You couldn't invent this.
Stephen Rainsbury
Mother1: "Stephen we need to speak to you"
SL: "Whats the problem?"
Mother2: "I don't think that Damien1 and Damien2 will be coming to scouts
anymore"
SL "Oh, why is that?
Mother1: "They don't like the way you go camping"
Mother2 "Its the food, there isn't enough choice"
SL: They all get to pick the menu
Mother2 That's the problem, only one menu, there is no choice
SL But they all get to vote
Mother1 But that means they have to eat what other people want most of
the time, and the choices are already limited.
<sound effect - fire door burst open outwards behind stage left>
SL Limited? they can cook whatever they want
Mother2 But they don't have an oven or a grill, so its really limited
<sound effect - ASL wetting himself laughing outside fire door>
Mother1 Its not funny!
Mother2 Don't you realise how distressing it is for them not to eat,
don't you notice that they always come home hungry!!
SL Well what would you do?
Mother1 For a start why don't you ask them in the morning what they want
and then cook it for them in groups each night, they already cook in groups
so why not get the food they want?
SL So you want us to go shopping each day, and then re-arrange
the patrols based on the food they wanted that morning?
Mother2 I have to do it, its only a matter of being organised
<sound effect drum roll>
Mother1 Well send one of the women with the girls they would enjoy
shopping each day....
<sound effect - ASL having to use ventolin because he has laughed so much >
Now this sounds funny to us, but I don't think the parents would get the
joke.
--
--
Stephen Rainsbury
SL 8th Gillingham
DSL/DESA Gillingham District
Ewan Scott
Not laughing. Why the hell do we bother!
Ewan Scott
Steve
"Stephen Rainsbury" <ste...@rainsbury.net> wrote in message
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> This is the script one of our PLs came up with for our AGM show.
>
They should find it funny, if they don't then that is why we sometimes
struggle! Personally ia m trying to stop laughing! What a perseptive PL
you have.
Steve
Stephen Rainsbury
"Ewan Scott" <ew...@NOTscotia57.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >This is the script one of our PLs came up with for our AGM show.
> >
> >Now this sounds funny to us, but I don't think the parents would get the
> >joke.
> >
> Not laughing. Why the hell do we bother!
Err its not real... just my PLs view of scout parents.
He eats EVERYTHING at camp and gets wound up by kids who get fussy, but then
he comes from a low income background where they can't afford to be fussy.
andy
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Sound remarkably like areal exchange I had with a parent over the phone when
Little darling refused to eat for 3 days.
Mrs X, I'd like to have a word about Jimmy.
Yes
He won't eat and I am getting a little worried about him
Oh
He claims that he only eats McDonalds and Pizzas which I find hard to
believe.
Oh yes, and stuff from some chip shops. Does he not like the chips you make?
We don't make chips, this is a greenfield campsite.
What about Pizzas?
We have no ovens.
Is there not a McDonalds?
The nearest one is in Perth, about 35 miles away.
Can't you drive there?
You want us to drive the minibus on a 70 mile round trip for a drivethrough?
It should only take an hour or so
We don't have the people to spare from a daily trip to McDonalds, besides
the van costs 50p per mile. That's a £25 per days cost for one person's
food, we can't afford it.
Well what about phoning out for a takeaway pizza?
I doubt that Domino's Pizza will deliver to "Left at the bridge and fourth
gate on the left up the hill"
What if we bring him a pizza?
Every night?
Yes
You are offering to drive a 200 mile round trip every night to deliver a
pizza to Jimmy?
Yes, it's only for 4 more days.
We don't normally allow parents to visit because of homesickness issues.
I think that you could at least be a little accomodating, my son has
specials dietary needs.
Dietary needs refer to people who may die from eating the wrong food not
fussy eaters.
I don't think that is fair, my son has special needs that you are not
addressing.
Did you put his special dietary needs for junk food on the medical form?
No
Will he suffer harm without a pizza or a big mac?
no.
By the end of the week he was eating with the rest of us.
Parents!
Funnily enough he stuck with us and loves his scouting. His mum never, ever
speaks to me - I try to live with the pain that it brings.
Andy
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<snip tale>
rolf ... :o)
> Did you put his special dietary needs for junk food on the medical
> form?
> No
I use a similar line when Scouts decide they don't like something, followed
by 'if you don't eat proper meals you don't visit the tuck shop'. They soon
eat up!
Pete
--
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SL, 3rd Whitstable
Canterbury Saracens Network (www.saracensnetwork.org.uk)
Manky Badger
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> "Stephen Rainsbury" <ste...@rainsbury.net> wrote in message
> news:c4mhlq$2im0sa$1...@ID-100795.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > This is the script one of our PLs came up with for our AGM show.
>
> Sound remarkably like areal exchange I had with a parent over the phone
when
> Little darling refused to eat for 3 days.
>
> Mrs X, I'd like to have a word about Jimmy.
> Yes
> He won't eat and I am getting a little worried about him
> Oh
> He claims that he only eats McDonalds and Pizzas which I find hard to
> believe.
> Oh yes, and stuff from some chip shops.
Many years ago at a Boys Brigade camp we had a lad who didn't like "food".
Every night for years mum sent him to the chip shop for his dinner.
At BB camp he refused to eat, but we were miles from anywhere & he had no
option.
After two days of eating nothing & crying a lot he grudgingly tried some
"food".
At the end of the week he told me "food's alright" !
MB
notgonehome
up the site and asked if they could go to the chip shop i agreed and a six
mile walk to the chipy and a six mile walk back to camp.
next evening my idea of a chip supper did not go down well at all.
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Steve
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>
> I use a similar line when Scouts decide they don't like something,
followed
> by 'if you don't eat proper meals you don't visit the tuck shop'. They
soon
> eat up!
>
I have heard of a special need listed on the form "Must watch
Neighbours/Home and Away whilst eating dinner" !!!!!! Maybe they should
have had camp in a Hilton Hotel?!
Broooz
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> I have heard of a special need listed on the form "Must watch
> Neighbours/Home and Away whilst eating dinner" !!!!!! Maybe they should
> have had camp in a Hilton Hotel?!
Are the leaders allowed to stay at the Hilton too?
fa...@reply-address.com
On 4-Apr-2004, "Steve" <steve....@blueyonderXYZ.co.uk> wrote:
> I have heard of a special need listed on the form "Must watch
> Neighbours/Home and Away whilst eating dinner" !!!!!! Maybe they should
> have had camp in a Hilton Hotel?!
Take the Scout to a centre of excleence!
Ewan Scott
<ste...@rainsbury.net> wrote:
>
>"Ewan Scott" <ew...@NOTscotia57.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:q7qt60pjm91bvesu2...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:28:26 +0100, "Stephen Rainsbury"
>> <ste...@rainsbury.net> wrote:
>>
>
>> >This is the script one of our PLs came up with for our AGM show.
>
>> >
>> >Now this sounds funny to us, but I don't think the parents would get the
>> >joke.
>> >
>> Not laughing. Why the hell do we bother!
>
>Err its not real... just my PLs view of scout parents.
>
>He eats EVERYTHING at camp and gets wound up by kids who get fussy, but then
>he comes from a low income background where they can't afford to be fussy.
>
Sorry mate, virtually lost the plot just now. I think I might need
medication :-(
Ewan Scott
Dave
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selection of options - it was a packed lunch due to activities that were on
site. We had a Scout who decided one day that he wanted a certain filling
that was in short supply and the SL asked people to use it only if they
really wanted it as it was his favourite. Having taken the last of it he
decided that he didn't want it after all.
He had a long afternoon - whilst the others were doing activities, not just
because of his spite (which it was) but because he wouldn't eat any of his
chosen meal.
DaveB
West Yorks
PATTERSON JILL
them the kit to build mud ovens at Summer Camp. Anybody tried this and did
it work?
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Steve Spicer
"PATTERSON JILL" wrote:
> Our Scouts complain about the lack of Pizza at camp and so we are giving
> them the kit to build mud ovens at Summer Camp. Anybody tried this and did
> it work?
Yes, but it takes a long time to build them properly. Pizzas didn't turn out
too well- the oven wasn't really hot enough. They cooked, but slowly and
were a bit burnt by the time they were cooked through. However, have done
cookies and cakes and even a roast chicken at one point in the past which
all turned out better.
We found by trial and error that you want as long a chimney as possible- we
made ours out of rice pudding tins joined together with binding tape used to
repair car exhausts. We use a chimney of around 4 ft in height.
Good luck,
--
Steve Spicer
Aspley Guise Scouts SL
http://www.aspleyguisescouts.org.uk
Stephen Rainsbury
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> Our Scouts complain about the lack of Pizza at camp and so we are giving
> them the kit to build mud ovens at Summer Camp. Anybody tried this and did
> it work?
I have this theory that you could make a passable "pizza" by cutting a large
white bap in half, filing it with cheese, tomato sauce etc.. plus the normal
toppings. Wrap this in foil and place on embers for a time (no idea how
long) and this might turn out close enough to pizza.
Alternatively it might not.
Stephen Rainsbury
My PL gets wound up by kids who are fussy eaters (because he can't afford to
be) and their mothers who seem to think that camping is "roughing it" if you
have less than three courses and 4 menu options.
He wanted to put this on a sketch at the AGM show to tray and get the
message across to them, but I don't think that they would see the funny
side.
He told me Friday night, while we were climbing (inside the now famous
Buckmore Park Sports Centre) that he loves the fact we keep giving him troop
nights to organise. He had no idea there was so much involved and he then
told me that in 4 years time I can retire as he wants to be the SL :-)
Manky Badger
>
> "Ewan Scott" <ew...@NOTscotia57.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 19:49:35 +0100, "Stephen Rainsbury"
> > <ste...@rainsbury.net> wrote:
>
> > Sorry mate, virtually lost the plot just now. I think I might need
> > medication :-(
>
> My PL gets wound up by kids who are fussy eaters (because he can't afford
to
> be) and their mothers who seem to think that camping is "roughing it" if
you
> have less than three courses and 4 menu options.
>
> He wanted to put this on a sketch at the AGM show to tray and get the
> message across to them, but I don't think that they would see the funny
> side.
It's all very well having a good laugh at "the parents" but what a leader
sees as over-protectiveness on the parent's part, a parent may well see as a
"gung-ho" attitude.
And then their child doesn't come along any more.
And all the mums at the coffee mornings & all the dads down the pub hear
horror stories of what goes on at scouts.
Best to keep matey with the parents !!
GL
The same could be said about the relationship between the 'powers that be'
and the grass root Leadership. Keep them happy, listen to their views and
treat them as an important asset and their conversations with friends and
family will be positive, hopefully with the effect that others may be
inclined to join. Treat them like dirt, take no notice of their views.
wishes, aspirations etc and the opposite effect is likely to happen.
--
Graham Lucas. GSL; DEC; Scout Fellowship
A Voice in the wilderness no longer.
Reply to grahamSPOTlucasATblueyonderSPOTcoSPOTuk
A Kerr-Munslow [Mad Hatter]
> I have this theory that you could make a passable "pizza" by cutting a large
> white bap in half, filing it with cheese, tomato sauce etc.. plus the normal
> toppings. Wrap this in foil and place on embers for a time (no idea how
> long) and this might turn out close enough to pizza.
Sounds like calzone to me. Calzone is a folded pizza - think Italian
cornish pasty. Using uncooked pizza dough (thin based pizza) you top it
as normal with your standard pizza toppings, but not going too near the
edge, fold it in half and seal the edges. It's then cooked like a pizza.
The bap method you describe would mean you wouldn't have to worry about
cooking the dough and as long as you don't use any ingredients which have
to be cooked (eg raw meats) then you're home and dry with experimenting
with "how long".
Amanda
Must have an experiment with making real calzone for myself, it's my
favourite type of pizza.
--
White Rabbit: I'm so late! I'm so very, very late!
Mad Hatter: Well no wonder you're late...Why, this clock is exactly
two days slow!
-- Lewis Carroll
Sarennah
> "PATTERSON JILL" <jill.pat...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:cpacc.89$Zq2...@newsfe1-gui.server.ntli.net...
> > Our Scouts complain about the lack of Pizza at camp and so we are giving
> > them the kit to build mud ovens at Summer Camp. Anybody tried this and did
> > it work?
>
> I have this theory that you could make a passable "pizza" by cutting a large
> white bap in half, filing it with cheese, tomato sauce etc.. plus the normal
> toppings. Wrap this in foil and place on embers for a time (no idea how
> long) and this might turn out close enough to pizza.
>
> Alternatively it might not.
>
about 15 mins (and many burnt fingers through checking it - mine not
yp). Slice the bread open to make a pocket, smother with pizza
sauce/passata/tomato puree and stuff with cooked ingrediants: ham,
pineapple, cheese, tomato etc (add fresh marjoram for authentic pizza
flavour). Brush the inside of the foil with oil (and rub with clove
of garlic). Wrap and leave in embers until cheese is thoroughly
melted. Be warned that they will all look the same when cooked,
especially if you have veggies.
Italians do make a folded pizza and call it calzone - this comes out
as a passable imitation.
Have fun
Sarennah
Derek Biddle
<aendr-...@earth.li> writes
>Stephen Rainsbury <ste...@rainsbury.net> wrote:
>> I have this theory that you could make a passable "pizza" by cutting a large
>> white bap in half, filing it with cheese, tomato sauce etc.. plus the normal
>> toppings. Wrap this in foil and place on embers for a time (no idea how
>> long) and this might turn out close enough to pizza.
>
>Sounds like calzone to me. Calzone is a folded pizza - think Italian
>cornish pasty. Using uncooked pizza dough (thin based pizza) you top it
>as normal with your standard pizza toppings, but not going too near the
>edge, fold it in half and seal the edges. It's then cooked like a pizza.
>The bap method you describe would mean you wouldn't have to worry about
>cooking the dough and as long as you don't use any ingredients which have
>to be cooked (eg raw meats) then you're home and dry with experimenting
>with "how long".
>
>Amanda
>Must have an experiment with making real calzone for myself, it's my
>favourite type of pizza.
>
(I thought cakes were your favourite)
--
Derek Biddle
Stephen Rainsbury
"Manky Badger" <stick.t...@wher.the.sun.don't.shine> wrote in message
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>
> It's all very well having a good laugh at "the parents" but what a leader
> sees as over-protectiveness on the parent's part, a parent may well see as
a
> "gung-ho" attitude.
> And then their child doesn't come along any more.
> And all the mums at the coffee mornings & all the dads down the pub hear
> horror stories of what goes on at scouts.
>
> Best to keep matey with the parents !!
Trust me when it comes to parents I use Customer Care 101 at every
opportunity.
(I am even wear a security badge lanyard at work saying "Customer Care" -
Don't I Dave M?)
This is why the sketch won't be part of the show, but I am not going down
the road of starting a short order restaurant at camp.
Stephen Rainsbury
"A Kerr-Munslow [Mad Hatter]" <aendr-...@earth.li> wrote in message
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> Stephen Rainsbury <ste...@rainsbury.net> wrote:
> Amanda
> Must have an experiment with making real calzone for myself, it's my
> favourite type of pizza.
Its ironic really I hate Pizza in all its various disguises.
May favourite Italian is fresh pasta with pesto sauce and LOADS or parmesan,
but the troop reckon it smells like sick and won't touch it. Shame, its dead
easy to prepare, especially if you use a jar :-)
andy
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> Best to keep matey with the parents !!
Not always possible.
I had a parent go nuts at me for letting his son walk down Aviemore main
street and cross the road (at a crossing) on his own.
The kids was 13, had no special needs, was in a group and aviemore is not
barely a small town.
I was irresponsible and reckless apparently.
The scout in question was 3 years away from being able to drive a motor
vehicle and his parents would not let him cross the road on his own.
His son never came back, probably because he had to be driven everywhere and
they refused to drive him to scouts.
Manky Badger
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>
> > Best to keep matey with the parents !!
>
> Not always possible.
> I had a parent go nuts at me for letting his son walk down Aviemore main
> street and cross the road (at a crossing) on his own.
> The kids was 13, had no special needs, was in a group and aviemore is not
> barely a small town.
> I was irresponsible and reckless apparently.
> The scout in question was 3 years away from being able to drive a motor
> vehicle and his parents would not let him cross the road on his own.
>
> His son never came back, probably because he had to be driven everywhere
and
> they refused to drive him to scouts.
This is exactly my point !!!
OK - so these parents are a bit extreme, but ...
Are they that extreme?
In conversation with the cubs tonight it turns out that "William" only ever
leaves the house for school & cubs or when under his mother's beady eye.
When we were talking of the dangers of playing outside he simply could not
conceive of being outside the house without strict direct adult supervision.
Following tactful enquiries it turns out he's not alone. There's at least
half a dozen in our pack, some nearly of scout age whose parents simply will
not let their child outside of the house unless they are under strict
supervision.
It's not how I'm bringing my kids up!
MB
reply@jaceeprint.demon.co.uk marc
ste...@rainsbury.net says...
> Its ironic really I hate Pizza in all its various disguises.
>
> May favourite Italian is fresh pasta with pesto sauce and LOADS or parmesan,
> but the troop reckon it smells like sick and won't touch it. Shame, its dead
> easy to prepare, especially if you use a jar :-)
>
>
A Kerr-Munslow [Mad Hatter]
> In article <c4tlit$u87$1...@the.earth.li>, A Kerr-Munslow [Mad Hatter]
> <aendr-...@earth.li> writes
>>
>>Must have an experiment with making real calzone for myself, it's my
>>favourite type of pizza.
>>
> How would you put the icing on it?
The topping is inside, weren't you listening? :-)
> (I thought cakes were your favourite)
No, cakes are what I need recipes for. My favourite is quite possibly my
special smoked salmon, red onion, mushroom, white wine and cream sauce
with hand made pasta. And, yes, I have done it at camp (even hand-making
the pasta) - we won the cookery competition :-)
Amanda
John McMahon
"A Kerr-Munslow [Mad Hatter]" <aendr-...@earth.li> wrote in message
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> > (I thought cakes were your favourite)
>
> No, cakes are what I need recipes for. My favourite is quite possibly my
> special smoked salmon, red onion, mushroom, white wine and cream sauce
> with hand made pasta. And, yes, I have done it at camp (even hand-making
> the pasta) - we won the cookery competition :-)
>
> Amanda
>
Strange ingredients for a cake, but each to their own ........
A Kerr-Munslow [Mad Hatter]
> "A Kerr-Munslow [Mad Hatter]" <aendr-...@earth.li> wrote in message
> news:c50bi7$hmm$1...@the.earth.li...
>> No, cakes are what I need recipes for. My favourite is quite possibly my
>> special smoked salmon, red onion, mushroom, white wine and cream sauce
>> with hand made pasta. And, yes, I have done it at camp (even hand-making
>> the pasta) - we won the cookery competition :-)
>>
>> Amanda
>>
> Strange ingredients for a cake, but each to their own ........
Well you lot are the ones always clamouring for my cakes. I think only
Richard has tasted any of them. Richard - do you think my cakes are
strange?
John McMahon
I didn't say there was anything wrong with them BUT -
> special smoked salmon, red onion, mushroom, white wine and cream sauce
> with hand made pasta
are somewhat unusual ingredients for a cake ............. :-)
I'll get me cloak.....
Doreen Pechey
> Well you lot are the ones always clamouring for my cakes. I think only
> Richard has tasted any of them. Richard - do you think my cakes are
> strange?
I must have tasted your cakes on The Audrey, and all the cakes on The Audrey were superb. Was the alcyfrolic jelly your creation as well?
Cheers
Doreen
who always was back-to-front
A Kerr-Munslow [Mad Hatter]
> I must have tasted your cakes on
> The Audrey, and all the cakes on The Audrey were superb. Was the
> alcyfrolic jelly your creation as well?
No, I made no cake on the Audrey. I made chocolate pudding. The
alcojelly was nothing to do with me, you know how much I drink!
Paul Harris
<bro...@shotmail.com> writes
wooden pegs and they are difficult to drive into the floor when putting
your tents up.
--
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Paul Harris
<stick.t...@wher.the.sun.don't.shine> writes
>
>In conversation with the cubs tonight it turns out that "William" only ever
>leaves the house for school & cubs or when under his mother's beady eye.
>When we were talking of the dangers of playing outside he simply could not
>conceive of being outside the house without strict direct adult supervision.
>Following tactful enquiries it turns out he's not alone. There's at least
>half a dozen in our pack, some nearly of scout age whose parents simply will
>not let their child outside of the house unless they are under strict
>supervision.
>
>It's not how I'm bringing my kids up!
>
policy for Scouts to be allowed to attend a sleepover without warranted
adult supervision. The young person in question was 11. The Parent was
apparently looking to take the Leaders to task for failing to take due
care and expected that they would be in breach of the rules. We all
have different expectations of what is reasonable and of how capable and
independent the YP should be, those who have been in Scouting will I
hope stand a much better chance of survival in the real world than those
who haven't.
--
Paul Harris
Guide Guider
> No, I made no cake on the Audrey. I made chocolate pudding. The
> alcojelly was nothing to do with me, you know how much I drink!
AHA!!! It was the chocolate pudding that was superb.
Yes, I do know how much you drink, but that does not necessarily prevent you from making a sisterly contribution for those among us who do imbibe just a wee
amount ;-)
Doreen
who is not only back to front, but trying to dull the pain from a big filling this morning with alcyfrol