Selling a Class C address
bsiel...@my-deja.com
class C address I secured when the net was young. Does anyone know
what this would be worth today. They want me to give them a proposed
amount. They want their own IP range so that if they move from one ISP
to the other (which they are doing now)they do not have to reprogram
all of their IP internet devices.
Thanks for your help
-Bob
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Andrew
and you may find that the agreement prohibits any kind of
resale. This was the case for address allocated by Aunic
which is what would be relevant to this news group......
Leon Garde
> Have a look in the original documentation for the class C
> and you may find that the agreement prohibits any kind of
> resale.
Any kind ?
So If I buy telstra, I also have to buy a quazillion ip addresses
from apnic as I can not buy the ip addresses they already have ?
So lets just assume that they dont actively authorise, adjudicate
or account for ip address range sales.
But they cant actually stop them.
(better have some legal document to show the sale was legitimate ?)
J.Cottingim
directly from the internic, not an ISP or tiered provider. With this in
mind, what would it be worth?
If it is still illegal to sell an address range, then what about when
companies that have valid addresses, are purchased by another company?
Would they have to relinquish their address space?... I doubt it.
JC
In article <3A449416...@yahoo.com>,
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Ken Kirkby
>
> I believe the address space he it talking about is one acquired
> directly from the internic, not an ISP or tiered provider. With this in
> mind, what would it be worth?
>
> If it is still illegal to sell an address range, then what about when
> companies that have valid addresses, are purchased by another company?
> Would they have to relinquish their address space?... I doubt it.
Yes they would - the situation is covered quite clearly on APNICs
webpages, APNIC being the issuing body of IP addresses for the
Asia Pacific Region And they make it clear that address space is only
leased.
www.apnic.net/docs/add-manage-policy.html which coverages the management
of address space.
.2. Address space lease
APNIC will allocate Internet resources on a 'lease' basis, with
such leases to be of specific
limited duration (normally one year).
The conditions of all leases will be set out in the APNIC
membership agreements and other
relevant APNIC documentation and will be consistent with the
applicable APNIC policies
relating to resource allocations and assignments at the time of
entering or renewing the
lease.
Leases to organisations shall be renewable on the conditions
that (a) the original basis of the
allocation remains valid and (b) that registration requirements
relating to that allocation have
been fulfilled at the time of renewal.
When a lease is renewed, the new lease will be governed by the
applicable resource
allocation policies and lease renewal policies at the time of
renewal, provided that a minimum
notice period of one year is given of any substantial changes to
the conditions of the current
lease.
All substantial changes to lease conditions shall be subject to
the consensus of APNIC
members. Furthermore, such changes to the conditions of current
leases shall be subject to a
defined minimum period of notice (normally one year), except in
exceptional circumstances
recognised by a consensus of APNIC members.
Individual leases shall only be subject to review if the
relevant IR has reason to believe that the
existing lease terms are no longer being complied with. IRs may
implement their own
procedures for the review of existing leases as they see fit.
And
7.20. Transfer of address space
Subject to the more specific provisions of Section 7.21, APNIC
policy does not recognise the
sale or unauthorised transfer of address space and will consider
all such transfers to be
invalid. APNIC will require organisations holding such transfers
to return them to the
appropriate IR.
7.21. Mergers, acquisitions and takeovers of LIRs
7.21.1. Updating registration details
If an LIR changes ownership (due to a merger, sale, or
takeover), then the new entity must
register any changes to its network usage and contact personnel.
If the effect of a takeover,
sale, or merger is that the LIR changes name, then the LIR must
provide to APNIC relevant
legal documentation supporting the name change.
7.21.2. Effect on membership agreement
If an LIR changes ownership then the new entity should advise
APNIC of the change. APNIC
membership is not transferable from one entity to another;
however, if following a change in
ownership, the LIR becomes a subsidiary of another entity and
the infrastructures of the
respective entities remain fully independent, then the
membership agreement may continue.
7.21.3. Consequences for allocations
Following a merger, sale, or takeover of an LIR, APNIC will
review the status of any
allocations that are held by the new entity or entities. In
doing this, APNIC will also have
regard to the practical effect on the infrastructures of the
entities involved.
If the practical effect of the merger, sale, or takeover is that
the infrastructures of the two LIRs
are merged, then APNIC will not continue to make separate
allocations to both. This situation
will invalidate the membership agreement of the LIR that is
effectively subsumed.
In all such cases, when assessing the status of allocations,
APNIC will require full disclosure
of all address space held by all of the LIRs in question. If
such disclosure is not made, then
those allocations will be considered invalid and APNIC will
require that they be returned.
>
> JC
>
> In article <3A449416...@yahoo.com>,
> Andrew <tx3tu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Have a look in the original documentation for the class C
> > and you may find that the agreement prohibits any kind of
> > resale. This was the case for address allocated by Aunic
> > which is what would be relevant to this news group......
> >
> > bsiel...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > > I was recently approached by a brokerage downtown chicago to sell
> the
> > > class C address I secured when the net was young. Does anyone know
> > > what this would be worth today. They want me to give them a
> proposed
> > > amount. They want their own IP range so that if they move from one
> ISP
> > > to the other (which they are doing now)they do not have to reprogram
> > > all of their IP internet devices.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help
> > > -Bob
> > >
Net result is that you may find that the address block is undelegatable
and/or unroutable. You end up better of using a 10.x.x.x address for all
the good it would do you.
--
Ken Kirkby
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