around
barefoot.
--
S.O.P.
news:0fa2f245-1636-4149...@googlegroups.com:
runs into other difficulties in addition to the potential objections of
others. Biting insects and sunburn are sufficiently annoying to clothed
individuals - putting one's entire skin at their mercy is ill-advised.
One's feet may get cut up, too - the warmer areas tend to get a bit
jagged. I note that some of the pre-Columbian residents habitually
dispensed with most of their clothing, but they didn't walk around
barefoot.
--
S.O.P.
Tony Cooper
May 20, 2015, 2:23:28 PM5/20/15
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used to call them "Nudist Colonies")
Being highly allergic to mosquito bites is the least of the reasons I
would not be interested in going to one. While sandspurs - those
prickly little things that pierce the skin when stepped on - abound
down here, that's another unimportant consideration.
I don't see how they ever sit. Anyone in Florida who has a car with
leather seats knows that hot seats are a serious problem down here.
One of the main reasons that I sold my Chrysler convertible with
leather seats is that I had to keep a furniture pad in the trunk to
cover the seats when I wasn't in it, and to sit on when I was in it.
A friend of mine chipped a tooth when he got into the passenger seat
carrying an insulated metal coffee go-cup and jumped up so fast he
banged the cup on his teeth. He also spilled the hot coffee on the
other side of where the seat burned him. Thankfully, he did not sue.
This happened about 9 AM, but the seat was already hot from the sun.
David Kleinecke
May 20, 2015, 8:23:33 PM5/20/15
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avoid exposure to direct sun.
Robert Bannister
May 21, 2015, 6:50:49 PM5/21/15
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and solar water heating work very well apart from a couple of days a year.
--
Robert Bannister - 1940-71 SE England
1972-now W Australia
garry...@xtra.co.nz
Jun 1, 2017, 3:57:01 AM6/1/17
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On Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 6:35:03 AM UTC+12, Mike Schwitzgebel wrote:
> My grandfather was fond of using odd-sounding words and phrases that we, his
> grandchildren, have tended to assume were made up to fill some momentary
> lack in his English vocabulary. Some of these included "imitistically
> speaking, and in an offhand manner", "rodamontating", and "copperosity".
> When I decided to incorporate the last of these into a domain name, I
> included on the associated web site my theory of where Granddad might have
> come up with such a word, only to receive a half a dozen e-mails from people
> whose fathers and grandfathers had also used the word. Since then, I have
> tried, without success, to find a reference to "copperosity" in as many hard
> copy and online dictionaries as I could readily access.
>
> And now I pose the question to you all, in the hope that someone besides me
> will find it intriguing.
>
> As near as I've been able to tell, "copperosity" seems to have been in most
> active use during the mid-to-late 19th century and early 20th. The word
> seems to have been used in the context of physical health, as in, "Eat your
> green beans; they're good for your copperosity" or "How's your copperosity
> sagaciating, this morning?" All of the people who have told me that they
> remember family members using the word live in the United States; however,
> one gentleman remarked that his father used to used the word rather formally
> to when addressing his wife, upon his return from work. He said that the
> family background was "strictly English from way back, therefore fully
> starched in speech, manners, posture, etc."
>
> I have found only one more or less non-anecdotal reference, in a newspaper
> column written by Kent Biffle for The Dallas Morning News. In the piece,
> Biffle sets off on a tongue-in-cheek fit of pique over Nicholas Doran P.
> Maillard's 1842 book, _The History of the Republic of Texas, From the
> Discovery of the Country to the Present Time; And the Cause of Her
> Separation from the Republic of Mexico_. In this book (according to
> Biffle), Maillard observes that one common greeting, among Texans, is "How
> does your copperosity sagaciate this morning?"(1)
>
> So. My origin hypothesis is that, in the 19th century, some aspects of
> health were associated with the concentration of copper in the blood--true,
> of course--and that inquiring after one's "copperosity" was a colloquial way
> of asking how he was feeling. That's only conjecture, however, and I'd like
> to learn the historical origin, if one of you knows it. And, if someone
> could suggest good sources for information on *other* such words, that would
> be even better!
>
> Mike
> --
> To reply via email, remove the TUMOR from my address.
>
> 1. Biffle, Kent. "Brit's take on state of republic." The Dallas Morning
> News. 2 June, 2002.
> My grandfather was fond of using odd-sounding words and phrases that we, his
> grandchildren, have tended to assume were made up to fill some momentary
> lack in his English vocabulary. Some of these included "imitistically
> speaking, and in an offhand manner", "rodamontating", and "copperosity".
> When I decided to incorporate the last of these into a domain name, I
> included on the associated web site my theory of where Granddad might have
> come up with such a word, only to receive a half a dozen e-mails from people
> whose fathers and grandfathers had also used the word. Since then, I have
> tried, without success, to find a reference to "copperosity" in as many hard
> copy and online dictionaries as I could readily access.
>
> And now I pose the question to you all, in the hope that someone besides me
> will find it intriguing.
>
> As near as I've been able to tell, "copperosity" seems to have been in most
> active use during the mid-to-late 19th century and early 20th. The word
> seems to have been used in the context of physical health, as in, "Eat your
> green beans; they're good for your copperosity" or "How's your copperosity
> sagaciating, this morning?" All of the people who have told me that they
> remember family members using the word live in the United States; however,
> one gentleman remarked that his father used to used the word rather formally
> to when addressing his wife, upon his return from work. He said that the
> family background was "strictly English from way back, therefore fully
> starched in speech, manners, posture, etc."
>
> I have found only one more or less non-anecdotal reference, in a newspaper
> column written by Kent Biffle for The Dallas Morning News. In the piece,
> Biffle sets off on a tongue-in-cheek fit of pique over Nicholas Doran P.
> Maillard's 1842 book, _The History of the Republic of Texas, From the
> Discovery of the Country to the Present Time; And the Cause of Her
> Separation from the Republic of Mexico_. In this book (according to
> Biffle), Maillard observes that one common greeting, among Texans, is "How
> does your copperosity sagaciate this morning?"(1)
>
> So. My origin hypothesis is that, in the 19th century, some aspects of
> health were associated with the concentration of copper in the blood--true,
> of course--and that inquiring after one's "copperosity" was a colloquial way
> of asking how he was feeling. That's only conjecture, however, and I'd like
> to learn the historical origin, if one of you knows it. And, if someone
> could suggest good sources for information on *other* such words, that would
> be even better!
>
> Mike
> --
> To reply via email, remove the TUMOR from my address.
>
> 1. Biffle, Kent. "Brit's take on state of republic." The Dallas Morning
> News. 2 June, 2002.
garry...@xtra.co.nz
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garry...@xtra.co.nz
Jun 1, 2017, 4:20:39 AM6/1/17
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Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Jun 1, 2017, 5:53:56 AM6/1/17
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From the OED (Oxford English Dictionary):
corpo'rosity, n.
U.S. colloq.
= Bulkiness of body. Also used in a humorous title or greeting
(see quot. 1950).
1837 J. C. Neal Charcoal Sketches (Farmer), His corporosity
touches the ground with his hands in a vain attempt to reach it.
1870 O. Logan Before Footlights 174 A gentleman endowed with an
ample corporosity.
1890 Jrnl. Amer. Folklore 3 64 How does your corporosity
sagatiate?
1922 J. Joyce Ulysses ii. xiv. [Oxen of the Sun] 404 Your
corporosity sagaciating O K?
1950 Publ. Amer. Dial. Soc. XIV. 59 ‘How is your corporosity
segaciating?’ meaning, how is your health?
"corporosity" refers to a "corporation" in the sense of a "paunch",
which is a "large or protruding belly.
The idea is firstly, that someone with a protruding belly is well-fed
compared with someone who is thin and emaciated. Secondly, being
well-fed is necessary for good health.
Of course we now understand that "you can have too much of a good thing"
and that obesity is potentially bad for a person's health.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Peter T. Daniels
Jun 1, 2017, 7:21:38 AM6/1/17
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I wonder whether some of his flowery phrases had century-old pedigrees like this one,
Note that this temporally agrees with the fad that gave us "O.K." after "Oll
Korrekt" -- maybe the fad for misspelling ordinary words was a reaction to
such quasi-Johnsonian Latinisms!
CDB
Jun 1, 2017, 9:31:30 AM6/1/17
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>>> 1. Biffle, Kent. "Brit's take on state of republic." The Dallas
>>> Morning News. 2 June, 2002.
>> My Mother would say to me when I was a young child in the 1950's to
>> '60's "how does your copperosity seem to segaciate?" This was in
>> New Zealand,
> Sorry I'm not familiar with this format and I think I hit a wrong
> button. My Mother's family came from England to New Zealand in the
> later 1800's. My Mother had been a nurse also in the 1930's. I
> assumed it meant something like how is your health or how are you
> feeling. Cheers Garry Miln
An interesting article at Language Log suggests it's a non-rhotic
>>> Morning News. 2 June, 2002.
>> My Mother would say to me when I was a young child in the 1950's to
>> '60's "how does your copperosity seem to segaciate?" This was in
>> New Zealand,
> Sorry I'm not familiar with this format and I think I hit a wrong
> button. My Mother's family came from England to New Zealand in the
> later 1800's. My Mother had been a nurse also in the 1930's. I
> assumed it meant something like how is your health or how are you
> feeling. Cheers Garry Miln
version of "corporosity". Lots more at
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/000166.html
Jerry Friedman
Jun 1, 2017, 10:47:38 AM6/1/17
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I imagine that "sagatiate" is related to Uncle Remus's '"'How duz yo'
sym'tums seem ter segashuate?' sez Brer Rabbit, sezee."' That's from 1880.
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ug97/remus/tar-baby.html
--
Jerry Friedman seems to have mentioned that in the 2013 revival of this
thread too.
Paul Carmichael
Jun 2, 2017, 10:15:32 AM6/2/17
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On 01/06/17 11:53, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 01:20:37 -0700 (PDT), garry...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, June 1, 2017 at 8:09:44 PM UTC+12, garry...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 6:35:03 AM UTC+12, Mike Schwitzgebel wrote:
>> Sorry I'm not familiar with this format and I think I hit a wrong button. My Mother's family came from England to New Zealand in the later 1800's. My Mother had been a nurse also in the 1930's. I assumed it meant something like how is your health or how are you feeling. Cheers Garry Miln
>
> "copperosity" was probably a mispronunciation of "corporosity".
My question is, how do these 15 year old threads re-emerge?
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 01:20:37 -0700 (PDT), garry...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, June 1, 2017 at 8:09:44 PM UTC+12, garry...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 18, 2002 at 6:35:03 AM UTC+12, Mike Schwitzgebel wrote:
>> Sorry I'm not familiar with this format and I think I hit a wrong button. My Mother's family came from England to New Zealand in the later 1800's. My Mother had been a nurse also in the 1930's. I assumed it meant something like how is your health or how are you feeling. Cheers Garry Miln
>
> "copperosity" was probably a mispronunciation of "corporosity".
--
Paul.
https://paulc.es/
https://asetrad.org
John Ritson
Jun 2, 2017, 10:51:42 AM6/2/17
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In article <epda80...@mid.individual.net>, Paul Carmichael
<wibble...@gmail.com> writes
People using Google Groups.
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Peter T. Daniels
Jun 2, 2017, 12:04:34 PM6/2/17
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On Friday, June 2, 2017 at 10:51:42 AM UTC-4, John Ritson wrote:
> In article <epda80...@mid.individual.net>, Paul Carmichael
> In article <epda80...@mid.individual.net>, Paul Carmichael
> >My question is, how do these 15 year old threads re-emerge?
>
> People using Google Groups.
>
> --
> John Ritson
No, THEY ARE NOT USING GOOGLE GROUPS. If they were, at least one of them
>
> People using Google Groups.
>
> --
> John Ritson
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