VOLUSIA CTY, FL, WHAT'S THE DEAL?
Beetwasher
There seem to be several "anomalies" in the vote totals that, perhaps,
have
innocent explanations. But it would be interesting to learn what those
might
be.
Look at this:
There are 10 candidates on the Florida presidential ballot: Bush, Gore,
Nader, Browne, Buchanan, Harris, Phillips, Hagelin, Moorehead, and
McReynolds.
According to the CBSNews.com county-by-county vote totals, there were
198,230 total votes cast for all candidates for president in Volusia
County.
However, there were only a total of 178,973 votes cast for all seven
senate
candidates (the only other statewide contest on the ballot).
The 19,257 total vote difference appears to be unusually high and seems
to
be the largest difference among all counties in the state.
Here's more:
In the presidential balloting in Volusia County, Candidate James E.
Harris
garnered 9,888 votes out of his statewide total of 10,469. Candidate
Howard
Phillips got 2,927 votes in Volusia of his statewide total of 4,280. And
Candidate Harry Browne received 3,211 Volusia votes, by far his best
county
showing in the state where he totaled 18,856.
Add up these three minor party candidates' votes in Volusia County and
they
total 16,026.
Now, remember the unusually high presidential-to-senate total vote
difference of 19,257 in Volusia. The difference between that number and
the
16,026 votes the three minor party candidates got is 3,231, or just
about
what the difference appears to be (on a percentage basis) in the other
Florida counties between president and senate votes cast.
What's so unusual about Volusia County? Is it the home county of Harris,
Browne and Phillips? Are these numbers just quirks? Is something else
going
on?
Just asking.
buc...@webtv.net
whatever reason. some people choose to only vote for some things and not
others, this can explain the difference in voting numbers
Scott Craver
>What is going on with the vote count in Volusia County, Florida?
>Look at this:
>
>There are 10 candidates on the Florida presidential ballot: Bush, Gore,
>Nader, Browne, Buchanan, Harris, Phillips, Hagelin, Moorehead, and
>McReynolds.
Sadly, many of these extra candidates are not included in
many election results; someone looking at CNN.com, for instance,
might never have noticed any anomaly.
I also don't hear about it in the news that much, which
is odd since 16,000 votes is huge. Just the discrepancy
for Harris alone amounts to 3 times the Buchanan anomaly.
>Here's more:
>
>In the presidential balloting in Volusia County, Candidate James E.
>Harris garnered 9,888 votes out of his statewide total of 10,469.
>Candidate Howard Phillips got 2,927 votes in Volusia of his statewide
>total of 4,280. And Candidate Harry Browne received 3,211 Volusia
>votes, by far his best county showing in the state where he totaled
>18,856.
The good news is that this doesn't look like a simple ballot
hole mismatch, as is probable with the votes for Buchanan, since
these extra votes seem pretty wide-spread on the ballot.
I wonder what the Volusia ballot looked like? I can't see
how 16,000 votes, distributed amongst these other candidates,
and with no senate punches, would come about.
Here's a thought: there's about 200,000 votes county-wide.
This anomalous bunch is about 1/12 or 1/13 of that. How
many voting booths were there in the county? How many
polling places? Is it possible for defective machinery
in one voting booth to cause problems? Say, an off-by-one
error of columns of holes on the ballots?
Still wouldn't entirely explain why no senate votes, tho.
>What's so unusual about Volusia County? Is it the home county of Harris,
>Browne and Phillips? Are these numbers just quirks? Is something else
>going on?
>
>Just asking.
-S
Beetwasher
Found an article you might be interested in about this at
www.news-journalonline.com/2000/Nov/9/AREA1.htm
It seems it was some kind of "computer error", and the latest news is they
are going to have a recount, by hand.....
Regards,
Russ
User
Did you ever think people might not have an opinion formed on who to
vote for these positions and simply did not? Sure I voted for president but
there were many spots on my ballot that I left blank, it was not a
conspiracy it was my choice to only vote on issues I knew well enough to
make the right choice.
"Scott Craver" <sacr...@ivy.ee.princeton.edu> wrote in message
news:8ues0u$sct$1...@cnn.Princeton.EDU...
Beetwasher
Doug Ashford
>
> Hey Scott,
>
> Found an article you might be interested in about this at
> www.news-journalonline.com/2000/Nov/9/AREA1.htm
>
> It seems it was some kind of "computer error", and the latest news is they
> are going to have a recount, by hand.....
Old news. They've done the tally, and had the recount. The totals were
the same in both instances: 97,063 Gore; 82,214 Bush. Just like it says
in the article referenced above.
Doug
Beetwasher
Actually, I was under the impression that they were doing ANOTHER recount and
that the totals they got after the first recount were the same totals they got
from Tuesday night, which were incorrect. I could be mistaken and might have
mis-read the above mentioned article. In other words, the 97,063 total for Gore
included the negative (-16,022) votes that were erroneously ascribed, so his
total can conceivably go up by some 16k. This was the only article I found re:
this, and I didn't think it was well written. It was actually somewhat
confusing, I'll have to re-read it....perhaps it's just wishful thinking on my
part.
Scott Craver
>You twits,
> Did you ever think people might not have an opinion formed on who to
>vote for these positions and simply did not?
Clearly you don't understand the large statistical anomaly
here.
You might as well ask, "did you ever think people might
like Buchanan?" about the anomalous thousands of votes he
received in one county. Gee, what's strange about that?
People voted for Buchanan all over the country.
-S
garr...@efn.org
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<<What are you talking about? He got no more than 900 in any other
district, for about 15000 in all of Florida.>>
In the 1996 Republican primary, Buchanan received 8,788 votes in Palm
Beach alone. It's not such a stretch to think that four years later,
3,000 people in the same area might have voted for him.
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Straube1
"Beetwasher" <beetw...@excite.com> wrote in message
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> What is going on with the vote count in Volusia County, Florida?
>
> There seem to be several "anomalies" in the vote totals that, perhaps,
> have
> innocent explanations. But it would be interesting to learn what those
> might
>
> be.
>
> Look at this:
>
> There are 10 candidates on the Florida presidential ballot: Bush, Gore,
> Nader, Browne, Buchanan, Harris, Phillips, Hagelin, Moorehead, and
> McReynolds.
>
> According to the CBSNews.com county-by-county vote totals, there were
> 198,230 total votes cast for all candidates for president in Volusia
> County.
>
> However, there were only a total of 178,973 votes cast for all seven
> senate
> candidates (the only other statewide contest on the ballot).
>
> The 19,257 total vote difference appears to be unusually high and seems
> to
> be the largest difference among all counties in the state.
>
> Here's more:
>
> In the presidential balloting in Volusia County, Candidate James E.
> Harris
> garnered 9,888 votes out of his statewide total of 10,469. Candidate
> Howard
> Phillips got 2,927 votes in Volusia of his statewide total of 4,280. And
>
> Candidate Harry Browne received 3,211 Volusia votes, by far his best
> county
> showing in the state where he totaled 18,856.
>
> Add up these three minor party candidates' votes in Volusia County and
> they
> total 16,026.
>
> Now, remember the unusually high presidential-to-senate total vote
> difference of 19,257 in Volusia. The difference between that number and
> the
> 16,026 votes the three minor party candidates got is 3,231, or just
> about
> what the difference appears to be (on a percentage basis) in the other
> Florida counties between president and senate votes cast.
>