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Michael Tobis

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Nov 30, 1993, 4:16:05 PM11/30/93
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What are the capitals of the second and third closest countries to Canada?

How many US states are, like Michigan, divided into two noncontiguous parts
ON THE SAME LAND MASS? (Hint: more than you think.)

Try these without an atlas first.

mt

David Karr

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Nov 30, 1993, 8:58:05 PM11/30/93
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In article <1993Nov30.2...@cs.wisc.edu> to...@skool.ssec.wisc.edu writes:
>How many US states are, like Michigan, divided into two noncontiguous parts
>ON THE SAME LAND MASS? (Hint: more than you think.)

Do rivers divide states into noncontiguous parts? For example, you
can't get from the eastern edge of Connecticut to the western edge
without crossing the Housatonic. If not, what about the fact that
there's a bridge between the upper and lower peninsulas of Michigan?
What are the characteristics of a body of water that allow it to
divide a state?

-- David A. Karr (ka...@cs.cornell.edu)

Mark Meyer

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Dec 1, 1993, 10:47:24 AM12/1/93
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Here there may be spoilers, but, like Michael suggested, I'm not using
an atlas. (I'm at work, y'see. :-) I'm warning you!


In article <1993Nov30.2...@cs.wisc.edu> to...@skool.ssec.wisc.edu (Michael Tobis) writes:
> What are the capitals of the second and third closest countries to
> Canada?

Copenhagen and Reykjavik? I'm sure of the first one.

> How many US states are, like Michigan, divided into two noncontiguous parts
> ON THE SAME LAND MASS? (Hint: more than you think.)

At least two more that I'm sure of:
Minnesota - there's a little bit that sticks up into Canada,
but it has a lake across it so that you can't walk to that little bit
without going through Canada. Well, not in the summertime,
anyway. :-)
Virginia - part of it comprises the southern tip of the aptly
named Delmarva Peninsula, and you can't walk there from the rest of
Virginia without going though Maryland.

I can easily imagine Washington being another answer, but I'm
not sure of this. Any others?

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Dec 1, 1993, 12:56:18 PM12/1/93
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Michael Tobis (to...@skool.ssec.wisc.edu) wrote:
> How many US states are, like Michigan, divided into two noncontiguous parts
> ON THE SAME LAND MASS?


I would suppose that most states have an island in them *some*where.

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Dave Medlicott

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Dec 1, 1993, 1:03:47 PM12/1/93
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Michael Tobis (to...@skool.ssec.wisc.edu) wrote:
: What are the capitals of the second and third closest countries to Canada?

Off the top of my head: Oslo amd Moscow.

: How many US states are, like Michigan, divided into two noncontiguous parts


: ON THE SAME LAND MASS? (Hint: more than you think.)

This puzzle is stated: noncontiguous and ON THE SAME LAND MASS. Michigan
has a contiguous border. It is not broken ANYWHERE. Part of the border
goes over water, but that occurs in several states (WA, MN). Two states
that have VERY interesting borders, however, and which are NOT
contiguous are Kentucky and New York. Draw putting a pencil on a piece
of paper and drawing them without lifting the pencil - you can't.

Dave


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Dave Medlicott

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Dec 1, 1993, 1:09:08 PM12/1/93
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Mark Meyer (mme...@m2.rts.dseg.ti.com) wrote:

: Here there may be spoilers, but, like Michael suggested, I'm not using


: an atlas. (I'm at work, y'see. :-) I'm warning you!
:
: In article <1993Nov30.2...@cs.wisc.edu> to...@skool.ssec.wisc.edu (Michael Tobis) writes:
: > What are the capitals of the second and third closest countries to
: > Canada?

: Copenhagen and Reykjavik? I'm sure of the first one.

Well, Greenland is owned by Denmark, but it is not Denmark. So, I don't
think that the capital of the country which owns an island near Canada
would count.

Jeff Shearer

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Dec 1, 1993, 1:32:44 PM12/1/93
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In article <MMEYER.93...@m2.rts.dseg.ti.com> mme...@m2.rts.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer) writes:
>
>> How many US states are, like Michigan, divided into two noncontiguous parts
>> ON THE SAME LAND MASS? (Hint: more than you think.)
>
> At least two more that I'm sure of:
> Minnesota - there's a little bit that sticks up into Canada,
>but it has a lake across it so that you can't walk to that little bit
>without going through Canada. Well, not in the summertime,
>anyway. :-)
> Virginia - part of it comprises the southern tip of the aptly
>named Delmarva Peninsula, and you can't walk there from the rest of
>Virginia without going though Maryland.
>
> I can easily imagine Washington being another answer, but I'm
>not sure of this. Any others?

Does a river cutting through a state count? How 'bout islands?

- Jeff

Theo Norvell

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Dec 1, 1993, 2:11:41 PM12/1/93
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In article <CHDBr...@cup.hp.com> me...@cup.hp.com (Dave Medlicott) writes:
>Mark Meyer (mme...@m2.rts.dseg.ti.com) wrote:
>
>: Here there may be spoilers, but, like Michael suggested, I'm not using
>: an atlas. (I'm at work, y'see. :-) I'm warning you!
>:
>: In article <1993Nov30.2...@cs.wisc.edu> to...@skool.ssec.wisc.edu (Michael Tobis) writes:
>: > What are the capitals of the second and third closest countries to
>: > Canada?
>
>: Copenhagen and Reykjavik? I'm sure of the first one.
>

The capitol of the closest country to Canada is a tie between
Washington D.C. and Edinburgh. There are a few square meters of
Nova Scotian soil in Edinburgh castle which were used for investing
Nova Scotian baronets. At the time it was a custom that Scottish
baronets had to be invested on the soil of their baronies. Since
the King didn't really want to go all that way ... . I think Scotland
counts as a country still, even though it is a part of the U.K.
Otherwise: Westminster.

For third place, I think that Paris beats out Thule by a few miles.
St. Piere et Miquelon (sp??) are about 60 miles south of Newfoundland.
I say Thule rather than Copenhagen because Greenland is a colony. The
capital of a colony is not the same as the capital of the colonial
power (e.g. was Westminster ever the capitol of Australia?).

On the other question, Washington should definitely be included
with Michigan and Virginia. There is a part of Washington which
can only be reached (over land) by passing through B.C.

Randall Gee

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Dec 1, 1993, 3:24:26 PM12/1/93
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In article <CHDBr...@cup.hp.com>, Dave Medlicott <me...@cup.hp.com> wrote:
>Well, Greenland is owned by Denmark, but it is not Denmark.

This is no longer the case. Greenland is no Denmark, nor is it owned by
Denmark. I'd write its real name, but I'd just misspell it. Can someone
help out here?

-- Randall M! Gee
(rm...@soda.berkeley.edu)

DACOD

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Dec 1, 1993, 3:34:09 PM12/1/93
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Since geography puzzles seem to be the in thing...

Find the centre of each continent (lat/long, or name nearest human settlement).

Obviously there's plenty of leeway for defining terms here. For a start:

What's a continent? Eg, are North America and South America two continents,
or one (the Americas)? How about Eurasia? And Australia/Australasia/Oceania?

What's the centre? Point furthest from nearest ocean? Latitude and longitude
exactly half-way between continental extremes? Centre of gravity of a cut-out
cardboard map?

Justify your definitions...

DACOD

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Michael Tobis

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Dec 1, 1993, 4:08:47 PM12/1/93
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Islands are clearly excluded by the problem definition.

I would exclude rivers but include large lakes and bays as separating
a state. I think that deciding contiguity on the basis of bodies of water
included within a jurisdiction is outside the spirit of the question. That's
why Michigan was explicitly mentioned. (I call this the Michigan puzzle.)

The following are marginal cases:

Alaska: (connected at Juneau Inlet until the glacier melts!)
Arizona: (two probably unpopulated peninsulas into artificial Lake Powell)
Arkansas: (peninsulas into Bull Shoals Lake reservoir. populated?)
Missouri: (more peninsulas into Bull Shoals Lake reservoir. populated?)
South Carolina: (a little odditity on the beach at the NC border. populated?)

I may have missed some other marginal cases.

Including Michigan, there are seven clear-cut cases. In three of them, there
is a "repair" with major bridges, though in one of those some island-hopping is
required to get to the main part of the state. All seven are definitely
populated. I have a fantasy of visiting them all on a long driving vacation
some day.

New York is NOT on my list. What's the problem with New York?

The Nova Scotia answer was amazing, by the way! So I should ask for
the four closest capitals to Canada.

My understanding of Greenland was that it was administered as a canton of
Denmark, much as St Pierre et Miquelon is a departement of France. So the
answers I was looking for were Paris and Copenhagen in that order. To the
rephrased question, Washington DC and London (or arguably Edinburgh),
Paris and Copenhagen (or arguably Godthaab).

Here's another one for my fellow Canucks: how many provinces have a land
boundary with the Northwest Territories? (Hint: you missed one! Which?)

And another US puzzle: where is a US county that borders on four states?
(Not "four corners" even if we accept the corner states as contiguous!
The corner counties only border on three states other than their own.)

Of course you all know that Reno is west of Los Angeles, Indianapolis
is east of Pensacola, and proceeding from the Pacific to the Atlantic
through the Panama Canal you go Northwest.

mt
atlas nerd

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Dec 1, 1993, 3:49:39 PM12/1/93
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In article <1993Dec1.1...@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> nor...@csri.toronto.edu (Theo Norvell) writes:
>In article <CHDBr...@cup.hp.com> me...@cup.hp.com (Dave Medlicott) writes:
>>Mark Meyer (mme...@m2.rts.dseg.ti.com) wrote:
>>
>>: Here there may be spoilers, but, like Michael suggested, I'm not using
>>: an atlas. (I'm at work, y'see. :-) I'm warning you!
>>:
>>: In article <1993Nov30.2...@cs.wisc.edu> to...@skool.ssec.wisc.edu (Michael Tobis) writes:
>>: > What are the capitals of the second and third closest countries to
>>: > Canada?
>>
>>: Copenhagen and Reykjavik? I'm sure of the first one.
>>
>
>The capitol of the closest country to Canada is a tie between
>Washington D.C. and Edinburgh. There are a few square meters of
>Nova Scotian soil in Edinburgh castle which were used for investing
>Nova Scotian baronets. At the time it was a custom that Scottish
>baronets had to be invested on the soil of their baronies. Since
>the King didn't really want to go all that way ... . I think Scotland
>counts as a country still, even though it is a part of the U.K.
>Otherwise: Westminster.

If this counts, then obviously, every country that maintains an embassy
in Canada also ties for closest. (I think, technically, an embassy counts
as part of the country it's from; eg. The American embassy in Moscow is part
of the US.) Thus the second and third closest would be among those
countries not maintaining embassies in Canada. No idea which those
might be... (Iraq? Libya? Some of the newer bits of the ex-Soviet Union?)
It becomes more complicated when you think about everywhere that Canada
has embassies as well. Somewhere, there is probably a country which
has a Canadian embassy and an embassy from a country which does not have
a Canadian embassy nor has an embassy in Canada. The answer, given
these conditions, would end up being something like, "The second closest
country is <Country A>, whose embassy in Amman, Jordan, is 3 blocks from
the Canadian embassy. The third closest is <Country B>, whose embassy in
Vienna, Austria, is a mile and a half from the Canadian embassy."

Sorry for rambling :)


>
>For third place, I think that Paris beats out Thule by a few miles.
>St. Piere et Miquelon (sp??) are about 60 miles south of Newfoundland.
>I say Thule rather than Copenhagen because Greenland is a colony. The
>capital of a colony is not the same as the capital of the colonial
>power (e.g. was Westminster ever the capitol of Australia?).
>
>On the other question, Washington should definitely be included
>with Michigan and Virginia. There is a part of Washington which
>can only be reached (over land) by passing through B.C.

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Dec 1, 1993, 5:28:03 PM12/1/93
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Michigan
Minnesota (part of that bump into Lake of the Woods is only connected to Canada)
North Carolina
Virginia
Maryland
Washington (once again, a little piece connected to Canada)
Alaska (one of those inlets from the Pacific must cut clear to Canada)


Keith Winegar
(Maker and seller of Tricky Bandsawn Puzzles)

David DeLaney

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Dec 1, 1993, 8:28:14 PM12/1/93
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>Here there may be spoilers, but, like Michael suggested, I'm not using
>an atlas. (I'm at work, y'see. :-) I'm warning you!

>In article <1993Nov30.2...@cs.wisc.edu> to...@skool.ssec.wisc.edu
(Michael Tobis) writes:
>> How many US states are, like Michigan, divided into two noncontiguous parts
>> ON THE SAME LAND MASS? (Hint: more than you think.)
> At least two more that I'm sure of:
> Minnesota - there's a little bit that sticks up into Canada,
>but it has a lake across it so that you can't walk to that little bit
>without going through Canada. Well, not in the summertime,
>anyway. :-)
> Virginia - part of it comprises the southern tip of the aptly
>named Delmarva Peninsula, and you can't walk there from the rest of
>Virginia without going though Maryland.
> I can easily imagine Washington being another answer, but I'm
>not sure of this. Any others?

Add Illinois - ever since the Misssissippi River changed course during a flood
(no, not THAT flood) a while back, there is a small slice of Illinois on the
other bank. This one is unusual in that it happened *after* the state lines
were drawn :-) - anyone know of other such?

Dave "mentally geografying" DeLaney
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Michael Tobis

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Dec 1, 1993, 10:19:21 PM12/1/93
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Mmmpf. I missed North Carolina! Highway NC 615 to Knotts Island NC cannot be
reached except from Virginia! So that makes eight.

Why do people keep bringing up Maryland? It's a silly shape for a
jurisdiction, sure, but it is connected.

Alaska isn't on the list yet, but will be when the glacier melts.

mt

RVES...@vma.cc.nd.edu

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Nov 30, 1993, 9:42:12 PM11/30/93
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(Michael Tobis) says:
>
>What are the capitals of the second and third closest countries to Canada?
>

my guesses are moscow and whatever the capital of greenland is. or is
greenland still part of denmark? if so, then moscow and cophenhagen.

>How many US states are, like Michigan, divided into two noncontiguous parts
>ON THE SAME LAND MASS? (Hint: more than you think.)
>

delaware is divided into three, believe it or not. can you find
them?

bob vesterman.

Dave Seaman

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Dec 2, 1993, 9:02:45 AM12/2/93
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> |> > How many US states are, like Michigan, divided into two
noncontiguous parts
> |> > ON THE SAME LAND MASS? (Hint: more than you think.)

Kentucky should be on the list. You need to look closely to see this.

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Dave Medlicott

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Dec 2, 1993, 10:27:12 AM12/2/93
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Michael Tobis (to...@skool.ssec.wisc.edu) wrote:

: New York is NOT on my list. What's the problem with New York?

The NY boundary is not contiguous. Look at a map of the lower Manhattan
and New Jersey area. You will see the NY/NJ border go neatly down the
middle of the Hudson until it gets near Staten Island. On the NJ side,
however, you will see two islands (Ellis and Liberty) which are in NY.
To reach those islands, you must cross the NJ border.

Likewise, the KY boundary is not contiguous. At the far western and
southern end is a little circular island in the middle of the
Mississippi River. Moving just east of the island on the Mississippi you
can see that Missouri is on the north and Tenn. on the south. Moving
further east along the river MO is on the North and KY on the south.

: Here's another one for my fellow Canucks: how many provinces have a land


: boundary with the Northwest Territories? (Hint: you missed one! Which?)

When you ask a question like this, do you count the Yukon as a province?
When you gave the hint, my guess at the missing one was Newfoundland
since I've found that even many Canadians don't realize that Labrador is
a part of Newfoundland.

: And another US puzzle: where is a US county that borders on four states?


: (Not "four corners" even if we accept the corner states as contiguous!
: The corner counties only border on three states other than their own.)

Do you accept the corner states as contiguous? If so, then it's the
county in the western panhandle of Oklahoma. It borders Texas, New
Mexico and Colorado and it's at a corner with Kansas.

: mt
: atlas nerd

Dave - I like atlas nerds

Dave Seaman

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Dec 2, 1993, 1:02:36 PM12/2/93
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In article <CHEyx...@cup.hp.com> me...@cup.hp.com (Dave Medlicott)
writes:

> Likewise, the KY boundary is not contiguous. At the far western and
> southern end is a little circular island in the middle of the
> Mississippi River. Moving just east of the island on the Mississippi you
> can see that Missouri is on the north and Tenn. on the south. Moving
> further east along the river MO is on the North and KY on the south.

It's actually a peninsula, not an island. Although it is possible to
travel from this tiny peninsula to the main part of Kentucky without
crossing the river, you can't do it without passing through Tennessee. If
you try crossing the river, you have to pass through Missouri.

Kentucky is the only state I am aware of that (a) has disconnected pieces
on the same land mass (the condition that started this thread), and (b)
remains disconnected even when you include water areas. New York fails
condition (a), and Michigan, Minnesota, and Hawaii all fail condition (b).

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Dec 2, 1993, 6:58:56 PM12/2/93
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...

> |> >
> |> > How many US states are, like Michigan, divided into two noncontiguous parts
> |> > ON THE SAME LAND MASS? (Hint: more than you think.)
>
> Why do people keep bringing up Maryland? It's a silly shape for a
> jurisdiction, sure, but it is connected.
>
...
>
> mt
Take a close look at a map... You can't get to Ocean City without crossing
a bridge, yet it sure looks like the peninsula is connected to Delaware in
my atlas! It is confusing as it is called Fenwick Island, but it doesn't
seem to be surrounded by water. Anybody from around there know for sure?

KW

Dan Tilque

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Theo Norvell <nor...@csri.toronto.edu> wrote:
>
>The capitol of the closest country to Canada is a tie between
>Washington D.C. and Edinburgh. There are a few square meters of
>Nova Scotian soil in Edinburgh castle which were used for investing
>Nova Scotian baronets. At the time it was a custom that Scottish
>baronets had to be invested on the soil of their baronies. Since
>the King didn't really want to go all that way ... . I think Scotland
>counts as a country still, even though it is a part of the U.K.
>Otherwise: Westminster.

I've been told that a similar situation occurs on the big island of
Hawaii. A small area where Captain Cook was killed was supposedly
given by Hawaii to the UK. Every year on the anniversary of his death,
the Royal Navy sends an officer over and they have some kind of memorial
service or something. I don't know for certain if this is true--my
source was a tour guide.

Someone else said that embassies should count if the Nova Scotia place
counts. I don't think so, since embassies are not permanently foreign
soil. If the embassy moves or is withdrawn, that land reverts to the
host country.

>
>On the other question, Washington should definitely be included
>with Michigan and Virginia. There is a part of Washington which
>can only be reached (over land) by passing through B.C.

Yes. It's called Point Roberts. A similar situation occurs in
Vermont. There's a peninsula in Lake Champlain which is attached to
Quebec, although there are bridges which connect it to the rest of
Vermont and New York.

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PS. this is the last time I read news for an indefinite period. I will
probably check email tomorrow, but that's all.

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Dec 2, 1993, 6:13:51 PM12/2/93
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In article <CHF6...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, a...@seaman.cc.purdue.edu (Dave

Seaman) says:
>
>Kentucky is the only state I am aware of that (a) has disconnected pieces
>on the same land mass (the condition that started this thread), and (b)
>remains disconnected even when you include water areas. New York fails
>condition (a), and Michigan, Minnesota, and Hawaii all fail condition (b).

i think delaware satisfies both conditions.

in what you would think was southwestern new jersey, there are two small
pieces of land which are actually parts of delaware, so condition (a) is
certainly satisfied.

however, i'm not sure about (b). i don't have an atlas here which shows
enough detail to see whether the water boundary extends to these two
pieces of land or not. could someone with a good atlas check? thanks.

bob vesterman.

Dave Seaman

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I can see the two pieces of land on my atlas. One of them definitely
is connected to Delaware-controlled waters in the Delaware bay.
The other is less clear, but it appears that it is probably connected.

The clear-cut case is the tip of a tiny peninsula that is due east
across the bay from Port Penn, Delaware. My map clearly shows that
the state boundary in the bay takes a right-angle turn and cuts
across the peninsula.

The other piece of land is directly south of New Castle, Delaware,
across the bay. In this case I can't see all of the boundary because
it is partly obscured by legends on the map. However, the part I
can see strongly suggests that it is a continuous line that just
cuts across a piece of land and goes back out into the bay again.

--
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Matthew T. Russotto

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My map shows a route almost to Ocean City which crosses only rivers and
similiar bodies of water. Take Rt 40 east to Rt 213 S.-- you'll cross
the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal, rather than the Chesapeake Bay.

Ocean City itself is on an island-- my map seems to show all the
barrier islands connected, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case.
I certainly remember a bridge between OC and Bethany on Coastal
Highway. I think that by the rules of the problem, MD is contiguous.
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Gretchen Dorian

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Dec 3, 1993, 10:40:53 PM12/3/93
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Here's one....where do I live?
I watch the sunrise over Canada and can sail south to Canada from

Lisa Alison Lombard

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Dec 4, 1993, 12:43:03 AM12/4/93
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Gretchen Dorian (GDO...@delphi.com) wrote:
:
: Here's one....where do I live?

: I watch the sunrise over Canada and can sail south to Canada from
^^^^^^^^^^^^Yes....?!?

Possible spoiler below:


Well, I'll extrapolate: (and, I admit, I have a bit of an advantage,
since this is my home town) Detroit, MI. Yep, you have to go _south_ because
there's this little penninsula (sp?) that projects down and hooks a little
to the east.

Lisa

Matthew T. Russotto

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}And another US puzzle: where is a US county that borders on four states?
}(Not "four corners" even if we accept the corner states as contiguous!
}The corner counties only border on three states other than their own.)

I'd guess in West Virginia.

Michael Tobis

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Dec 7, 1993, 5:44:45 PM12/7/93
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In article <CHEyx...@cup.hp.com>, me...@cup.hp.com (Dave Medlicott) writes:
|> Michael Tobis (to...@skool.ssec.wisc.edu) wrote:
|>
|> : New York is NOT on my list. What's the problem with New York?
|>
|> The NY boundary is not contiguous. Look at a map of the lower Manhattan
|> and New Jersey area. You will see the NY/NJ border go neatly down the
|> middle of the Hudson until it gets near Staten Island. On the NJ side,
|> however, you will see two islands (Ellis and Liberty) which are in NY.
|> To reach those islands, you must cross the NJ border.

Interesting! Not on the same land mass though.

|> : Here's another one for my fellow Canucks: how many provinces have a land
|> : boundary with the Northwest Territories? (Hint: you missed one! Which?)
|>
|> When you ask a question like this, do you count the Yukon as a province?
|> When you gave the hint, my guess at the missing one was Newfoundland
|> since I've found that even many Canadians don't realize that Labrador is
|> a part of Newfoundland.

The interesting part is just *where* Labrador has a land border with the NWT.

Yukon (no longer "THE Yukon", btw, presumably following the trend started
by Ukraine and Yucatan!) is not a province. Half the ten provinces border the
NWT on land, and two more have adjacent waters.

|> : And another US puzzle: where is a US county that borders on four states?
|> : (Not "four corners" even if we accept the corner states as contiguous!
|> : The corner counties only border on three states other than their own.)
|>
|> Do you accept the corner states as contiguous? If so, then it's the
|> county in the western panhandle of Oklahoma. It borders Texas, New
|> Mexico and Colorado and it's at a corner with Kansas.

According to my Rand McNally road atlas, there's actually about half a mile
of border between Cimarron County and Kansas. Any Okies out there to
confirm this?

mt

Dave Medlicott

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Michael Tobis (to...@skool.ssec.wisc.edu) wrote:

: Yukon (no longer "THE Yukon", btw, ...

That is really a shame. I really like place names that have a "The" in
them. When I was in the Yukon (1976) I found that my voice got deeper
and I swaggered a little. It seemed to happen to the three others I was
with too. I hope that effect hasn't changed.

: |> : And another US puzzle: where is a US county that borders on four states?


: |> : (Not "four corners" even if we accept the corner states as contiguous!
: |> : The corner counties only border on three states other than their own.)
: |>
: |> Do you accept the corner states as contiguous? If so, then it's the
: |> county in the western panhandle of Oklahoma. It borders Texas, New
: |> Mexico and Colorado and it's at a corner with Kansas.

: According to my Rand McNally road atlas, there's actually about half a mile
: of border between Cimarron County and Kansas. Any Okies out there to
: confirm this?

I just started wearing reading glasses and even with them I couldn't
tell for sure if it was at a corner. I should have said that it LOOKS
like it was at a corner. I could easily be persuaded that it's not.

Dave

Mark Meyer

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In article <1993Dec7.2...@cs.wisc.edu> to...@skool.ssec.wisc.edu (Michael Tobis) writes:
> The interesting part is just *where* Labrador has a land border with
> the NWT.

I know I'M interested. Is there such a place? I can't find
it in my atlas.

> According to my Rand McNally road atlas, there's actually about half a
> mile of border between Cimarron County and Kansas. Any Okies out there
> to confirm this?

Would you settle for a Texan? My map of Texas and Oklahoma,
published by the US Government (US Geological Survey?), also shows
this little border between Cimarron County and Kansas.

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Mark Brader

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[I've taken off the USA distribution restriction which somehow got onto
some parts of the thread.]

> > The interesting part is just *where* Labrador has a land border with
> > the NWT.
>
> I know I'M interested. Is there such a place? I can't find
> it in my atlas.

Curiously, this particular segment of border tends to be hard to see in
good quality atlases, which tend to deemphasize borders to display other
sorts of features more prominently. Try looking in the cheaper type
of atlas, the kind where each province or territory is shaded in a
solid color.
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D. J. McCarthy

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Michael Tobis (to...@skool.ssec.wisc.edu) wrote:
>|> to...@skool.ssec.wisc.edu writes:
>|>> How many US states are, like Michigan, divided into two noncontiguous parts
>|>> ON THE SAME LAND MASS? (Hint: more than you think.)

> Islands are clearly excluded by the problem definition.

I know you posed the question and all, but how do you figure
this? My dictionary defines "contiguous" as "touching". An island
that's contiguous with a land mass is more usually called a peninsula
rather than an island. So why are islands "clearly excluded"?

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Andrew Laurence

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me...@cup.hp.com (Dave Medlicott) writes:

>: Here's another one for my fellow Canucks: how many provinces have a land
>: boundary with the Northwest Territories? (Hint: you missed one! Which?)

>When you ask a question like this, do you count the Yukon as a province?
>When you gave the hint, my guess at the missing one was Newfoundland
>since I've found that even many Canadians don't realize that Labrador is
>a part of Newfoundland.

The four provinces are British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba.
Labrador IS indeed part of Newfoundland, but it has a land border only with
Quebec.
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Mark Meyer

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me...@cup.hp.com (Dave Medlicott) writes:
>: Here's another one for my fellow Canucks: how many provinces have a land
>: boundary with the Northwest Territories? (Hint: you missed one! Which?)

On Tue, 14 Dec 1993 05:25:39 GMT,
laur...@netcom.com (Andrew Laurence) said:
al> The four provinces are British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan and
al> Manitoba. Labrador IS indeed part of Newfoundland, but it has a
al> land border only with Quebec.

Are you sure? My research shows some atlases seem to indicate,
off the northern tip of Labrador, an island, half of which is
Newfoundland and half of which is Northwest Territories. I have been
unable to confirm this with a larger map. (For some reason, maps
don't show this area in detail! :-) Dave, is this what you're talking
about?

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Dik T. Winter

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Some time ago I asked in this same thread the name of a place which could
not be written with letters and hyphen only. The place is Westward Ho!
(the exclamation mark is part of the name). It is in Cornwall, UK; more
precise, on the North coast of Devon. It is a bathing resort named after
Charles Kingsleys novel published 1855. And it is possible to have decent
food there.
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J R Partington

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In article <CI1xL...@cwi.nl> d...@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) writes:
>Some time ago I asked in this same thread the name of a place which could
>not be written with letters and hyphen only. The place is Westward Ho!
>(the exclamation mark is part of the name). It is in Cornwall, UK; more
>precise, on the North coast of Devon. It is a bathing resort named after
>Charles Kingsleys novel published 1855. And it is possible to have decent
>food there.

How about apostrophes, e.g. King's Lynn in Norfolk? Or numbers,
such as Isola 2000, a resort in the French Alps?


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Mike French

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Mike

Mike Robson

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Dec 16, 1993, 5:33:38 PM12/16/93
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Or the place on the coast of Queensland called 1770

Mike French

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Dec 16, 1993, 3:21:19 PM12/16/93
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>
> How about apostrophes, e.g. King's Lynn in Norfolk? Or numbers,
> such as Isola 2000, a resort in the French Alps?
>
>

and Roman numerals (although I suppose these are also letters in the
English alphabet if you want to be pedantic) .... there's a place
in Shropshire, England, called '{something} XI Towns' forget
the first word, I'm sure someone can post the full name.

Mike

Andrew Laurence

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mme...@m2.rts.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer) writes:

>On Tue, 14 Dec 1993 05:25:39 GMT,
>laur...@netcom.com (Andrew Laurence) said:
>al> The four provinces are British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan and
>al> Manitoba. Labrador IS indeed part of Newfoundland, but it has a
>al> land border only with Quebec.

> Are you sure? My research shows some atlases seem to indicate,
>off the northern tip of Labrador, an island, half of which is
>Newfoundland and half of which is Northwest Territories. I have been
>unable to confirm this with a larger map. (For some reason, maps
>don't show this area in detail! :-) Dave, is this what you're talking
>about?

I am not sure. Thanks for the tip. I will have to look more carefully.
This would, of course, necessitate my amending my original answer to FIVE.

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