"We Form like Voltron"
Infinite
Fee wrote:
>
> Whats does Method Man mean when he says
> "We form like Voltron and he just happened to come out
> on top" when referring to the Genius being the "leader"
> of WTC. I've heard many other mc's referring to "Voltron".
>
Voltron was this ill Japanese anime out in like the mid 80s... Basically, these five
robotic tiger type cats would all fight seperately, but join together and form this one
bugged SUPER ROBOT that would fight bigger enemies as a single unit...
Chill,
Infinite
Infinite
AKIEM ALLAH *)7 wrote:
>
> George Eapen wrote:
> >
> > "Fee" (af...@interchange.ubc.ca) writes:
> > > Whats does Method Man mean when he says
> > > "We form like Voltron and he just happened to come out
> > > on top" when referring to the Genius being the "leader"
> > > of WTC. I've heard many other mc's referring to "Voltron".
> > >
> >
> >
> > it used to always be on when I was a kid.
> >
> > there were 5 of them, and their ship would turn into the phoenix. They had
> > special powers when they would be a pyramid type thing, with two on the
> > bottom, two on their shoulders, and the little guy on top.
> >
> > the villian, when finally unmasked, turned out to be a woman.
> >
> > this is all I can remember. I had no idea that it played in NYC tho.
> >
> > Greg (ah680)
>
> I think the first was Starblazers back in like '78. it was about a
> regular ocean battle ship that got turned into a space ship, and the
> whole ship could turn into one big lazer blaster and blow whole planets.
> it was dope, I missed many school busses
> --
Naw, kid... I'm tellin' you... That Voltron cartoon was about these five different
colored tigers that would form one ill super robot... He had this crazy sword and could
throw this thing off his chest at this enemy... I used to watch it EVERY day...
Chill,
Infinite
Fee
Whats does Method Man mean when he says
"We form like Voltron and he just happened to come out
on top" when referring to the Genius being the "leader"
of WTC. I've heard many other mc's referring to "Voltron".
some one let me know...
Peace,
Tipper Gore
--------------------
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You better off playin Russian Roulette with a full clip"
- Can-I-Bus
George Eapen
"Fee" (af...@interchange.ubc.ca) writes:
> Whats does Method Man mean when he says
> "We form like Voltron and he just happened to come out
> on top" when referring to the Genius being the "leader"
> of WTC. I've heard many other mc's referring to "Voltron".
>
One of the first anime cartoons in north america, G Force.
AKIEM ALLAH *)7
I think the first was Starblazers back in like '78. it was about a
regular ocean battle ship that got turned into a space ship, and the
whole ship could turn into one big lazer blaster and blow whole planets.
it was dope, I missed many school busses
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Infinite wrote:
>
> AKIEM ALLAH *)7 wrote:
> >
> > George Eapen wrote:
> > >
> > > "Fee" (af...@interchange.ubc.ca) writes:
> > > > Whats does Method Man mean when he says
> > > > "We form like Voltron and he just happened to come out
> > > > on top" when referring to the Genius being the "leader"
> > > > of WTC. I've heard many other mc's referring to "Voltron".
> > > >
> > >
> > > One of the first anime cartoons in north america, G Force.
> > >
> > > it used to always be on when I was a kid.
> > >
> > > there were 5 of them, and their ship would turn into the phoenix. They had
> > > special powers when they would be a pyramid type thing, with two on the
> > > bottom, two on their shoulders, and the little guy on top.
> > >
> > > the villian, when finally unmasked, turned out to be a woman.
> > >
> > > this is all I can remember. I had no idea that it played in NYC tho.
> > >
> > > Greg (ah680)
> >
> > I think the first was Starblazers back in like '78. it was about a
> > regular ocean battle ship that got turned into a space ship, and the
> > whole ship could turn into one big lazer blaster and blow whole planets.
> > it was dope, I missed many school busses
> > --
>
> colored tigers that would form one ill super robot... He had this crazy sword and could
> throw this thing off his chest at this enemy... I used to watch it EVERY day...
>
> Chill,
>
yah, I remember that too, I was talking about an earlier anime...
> Infinite
Infinite
>> Naw, kid... I'm tellin' you... That Voltron cartoon was about these five different
>> colored tigers that would form one ill super robot... He had this crazy sword and
>> could throw this thing off his chest at this enemy... I used to watch it EVERY day...
>>
>> Chill,
> yah, I remember that too, I was talking about an earlier anime...
>
Oh, word is bond... My fault...
54 Solja
Steve S. Jackson
AKIEM ALLAH *)7 (aki...@mail.atl.bellsouth.net) wrote:
: Infinite wrote:
: >
: > AKIEM ALLAH *)7 wrote:
: > > I think the first was Starblazers back in like '78. it was about a
: > > regular ocean battle ship that got turned into a space ship, and the
: > > whole ship could turn into one big lazer blaster and blow whole planets.
: > > it was dope, I missed many school busses
: > > --
: > Naw, kid... I'm tellin' you... That Voltron cartoon was about these five different
Voltron was bangin', but you couldn't get with Starblazers. I'd still
kill to have the wave motion cannon. Any laser that could take out a
whole planet or star is definitely a nice piece of weaponry to have.:)
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<<Whats does Method Man mean when he says
"We form like Voltron and he just happened to come out
on top" when referring to the Genius being the "leader"
of WTC. I've heard many other mc's referring to "Voltron".>>
I hope you're not asking about what Voltron is. It's like only one of
the best action cartoons ever produced (besides maybe the Transformers).
Basically there were 2 versions where you had members of a team ride in
vehicles (one was mechanical lions and the other version had regular
vehicles). When they couldn't defeat the enemy individually, they joined
to become Voltron, which was a composite robot composed of all the
individual vehicles. As a kid I preferred the lions. So in effect they
mean they become this big unstoppable force when their team joins
together....
Peace
Mr. Hyde
Kenneth Hyde
<<Naw, kid... I'm tellin' you... That Voltron cartoon was about these
five differe
nt
sword an
d could
throw this thing off his chest at this enemy... I used to watch it EVERY
day...
Chill,
Infinite>>
You're right. But there was a second one w/ like 20 or so different
vehicles that also joined into another Voltron...
Mr. Hyde
Greg Marcus
Infinite (jd...@erols.com) writes:
>>> Naw, kid... I'm tellin' you... That Voltron cartoon was about these five different
>>> colored tigers that would form one ill super robot... He had this crazy sword and
>>> could throw this thing off his chest at this enemy... I used to watch it EVERY day...
>>>
>>> Chill,
>
>> yah, I remember that too, I was talking about an earlier anime...
>>
>
> Oh, word is bond... My fault...
I swear I know this show as G-Force. Each had their own power and vehicle,
altho I do not remember them being animals or anything..
There was a fat guy, a really small guy, a woman, a hero type guy, and
someone else. One was the head of the big thing, one an arm, one a leg, etc..
And I could swear when they formed they said something about Voltron...
and they said G-Force a whole lot.
--
"Crazy, lurking in the shadows, I'm shady, shysty, but-cha wait up, don't
take me lightly.. Blasted, dirty to the grain I be stained with the madness"
"Brotherhood of the insane, we forgetting from where the Book came.."
"Thisain'tsomethingnew,thatgonnacomeouttanowhere,thisissomethingoldanddirty"
Andrew J. Ryan
I agree with Infinite. But Voltron was like a take off of G-Force.
G-Force was made in the late 70s and Voltron came out in the mid 80s.
Its sorta like how Martin was a take on the Jefferson's. George
(Martin) main character w/ all the jokes, Louise (Gina) agreeable
spouse, annoying neighbor the British guy (Shanaynay). It's like they
updated the formula for the times. But Voltron is definitely with the 5
lions (Black (the head), green, yellow, orange, and blue). ANd when
they came togetehr to form Voltron, the Black tiger would always say:
And I'll form the head.
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Spindle
Word,
G-force and Voltron are two different carts. I used to watch G-Force
way back in the day. That was the Joint. Voltron was the bomb.
Anyone remember Tranzor Z?
-Niq
kari orr.
>> > > One of the first anime cartoons in north america, G Force.
Think Atom boy, or one of those Speed racer type cartoons.
Then there was some more in the late 70's, g-force and starblazers.
But it really got big with our age group with voltron, robotech,
orbots, transformers (althought it doesn't really count as anime),
thunderbird 2086, and others. But then it died.
In some places you can see Sailormoon, or dragonball z, and others,
but for the most part anime is strictly for those who a video market.
peace
k. orr
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T. Tauri
AKIEM ALLAH *)7 wrote:
> I think the first was Starblazers back in like '78. it was about a
> regular ocean battle ship that got turned into a space ship, and the
> whole ship could turn into one big lazer blaster and blow whole
> planets. it was dope, I missed many school busses
I don't know if Speed Racer counts as anime (don't know the technical
definition), but wasn't that on before Starblazers? Also there was one
in the same vein called, like, Marine Boy or something. He had
jet-powered boots and chewed oxygen gum and had a dolphin pal.
Peece,
T. Tauri
T. Tauri
Steve S. Jackson wrote:
> Voltron was bangin', but you couldn't get with Starblazers. I'd still
> kill to have the wave motion cannon. Any laser that could take out a
> whole planet or star is definitely a nice piece of weaponry to have.:)
But for a villain, wasn't Deslock a little, y'know, fruity?
(I'm just joking: Starblazers was the coolest.)
Wouldn't mind seeing a tape of some Superfriends episodes either (like
when the Legion of Doom was flying around in that base that looked like
an evil mask...)
Peece,
T. Tauri
"the illest DJ, dropping bombs near and far,
my cuts move heads from here to Iscandar."
:-)
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Greg Marcus (ah...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
: Infinite (jd...@erols.com) writes:
: I swear I know this show as G-Force. Each had their own power and vehicle,
: altho I do not remember them being animals or anything..
: There was a fat guy, a really small guy, a woman, a hero type guy, and
: someone else. One was the head of the big thing, one an arm, one a leg, etc..
Keep in mind that many of these shows shared the same motifs, probably
the same animators, etc. So it's easy to get confused, especially back in
the murky depths of childhood memories. But, anyway, Voltron was formed
out of Tigers; when they formed they would say "form Voltron legs," "form
arms and torso," "form head and sword," etc. There were two other
Voltrons - one made of cars and planes, another made of three robots. The
shows had totally different plots and it could get confusing when they
mixed them up. Both battled these things called "Robeasts."
- cullen
Agent of the Sixth International
John F. Harris, III (Trey)
On 20 Apr 1998, Greg Marcus wrote:
> Infinite (jd...@erols.com) writes:
> >>> Naw, kid... I'm tellin' you... That Voltron cartoon was about these five different
> >>> colored tigers that would form one ill super robot... He had this crazy sword and
> >>> could throw this thing off his chest at this enemy... I used to watch it EVERY day...
> I swear I know this show as G-Force. Each had their own power and vehicle,
> altho I do not remember them being animals or anything..
G-Force & Voltron each had 5 kids with a certain color scheme for
identification. Voltron had 5 lions. G-Force (sometimes known as "Battle
of the Planets") had several different vehicles (motorcycle, jet, tank,
etc.)
Voltron was tough, but nothing could touch G-Force.
Peace,
*** MARBLES ***
Oran,Peel Jones
~----------------------~
peace out from Nicholai W. HermosilloDLS
sjac...@thunder.temple.edu (Steve S. Jackson) writes:
>Voltron was bangin', but you couldn't get with Starblazers. I'd still
>kill to have the wave motion cannon. Any laser that could take out a
>whole planet or star is definitely a nice piece of weaponry to have.:)
Yeah, homes, the wave motion gun was the shiznit. But do any of y'all
headz remember Battle of the Planets, with the "Firey Phoenix" and whatnot?
Or Space Giants, with Goldar, Silvar and Gam?
They may not have had a wave motion gun, but dem shows was da bomb
back in the day.
peace,
dls
jason dexter graham
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, T. Tauri wrote:
> Steve S. Jackson wrote:
>
> > Voltron was bangin', but you couldn't get with Starblazers. I'd still
> > kill to have the wave motion cannon. Any laser that could take out a
> > whole planet or star is definitely a nice piece of weaponry to have.:)
>
> But for a villain, wasn't Deslock a little, y'know, fruity?
>
> (I'm just joking: Starblazers was the coolest.)
>
> Wouldn't mind seeing a tape of some Superfriends episodes either (like
> when the Legion of Doom was flying around in that base that looked like
> an evil mask...)
>
> Peece,
> T. Tauri
>
> "the illest DJ, dropping bombs near and far,
> my cuts move heads from here to Iscandar."
>
> :-)
>
>
>
>
superfriends is on the cartoon network now...i used to watch it everyday,
of course i never realized how busted the animation was...an interesting
thing about that show was that they invented 2 characters that weren't in
DC comics (apache chief and samurai) to make the show more ethnically
diverse or whatever...the shit though was spider man and his
amazing friends with iceman and firestar...the new silver surfer animated
is kinda hot.....
ak...@atcon.com
In article <01bd6bfc$7d921c20$8d5f17cf@gjxwysqy>,
"Fee" <af...@interchange.ubc.ca> wrote:
>
> Whats does Method Man mean when he says
> "We form like Voltron and he just happened to come out
> on top" when referring to the Genius being the "leader"
> of WTC. I've heard many other mc's referring to "Voltron".
>
> Peace,
> Tipper Gore
>
> --------------------
> "Don't even step to me on some bullshit,
> You better off playin Russian Roulette with a full clip"
> - Can-I-Bus
>
>
When I was a kid and lived in England, we got this cartoon actually called
"Voltron". It had the same basic premise as "The Power Rangers", except it
was a hellava lot better. I think the power rangers actually bit their shit.
It had 5 different coloured lions or whatever and they joined together to form
"Voltron", this big robot, who had a sword and battled different enemies and
shit.
Peace.
Kwabena
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<<i remember that...i used to luv it...i even had the toys.....fuck these
power rangers all the Tru odl skool niggaz know bout
Thundercats,Voltron,Speed Racer,G.I Joe,He Man.......im tellin ya
..holla if ya hear me>>
No doubt. Don't forget Transformers...
Peace
Mr. Hyde
Voltron was my shit though...
da One and Only Jazzman
John F. Harris, III (Trey) (jh23...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu) wrote:
: On 20 Apr 1998, Greg Marcus wrote:
:
: G-Force & Voltron each had 5 kids with a certain color scheme for
: identification. Voltron had 5 lions. G-Force (sometimes known as "Battle
: of the Planets") had several different vehicles (motorcycle, jet, tank,
: etc.)
:
: Voltron was tough, but nothing could touch G-Force.
:
:
: Peace,
Did this come on Saturday mornings? I seem to remember a cartoon similar
to this that came on Saturday mornings. Pretty good animation and
artwork if I'm correct.
: : *** MARBLES ***
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jason dexter graham <jd...@columbia.edu> writes:
>superfriends is on the cartoon network now...i used to watch it everyday,
>of course i never realized how busted the animation was...an interesting
>thing about that show was that they invented 2 characters that weren't in
>DC comics (apache chief and samurai) to make the show more ethnically
>diverse or whatever...the shit though was spider man and his
>amazing friends with iceman and firestar...the new silver surfer animated
>is kinda hot.....
The OLD animated Spiderman (Spiderman, Spiderman, does whatever a spider
can, spins his web [...] catches thieves just like flies...) was da
joint. Y'all remember -- with it's "jazz" background music?
peace,
dls
DLS
sjac...@nimbus.temple.edu (da One and Only Jazzman) writes:
>Did this come on Saturday mornings? I seem to remember a cartoon similar
>to this that came on Saturday mornings. Pretty good animation and
>artwork if I'm correct.
You, my brutha, are thinking about THE MIGHTY ORBOTS. And you're
right, for a sat morning joint, the animation was phat.
Btw, whatcha doin' at Temple -- if you don't mind me askin'?
peace,
dls (who may have watched a little too much TV in his younger dayz)
kOeNs
Kenneth Hyde <khy...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in article
<8pD1Oj600...@andrew.cmu.edu>...
> <<i remember that...i used to luv it...i even had the toys.....fuck these
> power rangers all the Tru odl skool niggaz know bout
> Thundercats,Voltron,Speed Racer,G.I Joe,He Man.......im tellin ya
> ..holla if ya hear me>>
even us tru old school white boys down wit it too, why yall fronting on
Macross?
Min Mei where are you?
peace
Rick Hunter
kOeNs
Andrew J. Ryan <bd2...@binghamton.edu> wrote in article
<Pine.SOL.L3.93.980420124633.925K-100000@bingsun1>...
> I agree with Infinite. But Voltron was like a take off of G-Force.
> G-Force was made in the late 70s and Voltron came out in the mid 80s.
> Its sorta like how Martin was a take on the Jefferson's. George
> (Martin) main character w/ all the jokes, Louise (Gina) agreeable
> spouse, annoying neighbor the British guy (Shanaynay). It's like they
> updated the formula for the times. But Voltron is definitely with the 5
> lions (Black (the head), green, yellow, orange, and blue). ANd when
> they came togetehr to form Voltron, the Black tiger would always say:
> And I'll form the head.
yeah thats what I remember but G-Force was good too, but didn't any of you
watch Macross? that was the shit, their whole city was a space shit that
was a gun
peace
Rick Hunter
54 Solja
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Same here. I'm takin' up Telecommunications and Mass Media. Were you at
the jawn Friday night at PSU with Camp Lo and all the local crews? You
probably saw me if you were.
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DLS (dls...@psu.edu) wrote:
:
: The OLD animated Spiderman (Spiderman, Spiderman, does whatever a spider
: can, spins his web [...] catches thieves just like flies...) was da
: joint. Y'all remember -- with it's "jazz" background music?
:
:
: peace,
:
: dls
F'real. I think this one was a li'l more realistic than Spidey and his
Amazing Friends. As a child, I couldn't really appreciate but now that I
think back, it was kinda buttas. Ahh... the old days...
John F. Harris, III (Trey)
Actually, Steve, I couldn't tell you. I remember G-Force from
when I live in Japan, which was between 1977-1980. I can't recall
whether it was on Saturday mornings or not over there.
However, last year, G-Force was being shown on the Cartoon
Network sometime around 2:00 in the morning. I used to watch it
religiously, but fell off over the summer. Anyone know if they still
show it?
And even though it's not anime, I've always held a special place
for the Adventurs of Batman (& Robin).
Peace,
*** MARBLES ***
On 21 Apr 1998, da
One and Only
Jazzman wrote:
> John F. Harris, III (Trey) (jh23...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu) wrote:
> : On 20 Apr 1998, Greg Marcus wrote:
> :
> : G-Force & Voltron each had 5 kids with a certain color scheme for
> : identification. Voltron had 5 lions. G-Force (sometimes known as "Battle
> : of the Planets") had several different vehicles (motorcycle, jet, tank,
> : etc.)
> :
> : Voltron was tough, but nothing could touch G-Force.
> :
> :
> : Peace,
>
> Did this come on Saturday mornings? I seem to remember a cartoon similar
> to this that came on Saturday mornings. Pretty good animation and
> artwork if I'm correct.
>
> : : *** MARBLES ***
> :
>
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sjac...@thunder.temple.edu (Steve S. Jackson) writes:
>Same here. I'm takin' up Telecommunications and Mass Media.
Are you more into the critical (e.g., media studies) or technical
(e.g., video production) dimension of the field?
Were you at
>the jawn Friday night at PSU with Camp Lo and all the local crews? You
>probably saw me if you were.
Naw, kid. I wasn't there. I've been out of the social loop for a while, for
various reasons. I heard some talk about it (Jamfest 98 right?) on the
radio -- how was it?
peace,
dls
Tim Brown.
54 Solja <R-...@webtv.net> wrote in article
<6hi4mc$bke$1...@newsd-124.bryant.webtv.net>...
> oh dog......cant forget about MASK......
Mask was the shit too. I really liked it because it reminded me of
Transformers, the way the vehicles turned into other stuff.
or...@weiss.che.utexas.edu
In article <dls216.155...@psu.edu>#1/1,
dls...@psu.edu (DLS) wrote:
>
> You, my brutha, are thinking about THE MIGHTY ORBOTS. And you're
> right, for a sat morning joint, the animation was phat.
>
> Btw, whatcha doin' at Temple -- if you don't mind me askin'?
>
> peace,
>
> dls (who may have watched a little too much TV in his younger dayz)
Finally, someone else who remembers this series.
k. orr
house of phat beats
B. David Harrison
On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 or...@weiss.che.utexas.edu wrote:
> > You, my brutha, are thinking about THE MIGHTY ORBOTS. And you're
> > right, for a sat morning joint, the animation was phat.
> >
>
> Finally, someone else who remembers this series.
>
This series is the bomb. I've been trying to remember the name of it for
so freakin' long. Y'all don't know how good I feel right now.
David Harrison
Live from Seattle
"Life ain't a game, so why you want to be a player?" - Khujo
T. Tauri
jason dexter graham wrote:
> superfriends is on the cartoon network now...i used to watch it
> everyday, of course i never realized how busted the animation was...an
> interesting thing about that show was that they invented 2 characters
> that weren't in DC comics (apache chief and samurai) to make the show
> more ethnically diverse or whatever...
Doh! No cable. I want my Wonder Twins!!!!
> the shit though was spider man and his amazing friends with iceman and
> firestar...
Yeah, I remember that well. That was on at the height of my comic
interest, but they didn't make a whole lot of episodes. Sentimentally, I
still go for the previous one, with all the repetitious, bugged scenes
where Spidey is cruising with webs seemingly attached to nothing but the
sky above. Very weird cartoon.
Peece,
T. Tauri
B. David Harrison
On 22 Apr 1998, CutinHeadZ wrote:
> the 80's cartoons
>
> G.I.Joe <-- the best
Horrible. G.I. Joe was all about war without consequences. Nobody
died, people always ejected from their planes in time. I sound like an
old grumpy person, but I really disliked this message, and Joe as a
concept.
> Thundercats <---the next best
The shit, my favorite. Lion-O sucked though, so did the kids.
> Voltron
I used to get emotional when they formed Voltron.
> MASK
One big commercial for expensive toys. Mom never bought me any
> GoBots
>
Not as cool as Transformers, but they get points for transforming the
things like the toys actually did.
I'm just sad that Gummi Bears didn't make the list. Great theme song,
and thinly vieled drug themes. (Juice that makes you jump "higher",
that's bong water in my book).
B. Ridge
On 22 Apr 1998, CutinHeadZ wrote:
> the 80's cartoons
>
> G.I.Joe <-- the best
that and the Transformers. How could you forget the Transformers?
> Inhumaniods
The Inhumanoids rocked as well. Very dark...ver violent. Reminds me
of Japanese animation with all the tentacles and gruesome transformations
going on.
> He-man
Wiggedy-wack. But better then She-Ra...
> GoBots
A pale imitation of the Transformers. Even thier toys you could buy
were wack. All falling apart and shit...
>
> I don't remember, there is more to this list i KNOW i am missing some good
> ones, and minor cartoons like Sky Commanders. (they made toys for this, I have
> them)
>
Mmmmm...G-Force came up elsewhere. Now that show was dope. What
about...
Thundaar the Barbarian (with the phat openening credits)
Groovy Ghoulies
Dungeons and Dragons (too bad our D&D sessions were never that cool)
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thatz what im sayin......nobody aint never die on G.I.Joe that was kinda
stupid.......they shootin lasrers and shit...never no bullets.....but
now i watch them japanese cartoon and they aint NO
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Does no one have Cartoon Network cause their showing Voltron, Robotech,
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John F. Harris, III (Trey) wrote:
>
> Or was it Jazz that I'm thinking of? Wheeljack was the "Mr.
> Fixit" and I think Jazz had the super-sound system.
That would be BLASTER ( that huge red and yellow getto-blaster ) :)
CutinHeadZ
the 80's cartoons
G.I.Joe <-- the best
Thundercats <---the next best
Voltron
MASK
Inhumaniods
Robotek
He-man
Jayce And The Wheeled Warriors (SOMEONE remembers this besides me, they have
to)
Silverhawks
Speed Racer (was this 80's?)
Mighty Orbots
GoBots
I don't remember, there is more to this list i KNOW i am missing some good
ones, and minor cartoons like Sky Commanders. (they made toys for this, I have
them)
CutinHeadZ
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"B. David Harrison" writes:
>> Thundercats <---the next best
> The shit, my favorite. Lion-O sucked though, so did the kids.
Did anyone catch that Thunder Cats refernce on that independents 12" with
L Fudge? He said some thing like, "make the crowd go hoooo like Lion-O".
But he didn't say exactly that, it was pretty dope.
Wise
"I'd rather be outta control than to be under it" - Skam
Kenneth Hyde
> GoBots
>
<<Not as cool as Transformers, but they get points for transforming the
things like the toys actually did.>>
I'm sorry Gobots was WEAK!!!! Put that shit up w/ Transformers and
anyone who thinks Gobots was better needs a slap.
<<I'm just sad that Gummi Bears didn't make the list. Great theme song,
and thinly vieled drug themes. (Juice that makes you jump "higher",
that's bong water in my book).>>
Oh definitely. Shit people say cartoons are for kids. Bullshit. Sure
kids like the images, but there's a lot of serious undertones you have
to watch out for. Next time you watch a cartoon (or am I only who still
does) try and check for those undertones and/or symbolism....
Mr. Hyde
Aztec-Assassin
CutinHeadZ (cutin...@aol.com) wrote:
: Jayce And The Wheeled Warriors (SOMEONE remembers this besides me, they have
: to)
HA HA!!! Finally another person who remembers this. I'm always asking
friends about this and they never remember it...I thought maybe I had just
imagined it...even though I remembered the theme song...
ALSO: Anyone remember "Land of the Lost"....that was my show!!! Those
Sleestacks were scary!!! Remember Chaka? My younger brother was afraid of
her and we used to tell him she was coming to get him!
What about this b&w Japanese show called "Specterman" I think. It was this
dude who turned into a metal man and would fight monsters and such. He
could fly and I remember you could see the actual wire that the toy model
or actor was hanging from.
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>> the 80's cartoons
>>
>> G.I.Joe <-- the best
>
> that and the Transformers. How could you forget the Transformers?
>
>
I didn't I just thought It Was obvious that everyone thought TF was dope.
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Kenneth Hyde <khy...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in article
<QpDKprq00...@andrew.cmu.edu>...
> > GoBots
> >
>
> <<Not as cool as Transformers, but they get points for transforming
the
> things like the toys actually did.>>
>
> I'm sorry Gobots was WEAK!!!! Put that shit up w/ Transformers and
> anyone who thinks Gobots was better needs a slap.
For real! Transformers was the best.
Tim Brown.
CutinHeadZ <cutin...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199804220731...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
> On Tue, Apr 21, 1998 21:56 EDT
> "B. Ridge" <bri...@u.washington.edu> Wrote:
>
>
>
> >> the 80's cartoons
> >>
> >> G.I.Joe <-- the best
> >
> > that and the Transformers. How could you forget the Transformers?
> >
> >
>
> I didn't I just thought It Was obvious that everyone thought TF was dope.
It's kinda wack now with that Beast Wars shit. The old TF toys had perfect
design robots that transformed into SIX things
Headmasters
the rub-off logos
Ultra Magnus, Metroplex (and the Decepticon one)
I don't like how simple the new Beast Wars robots look and transform. They
don't look "mechanized" enough.
"Open. Dammit, open!" -Ultra Magnus
LionRanger
In article <199804220110...@ladder01.news.aol.com>#1/1,
> Voltron
> MASK
> Inhumaniods
> He-man
Jayce And The Wheeled Warriors (SOMEONE remembers this besides me, they have
to)-This cartoon sucked IMHO
Silverhawks-I loved this one as a child!
Speed Racer (was this 80's?)-I think that was 70s
> Mighty Orbots
> GoBots
>
> I don't remember, there is more to this list i KNOW i am missing some good
> ones,
u forgot Transformers
and minor cartoons like Sky Commanders. (they made toys for this, I have
> them)
>
> CutinHeadZ
> (Megatron)..why waste your life so foolishly (Prime)...Thats a question you
> should ask yourself
> One of 2 people on the planet who Likes Y?N-Vee
> Go To My Y?N-Vee Homepage:
> Http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Quad/6998/ynvee.html
>
>
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<<I love cartoon threads. Mask, GI Joe, Gummi Bears, Voltron, Thundercats,
Transformers, Go Bots (Ghetto Transformers), He-Man (later She-Ra).... All this
brings back such memories. Does anyone remember that WWF cartoon with Lou
Albano, Andre the Giant, Hulk Holgan, etc...? And does anybody else remember
the Incredible Hulk cartoon on saturday mornings around 84-85? Those were the
shit.>>
I remember the WWF cartoon. how could you forget JYD??
<<Also, I was wondering if I was the only one who wanted to see He-Man lose
to Skeletor, GI Joe lose to Cobra, The Decepticons Win, Liano (sp??) from
thundercats Die, The Cayote killing the road runner, Sylvester eat Tweety, and
Tom Kill Jerry? If I am, then I KNOW i'm evil and will go to hell.>>
Yes. Me too. I hated that punk ass mouse Jerry. I hated when Tom would
sell out and join forces with Jerry. That was weak. I was waiting for
him to pull some sabotage shit, but no luck. I hated that damn tweety
bird, the roadrunner. Also whenever I get to watch wrestling I'm always
going for the bad guy no matter what...I wish Bad News Brown was still
around...
Peace
Mr. Hyde
Maseo27
I love cartoon threads. Mask, GI Joe, Gummi Bears, Voltron, Thundercats,
Transformers, Go Bots (Ghetto Transformers), He-Man (later She-Ra).... All this
brings back such memories. Does anyone remember that WWF cartoon with Lou
Albano, Andre the Giant, Hulk Holgan, etc...? And does anybody else remember
the Incredible Hulk cartoon on saturday mornings around 84-85? Those were the
shit.
to Skeletor, GI Joe lose to Cobra, The Decepticons Win, Liano (sp??) from
thundercats Die, The Cayote killing the road runner, Sylvester eat Tweety, and
Tom Kill Jerry? If I am, then I KNOW i'm evil and will go to hell.
(DuckTails was Phat too! Its STILL my goal to swim in my money one day.)
Maseo
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Maseo27
>I remember the WWF cartoon. how could you forget JYD??
I dont know, I must've been really tired. Thats why I played hookey (I like
that word) today. JYD was always the shit.
>Yes. Me too. I hated that punk ass mouse Jerry. I hated when Tom would
>sell out and join forces with Jerry. That was weak. I was waiting for
>him to pull some sabotage shit, but no luck. I hated that damn tweety
>bird, the roadrunner. Also whenever I get to watch wrestling I'm always
>going for the bad guy no matter what...I wish Bad News Brown was still
>around...
>
>Peace
Dope. My man, we shall burn in hell together :) Long live the bad guys!!
Peace,
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T. Tauri (ea...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: jason dexter graham wrote:
:
: Yeah, I remember that well. That was on at the height of my comic
: interest, but they didn't make a whole lot of episodes. Sentimentally, I
: still go for the previous one, with all the repetitious, bugged scenes
: where Spidey is cruising with webs seemingly attached to nothing but the
: sky above. Very weird cartoon.
:
: Peece,
: T. Tauri
that's the only thing that took me out about the old Spiderman cartoons
(both that one and "..his Amazing Friends".. what the HELL did his
webbing grab onto? That's what I like about the new one, he does more
jumping and clinging than swinging. But, like every cartoon i used to
watch, i had a theory for it's inconsistency.
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Maseo27 (mas...@aol.com) wrote:
: Also, I was wondering if I was the only one who wanted to see He-Man lose
: to Skeletor,
He almost did one time...
: GI Joe lose to Cobra,
the closest they ever came to losing was in GI Joe, the movie. i'd still
kill for that if only for the scene where Nemesis Enforcer (that was a
fly name) grabbed Quick Kick's foot and slammed him into a 30 foot tall
mushroom.
: The Decepticons Win,
They did, that's why they ruled Cybertron in Transformers the movie.
: Liano (sp??) from thundercats Die,
In my opinion, Lion-O was a bitch. forgive my language.
: The Cayote killing the road runner,
Ever see the episode where the Coyote expalined why he wanted to eat the
Road Runner? That was cool.
: Sylvester eat Tweety,
He did... just never swallowed.
: and
: Tom Kill Jerry?
If you can survive explosions from mad TNT, i don't think a cat eating
you is gonna do it.
: If I am, then I KNOW i'm evil and will go to hell.
: Peace,
: (DuckTails was Phat too! Its STILL my goal to swim in my money one day.)
: Maseo
Duck tails was nice. I'll always give them props for getting Peter
Cullen (voice of Optimus Prime, Ironhide, and some other people) to do
the voice over of one of the characters. Disney has come with some nice
cartoons that haven't lasted. Remember the one with Baloo, King Louie,
and some small bear cub kid. The first few were kinda nice. Gargoyles
was straight bangin' too.
Steve S. Jackson
CutinHeadZ (cutin...@aol.com) wrote:
: the 80's cartoons
:
: G.I.Joe <-- the best
: Thundercats <---the next best
You need to put transformers first, then GI Joe.
: Voltron
: MASK
: Inhumaniods
I'm not sure if I remember these. Were these the people who rode around
on Insects? Or were they Insectoids?
BTW, how come no one seems to remember the short lived, but ever dope
Visionaries:
"Whispered Secrets of a shattered age
I summon you renew this sage..."
When I first started with email, i used to alterneate their various
chantings as sig files.
: Robotek
: He-man
: Jayce And The Wheeled Warriors (SOMEONE remembers this besides me, they have
: to)
Yeah, i remmebered them. They came at some weird time here, and I never
got to see them alot.
: Silverhawks
: Speed Racer (was this 80's?)
: Mighty Orbots
: GoBots
:
: I don't remember, there is more to this list i KNOW i am missing some good
: ones, and minor cartoons like Sky Commanders. (they made toys for this, I have
: them)
Sky Commanders were the bomb too... Art could've used some work at times,
but nonetheless the story wasn't bad. I had a few of the toys. They
were lots of fun. Strings and sh*t everywhere. My mother used to come
in, look at me and just be like what the hell???? Definitely creative?
Was I the only guy who enjoyed watching Jem? Did I only wahtch it
because they talked about holograms or was it the music and their
strugllings with the industry and their group? Not a bad cartoon
either... i remember when the supposedly had a tour date in Philly. I
was upset they didn't mention the spectrum or vet stadium, but that's ok...
anyone remember the Bigfoot cartoon or ROBOTIX? Now THAT, was the
jiznawn... damn, I know a li'l too much about this stuff...
: : : CutinHeadZ
: (Megatron)..why waste your life so foolishly (Prime)...Thats a question you
: should ask yourself
: One of 2 people on the planet who Likes Y?N-Vee
: Go To My Y?N-Vee Homepage:
: Http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Quad/6998/ynvee.html
:
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Kenneth Hyde (khy...@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: > GoBots
: >
:
: <<Not as cool as Transformers, but they get points for transforming the
: things like the toys actually did.>>
:
: I'm sorry Gobots was WEAK!!!! Put that shit up w/ Transformers and
: anyone who thinks Gobots was better needs a slap.
What i liked about the GoBots was that a) you could see the way they
transformed and b) people could fit inside of them when they did. With
transformers, sh*t would magically appear and disappear (like Optimus'
infamous trailer) Never happened with GoBots. Plus, the GoBots had
Zod... which really did do anything but terrorfy the sh*t out of the good
guys and humans.
:
: <<I'm just sad that Gummi Bears didn't make the list. Great theme song,
: and thinly vieled drug themes. (Juice that makes you jump "higher",
: that's bong water in my book).>>
:
: Oh definitely. Shit people say cartoons are for kids. Bullshit. Sure
: kids like the images, but there's a lot of serious undertones you have
: to watch out for. Next time you watch a cartoon (or am I only who still
: does) try and check for those undertones and/or symbolism....
:
: Mr. Hyde
For real, i loved the Gummi Bears. Another good Disney cartoon. Plus,
most carttons have some type of serious or political undertones (look at
Tiny Toons and Pinky and the Brain). And those that don't, are just mad
serious (gargoyles, X-Men to an extent).
[WUZ!]
Maseo27 wrote:
> Also, I was wondering if I was the only one who wanted to see He-Man
lose
>to Skeletor, GI Joe lose to Cobra, The Decepticons Win, Liano (sp??) from
>thundercats Die, The Cayote killing the road runner, Sylvester eat Tweety,
and
>Tom Kill Jerry? If I am, then I KNOW i'm evil and will go to hell.
No, you're not the only one. Those cartoons get monotonous after a while. I
always hope the good guy loses. It would also be educational to the
children, give them a dose of reality.
I'm especially waiting for the Power Rangers (thought that's not a cartoon)
to loose. They always cheat! If they are almost destroyed, they get
themselves a new power from sun or whatever. And why do those damn monsters
always just stand their waiting when the PR's are making those spastic moves
when they call their robots? I would crush them.
(my little brother watches it).
Itchy and Scratchy is cool too.
John F. Harris, III (Trey)
On 23 Apr 1998, Steve S. Jackson wrote:
> : GI Joe lose to Cobra,
>
> the closest they ever came to losing was in GI Joe, the movie. i'd still
> kill for that if only for the scene where Nemesis Enforcer (that was a
> fly name) grabbed Quick Kick's foot and slammed him into a 30 foot tall
> mushroom.
When I was younger, I thought that Nemesis Enforcer was the
absolute coolest name that anyone could have. Otherwise, I hated the
"Cobra-La-La-La" with vegetation weapons. Serpentor was wack. Give me
Destro, Snake Eyes and a MASS device anyday.
> : Liano (sp??) from thundercats Die,
>
> In my opinion, Lion-O was a bitch. forgive my language.
Lion-O was a punk. Panthro held things down.
> : The Cayote killing the road runner,
>
> Ever see the episode where the Coyote expalined why he wanted to eat the
> Road Runner? That was cool.
I like it when Wile E. Coyote would talk in his stuffy voice and
introduce himself as "Wile E. Coyote, genius".
> : Tom Kill Jerry?
>
> If you can survive explosions from mad TNT, i don't think a cat eating
> you is gonna do it.
I've come to realize that Tom & Jerry is probably the greatest,
funniest, most entertaining cartoon in the history of the universe. No
contest.
> : (DuckTails was Phat too! Its STILL my goal to swim in my money one day.)
> Gargoyles was straight bangin' too.
Yeah, Gargoyles is pretty good, too. Props to B. David for (I
think that's who it was) for bringing up the Gummi Bears. Does anyone
remember the episode, where the bounty hunter was hired to get the Gummi
Bears and Toady was gonna steal his bag of gold and the bounty hunter
pointed a crossbow at him, looked at him and said, "Go ahead...take my
pay."
One of the all-time greatest cartoon moments ever.
Peace,
*** MARBLES ***
John F. Harris, III (Trey)
On 23 Apr 1998, Steve S. Jackson wrote:
> that's the only thing that took me out about the old Spiderman cartoons
> (both that one and "..his Amazing Friends".. what the HELL did his
> webbing grab onto? That's what I like about the new one, he does more
> jumping and clinging than swinging. But, like every cartoon i used to
> watch, i had a theory for it's inconsistency.
The best thing about "Spider Man & His Amazing Friends" was the
frequent connections to the Marvel Universe. The X-Men appearances were
chips.
Peace,
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On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:23:46 -0400, Kenneth Hyde
<khy...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>I hope you're not asking about what Voltron is. It's like only one of
>the best action cartoons ever produced (besides maybe the Transformers).
Galaxy Rangers is actually the best everproduced. The writing was top
notch. although, some of the G.I. Joe movies were really good.
peace
k. orr
house of phat beats
kari orr.
>> In my opinion, Lion-O was a bitch. forgive my language.
> Lion-O was a punk. Panthro held things down.
Was I the only one who thought Panthro was the token African American
character?
> I've come to realize that Tom & Jerry is probably the greatest,
>funniest, most entertaining cartoon in the history of the universe. No
>contest.
And anyone notice all the blatant racism of that toon.
> Yeah, Gargoyles is pretty good, too. Props to B. David for (I
>think that's who it was) for bringing up the Gummi Bears. Does anyone
>remember the episode, where the bounty hunter was hired to get the Gummi
>Bears and Toady was gonna steal his bag of gold and the bounty hunter
>pointed a crossbow at him, looked at him and said, "Go ahead...take my
>pay."
That was dope, the crossbow shot boomerangs.
All in all that was a sad series, cause they were the last ones left.
Speaking of which, last night on one of those new...entertainment
shows there was a story about this Black Russian Woman who was
Russia's Ricki Lake. My boy was saying something to the effect, what
would it be like to be the only black person you see outside of your
folks?
k. orr
Tim Brown.
kari orr. <or...@weiss.che.utexas.edu> wrote in article
<353fd3ab...@news.onr.com>...
> On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:28:12 GMT, "John F. Harris, III (Trey)"
> <jh23...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> wrote:
>
> >> In my opinion, Lion-O was a bitch. forgive my language.
> > Lion-O was a punk. Panthro held things down.
>
> Was I the only one who thought Panthro was the token African American
> character?
Yeah! I noticed that! He reminds me of James Earl Jones or Ernie Hudson.
> > I've come to realize that Tom & Jerry is probably the greatest,
> >funniest, most entertaining cartoon in the history of the universe. No
> >contest.
>
> And anyone notice all the blatant racism of that toon.
You mean the black woman who Tom lived with in the older ones?
"Thomas!"
Tim Brown.
[WUZ!] <nospa...@club.innet.be> wrote in article
<6ho672$fpt$1...@xenon.inbe.net>...
>
> Maseo27 wrote:
> > Also, I was wondering if I was the only one who wanted to see He-Man
> lose
> >to Skeletor, GI Joe lose to Cobra, The Decepticons Win, Liano (sp??)
from
> >thundercats Die, The Cayote killing the road runner, Sylvester eat
Tweety,
> and
> >Tom Kill Jerry? If I am, then I KNOW i'm evil and will go to hell.
>
>
> No, you're not the only one. Those cartoons get monotonous after a while.
I
> always hope the good guy loses. It would also be educational to the
> children, give them a dose of reality.
>
> I'm especially waiting for the Power Rangers (thought that's not a
cartoon)
> to loose. They always cheat! If they are almost destroyed, they get
> themselves a new power from sun or whatever. And why do those damn
monsters
> always just stand their waiting when the PR's are making those spastic
moves
> when they call their robots? I would crush them.
>
> (my little brother watches it).
I always had issues with that show. How come they crush about 5 buildings
an episode and nobody gets killed? Or do they just not tell us about that?
> Itchy and Scratchy is cool too.
You'd think the quality would decline after 5500 episodes.
Tim Brown.
SCapitanPL <scapi...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199804232147...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
> I wanna see the episode where Scratchy got Itchy!!! That nerd had to
pull the
> plug...
They'll never let them show that one in a million years!
"AAAAAAHHHHHHH!"
Tim Brown.
Steve S. Jackson <sjac...@thunder.temple.edu> wrote in article
<6hngg0$ktj$1...@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>...
> Maseo27 (mas...@aol.com) wrote:
> : Also, I was wondering if I was the only one who wanted to see
He-Man lose
> : to Skeletor,
>
> He almost did one time...
The good guys almost lose in a lot of cartoons but get saved at the last
second.
> : GI Joe lose to Cobra,
>
> the closest they ever came to losing was in GI Joe, the movie. i'd still
> kill for that if only for the scene where Nemesis Enforcer (that was a
> fly name) grabbed Quick Kick's foot and slammed him into a 30 foot tall
> mushroom.
>
> : The Decepticons Win,
>
> They did, that's why they ruled Cybertron in Transformers the movie.
That's the first time I ever saw such a mass kill of good guys. I always
thought good guys dying in cartoons was taboo.
> : (DuckTails was Phat too! Its STILL my goal to swim in my money one
day.)
> : Maseo
>
> Duck tails was nice. I'll always give them props for getting Peter
> Cullen (voice of Optimus Prime, Ironhide, and some other people) to do
> the voice over of one of the characters. Disney has come with some nice
> cartoons that haven't lasted. Remember the one with Baloo, King Louie,
> and some small bear cub kid. The first few were kinda nice. Gargoyles
> was straight bangin' too.
Tailspin. That was cool. I really liked Goof Troop also. I don't think I
hated any of the Disney Afternooon cartoons.
A lot of the ones out now are becoming more mature, like Gargoyles and
Batman.
B. David Harrison
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, kari orr. wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:28:12 GMT, "John F. Harris, III (Trey)"
> <jh23...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> wrote:
>
> >> In my opinion, Lion-O was a bitch. forgive my language.
> > Lion-O was a punk. Panthro held things down.
>
> Was I the only one who thought Panthro was the token African American
> character?
>
You know, I've never thought about it, but now that you mention it, I
guess I always assumed Panthro was black. But then that goes back to a
lot of stereotypes about voice and such.
>
> That was dope, the crossbow shot boomerangs.
> All in all that was a sad series, cause they were the last ones left.
Gargoyles? I really dug that. It tried to do some issues, kinda like
X-Men did with the mutant haters. Problem is that those both seemed to
link marginialized groups (I learned a new term today, trying it out to
see what people feel) with subhumans, not a metaphor I'm really down with.
David Harrison
Live from Seattle
"Life ain't a game, so why you want to be a player?" - Khujo
T. Tauri
kari orr. wrote:
> > I've come to realize that Tom & Jerry is probably the
> > greatest, funniest, most entertaining cartoon in the history of the
> > universe. No contest.
>
> And anyone notice all the blatant racism of that toon.
When they show them now, has that stuff (like when a cigar blows up and
Tom is in blackface) been edited out? I loved Tom and Jerry as a kid,
but I remember things like that, and I wonder how those cartoons would
seem to me now. I think the racism was pretty frequent.
Peece,
T. Tauri
T. Tauri
John F. Harris, III (Trey) wrote:
> The best thing about "Spider Man & His Amazing Friends" was the
> frequent connections to the Marvel Universe. The X-Men appearances
> were chips.
Yep.
Peece,
T. Tauri
Sandlz
Jeez..please don't forget He-Man, which was one of the greatest cartoons
ever, that and Transformers...
I watched He-Man all the time, and a few months ago i rented some old HeMan
cartoons for my 5 year old brother, so he could see some quality cartoons,
y'know...classic shit
B. Ridge
On 24 Apr 1998, Steve S. Jackson wrote:
>
> For real. GI Joe was the ultimate in multi-ethnic cartoons. Destro was
> black. Was he the only black bad guy? I maintain to this day that Snake
> Eyes was black also. Zartan and his siblings were Mediterranean, weren't
> they? But the Dreadknoughts were British....or Aussie? go figure... I
> found it cool that the black snowtrooper was born in Texas and hated
> heat. What was his name? And why did Sci-Fi have a black voice and
> light skin? dag, all of the old memories and questions return.... anyone
> else used to ponder these as a child?
>
Damn... ya'll remember this shit better then I do. ANyway, the
Snowtrooper's name was Snow Job, though I thought he was white. Speaking
of multi-ethnic, didn't they have a native-american guy with an eagle or
sumthin? Anybody else collect the little ID cards on the back of the
boxes? I remember getting some huge GI Joe artillery weapon that came with
a guy called Heavy Metal when I was 11.
The next-door kid broke it on the second day I had it and I was crying and
shit.
Bridge
I tried U.N.I.T.Y., but why? Cus when I was lacking, bitches made me
want to roll over and die. So now I lie. Cus bitches are like flies. Why?
They attract to the best shit. You go to play Max Julian's role unless you
plan on being celibate. Cus bitches want the money clip and whatever dick
that comes with it.
Ras Kass
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bridge1/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
John F. Harris, III (Trey)
In response to Kari pointing out that Tom & Jerry was loaded
with blatant racism...
Most definitely. It was so blatant that maybe I came to expect
it. I don't know if it's good or not (probably not), but I'm able to
overlook it. There's no excuse for it and it's probably never going to
be addressed.
But I'm sorry, that cartoon is the funniest thing I've ever seen
in my life. I laugh out loud, by myself. The stuff is so basic and
lowbrow, and it's the same thing over & over. But, damn, it's
entertaining.
And B. David made a point about non-human creatures being used
to portray marginalized ;) groups in the Gargoyles cartoon and the
X-Men comic book. Y'know, I've been reading X-Men for 13 years and
about 6-7 years ago, I realized that the mebers of the group that I
associated the most with were the Beast and Nightcrawler, because their
appearance made them outcasts. Storm is "black", but she's African.
Bishop is from 70+ years ahead in some post-apocalyptic future. What
does he know about being black?
Peace,
*** MARBLES ***
On Thu, 23
Apr 1998, B. David Harrison
John F. Harris, III (Trey)
Yeah, it was *really* obvious that Panthro was "the black guy".
Just like Wheeljack (was that his name?) from the Transformers
Anyone else think that Destro was black? I maintain to this day
that he was a bro...
Peace,
*** MARBLES ***
CutinHeadZ
On Thu, Apr 23, 1998 21:04 EDTWrote:
> Anyone else think that Destro was black? I maintain to this day
>that he was a bro...
>
>
Nah Destro Was A white Englishman, In the comics there were a few issues where
he removed his mask. Plus he never wore a shirt in early episodes, and his
chest showed he wasn't black
Steve S. Jackson
kari orr. (or...@weiss.che.utexas.edu) wrote:
: On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:28:12 GMT, "John F. Harris, III (Trey)"
: <jh23...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> wrote:
:
: >> In my opinion, Lion-O was a bitch. forgive my language.
: > Lion-O was a punk. Panthro held things down.
:
: Was I the only one who thought Panthro was the token African American
: character?
Nope. Blaster and Jazz were the token Black transformers also. But who
wouldn't kill to have Jazz's system?
:
: > I've come to realize that Tom & Jerry is probably the greatest,
: >funniest, most entertaining cartoon in the history of the universe. No
: >contest.
:
: And anyone notice all the blatant racism of that toon.
definitely. Before I got old enough to completely understand racism, I
still didn't like it. I always felt it was just utter stupidity. And
the fact that Jerry never got eaten (or at least an @$$ whoopin') irked
me too. The only one that had me laughin' was when jerry's uncle or
something came and he'd use Tom's whiskers as his banjo strings.
: : > Yeah, Gargoyles is pretty good, too. Props to B. David for (I
: >think that's who it was) for bringing up the Gummi Bears. Does anyone
: >remember the episode, where the bounty hunter was hired to get the Gummi
: >Bears and Toady was gonna steal his bag of gold and the bounty hunter
: >pointed a crossbow at him, looked at him and said, "Go ahead...take my
: >pay."
:
: That was dope, the crossbow shot boomerangs.
: All in all that was a sad series, cause they were the last ones left.
:
It was still type nice though.
:
: Speaking of which, last night on one of those new...entertainment
: shows there was a story about this Black Russian Woman who was
: Russia's Ricki Lake. My boy was saying something to the effect, what
: would it be like to be the only black person you see outside of your
: folks?
I think Hard Copy or soemthing did an expose on this some years ago.
They interviewed this chic (either a journalist or model or soemthing)
and she was one of the VERY few (maybe 3 in the whole country) black
russians. She was like she didn't notice it because people just saw her
as russian. There wasn't any real racial problem because she'd lived the
culture and lifestyle of a russian all of her life. Oh, to get to that
point.
: k. orr
Steve S. Jackson
John F. Harris, III (Trey) (jh23...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu) wrote:
:
:
: Yeah, it was *really* obvious that Panthro was "the black guy".
: Just like Wheeljack (was that his name?) from the Transformers
: Anyone else think that Destro was black? I maintain to this day
: that he was a bro...
:
: *** MARBLES ***
For real. GI Joe was the ultimate in multi-ethnic cartoons. Destro was
black. Was he the only black bad guy? I maintain to this day that Snake
Eyes was black also. Zartan and his siblings were Mediterranean, weren't
they? But the Dreadknoughts were British....or Aussie? go figure... I
found it cool that the black snowtrooper was born in Texas and hated
heat. What was his name? And why did Sci-Fi have a black voice and
light skin? dag, all of the old memories and questions return.... anyone
else used to ponder these as a child?
Brought to you by:
John F. Harris, III (Trey)
Or was it Jazz that I'm thinking of? Wheeljack was the "Mr.
Fixit" and I think Jazz had the super-sound system.
Peace,
*** MARBLES ***
kOeNs
> :
> : Speaking of which, last night on one of those new...entertainment
> : shows there was a story about this Black Russian Woman who was
> : Russia's Ricki Lake. My boy was saying something to the effect, what
> : would it be like to be the only black person you see outside of your
> : folks?
>
> I think Hard Copy or soemthing did an expose on this some years ago.
> They interviewed this chic (either a journalist or model or soemthing)
> and she was one of the VERY few (maybe 3 in the whole country) black
> russians. She was like she didn't notice it because people just saw her
> as russian. There wasn't any real racial problem because she'd lived the
> culture and lifestyle of a russian all of her life. Oh, to get to that
> point.
>
would it really be worth the russian peasant lifestyle to avoid prejudice?
and dont you think that once there were many non white people in Russia, an
element of the white Russian poulation would begin to resent to newcomers
regardless
of their race but just because they were new, and then wouldn't their skin
colour be used to identify them?
--
peace
kOeNs
Tim Brown.
John F. Harris, III (Trey) <jh23...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> wrote in article
<Pine.OSF.3.93.98042...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>...
>
>
> Or was it Jazz that I'm thinking of? Wheeljack was the "Mr.
> Fixit" and I think Jazz had the super-sound system.
Actually it is Blaster (the radio with the tapes), but Jazz (the Porsche)
was "black" too.
Tim Brown.
Steve S. Jackson <sjac...@thunder.temple.edu> wrote in article
<6hoqcp$4vj$1...@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>...
> kari orr. (or...@weiss.che.utexas.edu) wrote:
> : On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:28:12 GMT, "John F. Harris, III (Trey)"
> : <jh23...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> wrote:
> :
> : >> In my opinion, Lion-O was a bitch. forgive my language.
> : > Lion-O was a punk. Panthro held things down.
> :
> : Was I the only one who thought Panthro was the token African American
> : character?
>
> Nope. Blaster and Jazz were the token Black transformers also. But who
> wouldn't kill to have Jazz's system?
Maybe it's just me, I think maybe they "talked" black because a Black
person did their voices.
Kenneth Hyde
kari orr. wrote:
> > I've come to realize that Tom & Jerry is probably the
> > greatest, funniest, most entertaining cartoon in the history of the
> > universe. No contest.
>
> And anyone notice all the blatant racism of that toon.
<<When they show them now, has that stuff (like when a cigar blows up and
Tom is in blackface) been edited out? I loved Tom and Jerry as a kid,
but I remember things like that, and I wonder how those cartoons would
seem to me now. I think the racism was pretty frequent.
Peece,
T. Tauri>>
Definitely, and what about those WB Looney Tunes,w/ Bugs Bunny, Daffy
Duck, Porky Pig. I remember one time when Yosemite Sam was chasing Bugs
Bunny down past the Mason Dixon Line and he (Bugs) did some imitation of
a slave. That shit was terrible. Someone had told me that they took a
Modern Culture and Media class at Brown Univ. where they showed some
shit from Looney Tunes that he thought to be 10X worse....A lot of those
50s, 60's cartoons, and perhaps even now are sending some ill messages
if you really sit down and think about shit while you watch them...
Mr. Hyde
T. Tauri
> > who wouldn't kill to have Jazz's system?
>
> Maybe it's just me, I think maybe they "talked" black because a Black
> person did their voices.
I don't remember Transformers all that well, but didn't Scatman Crothers
do one of their voices?
Peece,
T. Tauri
Kenneth Hyde
<<Yeah, it was *really* obvious that Panthro was "the black guy".>>
Of course. I always thought he sounded like Mac from Night Court....
<<Just like Wheeljack (was that his name?) from the Transformers>>
Don't forget Jazz. That was my first Transformer toy...
<<Anyone else think that Destro was black? I maintain to this day
that he was a bro...>>
Me 2
Peace
Mr. Hyde
Mike Burke
Herman McClain <mccl...@idt.net> wrote in article
<353CAB...@idt.net>...
> John F. Harris, III (Trey) wrote:
> >
> > Or was it Jazz that I'm thinking of? Wheeljack was the "Mr.
> > Fixit" and I think Jazz had the super-sound system.
>
>
No, Jazz had a boomin' system before Blaster was even created.
--
"As hard as it is to be perfect; I try"
T-Mo
Mike Burke
Mike Burke
T. Tauri <ea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<6hqn9v$j...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>
> I don't remember Transformers all that well, but didn't Scatman Crothers
> do one of their voices?
>
Yes! He was Jazz, one of my all-time favorite characters!
DLS
>T. Tauri <ea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
><6hqn9v$j...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>>
>> I don't remember Transformers all that well, but didn't Scatman Crothers
>> do one of their voices?
>>
"Mike Burke" <Hom...@pacbell.net> writes:
>Yes! He was Jazz, one of my all-time favorite characters!
Cartoon trivia question:
Scatman was also the voice of another cartoon character. Which one?
Hint: He's the #1 superguy.
peace,
dls
T. Tauri
Kenneth Hyde wrote:
>
> kari orr. wrote:
> > And anyone notice all the blatant racism of that toon.
>
> Duck, Porky Pig. I remember one time when Yosemite Sam was chasing
> Bugs Bunny down past the Mason Dixon Line and he (Bugs) did some
> imitation of a slave. That shit was terrible. Someone had told me that
> they took a Modern Culture and Media class at Brown Univ. where they
> showed some shit from Looney Tunes that he thought to be 10X
> worse....A lot of those 50s, 60's cartoons, and perhaps even now are
> sending some ill messages if you really sit down and think about shit
> while you watch them...
It's pretty sick to think of how much racism I was exposed to by things
like that as a child. I remember when there was a chain of restaurants
called "Sambo's."
On a related note to the cartoon/superhero talk, does anyone remember
Mantis? Show was on not too long ago. But the thing that impressed me
wasn't the show, but the premier movie the series was based on. It had
some problems of its own, but I remember it was really cool in that it
showed a group of black characters who had different upbringings,
philosophies, and didn't say that one was better than another. One scene
in particular, where one guy with a more "ghetto" upbringing meets a
woman with a college scholarship background, and is like, "Oh, you're
one of those affirmative action types." Unfortunately, the series got
rid of all of that.
Peece,
T. Tauri
Aaron
>Definitely, and what about those WB Looney Tunes,w/ Bugs Bunny, Daffy
>Duck, Porky Pig. I remember one time when Yosemite Sam was chasing Bugs
>Bunny down past the Mason Dixon Line and he (Bugs) did some imitation of
>a slave. That shit was terrible. Someone had told me that they took a
>Modern Culture and Media class at Brown Univ. where they showed some
>shit from Looney Tunes that he thought to be 10X worse....A lot of those
>50s, 60's cartoons, and perhaps even now are sending some ill messages
>if you really sit down and think about shit while you watch them...
Word. My brother wants to be a cartoonist & he's real deep into Loony
Tunes. They diss blacks, asians, native americans & whoever else. One of
thier 1st characters was Bosco & I'll be damned if he isnt supposed to be a
blackfaced white guy. Since they started editing violence & racism from old
cartoons its kind of weird to watch them. Just not the same!
Maseo27
>Yeah, it was *really* obvious that Panthro was "the black guy".
>:
>: Anyone else think that Destro was black? I maintain to this day
>: that he was a bro...
>:
>: *** MARBLES ***
>
>For real. GI Joe was the ultimate in multi-ethnic cartoons. Destro was
>black. Was he the only black bad guy? I maintain to this day that Snake
>Eyes was black also.
Its so unbelieveably Phat to me that so many of us thought the same things. I
always thought destro was black also. I had seen something where he took off
his mask and you could see the back of his head, and I knew he wasnt black, but
I always maintained that he WAS black, even after I knew he Really wasnt.
Wierd. Maybe it was the Jordan-esque Bald head.
I remember around 1984 I had a Destro Action figure (I used to call them
dolls, but I want you to get a better mental figure of what I'm talking about)
and It had the same silver head that he had on the cartoon. For some stupid
reason, I traded it to my friend, and they discontinued the destro with the
silver head. Years later, they re-manufactured the Destro GI Joe toy, but only
with a gold head. A gold HEAD?? WTF?? Where the hell did they get that Idea
from? Does anyone know why they did this, and Does anyone know what I'm
talking about?
Peace,
Maseo
"I got rhymes to make your whole head swell up.
Here's and Ice-pack, Homeboy, Shut the hell up"--Erick Sermon
"From Brentwood to San Quentin, I'ma keep rhymin, and still
representin"--Parrish Smith
Maseo27
>I'm especially waiting for the Power Rangers (thought that's not a cartoon)
>to loose. They always cheat! If they are almost destroyed, they get
>themselves a new power from sun or whatever. And why do those damn monsters
>always just stand their waiting when the PR's are making those spastic moves
>when they call their robots? I would crush them.
>
>(my little brother watches it).
ROFLMAO!!!! I've felt this way so many times, just never put it into words.
Right on!! LOL!!
Mike Burke
Maseo27 <mas...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199804250327...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
> >Yeah, it was *really* obvious that Panthro was "the black guy".
> >: Just like Wheeljack (was that his name?) from the Transformers
> >:
> >: Anyone else think that Destro was black? I maintain to this day
> >: that he was a bro...
>
I think that Spike from Transformers was black, too.
B. Ridge
On 20 Apr 1998, Greg Marcus wrote:
>
>
> I swear I know this show as G-Force. Each had their own power and vehicle,
> altho I do not remember them being animals or anything..
>
> There was a fat guy, a really small guy, a woman, a hero type guy, and
> someone else. One was the head of the big thing, one an arm, one a leg, etc..
>
> And I could swear when they formed they said something about Voltron...
> and they said G-Force a whole lot.
>
I know how you feel. All those 80's anime shows were nearly
inter-changeable.
I don't think I ever saw Voltron, but I did catch G-Force a lot cus
that show was on point. HEre's what I remember... 5 people that had some
sort of secret base, I think it was underwater. They had this cool ship
and, when neccessary, each member could detach from the mothership in
their own little vehcle. They had some cool uniforms with capes, white
with each member having a unique trim color. I don't think they formed
into anything bigger then them, thoguh I think they did the ol' pyramid
tactic to intimidate their foes.. I think they had their own unque attacks
as well, but I'm not sure. Everything else is just a alchohol-induced
blur...
Bridge
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Brian Ridge~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
B. Ridge
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Andrew J. Ryan wrote:
> I agree with Infinite. But Voltron was like a take off of G-Force.
> G-Force was made in the late 70s and Voltron came out in the mid 80s.
> Its sorta like how Martin was a take on the Jefferson's. George
> (Martin) main character w/ all the jokes, Louise (Gina) agreeable
> spouse, annoying neighbor the British guy (Shanaynay). It's like they
> updated the formula for the times. But Voltron is definitely with the 5
> lions (Black (the head), green, yellow, orange, and blue). ANd when
> they came togetehr to form Voltron, the Black tiger would always say:
> And I'll form the head.
>
Then who the hell were the Thundercats? I thought they were the 5
lions
that turned into something bigger?
"Thunder, thunder, thundercats, Oh!" Das Efx
B. Ridge
On 23 Apr 1998, Steve S. Jackson wrote:
> CutinHeadZ (cutin...@aol.com) wrote:
>
> : Voltron
> : MASK
> : Inhumaniods
>
> I'm not sure if I remember these. Were these the people who rode around
> on Insects? Or were they Insectoids?
>
>
The Inhumanoids were a bit different from the rest of the animated
series' of it's day. Nothing transformed ala The Transformers, nobody
joind together to bcome a
huge robot. The bad guys were a collection of, well, Inhumanoids, from
deep below the surface of the earth. They were all pretty ugly and if they
touched a human that would kick off a pretty gruesome transformation into
a lesser Inhumaoid. The good guys were similar in size and strength but of
the "defender of the earth" archtype. ANd they had help from humans who
wear cool power armor. There were pretty much two types of shows. Either
the bad guys would attack the surface, or the god guys would go
underground to hunt down the In. But yea, this show was phat and it had
something of a cult following if I remember correctly. Maybe I'll check on
the web...
B. Ridge
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, John F. Harris, III (Trey) wrote:
>
>
> The best thing about "Spider Man & His Amazing Friends" was the
> frequent connections to the Marvel Universe. The X-Men appearances were
> chips.
>
Chips? Well, maybe:) The X-Men appearances were cool as hell though.
I still remember the only time I saw my favorite comic character,
Nightcrawler, animated. Spiderman was up in the X-Men training room
practicing some new moves and the X-Men showed up,. Unfortunately, I
thinkProf. X and WOlverine got all the dialog. But it's all good cus
everyone knows that Nightcrawler would kick SPidey's ass up and down any
block in NYC.
ANybody else wish they were a mutant after reading the X-Men?
Bridge
Yoink!
Maseo27 (mas...@aol.com) wrote:
: Also, I was wondering if I was the only one who wanted to see He-Man lose
: to Skeletor, GI Joe lose to Cobra, The Decepticons Win, Liano (sp??) from
: thundercats Die, The Cayote killing the road runner, Sylvester eat Tweety, and
: Tom Kill Jerry? If I am, then I KNOW i'm evil and will go to hell.
: Peace,
Joe did lose to Cobra, remember when they tried to stop them from getting the
DNA to Serpentor? Tomax and Xamot walked right past the joes and got Napoleon's
DNA....
The Decepticons... hell they won so much it wasn't pitiful... and their decendants
(y'all ARE watching the new Transformers cartoon, right? More classic shit....)
the Predacons just killed off Optimus Prime (again).
Lion-O was a little punk. And that sword got broke not once, not twice, but THREE
times! Damn, a one trick pony with a weak weapon!
He-Man was cool, but looking back now, it had mad repetitive animation.
Speed Racer aged the best of the old cartoons tho. Corny as hell, but it doesn't
grate on my nerves like Battle of the Planets does now....
(Ducks flames)
--
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