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JIGSAW1695

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Mar 13, 2002, 5:37:23 PM3/13/02
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Please see the lst sentence and then my comment.

Time finally ran out for Tracy Housel shortly before half-past-seven on Tuesday
evening.

Strapped down to his death bed, with intravenous tubes plugged into both arms,
feeding a cocktail of lethal chemicals into his bloodstream, it took some
minutes for him to die.

The first injection, of the sedative sodium pentothal, was administered to
Housel in the execution chamber at Georgia Diagnostic and Classification Prison
at 1917 (0017 GMT).

There followed a dose of pavulon, a drug designed to paralyse the lungs, and
finally potassium chloride, which stops the heart. Housel, who had been
sentenced to death in 1986 for the murder of Jeanne Drew, was eventually
declared dead at 1928 (0028 GMT).

He had fought his case almost to the last. Having failed to disentangle himself
from the clutches of Death Row by asserting his British nationality, Housel
went to the courts claiming a violation of human rights.

But when the United States Supreme Court turned down his appeal at about 1730,
all his options had run out.

Old stories

It had already been a deeply harrowing day for Housel's friends and family -
his mother, Lula Mae Pellerin, and 20-year-old son, Randall Housel, were with
him until mid-afternoon.

"There were no signs of panic," said his friend Gary Proctor. "Tracy did most
of the talking. His eyes lit up with old stories of driving Harleys through
Dakota."

But by the time his final appeal was refused, Housel was on his own, waiting in
the holding room immediately next door to the death chamber.


Housel refused a sedative

He had already eaten most of his last meal - at his request, steak, baked
potato, corn, salad and a milkshake - and was sitting quietly with the prison
chaplain, while the TV flickered in the background.

"Very nervous, very edgy," was his mood at the time, according to Michael
Light, of the Georgia Department of Corrections.

Housel had turned down the offer of a sedative and "resigned himself to his
fate", said Mr Light.

Whether it was nerves or something else, by the time the 43-year-old Housel
entered the execution chamber his mood had lightened a little.

Last words

The room was filled with people: six prison officers, two nurses, a doctor, the
chaplain, and the execution warden. Housel chatted to the warden and even
winked at him, as he was strapped to the gurney.

As his eyes darted around the chamber, Housel seemed to be absorbing details of
his environment. The prison chaplain addressed him with two readings - Psalm 23
followed by the Second Corinthians, chapter five, verse 17.

Then the small group filed out to an adjoining room while selected witnesses,
including two friends of Housel's - Walt Britt, his original trial lawyer, and
Mr Proctor, took their seats behind a window. The family of Housel's victim
were not at the prison.


Friends witnessed Housel's execution

After his death warrant was read out, Housel spoke his last words.

"To the family of Jeanne Drew, I'm sorry from the very centre of my heart. My
family, my friends, to my brothers, you take care of yourselves and may God be
with you."

As dusk turned to darkness outside on a chilly and damp Georgia evening, two
prison staff remotely administered the series of lethal injections.

A quarter of a mile away, by the gates of the jail, a huddle of about 10
Amnestey International protesters staged a silent candle-lit vigil. "Georgia,
the world is watching," read a placard held by one of the abolishonists.

With the fluids now seeping into his circulation, Housel smiled at the chaplain
and fixing his gaze on his two friends, he lifted his head and appeared to
mouth the words "I love you".

His eyes closed, and as his chest went into violent palpitations his body
appeared to gasp desperately several times for breath. Shortly afterwards
Housel was declared dead.

About half-an-hour later, Gary Proctor emerged from the witness room to face
the press. With eyes rimmed red through tears and speaking with a thin,
despondent voice, he tried to convey the experience of just having witnessed
his friend's execution.

"It's so pointless," said Mr Proctor. "Tonight no one rose from the ashes like
a phoenix."
==========================

Pointless, hell. The point was made. Kill someone and get punished for it.


Jigsaw

A Plenary Verbositor

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"JIGSAW1695" wrote:

I doubt you would die as well in support of even a *worthy* cause, Jigsaw. I
think instead you'd be dragged off to execution blubbering and shrieking
like a chickenshit, incapable of dying like a man.


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OtheRDAS

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Mar 26, 2002, 1:06:12 AM3/26/02
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>From: "A Plenary Verbositor" abc...@abcxyz.com

> Pointless, hell. The point was made. Kill someone and get punished for it.
>
> Jigsaw

I doubt you would die as well in support of even a *worthy* cause, Jigsaw. I
think instead you'd be dragged off to execution blubbering and shrieking
like a chickenshit, incapable of dying like a man.

=========

totally irrelevant to the statement about it's not being pointless. This scum
killed somebody and was executed for it. POINT for Civilization, the law will
be enforced. How somebody else would cope with being sent to death is hardly
related to the argument pro or con and seems a lot more like name
calling/insulting. Please try and show more class. As for dying like a man, he
should have taken responsibility for his crime more and not have tried some
absurd "Human rights violation", which clearly is not supported by current law
here in the US. He may have "died like a man" but he killed like an animal. An
important distinction between him and the poster you are verbally abusing.

otherdas

JIGSAW1695

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Subject: Re: Pointless, Hell!
From: othe...@aol.com (OtheRDAS)
Date: 3/25/2002 10:06 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <20020326010612...@mb-mp.aol.com>

>From: "A Plenary Verbositor" abc...@abcxyz.com

> Pointless, hell. The point was made. Kill someone and get punished for it.
>
> Jigsaw

I doubt you would die as well in support of even a *worthy* cause, Jigsaw. I
think instead you'd be dragged off to execution blubbering and shrieking
like a chickenshit, incapable of dying like a man.

===========================

I dont think so PB and I will tell you why. I have tasted fear that was so
powerful that it reached a point where I was unafraid of anything. Until you
have experienced that state of mind, you will fear death. Once you have
accepted it, it no longer has any meaning other than a mere loss of place and
time.

JIGSAW1695

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Subject: Re: Pointless, Hell!
From: Desmond Coughlan pasdespa...@noos.fr
Date: 3/26/2002 3:50 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <slrnaa0og4.aua.p...@tortue.voute.net>

Le 26 Mar 2002 07:09:35 GMT, JIGSAW1695 <jigsa...@aol.com> a écrit :

{ snip }

> I dont think so PB and I will tell you why. I have tasted fear that was so
> powerful that it reached a point where I was unafraid of anything. Until you
> have experienced that state of mind, you will fear death. Once you have
> accepted it, it no longer has any meaning other than a mere loss of place and
> time.

I'm not sure that the statement, 'until you have experienced that state of
mind, you will fear death' is accurate, Jigsaw. I have personally never
felt the terror of imminent death, yet I do not fear death.

--
Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1

=============================

Good for you Dezi. We are so proud for you.


A Planet Visitor

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"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@noos.fr> wrote in message
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> Le 26 Mar 2002 07:09:35 GMT, JIGSAW1695 <jigsa...@aol.com> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > I dont think so PB and I will tell you why. I have tasted fear that was so
> > powerful that it reached a point where I was unafraid of anything. Until you
> > have experienced that state of mind, you will fear death. Once you have
> > accepted it, it no longer has any meaning other than a mere loss of place
and
> > time.
>
> I'm not sure that the statement, 'until you have experienced that state of

> mind, you will fear death' is accurate, Jigsaw. I have personally never
> felt the terror of imminent death, yet I do not fear death.
>

This from the guy who ALSO wrote --
"I'm have thought that it would be the opposite, Lucas: those
with the ... ahem ... 'balls', would be the ones claiming that
they'd 'take it like a man'. Personally, the guards would
have a job holding me down, as the litres of excreta that
would be covering my legs, would make it difficult
for them to grab a hold of me ..."

Of course, this was at a time when dezi fancied himself
a 'network engineer.' What a hypocrite. The list keeps
growing.


PV

> --
> Desmond Coughlan |DP SUPPORTER #1

A Planet Visitor

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"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@noos.fr> wrote in message
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> Le Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:02:59 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> a
écrit :


<clipped>

dezilu writes ---


> >> I have personally never
> >> felt the terror of imminent death, yet I do not fear death.

PV wonders --


> > This from the guy who ALSO wrote --
> > "I'm have thought that it would be the opposite, Lucas: those
> > with the ... ahem ... 'balls', would be the ones claiming that
> > they'd 'take it like a man'. Personally, the guards would
> > have a job holding me down, as the litres of excreta that
> > would be covering my legs, would make it difficult
> > for them to grab a hold of me ..."
> >
> > Of course, this was at a time when dezi fancied himself
> > a 'network engineer.'
>

dezilu remarks --
> Or perhaps this was from the time when Jedro was too much of
> a dumb****
> hic to see the difference between death by natural causes, and death at
> the hands of a vengeful and shortsighted electorate. Oh wait, we're still
> in that time ... what a pity.
>
PV remarks --
Ummm... let's get one thing perfectly clear here... DEATH is
DEATH. Or would you deny that as well?

<pathetic whine by deziu for 'dirt' to PLEASE come back and
help dezi emerge from his logical haze clipped>

PV observes --
dezi claims to 'not fear death,' but in the next instant
claims that seeing such coming toward him would cause
him to cover his legs with litres of his own excreta.
Poor, delusional dezilu... He doesn't have a clue.

PV

> Desmond Coughlan |CLUELESS #1

William Robert

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Mar 26, 2002, 6:51:46 PM3/26/02
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On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:57:38 +0000, Desi Coughlan <goatbo...@noos.fr> wrote:

>We just sit back, hands behind head, getting that blowjob from Jigsaw's niece,
and watch you dig
>the hole for yourself, obligingly get into it, and start to pull the earth
>onto yourself.

Desi, if your 'wife' is no longer responsive to your needs, maybe you should
change her battery?

William Robert


enigmacat

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Mar 26, 2002, 7:18:34 PM3/26/02
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As i read this harrowing and sickening display of "legal murder" i
pictured you in an almost orgasmic state of ecstasy as each and every
second of this man's violent death was played out before your eager
eyes. How on earth can you retentionists derive such pleasure and glee
from the death of another human being?

i'll shut up now before John Rennie tells me i've gabbed on too long.
Suffice it to say i find this entire display of inhumanity and cruelty
positively frightening.

How do you sleep at night?

sincerely,
jane

A Planet Visitor

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"enigmacat" <nothg...@wwdc.com> wrote in message
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Since you have such deep feelings for murderers, and little
feeling for their victims, perhaps my little comment on a
particular murderer might put YOU in an 'almost orgasmic
state of ecstasy.' This particular case caused me to lose
some sleep at night... not for the murderer, but for the
victim.
So let me interject the facts of this particular murder --

VICTIM ...AMY SUE SEITZ

On the morning of March 14, in Ventura County community
of Camarillo, twenty-four month old Amy Sue Seitz,
blonde-haired and blue-eyed, was being dropped off at the
home of a relative who cared for her during the week, while
her mother worked.
While Amy's relative was busy upstairs with housework, little
Amy watched cartoons on television, then fell asleep on the
living room couch.
When the relative heard the downstairs front door close, she
thought nothing of it. Amy Sue, she assumed, had awakened
and decided to play in the front yard. Minutes later, the
relative came back downstairs and went out into the yard to
find Amy. She was not there. When she called out, "Amy
Sue! Amy Sue!" She got no answer. She began searching
the streets, yelling at the top of her lungs for Amy Sue Seitz.
But the tiny tot, only thirty-two inches tall and weighing a
mere 32 pounds, had disappeared.
Approximately 28 miles from where 24 month old Amy Sue
had last been seen, Fred Straylaw looked out his bedroom
window and saw his two dogs with something bloody in the
driveway. He called the dogs and locked them inside. He
went immediately back out to see what his dogs had been
playing with.......
Using palm prints, the M.E. identified her as twenty-four
month old Amy Sue Seitz.

The M.E.'s report stated:
1- Amy Sue had been forced to drink alcohol.
2- Amy Sue had been raped.
3- Amy Sue had been punched in the face full force.
4- Amy Sue suffered massive brain hemorrhage.
5- Amy Sue had extensive skull fractures.
6- Amy Sue's skin had been peeled from her body with vise-grips or
pliers while she was still alive.
7- Amy Sue had been strangled to death.

After an extensive search and with the help of one witness
who had seen the suspect prior to Amy Sue's disappearance,
rape, torture and murder, the police had the lead they needed.
The suspect's name was Theodore Francis Frank.
He was 43 years old.

This is what was learned about Theodore Frank:
1- Frank's most recent arrest had been in connection with the
molestation of an eight-year-old girl.
2- Theodore Frank had spent 14 years locked up in
hospitals or prisons in Missouri and California.
3- Six weeks after he was released from Atascadero, where
he was doing time for raping a four year old child, Amy
Sue Seitz was raped, tortured, and murdered.
4- After Amy's Death Frank was arrested for two other molestations in
the San Fernando Valley! He was convicted in those two cases.
5- In 1958, he was arrested and charged with fondling a ten year old
girl in front of a church.
6- Two years later he was once again a free man!
7- In the 1960s, Frank was charged with several sex offences.
8- He served a second hospital term and another Missouri prison term.
9- In Illinois, when he was questioned about several sex related crimes
and child molestation and murder of a seven-year-old boy in
Missouri, he fled to California.
10- In Bakersfield in 1974, Frank was convicted of molesting a small
boy and was sent to Atascadero. At Atascadero, a report by a
psychologist stated that "Frank is a chronic, habitual child
molester whose patterns are almost impossible to change."
11- While Theodore Frank was at Atascadero, he wrote this in a
notebook; "Why do I want to degrade and humiliate children?
Sadism...I enjoy the humiliation. Defile the innocent. Make them
scared of sex. It's dirty. I didn't have a happy childhood,
neither will they...Revenge."
12- On January 17, police went to Frank's apartment with an arrest
warrant. They discovered he was being held in L. A. County Jail,
charged with the molestation of still another child!
13- Theodore Frank had been recently sentenced to eight years in prison
in connection with the molestation of more adolescent females.
Those incidents had occurred five months AFTER Amy Sue's tragic
death.

Theodore Frank's trial got underway on November 5, one year and eight
months after Amy Sue Seitz's brutal murder. Frank was charged with
kidnapping, rape, child molestation, and first-degree murder. The Los
Angeles County M.E., Dr. Manuel Breton, testified that little Amy's
nipples had been pinched horribly with pliers or vise grips. "There was
not only damage to the nipple itself, but there was also the imprint of
the weapon". Asked whether the child was alive during this torture, the
doctor somberly answered, "Yes, she was."

The doctor further testified that Amy had been raped, had suffered
several vicious blows to her skull. Bruises on her neck were
characteristic of manual strangling, and, beneath these, he said,
he found a fracture of the hyoid bone of the voice box and bruising
of soft tissues behind.

On November 26, a nine-year-old girl testified that she had been
kidnapped by Frank four months AFTER Amy Sue's death. She
said he drove her to an isolated area, stripped her, and attacked
her. She said she was forced to drink beer by Frank and he
pinched her breasts. "He took my panties and tried to stuff them
down my throat," the child told the court.

Seven days into the trial, a pair of vise-grips that had been found
during the search of Frank's apartment,were entered into evidence.
Jurors gasped as an expert gave a description of how the pliers
could apply 2,000 pounds of pressure when clamped tight. On
December 15, the seven-man, five-woman jury found Theodore
Frank guilty of rape, child molestation, kidnapping, and murder.

On January 7, almost two years since the rape, torture and
murder of little 24 month old Amy Sue, jurors had no difficulty
in deciding Frank's fate. They quickly voted that the convicted
baby-killer should be executed.

That is what is called "JUSTICE" for Amy Sue and all of the other
victims ....if the sentence were carried out.

Did you think this just happened? If you did, you would be wrong.
This torture, rape, and murder of twenty-four month old Amy Sue
happened in 1978!

Four years after his first trial, the State Supreme Court upheld
Theodore Frank's conviction, but over-turned the death penalty.

Seven years after this brutal murder, in 1985, a second penalty
hearing was held, again Frank was sentenced to death.

In 1990, the State Supreme Court unanimously voted to uphold
the death sentence.

Was that sentence ever carried out? Not on your life.
On 6 September, 2001, 23 years, 5 months, and 23 days after
Theodore Frank raped, tortured and murdered Amy Sue Seitz,
he died of natural causes. He was found by prison guards in
his small cell dead of an apparent heart attack. The 66-year-old
had a history of heart trouble and received open heart surgery
at state expense several years ago. It was reported that he
died with a smile on his face.

That this monster was NOT EXECUTED is a stain on our
morality as a species. No other species in the animal
kingdom, demonstrates such monstrous behavior. And we
are only little better than him if we presume he had the
right to breath the same air as we do for those 23 years,
5 months, and 23 days, and end his life in natural death,
as we would all hope to go as easily and as painlessly.

PV


> sincerely,
> jane
>

enigmacat

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Mar 27, 2002, 6:28:27 AM3/27/02
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PV, here you go *again* calling me a "murderer lover." Just what logic
are you implementing to reach such a ridiculous conclusion? And
please---searching and finding the most heinous of crimes---the murder
of a child---is nothing short of slinging mud and throwing your
retentionist views back in my face.

i simply said that the DP is cruel and unusual and that those who
support and believe in it aren't any different than the killers they
love to see executed.

Just what evidence do you have that i would be ecstatic about that
poor little girl's vicious murder? i have already posted that i adore
my 4-year-old niece. Do you honestly think i would crow with delight
if she had been that man's victim?

You are not playing fair, PV. Hauling out all your emotional
ammunition to argue your point for loving the DP is, as they say,
lower than low.

i gave you more credit than that.

sincerely,
jane

John Rennie

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"enigmacat" <nothg...@wwdc.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:00:09 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
> <abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote:
>
snipped

>
> >>
> PV, here you go *again* calling me a "murderer lover." Just what logic
> are you implementing to reach such a ridiculous conclusion? And
> please---searching and finding the most heinous of crimes---the murder
> of a child---is nothing short of slinging mud and throwing your
> retentionist views back in my face.
>
> i simply said that the DP is cruel and unusual and that those who
> support and believe in it aren't any different than the killers they
> love to see executed.

You call that a simple statement? I call it the statement of a buffoon.
Like Desmond, whom you ape so successfully, you never hesitate
to impugn the motives of those whom support capital punishment.
Why do you bother to post on this news group? Do you do so just
to vent your feelings and your hatred of those who support the
DP or do you do so in order to argue the merits of incarceration
or other punishments as against executions. If the latter is your
intention, I suggest forcibly that you cease saying that those who
support the DP, who include just as many decent men and women
as those who are against it, are no different from killers. I expect
you to take absolutely no notice of this post which is why I and
others here will continue to treat your posts with the derision you
deserve.


A Planet Visitor

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Wow!!!

PV

A Planet Visitor

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"enigmacat" <nothg...@wwdc.com> wrote in message
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Since you clipped YOUR comment regarding the description
of an EXECUTION of a murderer, let me again put it it --

"As i read this harrowing and sickening display of "legal murder" i
pictured you in an almost orgasmic state of ecstasy as each and every
second of this man's violent death was played out before your eager
eyes. How on earth can you retentionists derive such pleasure and glee
from the death of another human being?

i'll shut up now before John Rennie tells me i've gabbed on too long.
Suffice it to say i find this entire display of inhumanity and cruelty
positively frightening.

How do you sleep at night?"

Clearly I become infuriated when someone claims the execution
of a murderer can be seen as "legal murder." Perhaps you
would have seen the execution of Theodore Frank to be "legal
murder" as well. Since you became so upset at the vivid
description of an execution, I felt it needed a little perspective
as to what is "illegal murder."

Tell me, dear. Rather than becoming hysterical in viewing what
IS 'murder,' can you answer a few rather simple questions? Should
Theodore Frank have ESCAPED the Justice of being executed
that he so richly deserved? Did we do ourselves a MORAL
favor by maintaining him for 23 years, 5 months, and 23 days?
Did we enhance our species by providing him with open heart surgery
while on DR? Did we ASSIST him in dying with a smile on
his lips, as he remembered the enjoyment he gained with the
brutal (too mild a word, but there IS no suitable adjective)
murder of Amy Sue and quite probably a number of other
children?

PV

> sincerely,
> jane
>
>

A Planet Visitor

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"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@noos.fr> wrote in message
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> Le Tue, 26 Mar 2002 21:13:19 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> a
écrit :
>
> { snip }

>
> >> Or perhaps this was from the time when Jedro was too much of
> >> a dumb****
> >> hic to see the difference between death by natural causes, and death at
> >> the hands of a vengeful and shortsighted electorate. Oh wait, we're still
> >> in that time ... what a pity.
>
> > Ummm... let's get one thing perfectly clear here... DEATH is
> > DEATH. Or would you deny that as well?
>
> You ****ing idiot ... LOL ... get back out of that ditch, Jedro, and stop
> pulling the earth onto yourself. You're a humiliation to 'man'kind.
>
ROTFLMAO... Have I 'struck a nerve,' or 'have I struck a nerve'?
Poor dezi... caught with his pants down (literally). And not
knowing whether to 'shit or go blind' when faced with death,
but needing to claim he doesn't 'fear' it. Yet he ALREADY
knows death. It is a kind of death to live in the wretchedness
of character that he possesses.

> { snip }


>
> > dezi claims to 'not fear death,' but in the next instant
> > claims that seeing such coming toward him would cause
> > him to cover his legs with litres of his own excreta.
> > Poor, delusional dezilu... He doesn't have a clue.
>

> Desmond does not fear death, but would resist all attempts by his
> government (or anyone else for that matter) to choose the moment of his
> death.

dezi's idea of resisting 'all attempts by his government (blah..blah)
to choose the moment of his death,' essentially involves crapping
his pants hoping the stink will drive them away. It could work!
Considering who is doing the dump. Face it, dezi... you're
scared shitless (literally) of death. Your contradictory words
have already brought you out of 'the closet' in respect to your
fear of death. It's a common psychosis called thanatophobia.
But then you have more than your share of phobias.

>
> Boy, Jedro, reassure me: you're not _really_ this 'stoopid', are you ?

As another once remarked -- dezi's not afraid to die...he
just doesn't want to be there when it happens.

PV


> Desmond Coughlan |AFRAID TO DIE #1

A Planet Visitor

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"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@noos.fr> wrote in message
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> Le Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:49:12 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> a
écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > Wow!!!
>
> Still looking for a friend, I see, Jedro ...
>
Still at a loss for original thought, I see, dezi....

PV

> --
> Desmond Coughlan |LONELY BOY #1

Mr Q. Z. Diablo

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Mar 28, 2002, 8:48:06 PM3/28/02
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In article <3ca1ab5a...@news.lon.imag.net>, nothg...@wwdc.com
(enigmacat) wrote:

And, in doing so, you've answere PV's straw man with a straw man of your
own. He's presented your view as one that "loves murderers" and you've
presented his view as one that takes delight in the execution of human
beings. I doubt that either of these things are your actual respective
positions.

Hardly sin-bin offences around here but you can both consider yourselves
"told."

Mr Q. Z. D.
--
Drinker, systems administrator, wannabe writer, musician and all-round bastard.
"My parents always told me I could be what I wanted to be. ((o))
So I became a complete bastard." ((O))

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"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <dia...@prometheus.humsoc.utas.edu.au> wrote in message
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> In article <3ca1ab5a...@news.lon.imag.net>, nothg...@wwdc.com
> (enigmacat) wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:00:09 GMT, "A Planet Visitor"
> > <abc...@abcxyz.com> wrote:
>
> > i simply said that the DP is cruel and unusual and that those who
> > support and believe in it aren't any different than the killers they
> > love to see executed.
>
> And, in doing so, you've answere PV's straw man with a straw man of your
> own. He's presented your view as one that "loves murderers" and you've
> presented his view as one that takes delight in the execution of human
> beings. I doubt that either of these things are your actual respective
> positions.
>

Once again, we need to put this in the proper ORDER. The
FIRST comment between enigmacat and PV, was by enigmacat,
where she wrote in remarking on a post of Jigsaw --

"As i read this harrowing and sickening display of "legal murder" i
pictured you in an almost orgasmic state of ecstasy as each and every
second of this man's violent death was played out before your eager
eyes. How on earth can you retentionists derive such pleasure and glee
from the death of another human being?"

Now if you don't see THAT as a strawman argument to the
original post of another, I don't know how to help you. The
words 'legal murder,' and 'orgasmic state of ecstasy' should
provide you some clues. I then responded with a counter-example
of the murder of Amy Sue Seitz. And if you see THAT as a
strawman, then again, I don't know how to help you.

PV

A Planet Visitor

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"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@noos.fr> wrote in message
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> Le Fri, 29 Mar 2002 01:07:56 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> a
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>

> >> > Wow!!!
>
> >> Still looking for a friend, I see, Jedro ...
>
> > Still at a loss for original thought, I see, dezi....
>
> This is too easy ...
>
Yes, it is... too easy for me to show you up for the
rather frightening and frightened little toad you are.
Reduced to responding with a few meaningless words,
usually found in kindergarten playgrounds, in your
obsession of responding to every post I direct toward you.
Even though your responses contain not a scintilla
of sense. You belong... body and soul... to a flock of
mangy sheep.

PV


> Desmond Coughlan |DIP SHIT #1

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"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@noos.fr> wrote in message
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> Le Fri, 29 Mar 2002 01:07:53 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@abcxyz.com> a
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>

> >> >> Or perhaps this was from the time when Jedro was too much of
> >> >> a dumb****
> >> >> hic to see the difference between death by natural causes, and death at
> >> >> the hands of a vengeful and shortsighted electorate. Oh wait, we're
still
> >> >> in that time ... what a pity.
>
> >> > Ummm... let's get one thing perfectly clear here... DEATH is
> >> > DEATH. Or would you deny that as well?
>
> >> You ****ing idiot ... LOL ... get back out of that ditch, Jedro, and stop
> >> pulling the earth onto yourself. You're a humiliation to 'man'kind.
>
> > ROTFLMAO... Have I 'struck a nerve,' or 'have I struck a nerve'?
>
> Unsurprisingly enough, no. You've just made us all laugh again. How do
> you get food and drink down there, Jedro ?
>
Oh... I've hit a nerve all right... You hold yourself up as 'not
afraid of death,' in one post... in sheer stupid self-adoration.
Yet provide a totally different view of how you REALLY see
death, when faced with it. Liters of excrement running down
your trouser leg. So much for 'principles' --- proving you have
none. Death, dezi -- tall, pale, bony fingered, hooded
death is coming to get you... be afraid... be VERY afraid. Of
course... the real wonder is, that given your personality, how
have you managed to stay alive as long as you have? Face
it, dezi... you're now a PROVEN hypocrite. And one day
closer to death... commence dribbling in your drawers.

spank...spank....spank.

PV


> Desmond Coughlan |HYPOCRITE #1

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