Forehand throw technique
Steve Hollasch
I've been told that for disc golfing one should tuck all fingers under
the rim for the forehand throw (I don't remember what the exact reasoning
was). Normally I throw forehand with my index finger along the rim, but I
wouldn't mind being able to throw will all fingers along the rim because I
usually abrade or callous the side of my middle finger after an hour or so
of play.
So is the fingers-under-the-rim approach just for golf, or is it best
for all forehand throwing (like in ultimate)? I'm trying to learn it, but
my throws with the new method all feel like "soggy pizzas" (great phrase!).
Any comments?
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Steve Hollasch / Arizona State University (Tempe, Arizona)
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Chris Fontes
forehand. Around here, the 4 fingers under the rim grip is called
the power grip. I use it in ultimate for long throws and for the
"throw off" at the beginning of a point. (This throw is called the
"pull".) I switch to one finger along the rim when I need to make
a shorter more precise throw. The finger along the rim allows for
a smoother release and pinpoint accuracy.
Chris Fontes -- Penn State Ultimate
Jaimie Polson
>
> I've been told that for disc golfing one should tuck all fingers under
> the rim for the forehand throw (I don't remember what the exact reasoning
> was). Normally I throw forehand with my index finger along the rim, but I
> wouldn't mind being able to throw will all fingers along the rim because I
> usually abrade or callous the side of my middle finger after an hour or so
> of play.
>
> So is the fingers-under-the-rim approach just for golf, or is it best
> for all forehand throwing (like in ultimate)? I'm trying to learn it, but
> my throws with the new method all feel like "soggy pizzas" (great phrase!).
>
> Any comments?
I've never heard of this technique of having all four fingers under the
rim of the disc, but then I'm not golfer.
In Sydney, we have played ultimate seriously(?) for only about four years.
At the beginning of these four years we had to try and develop the forehand
by ourselves. I can tell you that this was damned hard! Its much better to
be taught by someone who knows what they're doing.
We have several names for the forehand throw. I don't know if they come from
the US, but I feel they describe the throw quite well. These names are:
The Sidearm, The Two Finger and The Flick. There are two basic ways we hold
the disc for a sidearm. That is, either with our first two fingers under
the rim (the two finger), or with just the second finger (ie 2 away from the
thumb) along the rim and the index finger pointing towards the centre of the
disc, supporting the disc from underneath.
The twofinger is a stronger throw, and using this you can huck the the disc
better, but some people find it more unstable to release, and not as accurate.
The other name (Flick) is good because it describes the way you throw a
sidearm, ie, using a "flick" of your hand. This gives the disc better spin.
I know that a lot of people develop callouses, and in fact are proud of them.
But then again, others don't, and they're just as good at throwing. I can't
tell you why some people do develop them and others don't.
Jaimie
Steve Hollasch
|
| I've been told that for disc golfing one should tuck all fingers under
| the rim for the forehand throw (I don't remember what the exact reasoning
| was). Normally I throw forehand with my index finger along the rim, but I
| wouldn't mind being able to throw will all fingers along the rim because I
| usually abrade or callous the side of my middle finger after an hour or so
| of play.
|
| So is the fingers-under-the-rim approach just for golf, or is it best
| for all forehand throwing (like in ultimate)? I'm trying to learn it, but
| my throws with the new method all feel like "soggy pizzas" (great phrase!).
|
| Any comments?
jai...@physiol.su.oz.au (Jaimie Polson) writes:
| I've never heard of this technique of having all four fingers under the
| rim of the disc, but then I'm not golfer.
|
| We have several names for the forehand throw...
| These names are: The Sidearm, The Two Finger and The Flick...
Sorry to confuse you; I goofed up (as someone else pointed out to me).
I was talking about the backhand throw. I am truly humiliated.
=^} (embarrassed grin).
Troy Saville
In article <910528215...@enuxha.eas.asu.edu> holl...@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Steve Hollasch) writes:
> I've been told that for disc golfing one should tuck all fingers under
>the rim for the forehand throw (I don't remember what the exact reasoning
>was). Normally I throw forehand with my index finger along the rim, but I
>wouldn't mind being able to throw will all fingers along the rim because I
>usually abrade or callous the side of my middle finger after an hour or so
>of play.
> So is the fingers-under-the-rim approach just for golf, or is it best
>for all forehand throwing (like in ultimate)? I'm trying to learn it, but
>my throws with the new method all feel like "soggy pizzas" (great phrase!).
> Any comments?
I've seen people do a forehand throw with 1,2 and 3 fingers under the rim.
One guy I played a round with shot with 2 fingers under the rim for
ALL of his drive. He was a lot more accurate than most disc golfers who
'pull' the disc.
Then another guy threw with 3 fingers under the rim and
was pretty accurate also.
The key to the forehand throw is the 'snap' of the wrist.
If you do not get enough snap when the disc is thrown, then the
disc tends to wobble(ie. your soggy pizza). In this case, if you throw right
handed, the disc will tend to turn over and go to the left.
Once you get the 'snap' down, you can concentrate on accuracy.
I can't throw the forehand shot flat with accuracy, thats why I don't
do it. I can get by with other types of throws.
I can throw a decent forehanded roller though and a lot of other
'circus' shots. Some shots just can't be done with a hyzer or anhyzer throw.
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Stephen Vinoski
>e...@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Troy Saville) writes:
>>In article <910528215...@enuxha.eas.asu.edu> holl...@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Steve Hollasch) writes:
>>> So is the fingers-under-the-rim approach just for golf, or is it best
>>>for all forehand throwing (like in ultimate)? I'm trying to learn it, but
>>>my throws with the new method all feel like "soggy pizzas" (great phrase!).
>
>
>fading to left -- my forehand throws always fade to the *right*. It
>balances out, though: my backhand throws all fade left.
That's due to the laws of physics. A disc spinning clockwise will
warp off to the left, and a disc spinning counter will warp off to the
right, all due to action-reaction.
For the forehand throw, I've always put my index and middle fingers
under the disc, with my index finger spread toward the center and the
middle finger up against the inside of the rim. Wrist hypersupination
is a must; crank that wrist back and snap the disc forward. A good
way to practice the throw is to try to hold your arm still while using
only your wrist to throw the disc; you should be able to get a nice
throw to go at 10-20 yards using your wrist only!
Disc wobble indicates a lack of spin. Crank that wrist! And don't
forget the hyzer.
For a backhand, I always throw with all fingers curled under the rim.
A lot of people place the index finger on the side of the rim, but it
just gets in the way there. For golf and distance, it will result in
shorter throws. Putting all fingers under the rim may feel strange at
first, but getting the hang of it will result in better throws. Just
make sure everything is comfortable.
I believe holl...@enuxha.eas.asu.edu also mentioned throwing rollers.
I used to golf with a guy that threw nothing but thumb-throw rollers.
He was amazing. He'd roll the damn thing over just about any
obstacle. I got paired with him in a scramble tournament once, and we
won the sudden death playoff because he rolled the disc 90 yards
(even through one 10-yard stretch of trees), leaving it directly under
the basket.
-steve
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Eric Jeschke
|For a backhand, I always throw with all fingers curled under the rim.
|A lot of people place the index finger on the side of the rim, but it
|just gets in the way there. For golf and distance, it will result in
|shorter throws. Putting all fingers under the rim may feel strange at
|first, but getting the hang of it will result in better throws. Just
|make sure everything is comfortable.
I throw backhand with just the tip of my index finger under the rim
(up to the first bend); I also throw overhand with the index finger
just on/under the rim rather than on top of the disc.
I find it gives me better accuracy, since that finger
is the last to leave the disc on the release, and (the index being the
best coordinated of all my digits) I'm able to impart subtle corrections
at the end of the throw for better directionality.
It may sacrifice a bit of power for accuracy, but it's worth it.
Perhaps I could get to be as accurate over time with the throw
Stephen describes, but if it ain't broke...
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Doug Moran
>In article <910528215...@enuxha.eas.asu.edu> holl...@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Steve Hollasch) writes:
>> So is the fingers-under-the-rim approach just for golf, or is it best
>>for all forehand throwing (like in ultimate)? I'm trying to learn it, but
>>my throws with the new method all feel like "soggy pizzas" (great phrase!).
>I've seen people do a forehand throw with 1,2 and 3 fingers under the rim.
I use two fingers under the rim. I've never had a problem with my disk
fading to left -- my forehand throws always fade to the *right*. It
balances out, though: my backhand throws all fade left.
Troy is right, though: the wrist snap is all-important.
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Stephen Vinoski
>This is the second or third time I've seen this term here. What is a
>'hyzer?' I need any info I can get to improve my disc golf game.
I'm not sure if this makes any sense, but:
For reference, treat the disc as a clock face. 12 o'clock refers to the point
of the disc facing the direction of the throw. The "angle of hyzer" refers to
the angle the "side" of the disc (9 o'clock for throwing from the left side of
the body, or 3 o'clock for throwing from the right side) makes with the ground.
A disc which is held flat has no hyzer. More hyzer means that the appropriate
9/3 o'clock point is closer to the ground. Depending on the disc, more hyzer
may be needed depending on the distance to be thrown and/or the headwind, for
example. For S-curve golf discs, "anhyzer" can be applied in order to get that
S effect; "anhyzer" means that the appropriate 9 o'clock or 3 o'clock point is
raised instead of lowered.
FYI, the relation between the 12 o'clock point and the ground is called the
angle of "mung." For example, an air bounce throw needs a lot of "mung" to
succeed. This term is little used, but it's nice to know.
All of this (except anhyzer, which is a recently coined term) is explained in
the book about Frisbees by Stancil Johnson. Can't recall the exact title right
now.
This information won't help your golf game, but it will help you if you buy a
new golf disc and someone tells you how to throw it in terms of hyzer.
RAMontante
My fingers are pretty short, and I have some trouble controlling the
release of the disc. I keep the index finger pointed towards the disc's
middle, and the middle finger near or against the inside of the rim;
just trying to hold the disc firmly enough to do what I intend. It still
doesn't always release at the angle I desire, so that it lifts up, or
turns over left or right, or occasionally buries itself in the ground.
Of course, I obviously am not much of a disc handler...
Bryan Dunlap
Disc wobble indicates a lack of spin. Crank that wrist! And don't
forget the hyzer.
This is the second or third time I've seen this term here. What is a
'hyzer?' I need any info I can get to improve my disc golf game.
Thanks.
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Eric Jeschke
|explained in the book about Frisbees by Stancil Johnson. Can't
|recall the exact title right now.
FRISBEE: a practitioner's manual and definitive treatise
Dr. Stancil E. Johnson
GV1097.J64
ISBN 0-911104-53-4
Workman Publishing Co. NYNY
A little out of date, but the most enjoyable disc book I've ever read.
Lot's of good lore on the early days of "serious" disc.
Troy Saville
>
> Disc wobble indicates a lack of spin. Crank that wrist! And don't
> forget the hyzer.
>
>This is the second or third time I've seen this term here. What is a
>'hyzer?' I need any info I can get to improve my disc golf game.
>Thanks.
I am right handed. If you are right handed, the same thing applies.
hyzer - the disc is held such that the right side of the disc is higher than
the left side of the disc
anhyzer
antihyzer
negative hyzer - the disc is held such that the left side of the disc is
higher than the right side of the disc.
turnover - in the case of right handers, a disc banking from left to right
(without going back to the left) has been turned over.
"Joe, throw the disc with a little hyzer on it......
the disc proceeds to go from right to left, but then
(for some reason: wind, unstable disc etc) goes back to
the right and Joe says: Damn, turned it over"
Some players want the disc to turn over, but turnover
often results in decreased accuracy and less distance.
"turnover" also applies to rollers(both forehand and
backhand).
There are many variations of rollers that come in handy depending on
what kind of situation your in...and circus shots...
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ke...@drogges.tti.com
Moran) writes:
% e...@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Troy Saville) writes:
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% >I've seen people do a forehand throw with 1,2 and 3 fingers under the rim.
%
% I use two fingers under the rim. I've never had a problem with my disk
% fading to left -- my forehand throws always fade to the *right*. It
% balances out, though: my backhand throws all fade left.
%
% Troy is right, though: the wrist snap is all-important.
I am new to this discussion, so pardon any repeated facts.
I used to use 2-fingers under the rim, too, but have recently discovered
that a much simpler technique, and MUCH more accurate, is to simply grip
the frisbee from "underneath" (ie; the entire hand is under the disc), such
that the pivot of the throw is on the palm region around the thumb..
I all-of-the sudden amazed myself (and the local teenagers on the block)
with "behind-the-back" throws that had a lot of spin and good accuracy.
Unfortunately, I can't seem to get a lot of power yet, but I think that can
be worked out.
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Troy Saville
You might be using the 'thumb-roller' grip where the thumb is extended and
'pushes' against the rim and the other fingers curl up over the rim and onto
the top of the disc(which you don't mention). Its a good throw if you
can do it.
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