Sind die "Theorien ueber den Mehrwert" wert? [Are the Theories on Surplus Value worth?]
Fabrizio Ducci
"Theorien ueber den Mehrwert"? What place do they hold in Marxian work
and what importance have they got themselves?
In "Politico-philosophical interview", for instance, ("Intervista
politico-filosofica") Lucio Colletti stated that Marx' most relevant
works were "Das Kapital", the "Grundrisse der politischen Oekonomie" and
the "Theorien ueber den Mehrwert"; all the rest was secondary.
Any other opinions on the Theories?
G o e t z K l u g e
entropy), "Mehrwert" - as used in economics - lets me
look at my field, which is not in economics. (I have
to deal with entropy in data compression and data
transmission).
"Using" energy (or any resource) means increasing its
entropy. "Using" capital probably means the same. Could
it be, that societies demand VATs for being used as a
drain for entropy?
It may be interesting for economists to have a closer
look at the 2nd "law" of thermodynamics when dealing
with the concept of "Mehrwert".
Goetz
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/SMIPP/entrolit.htm
Thomas Hanne
>As energy can have more or less value (less or more
>entropy), "Mehrwert" - as used in economics - lets me
>look at my field, which is not in economics. (I have
>to deal with entropy in data compression and data
>transmission).
>"Using" energy (or any resource) means increasing its
>entropy. "Using" capital probably means the same. Could
>it be, that societies demand VATs for being used as a
>drain for entropy?
>It may be interesting for economists to have a closer
>look at the 2nd "law" of thermodynamics when dealing
>with the concept of "Mehrwert".
There is an intersting article by Samuelson comparing market
equilibrium and thermodynamic equilibrium theory. Apart from some
interesting analogies he insists in specific differences of both
approaches. The article should be included somewhere in the
"Collected works".
Modern approaches rather try to use non-equilibrium approaches
as, for instance, in evolutionary economics to underline dynamic
effects, e.g. innovative forces.
Cheers, Thomas.
G o e t z K l u g e
>as, for instance, in evolutionary economics to underline
>dynamic effects, e.g. innovative forces.
Thanks for the info (on Samuelson). By the way, references to
thermodynamics and non-equilibrium approaches do not contradict.
But evolutionary economics may be not modern enough in times,
where a rapidly increasing innovation speed led us to a change
from slow evolution to fast revolution.
Goetz
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/SMIPP/frm7828.htm
Thomas Hanne
>>Modern approaches rather try to use non-equilibrium approaches
>>as, for instance, in evolutionary economics to underline
>>dynamic effects, e.g. innovative forces.
>Thanks for the info (on Samuelson). By the way, references to
>thermodynamics and non-equilibrium approaches do not contradict.
Si.
>But evolutionary economics may be not modern enough in times,
>where a rapidly increasing innovation speed led us to a change
>from slow evolution to fast revolution.
Technical simulations of evolutionary processes (computer models) have
shown that typically speed of evolution varies rapidly during the
process. Economically, this can be interpreted as (e.g. randomly
occuring) star innovations with massive imitative follow-up products.
Speed of evolution depends -among other things- on the dimensionality
of the search space. During the process it is possible that search
takes place in a low dimensional subspace (low influence of many
enviromental variables) which allows fast progress.
Cheers, Thomas.
G o e t z K l u g e
>Technical simulations of evolutionary processes
>(computer models) have shown that typically speed
>of evolution varies rapidly during the process.
And this happens in the real world too :-)
For humans, however, the *frequency of innovations during
a lifetime* (or during a generation) has increased
significantly. This is a truly paradigmatic change in
the development of humans. Also the entropy export
(destruction of "Mehrwert") per bodyweight related
to a individual human probably is significantly higher
than any other species.
I would be interested in your opinion on Peter Kafka's
"Gegen den Untergang".
Goetz
(I don't mind to continue this dialogue in English. German
is fine too.)
Thomas Hanne
G o e t z K l u g e <71520...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>(I don't mind to continue this dialogue in English. German
>is fine too.)
OK.
>For humans, however, the *frequency of innovations during
>a lifetime* (or during a generation) has increased
>significantly. This is a truly paradigmatic change in
>the development of humans. Also the entropy export
>(destruction of "Mehrwert") per bodyweight related
>to a individual human probably is significantly higher
>than any other species.
>I would be interested in your opinion on Peter Kafka's
>"Gegen den Untergang".
Habe ich nicht gelesen. Kommt das mit der Entropie darin vor?
Gruss, Thomas.
G o e t z K l u g e
>>I would be interested in your opinion on Peter Kafka's
>>"Gegen den Untergang".
>
>Habe ich nicht gelesen. Kommt das mit der Entropie darin vor?
>Gruss, Thomas.
Auch - aber weniger penetrant, als bei mir :-)
Goetz
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/SMIPP/think99.htm#PKafka