Heart Question
ValerieMcC
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>rotablation of occluded cardiac blood vessels
Rotablation (judging from the word construction) would be reaming the plaque or
occlusion, sort of like rota-rooter.
Anyone got a more specific definition?
Val
FALLA
but can form scar tissue which mine did and resulted in stents and the list
goes on and one..not a great choice for diabetics I would say based on my
experience but each would have to take their own personal medical history
into account.
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> What is rotablation of occluded cardiac blood vessels?
>
> Referrals are welcome. Thank you.
> - Antony
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Larry Swindle
>ats...@my-dejanews.com-please.no.mailing.lists.aka.spam (Antony Tseng)
>
>>rotablation of occluded cardiac blood vessels
>
>Rotablation (judging from the word construction) would be reaming the
plaque or
>occlusion, sort of like rota-rooter.
>
>Anyone got a more specific definition?
>
>Val
Invasive Procedures:
Cardiac Catheterization: Permits us to measure pressures, obtain blood
samples, and take x-rays of the heart and coronary arteries, by passing a
catheter from the right groin artery into the heart.
Perctaneous Transluminal Coronary Angioplasty (PTCA): Permits us to enlarge
narrowings in coronary arteries caused by accumulated fatty deposits, to
increase blood flow through the artery.
Laser Angioplasty: Permits us to use intense light energy to vaporize
cholesterol blockage in smaller vessels with long cholesterol blockages.
TEC (Transcutaneous Extraction Catheter): Permits us to use a rotating blade
to cut through blood clots and cholesterol blockage in coronary artery
bypass grafts and larger coronary arteries.
Directional Coronary Atherectomy: Permits us to use a spinning blade to
slice cholesterol blockages into pieces and trap them in a "nose cone."
Rotoblater (Percutaneous Transluminal Coronary Rotational Ablation): Permits
us to use a small diamond-coated "sanding" burr to remove cholesterol and
calcium from hardened vessels in coronary arteries with multiple bends.
Stents: Permit us to repair vessels that have been "torn." Performed by
expanding a stainless steel wire coil or mesh, which is mounted on an
angioplasty balloon, into the coronary artery wall to provide structural
support to a newly-opened artery and to prevent recur rence of blockage.
Artificial Pacemaker/Defibrillator Implantation: Permits us to implant a
back-up to the heart's natural electrical system, to stimulate it, whenever
necessary, if it beats too quickly, too slowly, or irregularly.
Antony Tseng
All information I can find is invaluable. I look forward any more
information/experiences.
- Antony
P.S. Please include the newsgroup sci.med.cardiology when posting any
more replies. This is the only newsgroup I can access right now.
Andrew Trummer
>
> What is rotablation of occluded cardiac blood vessels?
>
> Referrals are welcome. Thank you.
> - Antony
Damned if I know !
alvena ferreira
angioplasty...isn't there some type of experimental procedure where they do
angio but use the roto-rooter bladie thing for cutting out the blockage?
alvena
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Joe Stengel
blocked coronary artery. The Rotablator® device removes tissue (called
plaque) that is blocking an artery and preventing it from supplying
adequate blood to the heart muscle.
The device consists of a long wire that is introduced to the blocked
area via a catheter, in a similar manner to the more traditional balloon
angioplasty. At the tip of this wire is a rounded tool that feels smooth
to the touch but is coated with microscopic diamond crystals. The tip is
driven by an air turbine, which can cause the tip to spin at speeds up
to 3,000 rotations per second.
This spinning tip breaks up the plaque, reducing it to particles that
are typically smaller than red blood cells. These microscopic plaque
particles are filtered out of the blood by the body's natural waste
disposal system.
Try a search for rotablator (a trademark of Boston Scientific) or
interventional cardiology or maybe cardiac catheterization.
alvena ferreira wrote:
>
> Andrew Trummer wrote:
> >
> > Antony Tseng wrote:
> > >
> > > What is rotablation of occluded cardiac blood vessels?
> > >
> > > Referrals are welcome. Thank you.
> > > - Antony
> >
> > Damned if I know !
> Sounds like to me a descriptive way of saying a rotor-rooter process for
> angioplasty...isn't there some type of experimental procedure where they do
> angio but use the roto-rooter bladie thing for cutting out the blockage?
>
> alvena
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SPHINX Technologies
>This is an alternative to more traditional treatments of a narrowed or
>blocked coronary artery. The Rotablator® device removes tissue (called
>plaque) that is blocking an artery and preventing it from supplying
>adequate blood to the heart muscle.
>The device consists of a long wire that is introduced to the blocked
>area via a catheter, in a similar manner to the more traditional balloon
>angioplasty. At the tip of this wire is a rounded tool that feels smooth
>to the touch but is coated with microscopic diamond crystals. The tip is
>driven by an air turbine, which can cause the tip to spin at speeds up
>to 3,000 rotations per second.
There's also at least one system based on a fiber-optic catheter thingie
and laser which cuts away plaque. A friend of mine was leading the
development of this gadget up at Lahey Clinic in Burlington, MA last
I heard. It ought to be operational, or else abandoned, by now.
At the time, he said it was working amazingly well at least technically
(different from financial success, unfortunately).
HOWEVER... given the luxury of enough time to try it, I'd sure prefer to
start taking 6 Tbsp / day granulated lecithin, plus some calcium and
magnesium supplements and perhaps some vitamin E thrown in for good
measure, if it were MY coronary arteries. See Chapter 5 of Adelle
Davis's "Let's Get Well", ISBN 0-451-15463-0, for why I feel that way!
For one thing, unless you really fix the underlying problem (insufficient
blood lecithin level), it's gonna come back.
-John Sangster
Wellesley Hills, MA
Steven B. Harris
Technologies) writes:
>HOWEVER... given the luxury of enough time to try it, I'd sure prefer
to
>start taking 6 Tbsp / day granulated lecithin, plus some calcium and
>magnesium supplements and perhaps some vitamin E thrown in for good
>measure, if it were MY coronary arteries. See Chapter 5 of Adelle
>Davis's "Let's Get Well", ISBN 0-451-15463-0, for why I feel that way!
>For one thing, unless you really fix the underlying problem
(insufficient
>blood lecithin level), it's gonna come back.
>
>-John Sangster
> Wellesley Hills, MA
And what makes you think Adelle Davis knew what she was talking
about? I mean, what nutritional regimen would you take for the
prevention and/or treatment of bone cancer (what killed Adelle)?
Steve Harris, M.D.
Su
SPHINX Technologies wrote in message ...
>In article <35C0DCF...@ibm.net>, Joe Stengel <joest...@ibm.net>
wrote:
>>This is an alternative to more traditional treatments of a narrowed or
>>blocked coronary artery. The Rotablator® device removes tissue (called
>>plaque) that is blocking an artery and preventing it from supplying
>>adequate blood to the heart muscle.
>>The device consists of a long wire that is introduced to the blocked
>>area via a catheter, in a similar manner to the more traditional balloon
>>angioplasty. At the tip of this wire is a rounded tool that feels smooth
>>to the touch but is coated with microscopic diamond crystals. The tip is
>>driven by an air turbine, which can cause the tip to spin at speeds up
>>to 3,000 rotations per second.
>
>There's also at least one system based on a fiber-optic catheter thingie
>and laser which cuts away plaque. A friend of mine was leading the
>development of this gadget up at Lahey Clinic in Burlington, MA last
>I heard. It ought to be operational, or else abandoned, by now.
>At the time, he said it was working amazingly well at least technically
>(different from financial success, unfortunately).
>
>HOWEVER... given the luxury of enough time to try it, I'd sure prefer to
>start taking 6 Tbsp / day granulated lecithin, plus some calcium and
>magnesium supplements and perhaps some vitamin E thrown in for good
>measure, if it were MY coronary arteries. See Chapter 5 of Adelle
>Davis's "Let's Get Well", ISBN 0-451-15463-0, for why I feel that way!
>For one thing, unless you really fix the underlying problem (insufficient
>blood lecithin level), it's gonna come back.
>
>-John Sangster
> Wellesley Hills, MA
>
>
>
>>
Su
in his late 70s by now. I think he celebrates his birthdays by towing 2-ton
ships, and similar things.
Anyone who is interested in proper nutrition should subscribe to Prevention
Magazine. Best in the business.
Steven B. Harris wrote in message <6r0ks2$k...@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>...
>In <ExnwK...@world.std.com> sph...@world.std.com (SPHINX
>Technologies) writes:
>
>>HOWEVER... given the luxury of enough time to try it, I'd sure prefer
>to
>>start taking 6 Tbsp / day granulated lecithin, plus some calcium and
>>magnesium supplements and perhaps some vitamin E thrown in for good
>>measure, if it were MY coronary arteries. See Chapter 5 of Adelle
>>Davis's "Let's Get Well", ISBN 0-451-15463-0, for why I feel that way!
>>For one thing, unless you really fix the underlying problem
>(insufficient
>>blood lecithin level), it's gonna come back.
>>
>>-John Sangster
>> Wellesley Hills, MA
>
>
Melinda S. Meahan
>
> Jack LaLanne is a nutritionist from years and years back. The guy has to be
> in his late 70s by now. I think he celebrates his birthdays by towing 2-ton
> ships, and similar things.
Uh-uh, he has got to be at least 80. He's the Richard Simmons of the
Geritol set.
He used to swim from Fisherman's Wharf to Alcatraz towing some kind of
boat every year on his birthday, but I haven't heard about him in a
while.
My mom remembers him best for the day he came out into his studio on his
show with armsful of white GLOP -- and he said it was 8 pounds of fat,
and when you are 8 pounds overweight, that is how much extra bulk you
are carrying around. It left a lasting image with her.
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Steven B. Harris wrote:
> In <ExnwK...@world.std.com> sph...@world.std.com (SPHINX
> Technologies) writes:
>
> >HOWEVER... given the luxury of enough time to try it, I'd sure prefer
> to
> >start taking 6 Tbsp / day granulated lecithin, plus some calcium and
> >magnesium supplements and perhaps some vitamin E thrown in for good
> >measure, if it were MY coronary arteries. See Chapter 5 of Adelle
> >Davis's "Let's Get Well", ISBN 0-451-15463-0, for why I feel that way!
> >For one thing, unless you really fix the underlying problem
> (insufficient
> >blood lecithin level), it's gonna come back.
> >
> >-John Sangster
> > Wellesley Hills, MA
>
> And what makes you think Adelle Davis knew what she was talking
> about? I mean, what nutritional regimen would you take for the
> prevention and/or treatment of bone cancer (what killed Adelle)?
>
> Steve Harris, M.D.
As I recall, Adelle Davis died of breast cancer which had metastasized to
her bone, not primary bone cancer. In any case, I don't quite see why her
death from metastatic cancer of any kind invalidates her nutritional
recommendations for arteriosclerosis.
Terri
Eric4
>Su wrote:
>>
>> Jack LaLanne is a nutritionist from years and years back. The guy has
to be
>> in his late 70s by now. I think he celebrates his birthdays by towing
2-ton
>> ships, and similar things.
>
>Uh-uh, he has got to be at least 80. He's the Richard Simmons of the
>Geritol set.
>
>He used to swim from Fisherman's Wharf to Alcatraz towing some kind of
>boat every year on his birthday, but I haven't heard about him in a
>while.
I used to watch him on TV back in the 70s when he comes on after the
cartoon shows (of course, I was a tiny little child then who was hooked
on Pop-Eye the Sailor and Bugs Bunny). I desperately followed his
routine in order to withstand the big bully kids around my
neighborhood... then I realized that imitating Bruce Lee was better.
Anyway, I believe he is involved in motivational health circuits
nowadays living in Half Moon Bay of northern California looking healthy
as ever.
-eric
Steven B. Harris
>As I recall, Adelle Davis died of breast cancer which had
metastasized to
>her bone, not primary bone cancer. In any case, I don't quite see why
her
>death from metastatic cancer of any kind invalidates her nutritional
>recommendations for arteriosclerosis.
>
>Terri
>
It's an inductive argument. She thought she knew a lot about
nutritional cancer treatment and prevention, but was wrong. Thus, we
know the woman was capable of thinking she knew a lot about what she
didn't know beans about. That makes everything she wrote suspect.
In addition, if you actually READ her stuff, you find her techniques
of supporting her theries with evidence are flawed all the way through.
She loves stories, and thinks they prove things. She hasn't a clue as
to how to evaluate medical evidence, in quality or quantity. And last
but not least, she lived in an era where much less was known about
nutrition than now. To use her books today like Mary Baker Eddy's
guide to the scriptures is to turn the woman into some kind of
nutritional prophet, and her work into a religion. Ridiculous.
I'm reminded of the old cowboy story of the honest man trying to
sell another man a horse. "I have to tell you two things about this
horse," says the seller.
"Okay, what's the first?"
"He's hard to catch."
"Hmmm. Okay, what's the second?"
"He's no good after you've caught him..."
Adelle Davis was a pioneer in the idea that nutrition is important
in disease. However, she's out of date, and dead. And she wasn't THAT
good when she was alive.
Steve Harris, M.D.
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Lisa Laird
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In article <TBWA1.466$TP3.7...@newse1.midsouth.rr.com>, "Su"
Tom Matthews
> Adelle Davis was a pioneer in the idea that nutrition is important
> in disease. However, she's out of date, and dead. And she wasn't THAT
> good when she was alive.
Steve, I think you come down too hard on Adelle Davis, just as you come
down too hard on Pearson and Shaw for their work in the early 80's.
After my mother's books concerning Doctor Hay's diet from the 30's,
Adelle Davis' books were what started me into thinking of the nutrition
in what I ate and trying to do something about it.
It is true that much less was known about nutrition then, that Adelle
was sometimes wrong, and that her books should not be used today.
However, they were also mostly right, offered good, inspirational advice
to a lot of people, and I believe they put a great many people on the
track to healthy eating and supplementation.
Neither you nor anyone else can take away from her the overall value of
her work in making people conscious of nutrition as important for their
health, and you should not be trying to do so.
--Tom
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> Su wrote:
> >
> > Jack LaLanne is a nutritionist from years and years back. The guy has to be
> My mom remembers him best for the day he came out into his studio on his
> show with armsful of white GLOP -- and he said it was 8 pounds of fat,
> and when you are 8 pounds overweight, that is how much extra bulk you
> are carrying around. It left a lasting image with her.
Boy, I remember that too, except I thought it was 10 lb of fat. I *still*
remember that especially at the gym.
David Olson
in Morro Bay, California. He started his TV show in San Francisco in 1951
where he met his wife who co-hosted the show. The show moved to Hollywood
and went national in 1953 and was broadcast for more then 30 years. Bryant
Gumbel just did a show on Jack televised from Jack's home. He's a great
example of healthful living.
Dave
Melinda S. Meahan wrote in message <35D43C...@value.net>...
>Su wrote:
>>
>> Jack LaLanne is a nutritionist from years and years back. The guy has to
be
>> in his late 70s by now. I think he celebrates his birthdays by towing
2-ton
>> ships, and similar things.
>
>Uh-uh, he has got to be at least 80. He's the Richard Simmons of the
>Geritol set.
>
>He used to swim from Fisherman's Wharf to Alcatraz towing some kind of
>boat every year on his birthday, but I haven't heard about him in a
>while.
>
Steven B. Harris
They'd have been better off reading Roger Williams, who was writing
far more intelligently and correctly at the same time. What DO you say
about people who do good things to public opinion, but are wrong in
their facts? Adelle is also largely responsible for the FDA's
crackdown on vitamins, and for doctors' generally low opinion of
nutritional therapy, since she was so often wrong in specifics. YOU
see the good, and I see the harm. I think the harm probably outweighs
the good. The prejudice doctors have about vitamin cures does NOT come
out of some money conspiracy or some evil tendency. You don't see
anything like it with acupuncture, for example. What really gets
doctors' backs up, is a really successful, and wrong, popularizer. I'd
almost rather Adelle Davis, not to mention Pearson and Shaw, had gone
into other fields. The connection between medicine and nutrition would
be in better shape now if they had. Overstating claims is poison.
Steve Harris, M.D.
Gordon Held
Eric4 wrote:>
> >> Jack LaLanne is a nutritionist from years and years back. The guy has
> to be
> >> in his late 70s by now.
He's near his middle 80's by now. I believe he's involved in a new chain of healthful
restaurants just starting.
> Anyway, I believe he is involved in motivational health circuits
> nowadays living in Half Moon Bay of northern California looking healthy
> as ever.
Unless he moved in the last few months, he lives just outside Morro Bay, CA, and looks
as great as ever. Has a full gym at his home.
Gordon Held
Tom Matthews
> They'd have been better off reading Roger Williams, who was writing
> far more intelligently and correctly at the same time.
But the reality is that his writings were not known or read and had very
little effect on any large number of people. Adelle did.
> What DO you say
> about people who do good things to public opinion, but are wrong in
> their facts?
I say look to the ratio of good to bad that was done and resolve to be
careful about all of what you read in the future.
> Adelle is also largely responsible for the FDA's
> crackdown on vitamins,
I would find that one extremely hard to believe whatever evidence you
muster. The FDA is like every government regulatory agency immoral in
principle and self-agrandizing by fact of its very nature.
> and for doctors' generally low opinion of nutritional therapy,
> since she was so often wrong in specifics.
I agree that you should know better about that than I, but I frankly
can't believe that it would have made much difference.
> YOU
> see the good, and I see the harm. I think the harm probably outweighs
> the good.
I know you do, but at least you said "probably", that's at good sign :)
> The prejudice doctors have about vitamin cures does NOT come
> out of some money conspiracy or some evil tendency.
I agree but it surely doesn't all or even largely come from Adelle Davis
either. She wasn't *that* influential. And if they *did* let it affect
them, then they are being worse than her with their "prejudice".
> You don't see anything like it with acupuncture, for example.
That's incorrect, IMO. It was there for decades with acupuncture and
still is largely. I think you "run" with a more enlightend set of
doctors than most.
> What really gets
> doctors' backs up, is a really successful, and wrong, popularizer.
As stated above, if they let this happen then they are being just as
irrationally prejudiced or ever moreso depending on the ratio of harm to
good that their "back up" does to people versus that of the incorrect
popularizer.
Besides incorrect popularizers have and will always be with us. It's
almost the nature of the beast. We must all learn to accept and benefit
from the good they do and try hard to inform people of their mistakes so
that any harm is prevented.
> I'd
> almost rather Adelle Davis, not to mention Pearson and Shaw, had gone
> into other fields. The connection between medicine and nutrition would
> be in better shape now if they had.
Possibly, but the number of people having lived healthier lives, the
availability of relatively inexpensive and widely available supplements,
and the number of people paying attention to their diets and nutritional
health would be much smaller.
> Overstating claims is poison.
In principle, I agree with you and I try hard to practice total honesty
in claims. However, with this over-hyped world of exaggerating
salespersons, if you simply state the truth without embellishment, you
are not listened to, and have little positive effect on a jaded public.
SPHINX Technologies
>>Technologies) writes:
>> And what makes you think Adelle Davis knew what she was talking
>>about? I mean, what nutritional regimen would you take for the
>>prevention and/or treatment of bone cancer (what killed Adelle)?
>> Steve Harris, M.D.
I'd be more careful in my choice of parents. That wasn't her real name,
by the way.
As for knowing what she was talking about, I'd say the M.S. in biochemistry
and the 35 years of clinical experience were excellent credentials, but
more than that, I'm confident enough of my ability to distinguish bullshit
from genuine knowledge that I don't take her misfortune to discredit all
the valuable knowledge she imparted in her books. And I've seen many of
the things she recommended work exactly as she stated, both for myself
and for numerous others.
Also, I've had confirmation from a person with a PhD in Nutrition Science,
who was a faculty member of a well-known state university, and was used
by the GAO to audit nutrition research. This person said "Adelle Davis
was ahead of her time. Everything she says is pretty much right on target,
though of course there has been some progress in research beyond what was
available to her in the 1960s when she wrote those books." In other words,
the nutrition science community is well aware of the nutritional therapy
methods Ms. Davis recommended, and indeed a lot of it is used routinely
in veterinary medicine. It's just us HUMANS who have to pay the higher
cost of pharmaceuticals, in terms of money and side-effects! :^)
Does THAT answer your question, Steve?
But I've also noted things she missed, which I've learned from other sources.
So, nobody's perfect, nobody's God. But we as a nation could probably cut
both disease AND medical costs at least in HALF if we all made use of
the knowledge in Ms. Davis's books.
Now, would YOU like that, or would you rather keep the size and cost of the
medical industry at its present level? :^)
-John S.
Steven B. Harris
Technologies) writes:
>>> And what makes you think Adelle Davis knew what she was talking
>>>about? I mean, what nutritional regimen would you take for the
>>>prevention and/or treatment of bone cancer (what killed Adelle)?
>>> Steve Harris, M.D.
>
>I'd be more careful in my choice of parents. That wasn't her real
name,
>by the way.
>
It was certainly the name by which John Steinbeck, Ed Ricketts, and
Joseph Campbell knew her by in Monterey circa 1930. When did she
change it?
>As for knowing what she was talking about, I'd say the M.S. in
biochemistry
>and the 35 years of clinical experience were excellent credentials,
but
>more than that, I'm confident enough of my ability to distinguish
bullshit
>from genuine knowledge that I don't take her misfortune to discredit
all
>the valuable knowledge she imparted in her books.
What gives you this confidence in your ability to detect bullshit?
>Also, I've had confirmation from a person with a PhD in Nutrition
Science,
>who was a faculty member of a well-known state university, and was
used
>by the GAO to audit nutrition research. This person said "Adelle
Davis
>was ahead of her time. Everything she says is pretty much right on
target,
>though of course there has been some progress in research beyond what
was
>available to her in the 1960s when she wrote those books." In other
words,
>the nutrition science community is well aware of the nutritional
therapy
>methods Ms. Davis recommended, and indeed a lot of it is used
routinely
>in veterinary medicine. It's just us HUMANS who have to pay the
higher
>cost of pharmaceuticals, in terms of money and side-effects! :^)
>
>Does THAT answer your question, Steve?
No, it just says you have a friend who doesn't agree with most of
his colleages in the field. So you say. So what?
>Now, would YOU like that, or would you rather keep the size and cost
of the medical industry at its present level? :^)
>
>-John S.
You can pull any number from the air you like. Until there's
solid proof from clinical studies, Ms Davis remains a repository of
nutritional folklore. An example is her emphasis on lecithin, which
started this conversation. Long ago it has been found that the
component in lecithin which lowers cholesterol is the polyunsaturated
fats in it, and it doesnt' lower cholesterol any better than an equal
weight of these fats. And the LA VAH study showed that lowering
cholesterol by adding polyunsaturated fats to one's diet is not the way
to go. Heart disease goes down, colon cancer rate goes up. I suspect
it would with lecithin also. And the stuff tastes awful to boot.
Steve Harris, M.D.
nos...@mindspring.com
>Now, would YOU like that, or would you rather keep the size and cost of the
>medical industry at its present level? :^)
See ... and y'all thought I was kidding when I said there was a
conspiratorial effort on the part of the feds and the meds to keep all
this stuff out of the hands of the populace ...
Peggy
Reply to digitalcmt (at) you-know-where (dot) com. It's a puzzle, I know, but all the clues are in this post.
joe record
Steven B. Harris wrote:
> Adelle Davis was a pioneer in the idea that nutrition is important
> in disease. However, she's out of date, and dead. And she wasn't THAT
> good when she was alive.
>
> Steve Harris, M.D.
nice one steve!.......but don't lose your foot when you put your boot
in....but i love
the grins.
probably you have been asked before,but would you mind sketching out what
you
do to maximise your own health/wellness etc. // do you go for some sort of
CRAN
technique?what vits. do you use yourself? are you some sort of exercise
freak?
how old are you,&weight,height,% body fat, ...got any interesting blood
stats./or even
disorders? ......jus' like to see the skull behind the thick skin.
...very much enjoy yr. posts/and often some info i have not known before.
jwwright
>
> Jack LaLanne is 84, is still in great shape, and lives with his wife Elaine
> in Morro Bay, California. He started his TV show in San Francisco in 1951
> where he met his wife who co-hosted the show. The show moved to Hollywood
> and went national in 1953 and was broadcast for more then 30 years. Bryant
> Gumbel just did a show on Jack televised from Jack's home. He's a great
> example of healthful living.
>
> Dave
>
Joy
I am 28 years old, male and happily married with a 5 month old daughter.
I have been diagnosed with ischemic heart disease since January 1998 after my first major angina attack.
I would be grateful to any of you if you could inform me if there is any cure for this ailment.
At present, I take Aspirin 325 mg daily and I also carry sublingual tablets which I would take in case of acute
chest pain.
Thanking you in anticipation.
Yours friendly,
Joy Daniel.
Tom Matthews
>
> Dear friends,
>
> I am 28 years old, male and happily married with a 5 month old daughter.
>
> I have been diagnosed with ischemic heart disease since January 1998 after my first major angina attack.
>
> I would be grateful to any of you if you could inform me if there is any cure for this ailment.
>
> At present, I take Aspirin 325 mg daily and I also carry sublingual tablets which I would take in case of acute
> chest pain.
Check out the Life Extension Foundation's protocols for
Athersclerosis at: http://lef.org/protocols/prtcl-015.shtml
Cholesterol Reduction at: http://lef.org/protocols/prtcl-032.shtml
Cardivascular Disease and Fibrinogen at:
http://lef.org/protocols/prtcl-049.shtml
and Thrombosis Prevention at: http://lef.org/protocols/prtcl-104a.shtml
All suggestions in LEF protocols are supported by scientific,
peer-reveiwed journal references.
gn...@agora.rdrop.com
a98...@cs.ait.ac.th wrote:
> I have been diagnosed with ischemic heart disease since January 1998 after my first major angina attack.
>
> I would be grateful to any of you if you could inform me if there is any cure for this ailment.
It may be helpful to know that one meal high in fat can constrict the
vasculature for hours in a healthy individual, and up to a few days in
individuals with preexisting atherosclerosis.
Angina is typically associated with some degree of occlusion of coronary
arteries. Further constricting arteries by consuming high-fat meals could
exacerbate symptoms. Therefore, restriction of fat intake is a sensible
practice.
You might pay attention to the relationship between your angina attacks and
the fat content of the last meal you ate previous to the attack.
Greg Nigh
National College of Naturopathic Medicine
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Beachhouse
did it show?
B) Do you smoke? Have high cholesterol? Diabetic? On folate
supplementation?
Have a strong family history of heart disease? Have high blood pressure?
Are you overweight?
C) Is there some reason why you're not on a beta blocker?
If your doctor didn't take this kind of history.. you need to see another
physician.
immediately.
Joy <a98...@cs.ait.ac.th> wrote in article
<3624BB7C...@cs.ait.ac.th>...
> Dear friends,
>
> I am 28 years old, male and happily married with a 5 month old daughter.
>
> I have been diagnosed with ischemic heart disease since January 1998
after my first major angina attack.
>
> I would be grateful to any of you if you could inform me if there is any
cure for this ailment.
>
> At present, I take Aspirin 325 mg daily and I also carry sublingual
tablets which I would take in case of acute
> chest pain.
>
Bambi Geist
semi-to-fully intelligent feedback was coming from.
gn...@agora.rdrop.com wrote in message <703jbe$130$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <3624BB7C...@cs.ait.ac.th>,
> a98...@cs.ait.ac.th wrote:
>
>> I have been diagnosed with ischemic heart disease since January 1998
after my first major angina attack.
>>
>> I would be grateful to any of you if you could inform me if there is any
cure for this ailment.
>
Craig Hamilton
I'm interested in further investigating this link between angina and high
fat intake.
Could you point me to some more info or some studies that have looked into
it?
Thanks,
Craig Hamilton
c...@medeng.wfubmc.edu
Winston-Salem, NC,USA
Alvena Ferreira
>
> Greg:
>
> I'm interested in further investigating this link between angina and high
> fat intake.
> Could you point me to some more info or some studies that have looked into
> it?
>
and if he eats a batch of french fries (or something similarly sinful) he
feels lousy, low energy, legs heavy, the whole nine yards. As long as he eats
the straight and narrow, he's fine. I have to believe there is a big
relationship on the diet thingie for sure. It also makes his blood pressure
higher after a high fat meal, compared to no real change after a low-fat meal.
--
Alvena Ferreira
<theh...@apex.net>
MusProd
>Craig Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Greg:
>>
>> I'm interested in further investigating this link between angina and high
>> fat intake.
>> Could you point me to some more info or some studies that have looked into
>> it?
Last November, just before Thanksgiving, ABC News (Peter Jennings)
aired a report on this, and the recommendation to take 1000mg of
Vitamin C (and I think some E) to temporarily help counteract the
effects of a high fat meal. The report was quite graphic in saying a
high fat meal can have the effect of slamming the arteries shut. I
know they interviewed at least one researcher during the peice.
I can't vouch for the science behind the claim, but I'm sure ABC could
provide you with some leads.
Please remove the *NoSpam* to reply to my e-mail address
Hop Hopingardner
I too, can't vouch for the science behind the claim, but as I recall,they stated
that taking C and E before the meal, reduced the artery
narrowing from the fat to no worse than a person who had not
partaken. Convinced me. We take an extra C and E [natural E,
not synthetic] before eating significant fat fried foods. I know, we
shouldn't be eating them at all. But we do keep our overall average
of fat to less than 15% of our daily caloric intake.
KOKO [ Keep on keeping on ] Hop
Kerry
gn...@agora.rdrop.com
I'll have at least one more to come, but here are a few interesting studies to
look at. I believe that recent evidence has shown a vasoconstrictive role of
high serum FFAs, though these studies are only demonstrating that high FFAs
inhibit vasodilation via endothelin-1.
Either way, the first abstract below clearly states that high fat increased
the occurrance of coronary ischemia as a result of the effect of serum fats
on the vasculature. The role of a low-fat diet for someone with angina is, I
hope, apparent. Such a diet would be especially important for an angina
patient on a day when it is known that some degree of increased activity will
be undertaken.
"Studies on experimental coronary insufficiency. Effect of L-carnitine on
myocardial ischemia produced by sympathetic-nerve stimulation with high plasma
fatty acids."
Iimura O; Shoji T; Yoshida S; Sato R; Nohara K; Kudoh Y; Ishiyama N; Motoe M
Adv Myocardiol, 6():437-49 1985.
Abstract Our previous studies revealed that sympathetic-nerve stimulation
(SNSt) plays an important role in the precipitation and the augmentation of
myocardial ischemia in dogs with coronary constriction. To clarify the
underlying mechanism of the detrimental effect of free fatty acids (FFA) at a
high plasma concentration and the beneficial effect of L-carnitine on
myocardial ischemia, ischemic changes following SNSt were compared among
three groups of dogs with mild or moderate coronary constriction: a saline
control group, an intralipid [(IL) 0.1 ml/kg per min + heparin 5 mg/kg]
group, and an IL + L-carnitine (200 mg/kg) group. High plasma concentration
of FFA aggravated the ischemic changes induced by SNSt in dogs with coronary
constriction, in which no signs of increase in myocardial oxygen consumption
were seen. L-Carnitine clearly alleviated the mechanical dysfunction,
acceleration of anaerobic metabolism, depletion of myocardial contents of
high-energy phosphates, myocardial accumulation of lactate, and ECG ischemic
changes that were augmented by high plasma FFA in the coronary-constricted
dogs with SNSt. From these findings, it was suggested that an increased
plasma FFA might aggravate myocardial ischemia, at least, produced by SNSt in
dogs with mild or moderate coronary constriction and that L-carnitine might
improve the ischemia augmented by FFA, presumably by reducing myocardial
accumulation of FFA intermediates.
----------
"Transient triglyceridemia decreases vascular reactivity in young, healthy men
without risk factors for coronary heart disease."
Lundman P; Eriksson M; Schenck-Gustafsson K; Karpe F; Tornvall P
Circulation, 96(10):3266-8 1997 Nov 18
BACKGROUND: Hypertriglyceridemia is now accepted as a risk factor for coronary
heart disease, although the mechanism behind the increased risk is not well
understood. The present study was undertaken to investigate the effects of
triglyceridemia on endothelial function, because impaired endothelial function
is considered a marker of atherogenesis. METHODS AND RESULTS: Flow- and
nitroglycerin-induced dilatation of the brachial artery was investigated
noninvasively by high-resolution ultrasound technique in seven young, healthy
men without risk factors for coronary heart disease. Transient triglyceridemia
was induced by infusion of a triglyceride emulsion, Intralipid, which raised
free fatty acid concentrations twofold and triglyceride levels fourfold. Flow-
induced vasodilatation decreased from 7.1+/-3.0% to 1.6+/-2.6% (P<.0002),
whereas nitroglycerin-induced vasodilatation decreased from 20.5+/-5.8% to
11.5+/-3.2% (P<.002) before and after 1 hour of infusion of Intralipid,
respectively. CONCLUSIONS: Transient triglyceridemia decreases vascular
reactivity, presumably by both endothelium-dependent and endothelium-
independent mechanisms.
Greg Nigh
hhw...@cts.com
Dear Joy:
You're a little young to have ischemic heart disease. While it can occur, it
is far more likely that your chest pain is due to another reason. Indeed,
there are over 50 different reasons why chest pain may occur, and many of
those causes can easily be confused with angina. On the other hand, if you
do in fact have angina, you are certainly on a grossly inadequate program.
To learn more, may I suggest you read my Web site at
http://www.heartprotect.com
Howard H. Wayne, M.D., F.A.C.C., F.A.C.P.
Cardiologist
In article <01bdf7d5$6da0ee80$2ecee380@eric99>,
"Beachhouse" <sendn...@please.com> wrote:
> A) Have you had coronary angiography (i.e. a cardiac cath) performed? what
> did it show?
> B) Do you smoke? Have high cholesterol? Diabetic? On folate
> supplementation?
> Have a strong family history of heart disease? Have high blood pressure?
> Are you overweight?
> C) Is there some reason why you're not on a beta blocker?
>
> If your doctor didn't take this kind of history.. you need to see another
> physician.
> immediately.
>
> Joy <a98...@cs.ait.ac.th> wrote in article
> <3624BB7C...@cs.ait.ac.th>...
> > Dear friends,
> >
> > I am 28 years old, male and happily married with a 5 month old daughter.
> >
> > I have been diagnosed with ischemic heart disease since January 1998
> after my first major angina attack.
> >
> > I would be grateful to any of you if you could inform me if there is any
> cure for this ailment.
> >
> > At present, I take Aspirin 325 mg daily and I also carry sublingual
> tablets which I would take in case of acute
> > chest pain.
> >
> > Thanking you in anticipation.
> >
> > Yours friendly,
> >
> > Joy Daniel.
> >
> >
>
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Gallard
process or block the uptake of fat by the blood.
Specifically I remember reading somewhere of a test of 40 individuals who
consumed a high fat take out meal.
Blood fats were measured before and 2 hours after the meal. Only 20 of the
people ate garlic along with the meal.
The half that ate garlic showed no levels of increase in blood fats while
the other half did show an increase in blood fat levels. So does this sound
familiar to anyone? Or is this something suppliment dealers are using to
sell garlic pills? I've also read where garlic taken regularly will help
make the blood slippery so it will tend not to form clots.
>It may be helpful to know that one meal high in fat can constrict the
>vasculature for hours in a healthy individual, and up to a few days in
>individuals with preexisting atherosclerosis.
>
>Greg Nigh
>National College of Naturopathic Medicine
>
Sue in GA
instructors? Or read your textbooks. Isn't that the type medicine you're
supposed to be learning there?
--
Sue
Remove one g from return address
Gallard wrote in message <36290...@news.prostar.com>...
nos...@mindspring.com
>I have read that garlic taken along with a fatty meal will retard the
>process or block the uptake of fat by the blood.
>Specifically I remember reading somewhere of a test of 40 individuals who
>consumed a high fat take out meal.
>Blood fats were measured before and 2 hours after the meal. Only 20 of the
>people ate garlic along with the meal.
>The half that ate garlic showed no levels of increase in blood fats while
>the other half did show an increase in blood fat levels. So does this sound
>familiar to anyone? Or is this something suppliment dealers are using to
>sell garlic pills? I've also read where garlic taken regularly will help
>make the blood slippery so it will tend not to form clots.
Wouldn't it make more sense to simply eat meals that aren't high in
fat?
Peggy
digitalcmt (at) mindspring (dot) com
Jon Naude
Certainly more sociable :-)
Jon
Trav...@spiritual.universal.journey
overweight, change that!!! If it's just due to heredity, you need to see a
cardiologist and make sure you are doing everything you can with medical
therapy to control you lipid levels or any other factors predisposing you to
attacks
Joy wrote in message <3624BB7C...@cs.ait.ac.th>...
gefrod
<theh...@apex.net> wrote:
>Craig Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Greg:
>>
>> I'm interested in further investigating this link between angina and high
>> fat intake.
>> Could you point me to some more info or some studies that have looked into
>> it?
>>
>I don't know of any studies, however my husband has vascular/cardiac disease,
>and if he eats a batch of french fries (or something similarly sinful) he
>feels lousy, low energy, legs heavy, the whole nine yards. As long as he eats
>the straight and narrow, he's fine. I have to believe there is a big
>relationship on the diet thingie for sure. It also makes his blood pressure
>higher after a high fat meal, compared to no real change after a low-fat meal.
>--
>Alvena Ferreira
><theh...@apex.net>
I had a paperback book by Dr. Whitaker on his program of preventing
and reversing coronary artery disease. I just tried to find it but
couldn't. In it, he had a chapter on fat intake. I remember he
showed a microscopic photograph of blood corpusals before and after
eating a high fat meal. After eating a high fat meal the blood cells
were much thicker and seemed to be more compacted, as if sticking to
each other. He made the point that after fat intake, the blood tends
to thicken thus making it's flow much slower and restricted. He
showed this as proof that fat has an immediate effect on blood and
blood flow. Since I can't find the book right now, I can't give the
exact title or Dr. Whitakers full name. Perhaps somebody in the group
can fill in the blanks. I know he ran a cardiac program in California
which centered on changing diet and lifestyle. This was before Dr.
Ornish's book came out.
gefrod
====================================================
Non-medical opinion based on experience as a healthcare
consumer and personal interest in Cardiology.
Edward W Michalowski
You're referring to Dr. Julian Whitaker @ Whitaker Wellness Institute
Medical Clinic, Inc., 4321 Birch St., Suite #100, Newport Beach, CA,
92660, 800-826-1550 for Customer
Service.
Joy Daniel
I am a 29 year old male and have been diagnised with Ischemic Heart Disease since a year. I have also experienced
a heart attack ten months ago.
I would appreciate other ischemic heart patients to share their experience abd advice with me. Sometimes, I do go
through periods of depression when I think about my health.
Awaiting replies from you.
Joy.
luishs
Vitamin C -------> 3 - 6 gr daily
L-Lysine ---------> 3 - 6 gr daily.
I'ts my own experience after 10 years.
o...@gci-net.com
Could you be a little more specific about your experience? Initial
condition, other treatments if any, current condition, etc.
Marc Andelman
Regards,
Marc Andelman
Joy Daniel wrote in message <363C3E30...@cs.ait.ac.th>...
luishs
1982------> Atherosclerosis, Buerguer disease and/or Raynaud.
(in the General Hospital of Valencia made me a magnetic
resonance)
OTHER TREATMENTS:
Sintrom, Biniwas, Lofton, several drugs for down cholesterol, Minipres,
Adalat, Dilcor, Aldomet, Carduran, Alopresin, Aldoleo, Salidur, Diatolil,
Duxor, Sermion,
Tanakene, Daflon, Venoruton....
Only some result (for 3 month only) with Minipres and Duxor.
I have test another products that aren't drugs, like lecitin, vitamin E,
vitamin B, vitamin A, Ginkgo.....
Only some result with lecitin (but a lot of problems because cause allergic
reactions...)
THE BEST IN MY LIFE:
1994-----> i began to take vitamin C (1gr) and soon i was better.
AND THE BEST OF THE BEST:
40 days ago i began to take L-Lysine. Each day i am better. I think i am
curing my atherosclerosis.
Now i am taking 500mg of Vitamin C and 2gr of L-Lysine.
And i go to test L-Prolyne, i have read that is better even than L-Lysine.
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ma...@my-dejanews.com
"Marc Andelman" <drgo...@ultranet.com> wrote:
> Hang in there until they come up with a cure!
>
> Regards,
> Marc Andelman
>
> Joy Daniel wrote in message <363C3E30...@cs.ait.ac.th>...
> >Hello friends,
> >
> >I am a 29 year old male and have
> >I would appreciate other ischemic heart patients to share their experience
> abd advice with me. Sometimes, I do go
> >through periods of depression when I think about my health.
Dear Joy: I'm not sure if my heart attacks would be ischemic or not: I
had three successive attacks from blood clots resulting in destruction of
approx. 40-45% of my heart muscle. I was discharged with various
medications of course but after those ran out I started with cayenne (I
use the tincture now when I need it), coenzymeQ10, ginkgo biloba, and
aspirin (very low dose). I seldom have any problems--have to be a little
careful not to over exert...There is life after heart attack! Good luck!
mek
> >
> >Joy.
> >
>
>
--
mlk
Mitchell Simons
flow to a portion of tissue is effectively interupted in some manner, such
as a blood clot or plaquing within an artery. All heart attacks can be
attributed to some form of ischemia and of course, the more severe the
ischemia, the greater the potential for a heart attack. The pain
experienced as a result of exertional exercise is known as angina and may
also occur while at rest as well.
If anyone has any questions regarding cardiac intervention, please don't
hesitate to ask. I'll do my best to answer any questions.
M. Simons, RT(R)
Cardiac Cath Lab
The Methodist Hospital, Houston, TX.
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