What do you call this act?
Bun Mui
Argentine dancer did when she wrapped her leg in front of Prince Charles
legs as shown on many headline newspapers around the world and on t.v.?
An "exhibitionist"?
Where is Jerry Falwell when you need him?
Comments?
Bun Mui
Garry J. Vass
<Bun...@my-dejanews.com> writes
>Is there a special word in English usage which you could describe what the
>Argentine dancer did when she wrapped her leg in front of Prince Charles
>legs as shown on many headline newspapers around the world and on t.v.?
>
this? Bloody Aitch Hell.
--
Garry J. Vass
Rachel Meisel
: >Is there a special word in English usage which you could describe what the
: >Argentine dancer did when she wrapped her leg in front of Prince Charles
: >legs as shown on many headline newspapers around the world and on t.v.?
: >
: Was this *actually* carried in the foreign press? Can anyone confirm
: this? Bloody Aitch Hell.
Yup. There was a large AP photo in Thursday's _Boston Globe_.
Cheers,
Rachel
Engkent
find a definition and alternate spellings, "bumph" and "bumf," but can any
a.u.e. denizens tell me more? How long has the word been kicking around? (Am
I way behind the times if I've just seen it for the first time?) Which
spelling is preferred? What fields is the word used in? Where did the word
come from?
Thanks.
Lucia
Ingeborg S. Nordén
Engkent wrote in message ...
"Bumf" is a clipped form of the British slang term "bumfodder"
(bum=buttocks). In its original sense, the word referred to toilet paper;
the meaning has been extended to mean any annoying or cumbersome collection
of papers (such as forms which the speaker thinks are a waste of time to
complete). It is not necessarily *limited* to one field--although
bureaucrats, and people who have to deal with them, might have more occasion
to use the word. I am not sure how old "bumf" is, but Americans definitely
*don't* use it unless they are trying to imitate a Brit.
William Lieblich
rather than the news section. Charles looked -- for him -- rather
animated.
--
Bill Lieblich
Garry J. Vass
writes
affinity of these two seaboard trumpets to that of our Prime Minister, I
find it hard to imagine that the Foreign Secretary would serve up yet
*another* PR disaster by even letting them in the door.
How did they get in? Who controlled the invitations? Who's minding the
shop? At the exact point in time when we need to be *massively*
British, our elfin, horse's-ass Foreign Secretary drops the ball. Just
look at those pictures and look forward to the day that the British
Pound is a lower case, anecdotal footnote in contemporary history.
Bloody Aitch Hell. Another Labour cock-up. Merkins note: without the
British Pound, you are in deep shit world economic-wise... Trust me on
this one.
obAUE: please forgive this rant. These matters are *quite* serious at
the moment.
--
Garry J. Vass
John Davies
<rune...@email.msn.com> writes
According to Partridge [1], "bumfodder", ie toilet paper, dates from the
mid 17th century, and the abbreviation "bumf" from the mid 19th. From
around 1870 it came to mean any kind of paper, and the usual modern
meaning of "orders, instructions, memoranda etc, especially of a routine
nature" originated in military slang of World War 1.
[1] Paul BEALE (ed). A Concise dictionary of slang and unconventional
English, from A Dictionary of slang and unconventional English, by Eric
Partridge. Routledge, 1989. 0 415 06352 3.
--
John Davies (jo...@redwoods.demon.co.uk)
Engkent
Ingeborg S. Nordén wrote in message ...
>"Bumf" is a clipped form of the British slang term "bumfodder"
>(bum=buttocks). In its original sense, the word referred to toilet paper;
>the meaning has been extended to mean any annoying or cumbersome collection
>of papers (such as forms which the speaker thinks are a waste of time to
>complete). It is not necessarily *limited* to one field--although
>bureaucrats, and people who have to deal with them, might have more
occasion
>to use the word. I am not sure how old "bumf" is, but Americans definitely
>*don't* use it unless they are trying to imitate a Brit.
Then I think it's gone beyond imitation because I saw it used by Canadian
and American writers. It seemed to refer to the excesses of advertising.
Lucia
Raymot
>
>Is there a special word in English usage which you could describe what the
>Argentine dancer did when she wrapped her leg in front of Prince Charles
>legs as shown on many headline newspapers around the world and on t.v.?
I'll start the bidding with "enjambement"
Raymot
[[[[[[[
a1a5...@bc.sympatico.ca
wrote:
I do not think the Prince was as cut up as Mr Vass.
Mike Barnes
>I came across the word "bumpf" for the first time this week. I managed to
>find a definition and alternate spellings, "bumph" and "bumf," but can any
>a.u.e. denizens tell me more? How long has the word been kicking around? (Am
>I way behind the times if I've just seen it for the first time?) Which
>spelling is preferred? What fields is the word used in? Where did the word
>come from?
Bum fodder, i.e. paper good for nothing else. That's a British-type
bum, of course, an ass rather than a vagrant.
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-- Mike Barnes, Stockport, England.
-- If you post a response to Usenet, please *don't* send me a copy by e-mail.
John Kilburn
Bun Mui wrote in message ...
>Is there a special word in English usage which you could describe what the
Argentine dancer did when she wrapped her leg in front of Prince Charles
A leg over?
j.k.
Charles A. Lee
wrote:
>I came across the word "bumpf" for the first time this week. I managed to
>find a definition and alternate spellings, "bumph" and "bumf," but can any
>a.u.e. denizens tell me more? How long has the word been kicking around? (Am
>I way behind the times if I've just seen it for the first time?) Which
>spelling is preferred? What fields is the word used in? Where did the word
>come from?
>
RHUD2 reports that this is a shortening of "bumfodder." First
documented in writings of the period of around 1885, this combines bum
in the sense of a hobo or tramp, and fodder meaning raw material.
This combination casts aspersions on paperwork by comparing it to the
insulation that street people often conglomerate from leftover paper
products.
Charles A. Lee
Webkeeper, Tucson Computer Society. http://www.aztcs.org
N.Mitchum
-----
> According to Partridge [1], "bumfodder", ie toilet paper, dates from the
>.....
How common was the use of toilet paper in the 17th century?
Common enough for it to acquire its own slang name? I can imagine
some among the upper classes buying paper in the necessary
quantities, but I don't see how the lower orders could have
afforded it, not even waste paper.
That is, although the word itself may date to the 17th century, it
seems unlikely either that everyone knew it or that many of them
used the stuff.
----NM
A. Farrell
John Kilburn wrote:
In potentia.
John Davies
There is probably a market for a book on the history of "arse wipes",
as the first English translators of Rabelais called them: books on the
history of the lavatory have in the past sold quite well, I believe.
Perhaps it should be printed on some suitably absorbent stock, so that
if it is a commercial failure the remainders can be put to an
appropriate use.
Until such a work appears, I can only answer your query with speculation
and half-remembered facts, a limitation that has never stopped me or
anyone else from posting here in the past.
I don't believe that specially manufactured toilet paper was around in
the 17th century; I think it goes back to the late 19th century at the
earliest. But people certainly used waste paper for the purpose well
before then, and Rabelais himself is a good witness that it was so used
in the 16th century. My old Penguin edition has long since fallen apart
(no, I didn't use it for that), but I half recall a couplet in it which
goes something like:
"He whose arse with paper wipes
Shall on his bum-hole leave some chipes"
(You will doubtless recall that Gargantua eventually concluded that the
best arse-wipe of all was the neck of a live goose, worked to and fro
between the legs.)
I remember hearing or reading a story once about Queen Victoria, who was
on a visit to either Oxford or Cambridge, and crossing one of the river
bridges on foot noticed a large number of sheets of paper floating on
the water below her. At that time the colleges' sewage went straight
into the river, and the paper was an essential part of it. "What are
all those sheets of paper in the water?" she asked the Vice-Chancellor,
who was accompanying her. "Loyal addresses to your Majesty!" replied
the quick-thinking academic.
--
John Davies (jo...@redwoods.demon.co.uk)
A. Farrell
John Davies wrote: [...]
> There is probably a market for a book on the history of "arse wipes",
> as the first English translators of Rabelais called them: books on the
> history of the lavatory have in the past sold quite well, I believe.
> Perhaps it should be printed on some suitably absorbent stock, so that
> if it is a commercial failure the remainders can be put to an
> appropriate use.
[...]
A fitting end?
A. Farrell
Craig Welch wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:59:58 +0000, "Garry J. Vass"
> <Ga...@gvass.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>Is there a special word in English usage which you could describe what the
> >>Argentine dancer did when she wrapped her leg in front of Prince Charles
> >>legs as shown on many headline newspapers around the world and on t.v.?
> >>
> >Was this *actually* carried in the foreign press? Can anyone confirm
> >this? Bloody Aitch Hell.
>
> Foreign press? Couldn't say. But it was carried in the Australian
> press.
But don't we rank as foreigners cobber?
Robert Lieblich
In the Washington, DC, area, one of the newscasts last (Sunday) night
carried film of the event. I didn't see it on any of the networks, but
then I wasn't looking for it.
One wonders -- ah, hell, one knows -- what would have happened if
someone had somehow filmed Bill and Monica in flagrante.
Bob Lieblich
John Davies
<jo...@redwoods.demon.co.uk> writes
[...]
>
>I don't believe that specially manufactured toilet paper was around in
>the 17th century; I think it goes back to the late 19th century at the
>earliest. But people certainly used waste paper for the purpose well
>before then, and Rabelais himself is a good witness that it was so used
>in the 16th century. My old Penguin edition has long since fallen apart
>(no, I didn't use it for that), but I half recall a couplet in it which
>goes something like:
>
>"He whose arse with paper wipes
>Shall on his bum-hole leave some chipes"
>
>(You will doubtless recall that Gargantua eventually concluded that the
>best arse-wipe of all was the neck of a live goose, worked to and fro
>between the legs.)
Sorry about responding to my own post, but this morning I suddenly
recalled that there are some extensive extracts from Rabelais in
Richard Boston's book [1] on his first English translator, Sir Thomas
Urquhart (1611-60). Here's what I find there, including an early use
of "bumfodder":
"Who his foul tail with paper wipes
Shall at his ballocks leave some chips"
[...]
"Afterwards I wiped my tail with a hen, with a cock, with a pullet, with
a calf's skin, with a hare, with a pigeon, with a cormorant, with an
attorney's bag, with a montero, with a coif, with a falconer's lure. But
to conclude, I say and maintain, that of all the torcheculs, arsewisps,
bumfodders, tail napkins, bung-hole cleansers and wipe-breeches, there
is none in the world comparable with the neck of a goose, that is well
downed, if you hold her head betwixt your legs. And believe me therein
upon mine honour, for you will thereby feel in your nockhole a most
wonderful pleasure, both in regard of the softness of the said down, and
of the temperate heat of the goose, which is easily communicated to the
bum-gut, and the rest of the inwards, in so far as to come even into the
regions of the hearts and brains."
[1] The Admirable Urquhart: selected writings edited and introduced by
Richard Boston.
Gordon Fraser, London, 1975. ISBN 0 900406 40 2
--
John Davies (jo...@redwoods.demon.co.uk)
a1a5...@bc.sympatico.ca
<afar...@trump.net.au> wrote:
>John Kilburn wrote:
>
>> Bun Mui wrote in message ...
>> Argentine dancer did when she wrapped her leg in front of Prince Charles
>> A leg over?
>
>In potentia.
>
Charles Strauss
>I came across the word "bumpf" for the first time this week. I managed to
>find a definition and alternate spellings, "bumph" and "bumf," but can any
>a.u.e. denizens tell me more? How long has the word been kicking around? (Am
>I way behind the times if I've just seen it for the first time?) Which
>spelling is preferred? What fields is the word used in? Where did the word
>come from?
>
>
>Lucia
>
I believe Kingsley Amis uses it in "Lucky Jim", so that makes it no later than
mid-1950s UK.
/cms
a1a5...@bc.sympatico.ca
<afar...@trump.net.au> wrote:
> Oh let me wallow a little nuncle; yoof must have its fling.
>
Have you read any Cavafy?
Fortunate all those who believe,
and like the Emperor Manuel end their lives
clothed so modestly according to their faith.
I, of course, was simply joking, no Emperor.
A. Farrell
M.J.Powell
<cha...@cs.uri.edu> writes
'Bumf' is short for 'bum fodder' ie toilet paper, loo roll or whatever.
--
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Is all that I have
And the life that I have
Is yours.
Rod Taylor
Craig Welch wrote in message
<36ecb089...@news.ozemail.com.au>...
>
>Foreign press? Couldn't say. But it was carried in the
Australian
>press.
Also here in South Africa
Rod
Ivor Robert Jones
<mi...@pickmere.demon.co.uk> writes
>>I came across the word "bumpf" for the first time this week. I managed to
>>>find a definition and alternate spellings, "bumph" and "bumf," but can any
>>>a.u.e. denizens tell me more? How long has the word been kicking around? (Am
>>>I way behind the times if I've just seen it for the first time?)
Missed the original please bear with me if have got it wrong or duplicate what
you already have.
During the last war the expression bumf referred to bum fodder (also called army
form nought nought fuckall blank. In mock imitation of the army's tendency to
number all forms, e.g. the charge sheet was AF 252 etc.). The extension of this
was to refer to all unnecessary paper work or red tape, as bumf.
I do not know whether the origin was earlier or not.--
Ivor Robert Jones