NetScape's Enhancements to HTML
Glenn Davis
to HTML?
In case you don't know, NetScape (The new browser from Mosaic Communications)
allows enhancements to HTML that Webmasters have been dying for. Things
like:
Centered Text
Font size changes withing a line
Floating left or right justified graphics with text flow around them.
Control over size and placement of horizontal rules
Lots more that I won't get into plus one undocumented stealth feature
If you have netscape, you can see a few of these things in action at
two of my URLs:
http://www.infi.net/cool.html (Cool Site of the Day)
http://www.infi.net/partners.html
If you don't have NetScape yet. Whattaya waitin' for?!? You can find it
today through Today's Cool Site.
Glenn Davis
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Nico Veenkamp
> Has anyone besides myself been doing anything with NetScape's enhancements
> to HTML?
I have been playing a bit with NetScape today. And I must say I
am impressed. I am using at over a SLIP link using a 14K4 modem
and especially the speed with which it runs I like very much.
At the moment I have one minor gripe. In the documentation it says
that netscape expects to find a c:\netscape directory for its
history and bookmark files. If you don't want them there
edit the .ini file. I have done this but it still wants
a c:\netscape directory.
Re: bookmarks: I love the editing abilities of this window way mucho :-)
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John M. Troyer
>Has anyone besides myself been doing anything with NetScape's enhancements
>to HTML?
Although I like some of the enhancements (I've been a beta-tester)
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show how easily some things, like the <FONT SIZE=+3> tag, can be abused
The <blink> tag is a curse on humanity. Please don't use it lightly.
The tag is a curse on humanity. Please don't use it lightly.
The <blink> tag is a curse on humanity. Please don't use it lightly.
The tag is a curse on humanity. Please don't use it lightly.
The <blink> tag is a curse on humanity. Please don't use it lightly.
The tag is a curse on humanity. Please don't use it lightly.
The <blink> tag is a curse on humanity. Please don't use it lightly.
The tag is a curse on humanity. Please don't use it lightly.
The <blink> tag is a curse on humanity. Please don't use it lightly.
The tag is a curse on humanity. Please don't use it lightly.
The <blink> tag is a curse on humanity. Please don't use it lightly.
The tag is a curse on humanity. Please don't use it lightly.
:-)
The <img align=left> is seriously cool, though.
Lou Montulli
>
> The <blink> tag is a curse on humanity. Please don't use it lightly.
>
It just goes to show that one shouldn't mix beer and code.
On the windows version there is an option to turn blinking permenantly
off, I think that may be needed on Mac and X as well.
Shiva Shenoy
>At the moment I have one minor gripe. In the documentation it says
>that netscape expects to find a c:\netscape directory for its
>history and bookmark files. If you don't want them there
>edit the .ini file. I have done this but it still wants
>a c:\netscape directory.
Are you sure that your netscape.ini filel is in your windows directory? Works
fine for me.
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James C Deikun
>Has anyone besides myself been doing anything with NetScape's enhancements
>to HTML?
Jeez, I hope not.
> In case you don't know, NetScape (The new browser from Mosaic Communications)
> allows enhancements to HTML that Webmasters have been dying for. Things
>like:
> Centered Text
> Font size changes withing a line
> Floating left or right justified graphics with text flow around them.
> Control over size and placement of horizontal rules
> Lots more that I won't get into plus one undocumented stealth feature
If you want to send something like this over the web, you should use
application/wordperfect or the like rather than further debasing poor HTML.
>If you don't have NetScape yet. Whattaya waitin' for?!? You can find it
>today through Today's Cool Site.
If you can't tell already, I'm putting it off 'til after the next Porcine
Aerobatics Fair comes to town.
Gert Blij
>At the moment I have one minor gripe. In the documentation it says
>that netscape expects to find a c:\netscape directory for its
>history and bookmark files. If you don't want them there
>edit the .ini file. I have done this but it still wants
>a c:\netscape directory.
It worked fine for me !!!!!
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Mike Meyer
>If you don't have NetScape yet. Whattaya waitin' for?!? You can find it
>today through Today's Cool Site.
Source, so I can build it for the platforms I have access to.
<mike
Nico Veenkamp
> In <Te35Tc...@stam.nl> nic...@stam.nl (Nico Veenkamp) writes:
> >At the moment I have one minor gripe. In the documentation it says
> >that netscape expects to find a c:\netscape directory for its
> >history and bookmark files. If you don't want them there
> >edit the .ini file. I have done this but it still wants
> >a c:\netscape directory.
>
> Are you sure that your netscape.ini filel is in your windows directory? Works
> fine for me.
Oops, you're right. It lives in my c:\windows\netscape directory.
Have to move it up one level.
Burn This Flag BBS
: > Has anyone besides myself been doing anything with NetScape's enhancements
: > to HTML?
: I have been playing a bit with NetScape today. And I must say I
: am impressed. I am using at over a SLIP link using a 14K4 modem
: and especially the speed with which it runs I like very much.
I agree, this is one slick product.
I notice the centering of text and the various line lengths in their
home page. Is this in the HTML+ Spec? Or is this the HTML 2.0 spec?
Is there a complete list available?
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Andrew Lih
I definitely agree. However, I would suggest also changing the blink
rate to something a bit more human-factors friendly.
Anyone who has built network monitoring systems with blinking alerts
knows that blink rates shouldn't simply be: 1 tick on, 1 tick off.
For readability, and not driving your users nuts, you should have, a
sequence of 3 ticks on, 1 tick off, 3 ticks on, etc. That is, you
only need to blink the text off for a short duration to achieve a
good effect.
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David Staschover
[...]
: At the moment I have one minor gripe. In the documentation it says
: that netscape expects to find a c:\netscape directory for its
: history and bookmark files. If you don't want them there
: edit the .ini file. I have done this but it still wants
: a c:\netscape directory.
I had no trouble with that edit...try again :)
Also, I'm annoyed that the Windows version doesn't print..I'm still
looking for a browser that will print forms with the boxes..
David Staschover
d...@panix.com
Bill Arnett
M. Troyer) wrote:
>...
> The <blink> tag is a curse on humanity. Please don't use it lightly.
> The tag is a curse on humanity. Please don't use it lightly.
> The <blink> tag is a curse on humanity. Please don't use it lightly.
>...
I couldn't find any documentation for this tag in the "Extensions to Html"
page. Is there some other secret document I should know about?
Epileptic Mozilla users will be glad to know that the following doesn't work:
<blink>
<img src="bigred.gif">
</blink>
:-)
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Jamie Zawinski
>
> Also, I'm annoyed that the Windows version doesn't print..
That's because we're all a bunch of treehuggers over here and don't think you
really need to waste all that paper. Haven't you heard? We Know Best (tm).
-- Jamie
(PS: For the sarcasm-impaired, that was a joke, I'm just trying to live up to
Tim Pierce's worst expectations.)
Nicolas Pioch
[comp.infosystems.www.providers,comp.infosystems.www.misc]
| I couldn't find any documentation for this tag in the "Extensions to Html"
| page. Is there some other secret document I should know about?
MCOM Netscape extensions are WAY cool, and totally compatible with
other browsers since the HTML specs just says they should ignore them :)
Like them? Use them (I will!)
Don't? Leave them alone :)
Too bad they forgot to mention <BLINK>... did they forget <STRIKE> too ?
O:)
Cheers
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Bill Arnett
Pioch) wrote:
> [bi...@netcom.com (Bill Arnett)]
> [comp.infosystems.www.providers,comp.infosystems.www.misc]
> | I couldn't find any documentation for this tag in the "Extensions to Html"
> | page. Is there some other secret document I should know about?
>
> MCOM Netscape extensions are WAY cool,
That they are!
> and totally compatible with
> other browsers since the HTML specs just says they should ignore them :)
Well, mostly anyway :-(
> Like them? Use them (I will!)
Yes. Only where necessary and in such a way as to maintain good
appearance with other browsers. Its a drag to have to test with so many
browsers. But since they are all so different, I have little choice.
> Don't? Leave them alone :)
Wish I could but I'm being forced. See my prior posting.
> Too bad they forgot to mention <BLINK>... did they forget <STRIKE> too ?
I couldn't find any reference to <strike>. What other "easter eggs" await
us in Netscape?
Roger Bishop Jones
but the fact that it behaves sensibly half way through loading a large
file.
However, I must have a mental block, I just can't find anywhere to request
a file download. The only time I wanted to do one so far it seemed to use
telepathy to work out that that was what I wanted, so I guess it must have
decided that it didn't know what else to do with it. When I want to download
something which it knows how to display I'm going to be screwed.
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Mike Kelsey
question, not a provider/server issue at all. ]
You're probably looking for the "Load to Disk" menu item, just as I was.
Well, Netscape is trying hard to avoid look-and-feel conflicts with Mosaic
(other than simple HTML compliance), so they don't have such an item. Under
[File], select "Save Next Link As...". Then, the next one thing you click
on will be saved to your local disk, and you'll get a file browser pop-up
to specify the filename.
MCC has done two nice things with this menu item, which make it superior (in
my opinion) to NCSA Mosaic: first, it only applies to the next thing you
click on, so you don't have to remember to turn it off when you're done.
Second, they provide a sensible keyboard shortcut: [Shift-Click] will do
the same thing, so you don't need to use the menu item at all.
All of Netscape's keyboard shortcuts are shown in the pulldown menus, right
next to the menu item labels.
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MK>MCC has done two nice things with this menu item, [ . . . ]
You might not want to refer to them as MCC since there is another
entity on the net who's been known as MCC for somewhat over a decade
and in fact, EINet (the makers of MacWeb and WinWeb) is part of MCC.
This could lead to confusion.
Cheers,
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Bill Arnett
kel...@jupiter.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Mike Kelsey) wrote:
>...
> You're probably looking for the "Load to Disk" menu item, just as I was.
> Well, Netscape is trying hard to avoid look-and-feel conflicts with Mosaic
> (other than simple HTML compliance), so they don't have such an item. Under
> [File], select "Save Next Link As...". Then, the next one thing you click
> on will be saved to your local disk, and you'll get a file browser pop-up
> to specify the filename.
>
> MCC has done two nice things with this menu item, which make it superior (in
> my opinion) to NCSA Mosaic: first, it only applies to the next thing you
> click on, so you don't have to remember to turn it off when you're done.
This breaks the cardinal rule of GUI design promulgated more than a decade
ago by the developers of the original Smalltalk and almost universally
accepted since:
"DON'T MODE ME IN!"
In other words, don't use modes; especially invisible modes.
I much prefer MacWeb's way of doing this: a popup menu that lets you
choose what action you want to perform on the link. If you click quickly
you just traverse to it but if you press for a bit you get the popup.
> Second, they provide a sensible keyboard shortcut: [Shift-Click] will do
> the same thing, so you don't need to use the menu item at all.
This wouldn't be so bad (albeit a bit obscure) but it doesn't seem to work
on the Mac version.
Steven Fernandez
Hi everyone,
how can I get a list of the extensions Netscape adds to HTML? How do I use
them etc? is there a way to selectively use them based on what program your
reader is using?
Thanks
Steve
Jamie Zawinski
>
> You're probably looking for the "Load to Disk" menu item, just as I was.
> Well, Netscape is trying hard to avoid look-and-feel conflicts with Mosaic
> (other than simple HTML compliance), so they don't have such an item.
No, that's not why, since we all know that look-and-feel is not protectable.
We just thought that "Save Next Link As" was a better name. :-)
> Second, they provide a sensible keyboard shortcut: [Shift-Click] will do
> the same thing, so you don't need to use the menu item at all.
Actually NCSA xmosaic had this shortcut too.
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Dave Stafford
>> Font size changes withing a line
>> Floating left or right justified graphics with text flow around them.
>> Control over size and placement of horizontal rules
>> Lots more that I won't get into plus one undocumented stealth feature
>If you want to send something like this over the web, you should use
>application/wordperfect or the like rather than further debasing poor HTML.
Yeah, let's go back to VT100 terminals and use Lynx only. No, let's use
paper tape instead. In fact, let's chip it out on clay tablets and have
them delivered by camel!
Dave
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James C Deikun
Dave Stafford <da...@bccsun1.estec.esa.nl> wrote:
>>> Centered Text
>>> Font size changes withing a line
>>> Floating left or right justified graphics with text flow around them.
>>> Control over size and placement of horizontal rules
>>> Lots more that I won't get into plus one undocumented stealth feature
>
>>If you want to send something like this over the web, you should use
>>application/wordperfect or the like rather than further debasing poor HTML.
>
>Yeah, let's go back to VT100 terminals and use Lynx only. No, let's use
>paper tape instead. In fact, let's chip it out on clay tablets and have
>them delivered by camel!
Ahem.
While that may have been a lot of fun for you, it doesn't really apply.
Keeping non-logical markup out of HTML is not "backwards." The idea
that HTML needs to include these things to move forward is, IMHO,
similar to insisting that your dishwasher also wash clothes. HTML was
designed for one thing, PDLs for another, and never the twain shall
meet, or at least, never shall anything good come out of such a meeting.
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R. Cliff Young
Bill Arnett <bi...@netcom.com> wrote:
>In article <Cxvp...@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>,
>kel...@jupiter.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Mike Kelsey) wrote:
>> Second, they provide a sensible keyboard shortcut: [Shift-Click] will do
>> the same thing, so you don't need to use the menu item at all.
>
>This wouldn't be so bad (albeit a bit obscure) but it doesn't seem to work
>on the Mac version.
That's because the Mac version uses [Option-Click] instead.
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What the hell is an "undocumented stealth feature"? It makes your
workstation invisible to radar?
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Dave Steele
Fernandez) wrote:
> how can I get a list of the extensions Netscape adds to HTML?
> ...
They are listed at http://home.mcom.com/home/services_docs/html-extensions.html
> is there a way to selectively use them based on what program your
> reader is using?
No, but old readers are supposed to ignore things they don't understand
and format to the best of their ability.
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Joe Meadows
>This isn't quite true. You can't do anything about the static
>documents, but CGI scripts can tailor their output to the reader by
>examining the HTTP_USER_AGENT environment variable. You can also
>tailor your output to accomodate the MIME types the reader accepts,
>using the HTTP_ACCEPT environment variable. Below are the environment
>variables my server sees when someone using MacMosaic 1.0.1 connects.
Being behind a firewall, I'd like to comment that the above approach
could be problematic - if you actually figure out the browser being used
by a specific client (the agent field yields a nice long string including
all of the intermediate proxy servers, ending with the original client),
and you don't explicitly send a header to indicate that the document should
expire immediately, then a proxy/caching server will store the original
document (as output for one specific browser) and return it to any other
user requesting it through the same proxy/caching server, and they may _not_
be running the same browser. If you _do_ specify that the document should
expire immediately, then there's no way to effectively cache that document
which is a shame if the original document could otherwise be effectively
cached.
A possible alternate solution would be to have the cgi script do a redirect
to a client specific (or mime type acceptable) version of the document
(which could just be a redirect to the same script but add a browser name
to the initial part of the path?) I haven't tested this idea out at all,
but it seems possible (now, whether it's worth the effort is a different
question)...
Cheers,
Joe Meadows mead...@boeing.com