OT: Apologies from an American
Odge
Its seems that at this point there will indeed be a war instigated by the
U.S. against Iraq.
I am writing to you to let you know that there are millions of Americans who
do NOT want this war and who DO care about what the world thinks.
I would like to apologize to you from those of us who are being ignored here
and are, just like the passengers aboard the hijacked airliners on 9-11,
being taken against our will into a firestorm.
If there is any more we could do, we would; but clearly the dually (although
shadily) elected leader of this country has his agenda. War is on it,
listening to others is not.
I will be praying for the safe return of all who have been sent to fight.
But I do that with the knowledge that I didn't ask them to join the
military, I didn't want them to fight for me in this action, I tried my best
to stop this war and worst of all...I will not feel any safer once it is
done.
I am asking for you around the world to pray for us now.
God help us all.
T.E. Lewis
South Carolina, USA
-------------------------------------------
Father, father, we don't need to escalate
War is not the answer,
for only love can conquer hate
You know we've got to find a way
To bring some lovin' here today
Lots42 bomb vice president
bathroom after someone just drove into the front wall of a McDonalds.
Odge
news:20030317135732...@mb-bg.aol.com...
| So ... what the fuck just happened here? I feel like a guy emerging from
the
| bathroom after someone just drove into the front wall of a McDonalds.
Well, nothing officially yet; but the UN has called ALL of their people out
of Iraq (not just the inspectors) and ''president' Bush is scheduled to
'address the nation' at 8pm tonight.
Bruce Tindall
[snip]
Unless I'm mistaken, AFU Security Council Resolution Two-Fifty,
which imposed the Ban on Politics in this newsgroup, is still in
effect. Let's heed it, shall we?
--
Bruce Tindall :: tin...@panix.com
Dave
""Bruce Tindall"" <tin...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:b55865$mes$1...@panix2.panix.com...
> Odge <agur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> [snip]
>
> Unless I'm mistaken, AFU Security Council Resolution Two-Fifty,
> which imposed the Ban on Politics in this newsgroup, is still in
> effect. Let's heed it, shall we?
>
seriously believe war is not inevitable now? All we've got for hope here is
that Blair gets ousted by a seriously pissed off cabinet. I think come what
hell may Bush is going to war, after all "these are folks that tried to kill
my Dad".
Peace, and may all on both sides come home safely.
--------------------- <><
X-Reply-to: david...@dsl.pipex.com
Another quality ramble from David,
"Doing my part to piss people of since 1986"
Mark Shaw
Sure, if "breing profound" is your own personal euphemism for "acting
the braying jackass."
BoP. Really. Now more than ever.
--
Mark "" Shaw
My opinions only
(to email me, remove any mythical beasts from my address)
Deborah Stevenson,,,
>""Bruce Tindall"" <tin...@panix.com> wrote in message
>news:b55865$mes$1...@panix2.panix.com...
>> Odge <agur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>> Unless I'm mistaken, AFU Security Council Resolution Two-Fifty,
>> which imposed the Ban on Politics in this newsgroup, is still in
>> effect. Let's heed it, shall we?
>>
>Nah he's breing profound. Thats an acceptable exclusion.
He isn't and it's not, but congratulations on not crossposting the
response.
Deborah Stevenson
(stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Lon Stowell
> To all of my non-American friends in this newsgroup,
You have no friends in this newsgroup. We don't do
politics here.
Lon Stowell
Thanks. Now if you could just keep the politics out of it,
short factual statements MINUS THE FUCKING QUOTES are OK.
Otherwise, you may want to head for a group more suited to
your intellect.
Lon Stowell
[more off topic bs from the internets biggest fuckwit]
Thanks dave, nice to hear from you. Good to see you
still haven't a fucking clue in your possession.
Odge
news:3E76801D...@attbi.com...
I'm sorry. I've only joined in the last month or so and as you can guess, I
didn't read the FAQ.
Forgive me for irritating such a sore spot. I had only hoped to try and
speak to the few contacts I have outside of the U.S.
No more politics.
Hugh Gibbons
Important tip: When making the obligatory hecatombs, do not pour
the blood directly into your computer. It is customary to
burn sacrifice in your driveway, followed by a neighborhood
barbeque on the back porch. (Libations are optional.)
Oh, wait! Did I violate the BoR?
Alastair Rae
wrote:
>Odge wrote:
>> ''president' Bush
> Thanks. Now if you could just keep the politics out of it,
> short factual statements MINUS THE FUCKING QUOTES are OK.
> Otherwise, you may want to head for a group more suited to
> your intellect.
Yes, you are right to be annoyed. It should be either "president" Bush
or 'president' Bush. Odge should match his open and close quotes
properly. As most of the world knows, "President Bush" would be
inaccurate.
But, of course, with the BoP, I oughtn't persue this any further.
--
Alastair Rae, London, Europe.
Remove NOSPAM from my email address to reply.
My opinions are not necessarily those of my employers.
Andrew McMichael
>
> I'm sorry. I've only joined in the last month or so and as you can guess, I
> didn't read the FAQ.
I'm not piling on here [or, maybe I am, but certainly not in a meany-head
way], but I found this statement interesting. I mean, if you had told me you'd
been here a month, I would have guessed that you certainly *had* read the FAQ.
Has there been some seismic shift recently where it is considered normal not
to read the FAQ within a month. I mean, I certainly understand the "I've never
read the FAQ" thing. That's been for a while. But among people who intend to
read the FAQ, is a month now a short period of time?
Andrew
Ron George
>
> I'm sorry. I've only joined in the last month or so and as you can guess,
I
> didn't read the FAQ.
Then do as I did a few years ago. Lurk for a LONGGGGGGGGGGGG time, then read
the FAQ, then tip toe on eggshells until you feel the wolves are not
scratching at the door when you post. If you do feel wolves are scratching,
double check every 'fact' you use and ensure you are in the right[1].
Think of it like an AA meeting. You dont walk in to your first meeting and
run up to the podium to start talking. You sit in on them for a long time to
understand the flow before you participate.
> Forgive me for irritating such a sore spot. I had only hoped to try and
> speak to the few contacts I have outside of the U.S.
Could you please explain why email would not have worked in this instance?
If I want to leave a message for my neighbor I don't spray paint the streets
in the entire neighborhood.
[1] Not Wing. BoP.
--
Ron "uhhh, nevermind" George
----------------------------------
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http://stingraydesignz.com
Karen J. Cravens
news:3E772808...@wku.edu:
> Has there been some seismic shift recently where it is considered
> normal not to read the FAQ within a month. I mean, I certainly
> understand the "I've never read the FAQ" thing. That's been for a
> while. But among people who intend to read the FAQ, is a month now a
> short period of time?
I think it took me a couple of months at least. Partially because either
the FAQ wasn't being posted to the group at that time or because my ISP
wasn't picking it up (I forget what the diagnosis was on that one) and I
had to go actually find it, which it took awhile to get around to doing.
--
Karen J. Cravens
Binyamin Dissen
:>"Lon Stowell" <lon.s...@attbi.com> wrote in message
Very interesting.
You also posted it to alt.tv.the-west-wing, alt.music.u2, alt.fan.u2, AFCA,
alt.fan.art-bell, alt.comics.peanuts ........
:>No more politics.
Yeah, right.
I am sure you will get another throw away ID on a Hotmail like provider.
--
Binyamin Dissen <bdi...@dissensoftware.com>
http://www.dissensoftware.com
Odge
news:5lge7vcpcjef0s2uj...@4ax.com...
| On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:09:17 -0500 "Odge" <agur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
|
| :>"Lon Stowell" <lon.s...@attbi.com> wrote in message
| :>news:3E76801D...@attbi.com...
|
AFCA,
| alt.fan.art-bell, alt.comics.peanuts ........
That is because those are the groups I am a member of. They know me.
| :>No more politics.
|
| Yeah, right.
|
| I am sure you will get another throw away ID on a Hotmail like provider.
This is the ID I've used for years, this is what it will stay.
But go ahead an speculate. But that only harms you, because when you
speculate it makes a SPEC out of U and....
Oh. Nevermind.
Ron George
<large snip>
> That is because those are the groups I am a member of. They know me.
<snip>
Whoa there little doggie! What makes you think you are a member here? Unless
you consider posting to the group grants you membership and entitles you to
all benefits therein.
If you have read this group for more than three days, you will realize there
are six important rules to follow.
1. Do not top post
2. Do not cross post
3. Do not discuss religon [BoR]
4. Do not discuss politics [BoP]
5. Do provide Cites
6. Double check any 'facts' that you introduce before you post, and when you
do... provide cites.
Helpful Guides:
http://www.tafkac.org/afu/guides/afu_short_intro.html
http://www.tafkac.org/afu/guides/afu_survival_guide.html
Oh, and a seventh.
7. Snip unneeded materials.
--
Ron "uh huh" George
David J. Martin
>
> "Binyamin Dissen" <post...@dissensoftware.com> wrote in message
> news:5lge7vcpcjef0s2uj...@4ax.com...
> | On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:09:17 -0500 "Odge" <agur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> |
> | :>"Lon Stowell" <lon.s...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> | :>news:3E76801D...@attbi.com...
> |
> | You also posted it to alt.tv.the-west-wing, alt.music.u2, alt.fan.u2,
> AFCA,
> | alt.fan.art-bell, alt.comics.peanuts ........
>
> That is because those are the groups I am a member of. They know me.
>
> | :>No more politics.
> |
> | Yeah, right.
> |
> | I am sure you will get another throw away ID on a Hotmail like provider.
>
> This is the ID I've used for years, this is what it will stay.
Clearly by your own admission you're new here, but dejagoogle doesn't
know you by that name or address in most of the groups you mention. The
evidence supports a conclusion of multiposting troll. The only positive
is that you didn't crosspost.
David "not to give any ideas" Martin
J Stutzmann
bless America.
Lets Roll!
"Odge" <agur...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b554ot$mkt$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net...
Changwat Krabi
> On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:12:19 GMT, Lon Stowell <lon.s...@attbi.com>
> wrote:
> >Odge wrote:
> >> ''president' Bush
> >
> > Thanks. Now if you could just keep the politics out of it,
> > short factual statements MINUS THE FUCKING QUOTES are OK.
> > Otherwise, you may want to head for a group more suited to
> > your intellect.
>
> Yes, you are right to be annoyed. It should be either "president" Bush
> or 'president' Bush. Odge should match his open and close quotes
> properly. As most of the world knows, "President Bush" would be
> inaccurate.
>
> But, of course, with the BoP, I oughtn't persue this any further.
With a capital 'B' and that rhymes with 'P' and that stands for "pool."
Changwat "eight ball, corner pocket" Krabi
Rick Tyler
>If you have read this group for more than three days, you will realize there
>are six important rules to follow.
>
>1. Do not top post
>2. Do not cross post
>3. Do not discuss religon [BoR]
>4. Do not discuss politics [BoP]
>5. Do provide Cites
>6. Double check any 'facts' that you introduce before you post, and when you
>do... provide cites.
>
>Helpful Guides:
>http://www.tafkac.org/afu/guides/afu_short_intro.html
>http://www.tafkac.org/afu/guides/afu_survival_guide.html
>
>Oh, and a seventh.
>7. Snip unneeded materials.
Welcome to AFU.
- Rick "Here's your accordion" Tyler
--
"Not that I am worried about you, but there are some
unsavory characters at AFU." -- Burroughs Guy protects
Usenet from the Bastards of AFU
M. J. Freeman
news:hQJda.6705$jA2.6...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net:
> I wish our troops the minimum of casulaties and the maximum of
> success. God bless America.
> Lets Roll!
What part of the Ban on Politics don't you get?
--
Michael J. Freeman (a.k.a., Pi)
mike_f...@mac.com_noSpam Cincinnati, OH
"Insanity runs in the family; it practically gallops"
Ellison, H. Thompson, D. Parker, Prince, SRV, Led Zep
Crashj
> "Lon Stowell" <lon.s...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:3E76801D...@attbi.com...
> | Odge wrote:
> | > To all of my non-American friends in this newsgroup,
> |
> | You have no friends in this newsgroup. We don't do
> | politics here.
>
> I'm sorry. I've only joined in the last month or so
<>
I was taken off a bus in Duluth, dropped in a sack, ridden across half
the country in the back of a dusty Dodge pickup, thrown down a well,
and forced to listen to the FAQ recited by "The Voice" accompanied by
accordian music for weeks on end. And I still wouldn't sign up until
they shaved my head and put on my sekit tattoo.
Crashj 'did you have to pay dues, too?' Johnson
Dr H
If you would like to join a mail list which has been discussing this
very topic, and which also deals in argument and debunkage of various
bizarre claims of a non-political nature, AND which is also composed
mostly of Americans, drop me an e-mail line, and I'll hook you up.
Dr H
Dr H
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Ron George wrote:
}"Odge"
}
}<large snip>
}> That is because those are the groups I am a member of. They know me.
}<snip>
}
}Whoa there little doggie! What makes you think you are a member here? Unless
}you consider posting to the group grants you membership and entitles you to
}all benefits therein.
Of course there are no "membership requirements" for any unmoderated
Usenet newsgroup.
}If you have read this group for more than three days, you will realize there
}are six important rules to follow.
Of course there are no hard and fast rules for posting to unmoderated,
charterless, usenet newsgroups.
}1. Do not top post
}2. Do not cross post
}3. Do not discuss religon [BoR]
}4. Do not discuss politics [BoP]
}5. Do provide Cites
}6. Double check any 'facts' that you introduce before you post, and when you
}do... provide cites.
These are matters of convenience and personal preference, not "rules".
}Helpful Guides:
}http://www.tafkac.org/afu/guides/afu_short_intro.html
}http://www.tafkac.org/afu/guides/afu_survival_guide.html
Here are some other helpful guides:
http://www.smileydictionary.com/
http://www.signpost.mwci.net/#smiley
Have fun. :-)
Dr H
Dr H
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, J Stutzmann wrote:
}I wish our troops the minimum of casulaties and the maximum of success. God
}bless America.
}Lets Roll!
You might well wish that, given the proportion of American casualties
which resulted from "friendly fire" in the last Gulf War...
Dr H
Dr H
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, M. J. Freeman wrote:
}J Stutzmann scribed in
}news:hQJda.6705$jA2.6...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net:
}
}> I wish our troops the minimum of casulaties and the maximum of
}> success. God bless America.
}> Lets Roll!
}
}What part of the Ban on Politics don't you get?
What politics? "God bless America" looks like a religious statement,
to me.
Dr H
Ron George
>
> http://www.smileydictionary.com/
> http://www.signpost.mwci.net/#smiley
>
> Have fun. :-)
>
> Dr H
I don't know if you remember me or not Dr H, but you were one of the people
that took the time to chat with me privately about the group about 2.5 years
ago or so. Gave me some helpful links and some great advice. There was
another gentlemen that also helped me out immensely, who's name escapes me.
I have always appreciated that.
So, if I didn't say it back then.. I will now.
Thanks, *<:)
--
Ron "It was during the large Anti Smiley War of Y2Kishness" George
Simon Slavin
"Dave" <mail.fs...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>""Bruce Tindall"" <tin...@panix.com> wrote
>
>> Unless I'm mistaken, AFU Security Council Resolution Two-Fifty,
>> which imposed the Ban on Politics in this newsgroup, is still in
>> effect. Let's heed it, shall we?
>
>Nah he's breing profound. Thats an acceptable exclusion. Does anyone
>seriously believe war is not inevitable now?
Which syllable of 'Ban on Politics' do you not understand ?
Rick Tyler
<r...@pleasenospamrongeorge.com> wrote:
>I don't know if you remember me or not Dr H, but you were one of the people
>that took the time to chat with me privately about the group about 2.5 years
>ago or so. Gave me some helpful links and some great advice. There was
>another gentlemen that also helped me out immensely, who's name escapes me.
>I have always appreciated that.
>
>So, if I didn't say it back then.. I will now.
>
>Thanks, *<:)
I believe I have now granted the AFU Accordion of Cluefulness to two
posters who then proceeded to seriously disappoint me. Mea culpa, mea
culpa.
- Rick "About to lose my own accordion" Tyler
Dan Fingerman
<news:3E772808...@wku.edu>:
> Has there been some seismic shift recently where it is considered
> normal not to read the FAQ within a month. I mean, I certainly
> understand the "I've never read the FAQ" thing. That's been for a
> while. But among people who intend to read the FAQ, is a month now
> a short period of time?
If you mean cover-to-virtual-cover, I boldly claim the record -- at
five years. That's right folks...I STILL have not read the entire FAQ.
I did read your Carmen Kidneythief post and Simon's style guide
thoroughly (and lurked for 2+ years) before posting, but I still have
not read the whole FAQ straight through. I do, however, search through
it before posting something that I think might be in it.
--
DTM :<|
Ron George
>
> I believe I have now granted the AFU Accordion of Cluefulness to two
> posters who then proceeded to seriously disappoint me. Mea culpa, mea
> culpa.
>
> - Rick "About to lose my own accordion" Tyler
>
I have been around for awhile Rick, I just only have the time to post when I
am unbusy at work. I find myself engrossed in the content of the
conversations so much that I manage my time improperly.
--
Ron "disappointed? you haven't seen nuthin yet!" George
Lon Stowell
I'm fairly sure dsl dave is dave greene, the evil bizzaro
twin of Dr H.
Lon Stowell
> I wish...
You seem like a nice fellow for a clueless top-poster.
Which particular letter in "We Don't Do Fucking Politics
Here" was so difficult for you to read?
spo...@best.com
ideas for newbies desirous of not being eaten, including:
> 7. Snip unneeded materials.
I was told we wouldn't have to do circumcision in this newsgroup.
Barbara "mohel'd again" Mikkelson
--
I am a descendant of Florida, Florida State and Univ of Georgia grads.
This goes a long way toward toward explaining why I went to a school
with no football team. - Andy Walton
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Dr H
I've got an evil twin?
K3wL!!!!1!!
Dr H
Dr H
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Ron George wrote:
}"Dr H"
}
}>
}> http://www.smileydictionary.com/
}> http://www.signpost.mwci.net/#smiley
}>
}> Have fun. :-)
}>
}> Dr H
}
}I don't know if you remember me or not Dr H, but you were one of the people
}that took the time to chat with me privately about the group about 2.5 years
}ago or so. Gave me some helpful links and some great advice. There was
}another gentlemen that also helped me out immensely, who's name escapes me.
}I have always appreciated that.
}
}So, if I didn't say it back then.. I will now.
}
}Thanks, *<:)
You're quite welcome. Always nice to have more people playing. :-)
Dr H
Dr H
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Rick Tyler wrote:
}On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:12:07 -0500, "Ron George"
}<r...@pleasenospamrongeorge.com> wrote:
}
}>I don't know if you remember me or not Dr H, but you were one of the people
}>that took the time to chat with me privately about the group about 2.5 years
}>ago or so. Gave me some helpful links and some great advice. There was
}>another gentlemen that also helped me out immensely, who's name escapes me.
}>I have always appreciated that.
}>
}>So, if I didn't say it back then.. I will now.
}>
}>Thanks, *<:)
}
}I believe I have now granted the AFU Accordion of Cluefulness to two
}posters who then proceeded to seriously disappoint me. Mea culpa, mea
}culpa.
}
}- Rick "About to lose my own accordion" Tyler
That's OK Rick, you can have one of my banjos. :-)
Dr H
Dr H
On 19 Mar 2003, Dan Fingerman wrote:
}If you mean cover-to-virtual-cover, I boldly claim the record -- at
}five years. That's right folks...I STILL have not read the entire FAQ.
}I did read your Carmen Kidneythief post and Simon's style guide
}thoroughly (and lurked for 2+ years) before posting, but I still have
}not read the whole FAQ straight through. I do, however, search through
}it before posting something that I think might be in it.
These days on has to ask "which FAQ"?
It is fun reading, though. If taken in a non-binding sort of way. ;-)
Dr H
Dosius
> On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Ron George wrote:
>
<snip>
> }Whoa there little doggie! What makes you think you are a member here? Unless
> }you consider posting to the group grants you membership and entitles you to
> }all benefits therein.
>
> Of course there are no "membership requirements" for any unmoderated
> Usenet newsgroup.
>
> }If you have read this group for more than three days, you will realize there
> }are six important rules to follow.
>
> Of course there are no hard and fast rules for posting to unmoderated,
> charterless, usenet newsgroups.
>
> }1. Do not top post
> }2. Do not cross post
> }3. Do not discuss religon [BoR]
> }4. Do not discuss politics [BoP]
> }5. Do provide Cites
> }6. Double check any 'facts' that you introduce before you post, and when you
> }do... provide cites.
>
> These are matters of convenience and personal preference, not "rules".
>
Hmm...
*plonk* GoAT
-uso.
Dr H
heheheh... another dude plonking his goat in public...
Dr H
Simon Slavin
Lon Stowell <lon.s...@attbi.com> wrote:
>Simon Slavin wrote:
>> In article <3e7643d2$0$21987$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com>,
>> "Dave" <mail.fs...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>>Which syllable of 'Ban on Politics' do you not understand ?
>
> I'm fairly sure dsl dave is dave greene, the evil bizzaro
> twin of Dr H.
Ah. Thanks, I know who Dave Greene is.
I would be surprised if he is Dr H, though.
Hugh Gibbons
> Ron George <r...@pleasenospamrongeorge.com> provides a list of good
> ideas for newbies desirous of not being eaten, including:
>
>> 7. Snip unneeded materials.
>
> I was told we wouldn't have to do circumcision in this newsgroup.
>
> Barbara "mohel'd again" Mikkelson
I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure doing circumcision via usenet would
be impractical.
TeaLady (Mari C.)
news:20030320205...@news.axs4u.net:
Possibly. But it would be an interesting thread drift.
--
Tea"Albeit a painful one"Lady (mari)
I'm an Auntie !
http://www.geocities.com/spressobean/index.html
Andrew McMichael
But, as far as medical procedures go, it would certainly be cutting-edge.
Andrew "apologies all around" McMichael
John Francis
Au contraire - it would be a snip.
--
As evil plans go, it doesn't suck -- Wesley offers a critique on "Angel"
Imsassynsweet
the details behind this War.Would you rather we wait until they come here
knowing they could use chemical and nuclear warfare on us?Would that then make
it allright for us to defend ourselves? You apologized for us?Why? We have been
fair and we are not the ones who would not compromise!! We have been more than
FAIR. If you feel the need to apologize,then apologize for yourself BUT DO NOT
APOLOGIZE FOR ALL OF US ! You have NO RIGHT!! My suggestion is,if you dont like
living here in the US then move over there with them and see how they treat you
!
Lots42 bomb vice president
>I mean, I certainly understand the "I've never
>read the FAQ" thing. That's been for a while. But among people who intend to
>read the FAQ, is a month now a short period of time?
>
>
Come on! The FAQ is what, like five pages long? That's HAAAAARD.
(Okay, all kidding aside, a month reading of AFU should have at least turned up
mention of BOR and BOP).
--
"Geez. Eat one newbie around here and
you're marked for life." - the-whiteboard.com
"I think paint fumes just go straight to my brain." - Torg
PSA: Not all comic books are meant for kids, hot dammit!
Dr H
So would he.
So would I.
;-)
Dr H
Dr H
Your slip is showing, dear.
Dr H
Dr H
On 21 Mar 2003, John Francis wrote:
}In article <20030320205...@news.axs4u.net>,
}Hugh Gibbons <hgib...@x-remove-xaxs4u.net> wrote:
}>On 19 Mar 2003 09:00 AM, in <TB%da.6401$io.2...@iad-read.news.verio.net> spo...@best.com wrote:
}>> Ron George <r...@pleasenospamrongeorge.com> provides a list of good
}>> ideas for newbies desirous of not being eaten, including:
}>>
}>>> 7. Snip unneeded materials.
}>>
}>> I was told we wouldn't have to do circumcision in this newsgroup.
}>>
}>> Barbara "mohel'd again" Mikkelson
}>
}>I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure doing circumcision via usenet would
}>be impractical.
}
}
}Au contraire - it would be a snip.
(Note to John Schmitt: See? Unfunny one-liners are not only OK here,
they're /de rigueur/. HTH. :-)
Dr H
MRS MOVER
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Carrie '... gimme a second' Jean
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> In article <20030320205...@news.axs4u.net>,
> Hugh Gibbons <hgib...@x-remove-xaxs4u.net> wrote:
>
>>On 19 Mar 2003 09:00 AM, in <TB%da.6401$io.2...@iad-read.news.verio.net> spo...@best.com wrote:
>>
>>>Ron George <r...@pleasenospamrongeorge.com> provides a list of good
>>>ideas for newbies desirous of not being eaten, including:
>>>
>>>
>>>>7. Snip unneeded materials.
>>>
>>>I was told we wouldn't have to do circumcision in this newsgroup.
>>>
>>>Barbara "mohel'd again" Mikkelson
>>
>>I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure doing circumcision via usenet would
>>be impractical.
>
> Au contraire - it would be a snip.
And certainly a refreshing change from cow tipping.
Charles
--
"And some rin up hill and down dale, knapping the
chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like sae mony
road-makers run daft -- they say it is to see how
the warld was made!"
David Wnsemius
news:3E807F65...@snet.net:
> John Francis wrote:
>> In article <20030320205...@news.axs4u.net>,
>> Hugh Gibbons <hgib...@x-remove-xaxs4u.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On 19 Mar 2003 09:00 AM, in
>>><TB%da.6401$io.2...@iad-read.news.verio.net> spo...@best.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ron George <r...@pleasenospamrongeorge.com> provides a list of good
>>>>ideas for newbies desirous of not being eaten, including:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>7. Snip unneeded materials.
>>>>
>>>>I was told we wouldn't have to do circumcision in this newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>>Barbara "mohel'd again" Mikkelson
>>>
>>>I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure doing circumcision via usenet
>>>would be impractical.
>>
>> Au contraire - it would be a snip.
>
> And certainly a refreshing change from cow tipping.
>
You mean to say tip cowwing?
David.
Alice Faber
David Wnsemius <dwin$emiu$@attbi.com.not> wrote:
That only happens at the most elegant of restaurants.
Alice "gratuity added" Faber
--
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by
handwaving." -- Dan Fingerman's first rule of anti-signal
Bill Heyman
news:afaber-D91B55....@reader2.panix.com...
| In article <Xns934AC954DA0A4d...@63.240.76.16>,
| David Wnsemius <dwin$emiu$@attbi.com.not> wrote:
|
| > "Charles Wm. Dimmick" <cdim...@snet.net> wrote in
| > news:3E807F65...@snet.net:
| >
| > > John Francis wrote:
| > >> In article <20030320205...@news.axs4u.net>,
| > >> Hugh Gibbons <hgib...@x-remove-xaxs4u.net> wrote:
| > >>
| > >>>On 19 Mar 2003 09:00 AM, in
| > >>><TB%da.6401$io.2...@iad-read.news.verio.net> spo...@best.com wrote:
| > >>>
| > >>>>Ron George <r...@pleasenospamrongeorge.com> provides a list of good
| > >>>>ideas for newbies desirous of not being eaten, including:
| > >>>>
| > >>>>
| > >>>>>7. Snip unneeded materials.
| > >>>>
| > >>>>I was told we wouldn't have to do circumcision in this newsgroup.
| > >>>>
| > >>>>Barbara "mohel'd again" Mikkelson
| > >>>
| > >>>I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure doing circumcision via usenet
| > >>>would be impractical.
| > >>
| > >> Au contraire - it would be a snip.
| > >
| > > And certainly a refreshing change from cow tipping.
| > >
| > You mean to say tip cowwing?
|
| That only happens at the most elegant of restaurants.
|
| Alice "gratuity added" Faber
Old bad joke follows. Do not blame me. You reminded me. It is all your
fault.
An American touring Spain stopped at a local restaurant following a day of
sightseeing. While sipping his sangria, he noticed a sizzling, scrumptious
looking platter being served at the next table. Not only did it look good,
the smell was wonderful. He asked the waiter, "What is that you just
served?"
The waiter replied, " Ah senor, you have excellent taste! Those are bulls
testicles from the bull fight this morning . . . a delicacy!"
The American, though momentarily daunted, said, "What the hell, I'm on
vacation! Bring me an order!"
The waiter replied, "I am so sorry senor. There is only one serving per day
because there is only one bull fight each morning. If you come early
tomorrow and place your order, we will be sure to save you this delicacy!"
The next morning the American returned, placed his order, and then that
evening he was served the one and only special delicacy of the day. After a
few bites, and after inspecting the contents of his platter he called to the
waiter and said, "These are delicious but they are much, much smaller than
the ones I saw you serve yesterday!"
The waiter shrugged his shoulders and replied, "Si senor, sometimes the bull
wins!"
J Stutzmann
> > by Cindy Osborne
> >
> > The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies,
screaming
> > about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers,
defaming
> > the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and
> > everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names
> > like "stupid" , "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far
as
> > to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is
embarrassed
> > to be an American.
> >
> > So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country?
Let's
> > look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant" , "moronic"
> > leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:
> >
> > President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale
University
> > and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102
> > pilot
for
> > the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and
> > gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry
> > until
1986.
> > He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with
> > 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he
> > became
the
> > first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms
> > on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998
> > Governor
Bush
> > won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the
> > African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of
> > women. He won more
Texas
> > counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other than Richard
Nixon
> > in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win
> > the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso,
> > Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about
> > his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it,
> > you might want to
go
> > to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)
> >
> > Vice President Dick Cheney: Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in
> > 1966,
both
> > in politic al science. Two years later, he won an American
> > Political Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice
> > President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals,
> > members of
Congress
> > and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our
> > economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his
official
> > role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly
> > goes
to
> > Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of
> > Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative goals.
> > In
his
> > travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands
> > the
war
> > on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and
> > he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United
> > States of America.
> >
> > Secretary of State Colin Powell: Educated in the New York City
> > public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY),
> > where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also
> > participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army
> > second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further
> > academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration
> > Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the
> > recipient of numerous U.S. and
foreign
> > military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards
> > include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens
> > Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State
> > Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy
> > Distinguished> Service Medal. Several schools and other
> > institutions have been named
in
> > his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges
> > across the country. (Note: He retired as Four Star General in the
United
> > States Army)
> >
> > Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: Attended Princeton University
> > on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a
> > Naval aviator; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin
> > (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistan t
> > to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity,
> > Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to
> > NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974;
> > Assistant to the President,
Director
> > of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff,
1974-77;
> > Secretary of Defense, 1975-77.
> >
> > Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge: Raised in a working class
family
> > in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to
Harvard,
> > graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The
> > Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where
> > he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze
Star
> > for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree
and
> > was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney
> > in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the
> > first
enlisted
> > Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was
overwhelmingly
> > re-elected six times.
> >
> > National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice: Earned her Bachelor's
Degree
> > in Political Science, Cum Laude and
> > Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's
from
> > the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the
> > Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver
> > in 1981.
(Note:
> > Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15,
> > graduating
at
> > 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). She
> > earned
a
> > Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from
> > the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies.
Both of
> > her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.) She is a
Fellow
> > of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded
Honorary
> > Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama
> > in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she
> > has
been a
> > member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a
Senior
> > Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by
> > courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany
> > Unified
and
> > Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era
> > (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet
> > Union and
the
> > Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on
Soviet
> > and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed
audiences
> > in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow
> > to
the
> > Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National
> > Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German
> > reunification and
the
> > final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush
> > Administration
as
> > Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European
> > Affairs
in
> > the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the
> > President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an
> > international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations,
> > she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs
> > of Staff. In 1997, she
served
> > on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training
> > in
the
> > Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the
> > Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William
> > and Flora
Hewlett>
> > Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International
> > Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony
> > Board of
Governors.
> > She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation,
> > an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East
> > Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls
> > Club of
the
> > Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed such
> > organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the
> > Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace,
> > The Rand Corporation, the National Council for
Soviet
> > and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and
> > KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born Nov ember 14,
> > 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she resides in Washington, D.C.
> >
> > So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their
> > experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will
> > defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think
> > that
if
> > they are going to call into question the intelligence of our
> > leaders,
we
> > should also have all the facts on their educations and background:
> >
> > Barbra Streisand : Completed high school Career: Singing and
acting
> >
> > Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade. Career: Singing and acting
> >
> > Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton. Career:
Acting
> >
> > Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year. Career:
Acting
> >
> > Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal.
> > Career: Acting
> >
> > Julia Roberts: Completed high school. Career: Acting
> >
> > Sean Penn: Completed High school. Career: Acting
> >
> > Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in
> > Washington, D.C. Career: Acting
> >
> > Ed Asner; Completed High school. Career: Acting
> >
> > George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky. Career:
Acting
> >
> > Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan.
Career:
> > Movie Director
> >
> > Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School. Career: Acting
> >
> > Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School. Career: Acting
> >
> > Mike Farrell: Completed High school. Career: Acting
> >
> > Janeane Garofelo: Dropped out of College. Career: Stand up
comedienne
> >
> > Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year. Career: Acting
> >
> > While comparing the education and experience of these two groups,
> > we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are
> > briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our
> > security.
They
> > are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the
Middle
> > East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and
> > terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication
with
> > the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own
> > military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot
> > simply believe that
we
> > have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We
> > cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders.
> >
> > These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no
fact-finding
> > groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our
country.
> > They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican. By
nature,
> > and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest
> > Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United
> > States of America. The silence was deafening from the Left when
> > Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or
when he
> > attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself
to
> > get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally
> > was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young
> > American> lives were lost, not a peep was heard from Hollywood.
> > Yet now, after
our
> > nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans
> > were killed, by freedom-hating terrorists, while going about
> > their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why
the
> > change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the
> > White House.
> >
> > Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office,
> > the Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like
> > SANE, FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm
> > and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to
promote
> > world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the
> > evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very
> > close
to
> > obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to
> > disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these
> > weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these
deadly
> > weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities.
> >
> > So why the hype out of H ollywood? Could these celebrities believe
that
> > since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to
> > also determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable
decisions
> > concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the
> > Nation when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a
"good
> > enough friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was
not
> > speaking for me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a Diplomat, in going
to
> > Iraq when we are just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his
High
> > School Diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a
country
> > that is controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of
> > the American people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money
> > per
year
> > than the average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his
> > bank account give him clout?
> >
> > The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a
shambles
> > of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and
> > divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How
> > dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is
> > even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen
> > and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain
> > movie,
or
> > have fond memories of an old television sitcom!
> >
> > It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate
ourselves
> > about the world around us. If future generations are going to
> > enjoy
the
> > freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to
> > know peace in their own country and their world, to live without
> > fear of terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that
> > this nation remains strong. We must make certain that those who
> > would
destroy
> > us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them.
> >
> > Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and
> > terrorists and join hands, singing Kumbaya and talking of world
> > peace. But it is
not
> > real. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire
> > continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and
> > brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is
> > known for, and defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy
did
> > not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in
> > Cuba
in
> > 1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of
immediate
> > war if the ships did not turn around. We did not end the Cold War
with
> > conferences. It ended with the strong belief of
> > President Ronald Reagan... PEACE through STRENGTH.
> >
> >
Patricia Burns
Okay...I set my newsreader not to "top post". I scrolled through this entire
post (like a dummy). This is a good example why "top posting" is more
efficient.
P (likes it on top) B
James Lane
<patr...@burns.net> wrote:
<snips non-relevant material>
> Okay...I set my newsreader not to "top post". I scrolled through this entire
> post (like a dummy). This is a good example why "top posting" is more
> efficient.
Great, now you've mastered Rule 1 ("don't top post"), perhaps you'd
like to have a crack at Rule 2 ("snip non-relevant material").
James "which your post is a good example of why etc." Lane
M. J. Freeman
Remember: Two wrongs don't make a right... but three lefts do.
--
Michael J. Freeman (a.k.a., Pi)
mike_f...@mac.com_noSpam Cincinnati, OH
"Insanity runs in the family; it practically gallops"
Ellison, H. Thompson, D. Parker, Prince, SRV, Led Zep
Harold Buck
>
> Okay...I set my newsreader not to "top post". I scrolled through this entire
> post (like a dummy). This is a good example why "top posting" is more
> efficient.
>
No. It's a good example why your supposed to edit out everything but the
relevant material when you quote.
--Harold Buck
"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson
Andrew McMichael
>
> In article <3E87C6ED...@burns.net>,
> Patricia Burns <patr...@burns.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > Okay...I set my newsreader not to "top post". I scrolled through this entire
> > post (like a dummy). This is a good example why "top posting" is more
> > efficient.
> >
>
> No. It's a good example why your supposed to edit out everything but the
> relevant material when you quote.
But that requires *work* and attentiveness to detail. Imminent death of
Usenet, &c.
Andrew
Deborah Stevenson,,,
>J Stutzmann wrote:
[snip BoPable off-topic material]
>Okay...I set my newsreader not to "top post". I scrolled through this entire
>post (like a dummy). This is a good example why "top posting" is more
>efficient.
No, it's not, because no civilized person reposts the whole thing,
regardless of where they're putting in the response.
Deborah Stevenson
(stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Patricia Burns
<snipped it all>
But then my point would not have been made.
PB
Deborah Stevenson,,,
>----------------%,----------------------
><snipped it all>
It still wasn't made. You were arguing "Doesn't it make more sense to
keep the rotting fish carcass in the refrigerator door rather than on the
shelf?" The answer was "Sane people throw the damn thing out."
Deborah Stevenson
(stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Harold Buck
Patricia Burns <patr...@burns.net> wrote:
Yeah, but that's just because you don't HAVE a point. If you:
a) snip out irrelevant material
and
b) bottom post or--better yet--intersperse your comments
then everything is clear and easy to follow. Top posting is one evil,
and failure to edit is another. And two wrongs clearly do NOT make a
right in this case.
Patricia Burns
> Yeah, but that's just because you don't HAVE a point. If you: a) snip
> out irrelevant material and b) bottom post or--better yet--intersperse
> your comments then everything is clear and easy to follow. Top posting
> is one evil, and failure to edit is another. And two wrongs clearly do
> NOT make a right in this case.
My whole point was to SHOW why top posting is more convenient. Top
posting is only "wrong" in THIS group. Eventually I'll learn all the
ropes in this NG. Having just half a brain, some things take longer than
others.
PB <still likes it on top>
Paying my $2.50 dues monthly
Lon Stowell
> [two-fifty lines of untrimmed frass removed]
>
> Okay...I set my newsreader not to "top post". I scrolled through this entire
> post (like a dummy). This is a good example why "top posting" is more
> efficient.
Actually it is a better example of why some people should
have their fingers broken before being allowed near a
newsreader.
> P (likes it on top) B
Sometimes uncut is better, but not in public.
Lon Stowell
With utmost charity, considering the possible outside
chance you HAD a point.... a simple statement as to
the typical style and amount of frass trimmed would
more than suffice. Perhaps even a small graphic would
be suitable:
> blah
>| blah from someone else
>|: even more blah from even more someone else
--- // trim 246 similar lines--- // ---
>>>>>>> really old blah
<== PERTH
Repeating the whole freaking frass to make a point
that your newsreader has training wheels? Ya right.
TeaLady (Mari C.)
news:3E89002D...@burns.net:
> My whole point was to SHOW why top posting is more convenient.
Convenient for you, perhaps. And convenient for those who cannot
seem to learn to trim a post.
> Top posting is only "wrong" in THIS group. Eventually I'll
> learn all the ropes in this NG.
It is "wrong" in many groups - some may have given up pointing this
out, but it is still wrong.
> Having just half a brain, some things take longer than others.
>
And having half a brain doesn't make you slower. You just can't
process and store as much info as those with a whole brain.
And if you only have half a brain, you won't ever learn all the
ropes in this NG. Not even half of them, I'd wager.
--
Tea"I might know 10 percent of 'em"Lady (mari)
Harold Buck
Patricia Burns <patr...@burns.net> wrote:
It's not an a.f.u convention, it's a USENET convention. And just because
a lot of idiots in other groups don't obey the convention doesn't make
it right. It's like visiting Thailand and complaining about how none of
the freaking foreigners speak English: just because everyone on your
tour group agrees with you doesn't mean that you're not the rude person.
Trimming posts and placing your remarks in the correct spot is not just
a convention for convention's sake. It's the convention because it's
more logical and it makes it easier for everyone else. It's just good
manners.
Patricia Burns
> ------------------------%<----------------------
> And having half a brain doesn't make you slower. You just can't
> process and store as much info as those with a whole brain.
>
> And if you only have half a brain, you won't ever learn all the
> ropes in this NG. Not even half of them, I'd wager.
I can't take that bet.
My brain on AFU-------------------->
http://home1.gte.net/res1bc4p/brainscan.jpg
Normal brain (never lurked on AFU)-->
http://www.1800catscan.com/images/pics/brain_scan.jpg
P "If I only had a brain" B
Patricia Burns
----------------%,----------------------
Thank you for the correction. Every day, in every way, I'll get better
and better.
P "reformed, but sure to make other mistakes, unknowingly" B
(Hot top seeks bottom...uncut)
Patricia Burns
> Actually it is a better example of why some people should
> have their fingers broken before being allowed near a
> newsreader.
>
> Sometimes uncut is better, but not in public.
But my mouse finger healed.
PB
Hatunen
<patr...@burns.net> wrote:
>> Patricia Burns <patr...@burns.net> wrote:
>> > But then my point would not have been made.
>> (Compressed to save bandwidth)
>> Yeah, but that's just because you don't HAVE a point. If you: a) snip
>> out irrelevant material and b) bottom post or--better yet--intersperse
>> your comments then everything is clear and easy to follow. Top posting
>> is one evil, and failure to edit is another. And two wrongs clearly do
>> NOT make a right in this case.
>
>My whole point was to SHOW why top posting is more convenient.
Convenient for the writer. Tedious for the reader. Especially if
judicious editing of the quote isn't done.
>Top posting is only "wrong" in THIS group.
It's actually a long-standing Usenet and email custom, going back
a couple of decades, not just in this group. Unfortunately, it
has become rife due to the arge number of people who seem to have
little concern for the coherence and readibility of their
posting.
You'll find complaints about top-posters in other groups, too.
************* DAVE HATUNEN (hat...@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Dr H
Actually, although afu does have a number of unique foibles,
disaffection for top posting is prevalent through a rather large
proportion of newsgroups.
That said, afuski are wont to make rather more of such things than
is either necessary or prudent.
Have fun. :-)
Dr H
Charles A Lieberman
Patricia Burns <patr...@burns.net> wrote:
> My whole point was to SHOW why top posting is more convenient.
No, trimming and bottom-posting or interspersing is more convenient.
> Top
> posting is only "wrong" in THIS group.
Bullshit.
--
Charles A. Lieberman | "Granted, the animals without heads, bones, or
Brooklyn, NY, USA | limbs need a lot of assistance to breed, but so
cali...@bigfoot.com | what?" Nathan Tenny teaches AFU animal husbandry
Bill Heyman
news:calieber-BE8AAE...@news.fu-berlin.de...
Actually people in Australasia and Nuevo Zeeland could post on the top. By
the time it got to this side of the hemishphere it would be on the bottom.
Bill "April Fool" Heyman
Harold Buck
Charles A Lieberman <cali...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> In article <3E89002D...@burns.net>,
> Patricia Burns <patr...@burns.net> wrote:
>
> > My whole point was to SHOW why top posting is more convenient.
>
> No, trimming and bottom-posting or interspersing is more convenient.
Well, it's convenient for the POSTER, but inconvenient for everyone else.
Andrew McMichael
>
>
> That said, afuski are wont to make rather more of such things than
> is either necessary or prudent.
Cite?
Andrew
Patricia Burns
> -----------%<----------------top posting
> Well, it's convenient for the POSTER, but inconvenient for everyone else.
>
> --Harold Buck
>
This is just as convenient for me (bottom-feeding). I just reset my
newsreader (The DEFAULT is "start my reply above the quoted text", by the
way).
It is -my opinion, only- that I like to first read what is "new" on the
subject before having to read (or scroll through) what I JUST read in the
prior post. (My ST memory isn't THAT bad!) Unlike some, I don't read these
posts as soon as they hit the server. I save 'em up a little.
I checked Deja News (found out that it's now Google) and saw that the last
time I was scared of this NG was 1997! Back then...no one ever got on me
about "top-posting". This group has gotten tougher when I didn't think it
possible.
A simple "Please start your reply after the quoted text" would have been
enough for me to comply. But then, that's not AFU tradition as I understand
it. I'm just reading this for entertainment and make posts when it strikes
me to. I'm not looking for a war.
PB
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> A simple "Please start your reply after the quoted text" would have been
> enough for me to comply. But then, that's not AFU tradition as I understand
> it. I'm just reading this for entertainment and make posts when it strikes
> me to. I'm not looking for a war.
But since it is considered customary to lurk [for at least
3 weeks, if not longer] and to read at least part of the
FAQ for any usenet group before making one's first post,
the mere fact that you top-posted shows that you did not
have the courtesy to follow the minimum basic morays of
the froup, and therefore we, as the unwilling recipients
of your ill-considered post, have no further obligations
to extent to you the courtesies that you have made no
effort to show us.
Charles Wm. Dimmick
--
"And some rin up hill and down dale, knapping the
chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like sae mony
road-makers run daft -- they say it is to see how
the warld was made!"
Rick Tyler
wrote:
>I checked Deja News (found out that it's now Google) and saw that the last
>time I was scared of this NG was 1997! Back then...no one ever got on me
>about "top-posting". This group has gotten tougher when I didn't think it
>possible.
>
>A simple "Please start your reply after the quoted text" would have been
>enough for me to comply. But then, that's not AFU tradition as I understand
>it. I'm just reading this for entertainment and make posts when it strikes
>me to. I'm not looking for a war.
Ahem. The complete text of my "tougher" post scolding you for
top-posting was:
"... and in AFU, we don't top-post.
"- Rick 'Please' Tyler"
If that sounds too tough, Usenet might not be the best source for
entertaining reading material.
- Rick "AFU Class of 1997" Tyler
--
"Lacking intelligent discussion, I suppose one could
always resort to bigotry." Daniel L. Snyder
Harold Buck
"Charles Wm. Dimmick" <cdim...@snet.net> wrote:
>
> But since it is considered customary to lurk [for at least
> 3 weeks, if not longer] and to read at least part of the
> FAQ for any usenet group before making one's first post,
Well, I sure didn't have the patience to lurk for a month, but I *did*
read the FAQ, and I quickly learned to search for everything on Snopes
befor eposting about it.
> the mere fact that you top-posted shows that you did not
> have the courtesy to follow the minimum basic morays of
> the froup, and therefore we, as the unwilling recipients
> of your ill-considered post, have no further obligations
> to extent to you the courtesies that you have made no
> effort to show us.
>
Sounds like "Two wrongs make a right."
Dan Fingerman
<news:3E8A1A6C...@burns.net>:
> A simple "Please start your reply after the quoted text" would
> have been enough for me to comply.
Were that the convention, someone might have made that request. But it
is not, and nobody did. Afuisti also expect you to trim quotes and
place your comments where they are appropriate -- often throughout the
quoted material and NOT all at the bottom.
--
DTM :<|
Tom Cikoski
>A simple "Please start your reply after the quoted text" would have been
>enough for me to comply. But then, that's not AFU tradition as I understand
>it. I'm just reading this for entertainment and make posts when it strikes
>me to. I'm not looking for a war.
PB -- here's one old timer that thinks you have the right stuff
to hang in AFU if you want to. Grow a few more millimeters of
toughskin and hang in there. Right now you're being caught up
in the Internet time delay backwash that has responses coming
in hours, days, weeks, even months later than the original
post. If you think it's worth the effort you'll prevail.
--
( )_( )
\. ./
_=.=_
" -- And the "worth the effort" is a personal thing.
Crashj
<>
> I'm just reading this for entertainment and make posts when it strikes
> me to. I'm not looking for a war.
Oh, but then alt.dull.as.soap.soap.soap is two floors down, second on the left.
Crashj 'bottom poster, top feeder' Johnson
James Lane
<spli...@panix.com> wrote:
> In <3E8A1A6C...@burns.net> Patricia Burns <patr...@burns.net> writes:
>
> >A simple "Please start your reply after the quoted text" would have been
> >enough for me to comply. But then, that's not AFU tradition as I understand
> >it. I'm just reading this for entertainment and make posts when it strikes
> >me to. I'm not looking for a war.
>
> PB -- here's one old timer that thinks you have the right stuff
> to hang in AFU if you want to.
I'll second that (despite being one of the first to jump on Patricia).
AFU can be very entertaining, but don't waste time challenging the
conventions.
James "vintage 1999, still no accordian" Lane
Alan Follett
> In article <3E8A20D8...@snet.net>,
> "Charles Wm. Dimmick" <cdim...@snet.net>
> wrote:
>> But since it is considered customary to
>>lurk [for at least 3 weeks, if not longer]
>> and to read at least part of the FAQ for
>> any usenet group before making one's
>> first post,
> Well, I sure didn't have the patience to lurk
> for a month, but I *did* read the FAQ, and
> I quickly learned to search for everything
> on Snopes befor eposting about it. the
> mere fact that you top-posted shows that
> you did not have the courtesy to follow the
> minimum basic morays of the froup, and
> therefore we, as the unwilling recipients of
> your ill-considered post, have no further
> obligations to extent to you the courtesies
> that you have made no effort to show us.
> Sounds like "Two wrongs make a right."
Still, don't sweat it; my first AFU post was made after about ten
minutes' lurking, based on discovery of the froup through a post by Dr H
(and, what the hell, thanks, Doc!); and, very untypically, concluded
with a smiley.
Alan "and now I am one" Follett
Patricia Burns
> But since it is considered customary to lurk [for at least
> 3 weeks, if not longer] and to read at least part of the
> FAQ for any usenet group before making one's first post,
> the mere fact that you top-posted shows that you did not
> have the courtesy to follow the minimum basic morays of
> the froup, and therefore we, as the unwilling recipients
> of your ill-considered post, have no further obligations
> to extent to you the courtesies that you have made no
> effort to show us.
>
> Charles Wm. Dimmick
>
I've been lurking for over 5 years! (I made some posts back then and was heckled
no end. An initiation rite for newbies?) I've grown my "tougher skin" and felt
brave enough to try it again. I've read the FAQ(s) and nowhere can I find that
"top posting" is frowned upon (In fact, I drew the URL for the FAQ out my brain
sludge, without benefit of looking up the address...THAT's how long I've been
lurking!) If it's "minimum basic morays" (mores?) I would expect it to be in the
FAQ. The subtlety was lost on me from just reading the posts.
Looking back through recent posts at random, I do see a reference, that was
easily missed. ("So-and-So" top posted:), but in my defense it was so vague and
since I was unfamiliar with the name, I skipped over to the 'non-italicized text".
I have kept up with the snopes site through their update notices (now a paying
customer). I've read the FAQs. I feel I've been reprimanded enough. Any more
would be like beating a dead horse. If any of you feel the need to continue for
titillation's sake...feel free
Thank you to Tom and James for the encouragement.
Patricia "Carpi Urbanist" Burns
(found that anagram in one of my old posts on DejaNews/Google...had forgotten
about it!)
Lara
> I've been lurking for over 5 years!
You're so speshul.
> (I made some posts back then and was heckled no end. An initiation rite
> for newbies?) I've grown my "tougher skin" and felt brave enough to try
> it again. I've read the FAQ(s) and nowhere can I find that "top posting"
> is frowned upon
Assuming you're serious and not some belated April First joke - you've
lurked for five years and missed Simon's style-guide post every single
month? Google "AFU uses quotes in natural order: new text goes below old
text. If you quote someone else's text, interlace bits of their post
with bits of yours." for details.
> I've read the FAQs. I feel I've been reprimanded enough. Any more would
> be like beating a dead horse.
Consider cutting out the whining about how you didn't KNOW top posting
was bad and WHY don't we like cross posting in afu and CAN'T we all just
get along and we're all MEANYHEADS, and post some signalicious goodness.
It's not that complicated.
Lara
Patricia Burns
Wow...you went all the way back to August 1997 to find that article on cross
posting! Did you notice that I didn't receive a single negative response in the
whole thread? (Pretty unlikely for the time.) I even got a positive response
before it weirded out on another tangent.
Not until now, anyway. (Counting on my broken fingers) Yep...that WAS over
five years ago! I really DO feel "speshul". You went to all that trouble just
for me.
I checked DejaGoogle for "AFU uses quotes in natural order" and it only came up
with one article (dated today).
Let's both quit whining. I need a hug. Does anyone know the words to Kumbaya?
P B
My 4th posting to AFU during the 3 weeks (long ago and far away) I dared to
post:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=33E7B771.446%40NOSPAM.earthling.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3D%2Bcrossposting%2Bgroup:alt.folklore.urban%2Bauthor:patricia%2Bauthor:burns%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26scoring%3Dd%26selm%3D33E7B771.446%2540NOSPAM.earthling.net%26rnum%3D1
Lara
apparent reason:
> Wow...you went all the way back to August 1997 to find that article on cross
> posting!
Oh yes, I read every single post ever made between now and then. Stayed
up all night, I did. Why? Because I care.
> Not until now, anyway. (Counting on my broken fingers) Yep...that WAS
> over five years ago! I really DO feel "speshul". You went to all that
> trouble just for me.
AFU - going the extra mile.
> > you've
> > lurked for five years and missed Simon's style-guide post every single
> > month?
[snip]
> I checked DejaGoogle for "AFU uses quotes in natural order" and it only
> came up with one article (dated today).
You seem to be having a little problem with excessive literalism. Is
this a new affliction, or have you always suffered from it? Maybe
BASHING you OVER the HEAD with a MUCH BIGGER CLUE might just help:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=simon+style+guide+group:alt.folklore.u
rban
[snip five-line google groups link]
If you have a problem with tinyurl and makeashorterlink, at least cut
out the extraneous crap.
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=33E7B771.446%40NOSPAM.earthling
.net
Once again: stop whining and flaunting your clue resistance like a boy
scout merit badge, read, most importantly engage brane and think,and
post signal. Or get plonked right, left and centre. Whatever.
Lara "not quite in the 'beyond hope' jar yet; just teetering at the
brim" Hopksni
ps: fix your line lengths.
Charles A Lieberman
Patricia Burns <patr...@burns.net> wrote:
> I've read the FAQ(s) and nowhere can I find that
> "top posting" is frowned upon
Not everything is spelled out in the FAQ. Surely you didn't think
everyone else was not top-posting because of a confluence of personal
styles or newsreader configurations?
Andrew McMichael
Goodness, this seems like alot of venom over something that she's already
apologized for, and that she's said she'll correct. She's shown a healthy
reception to correction, shown some cluefulness, and, again, is repentant. Her
main sin seems to be [now] that she's trying to justify her error. So? Her
faux pas is much less of a transgression that what many of us did on our
first outing.
Seems to me that it wouldn't be all that bad to let it go.
Andrew "or am I the only one who thinks such,
aside from the loons?" McMichael
Andrew McMichael
>
> In <3E8A1A6C...@burns.net> Patricia Burns <patr...@burns.net> writes:
>
> >A simple "Please start your reply after the quoted text" would have been
> >enough for me to comply. But then, that's not AFU tradition as I understand
> >it. I'm just reading this for entertainment and make posts when it strikes
> >me to. I'm not looking for a war.
>
> PB -- here's one old timer that thinks you have the right stuff
> to hang in AFU if you want to.
Here's another.
Andrew
Patricia Burns
Thank you, sir, you've said it much better than I could.
PB
John Francis
Andrew McMichael <andrew.m...@wku.edu> wrote:
>
>Seems to me that it wouldn't be all that bad to let it go.
>
>Andrew "or am I the only one who thinks such,
>aside from the loons?" McMichael
No.
(Either that or I'm a loon)
--
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