"Powered by Novarra" bar in Web Pro 3?
Simon Long
I have a Tungsten T2, on which I am running Web Pro 3 (the new version
written for the T3, but which is available to buy for T2 owners -
thought web browsers were generally free nowadays, but anyway!)
At the bottom of the screen is a (frankly annoying) "powered by
Novarra" logo which uses up 5-10% of the available screen space. On
occasion, I have managed to make this vanish, but I'm not sure what I
did to get rid of it, and it keeps coming back! This logo isn't even
shown in the manual for Web Pro 3.
Does anyone have any idea how I get this to go away and not come back?
Or even what the steps are to get rid of it temporarily? I've trid all
the preference settings - I did think it might be related to proxy vs.
proxyless mode, but it doesn't seem to be.
Oh, and if you hold the stylus down on this logo immediately after
starting Web Pro, it soft-resets the Palm. Anyone know if Palm intend
to release bug-fixes to registered users of WP3?
Many thanks for any advice,
Simon
Donna Judson
screen to say the most. I could use some advice on getting rid of this as
well.
Donna Judson
"Thank you very much for your inquiry. I understand that you require
information on removing the blue bar that appear in the lower part of
the screen of the Palm(TM) Tungsten(TM) C handheld while using Palm Web
Pro version 3.0.1b. Jon, it is not possible to remove the bar from the
browser. I realize the inconvenience caused due to the issue.
"For further questions you may send another e-mail message or use our
telephone support at:
"(847) 262- PALM (7256)"
What a crock of sh**. How they can build a program with a permanent ad bar
at the bottom for the developer of the browser that takes up so much
valuable real estate on this small screen is beyond me. And I PAID for this
upgrade, too.
Does anyone know of another browser that works on the Tungsten C in a
wireless mode? Preferably one that understands users need as much space as
possible on a 2.25"x2.25" screen?
Thanks...
Donna Judson
you know what they say, if anything:
"Dear Sir or Madam,
"I am having an ongoing dialog with Palm concerning the product you
developed for them, Web Pro 3. I purchased an upgrade for this product to
be used on my Tungsten C Palm device. After doing so, however, I find that
I am extremely disappointed over the blue advertising bar displayed at the
bottom of the screen, which takes up valuable real estate on such a small
device. A check across user's forums on the internet demonstrated to me
that I am apparently not alone with these thoughts. I am afraid that what
might have been a good intentioned effort to direct users to think of
Novarra for future product choices is having the opposite effect. I know
that this is certainly the case with me as Palm informs me that the bar
cannot be removed. I, like many users, go to great lengths to remove
unwanted advertising from my desktop browser, but with a screen as small as
the Palm unit, the need to do this is critical. I am also particularly
disappointed in the fact that none of the advertisement photos of your
otherwise fine browser product, both on your website and the Palm site,
shows an image of the browser with this bar. Had I seen images of this
nature, I would have had second thoughts about buying this program, as
apparently would have many others.
"Do you have, or are you considering, an upgrade version that allows users
to remove this bar and maximize screen area? Such an upgrade would be
welcome indeed, and would go a long way toward my consideration of future
Novarra products. I would appreciate your thoughts on this issue, as I
would like to continue to use your browser and not consider other options."
Adam Vazquez Kb2jpd
One suggestion is to vote with your Palm. I use EudoraWeb and Blazer
browsers for way faster text reception. The WebPro takes forever
formatting for no good reason. Blazer is available from
www.palmgear.com and eudoraweb is free. Both however do not do
Javascript nor SSL.
David A. Desrosiers
> One suggestion is to vote with your Palm. I use EudoraWeb and Blazer
> browsers for way faster text reception. The WebPro takes forever
> formatting for no good reason.
Is this with, or without the Proxy enabled?
Simon Long
I've also emailed Palm UK about this, but I suspect their answer will
be the same. So, I got to thinking...
If you feel brave, you can try the following. Disclaimer - this seems
to work on my T2, but I have no idea as to whether it will cause any
problems. I found it out by playing and making some intelligent (?)
guesses - I'd take a backup before trying it!
Get hold of a copy of the Palm application RsrcEdit (part of the
OnBoard C compiler) - this allows you to modify an application's
resources.
Use it to open "WebProV". Scroll down the list of resources to the one
named "tFRM 1000" - this is the main screen of the web browser.
You now need to change the sizes of some of the items on the screen:
Gadget 1008 is the "powered by Novarra" logo - it should be 160 x 13,
at 0, 147. Change this to 1 x 1 at 159, 159.
Scrollbar 1019 is the horizontal scrollbar - it should be 152 x 7, at
0, 140. Leave the size unchanged, but move it to 0, 153.
Scrollbar 1006 is the vertical scrollbar - it should be 7 x 110, at
153, 29. Leave the position unchanged, but change the size to 7 x 123.
Gadget 1005 is the window in which the web page is rendered - it
should be 152 x 110, at 0, 29. Leave the position unchanged, but
change the size to 152 x 123.
List 1004 is the drop-down history list - it should be 130 x 110, at
1, 29. Leave the position unchanged, but change the size to 130 x 123.
The changes get saved automatically in RsrcEdit - quit and run WebPro
to see the effect.
To explain, the annoying logo is a strip 13 pixels high across the
bottom of the screen. The instructions above shrink this to a single
pixel at the bottom right of the screen, and then move the bottom
scroll bar down by 13 pixels, make the vertical scroll bar longer by
13 pixels, and resize the useful area of the screen by making it 13
pixels taller.
I don't think that doing this should cause any problems with the code
- on my T2, the web pages simply take up the newly sized window, and
all seems to work - YMMV. I'm going to try it for a few days and see
what happens - unless Palm / Novarra decide to sort it for us!
Cheers,
Simon
Donna Judson
Ran the app and fixed the numbers as you indicated, and it worked! In fact,
I fudged them a little further vertically to 130 because with the five-way
button on the Tungsten C, I can scroll side to side for the few times I need
to. By setting everything vertical to 130, I pushed the horizontal scroll
bar off of the screen entirely.
Now, as long as we're playing, how about figuring out a way to get rid of
that stupid address bar for even MORE space!
Simon Long
> that stupid address bar for even MORE space!
Doesn't full screen mode do that? On the untweaked version, full
screen got rid of everything except the Novarra logo - on my tweaked
version, it gets rid of everything on the screen. I did have a
moment's panic when I tried full screen mode and saw that the vertical
scroll bar didn't redraw until you clicked on it, but reverting to the
untweaked version showed that this was the original behaviour as well,
so it wasn't something I broke! All the more reason for Palm and
Novarra to put out a bug-fixed version, without any unnecessary
advertising...
I've been using mine with the tweaked parameters all day, and I
haven't managed to crash it yet - looks like the change to the screen
doesn't break anything else.
If you want to get rid of the address bar but leave the icons on the
top of the screen, I think the relevant resources you need to resize
are :
Field 1001 - used to enter the address
Graphic 1002 - the down arrow that pops up the history list
Button 1003 - the "Go" button
Bitmap 5460 - the padlock shown at the start of the address of a
secure site
As before, I'd resize to 1 x 1 rather than deleting - as I discovered
early on, deleting resources tends to make the program crash in an
unsightly heap!
Simon
Donna Judson
"Doesn't full screen mode do that? On the untweaked version, full screen got
rid of everything except the Novarra logo"
Actually, full screen mode drops everything (except the Novarra logo of
course!), and doesn't give you anything for navigation.
I get the impression that whoever designed this program didn't use it very
much afterward. Who, in their right mind, would develop a program to surf
the net, and take up 1/3 of the 2-1/4" screen with logos, drop downs, and
navigation buttons? It's like peeking at the internet though a hole.
Overall, the program is solid, but the design needs some serious rework.
I'd like to see them open up the screen, lose the logo and address bar, and
shrink the navigation buttons to an unobtrusive size. A good design example
to follow is Blazer. In fact, if Blazer came out with a new version that
supports Java Script, maybe frames, ability to highlight and copy, and
higher resolution graphics, I'd switch in a minute.
But then again, that's just me...
Jeffrey Kaplan
; formatting for no good reason. Blazer is available from
; www.palmgear.com and eudoraweb is free. Both however do not do
; Javascript nor SSL.
Is there a Palm web browser with SSL? I'm using an OS4 device.
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Patrick Hundal
first open the browser, from then on, it should disappear.
That said, there appears to be a bug in the WebPro 3.01b browser when
you change the "Start With" setting in Preferences->Default area. If
you have this set as either "blank page" or "bookmarks", the blue bar
will not disappear.
Hope this helps...
Patrick
si...@longnews.freeserve.co.uk (Simon Long) wrote in message news:<891fd138.03121...@posting.google.com>...
Simon Long
> Actually, the blue bar should only appear on the first page when you
> first open the browser, from then on, it should disappear.
>
> That said, there appears to be a bug in the WebPro 3.01b browser when
> you change the "Start With" setting in Preferences->Default area. If
> you have this set as either "blank page" or "bookmarks", the blue bar
> will not disappear.
That's excellent! How on earth did you know that, given that Palm
didn't seem to?
It's actually even better than I thought. I had indeed got "blank
page" as my start page, and the "Powered by Novarra" bar was there all
the time. It seems that all you need to do is to select "home page" as
the start page, run WebPro and browse to another page (which gets rid
of the bar, as you say), and you can then set your start page back to
"blank page" and the logo is gone for good!
And to think I sent a huge list of detailed instructions to Palmtop
User on how to get rid of the bar with a resource editor... Mind you,
it is a disgrace that Palm support didn't tell me what you did when I
asked - but I find "support" to be a slightly inaccurate term to
describe a bunch of people who spend their lives telling you that,
yes, that bit doesn't work properly and they can't help unless you
erase every non-Palm app on your device!
Many thanks,
Simon
U. Lippke
> pkhu...@yahoo.com (Patrick Hundal) wrote...
>
>> Actually, the blue bar should only appear on the first page when you
>> first open the browser, from then on, it should disappear.
>> That said, there appears to be a bug in the WebPro 3.01b browser when
>> you change the "Start With" setting in Preferences->Default area. If
>> you have this set as either "blank page" or "bookmarks", the blue bar
>> will not disappear.
>
> page" as my start page, and the "Powered by Novarra" bar was there all
> the time. It seems that all you need to do is to select "home page" as
> the start page, run WebPro and browse to another page (which gets rid
> of the bar, as you say), and you can then set your start page back to
> "blank page" and the logo is gone for good!
I wonder what website is "home page"?
Is this browser keen on phoning home...?
Gruß
Uwe
Simon Long
> page" as my start page, and the "Powered by Novarra" bar was there all
> the time. It seems that all you need to do is to select "home page" as
> the start page, run WebPro and browse to another page (which gets rid
> of the bar, as you say), and you can then set your start page back to
> "blank page" and the logo is gone for good!
To follow up on my own post:
Errr, no - the logo is not gone for good if you do what I describe
above. It is gone until midnight - the next morning, it will be there
again. Clearly, Novarra want you to see their logo at least once a
day, in case you forget who they are.
And suddenly, my list of RsrcEdit hacks become useful again...
S.