html editor help
Jeffrey Kaplan
if you can.
I find myself in need of a low or no cost preferably freeware html
editor for Windows. The last one I had hasn't been produced in years
and I cannot find it in my archives. Freeware is preferred,
considering my current non-employment status, though I'm willing to pay
a nominal fee for good shareware. Cracked items are non-starters.
What's prompting me to get one is that I want to put my resume online
as an html page. It's written in MS Word, which sux as an html writer
- it actually mangled the document when saved as html. So... I'm
searching for a WYSIWYG html editor.
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dave...@spamcop.net
> I come with a serious question, so please hold the jokes until later,
> if you can.
> I find myself in need of a low or no cost preferably freeware html
> editor for Windows. The last one I had hasn't been produced in years
> and I cannot find it in my archives. Freeware is preferred,
> considering my current non-employment status, though I'm willing to pay
> a nominal fee for good shareware. Cracked items are non-starters.
> What's prompting me to get one is that I want to put my resume online
> as an html page. It's written in MS Word, which sux as an html writer
> - it actually mangled the document when saved as html. So... I'm
> searching for a WYSIWYG html editor.
Hi, Jeffrey.
Can't help with the HTML end of things, but I'll be happy to turn it into
a .pdf file for you if you'd like. If you're going for a techie-type job,
that may be enough of a "Hey, now *that* is interesting" kind of a hook to
get folks to look at it. Let me know; it's trivial to do.
At my previous job, it was even *more* trival, but, well, I don't have
access to those boxes any more. I don't support the gates-infested heaps
of shit either, so I guess all things considered, I'm better off, but I do
miss having a "universal translator" system at my command.
Dave "Did that headhunter contact you, by the way, David G. by name?" Hinz
Jeffrey Kaplan
was the result:
; Can't help with the HTML end of things, but I'll be happy to turn it into
; a .pdf file for you if you'd like. If you're going for a techie-type job,
; that may be enough of a "Hey, now *that* is interesting" kind of a hook to
; get folks to look at it. Let me know; it's trivial to do.
Nah. That would make it too locked down. I reserve the right to
fiddle with it as time goes on with minimal hassles.
; Dave "Did that headhunter contact you, by the way, David G. by name?" Hinz
What headhunter? There have been no headhunters here. Unless this
person managed to find my home phone number, called from the 817 area
code and then declined to leave a message while I was out yesterday.
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> I come with a serious question, so please hold the jokes until
later,
> if you can.
>
> I find myself in need of a low or no cost preferably freeware html
> editor for Windows. The last one I had hasn't been produced in
years
> and I cannot find it in my archives. Freeware is preferred,
> considering my current non-employment status, though I'm willing to
pay
> a nominal fee for good shareware. Cracked items are non-starters.
>
> What's prompting me to get one is that I want to put my resume
online
> as an html page. It's written in MS Word, which sux as an html
writer
> - it actually mangled the document when saved as html. So... I'm
> searching for a WYSIWYG html editor.
I use Notepad. It removes all temptation to use ridiculous formatting
techniques.
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alt.sex.ficus, but instead posted it to rec.humor.oracle.d:
> I find myself in need of a low or no cost preferably freeware html
> editor for Windows.
Notepad.
Well, I myself use Homesite4.5, which cost, I think, $45 when I got it.
Of course, that was before Macromedia bought them out, and I think
Homesite5.0 is over $100 right now. On the other hand, the WYSIWYG part
of Homesite sucks ass (then again, most WYSIWYG editors do), but
Homesite's particularly bad so if you're going graphical it's probably
not for you.
However, I would be more than happy to lend a hand and some coding if you
so require. Feel free to email me at steveo at steveospage if you don't
find a good program.
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dave...@spamcop.net
> was the result:
> ; Can't help with the HTML end of things, but I'll be happy to turn it into
> ; a .pdf file for you if you'd like. If you're going for a techie-type job,
> ; that may be enough of a "Hey, now *that* is interesting" kind of a hook to
> ; get folks to look at it. Let me know; it's trivial to do.
> Nah. That would make it too locked down. I reserve the right to
> fiddle with it as time goes on with minimal hassles.
Understood and appreciated. Email me if you're on a windows box, I have
another solution.
> ; Dave "Did that headhunter contact you, by the way, David G. by name?" Hinz
> What headhunter? There have been no headhunters here. Unless this
> person managed to find my home phone number, called from the 817 area
> code and then declined to leave a message while I was out yesterday.
Not sure of his area code, I gave him your publically advertized email address.
If he failed to contact you, I'm dissapointed in him. And, that sort of
thing sticks with me.
Have you talked to the folks at kforce.com?
Dave
Screwtape
>I come with a serious question, so please hold the jokes until later,
>if you can.
>
>I find myself in need of a low or no cost preferably freeware html
>editor for Windows. The last one I had hasn't been produced in years
>and I cannot find it in my archives. Freeware is preferred,
>considering my current non-employment status, though I'm willing to pay
>a nominal fee for good shareware. Cracked items are non-starters.
>
>What's prompting me to get one is that I want to put my resume online
>as an html page. It's written in MS Word, which sux as an html writer
>- it actually mangled the document when saved as html. So... I'm
>searching for a WYSIWYG html editor.
Ahh, the online resume.
I must say, I've never seen a really good WYSIWYG html editor, though
the Composer module of Mozilla is pretty reasonable.
For a peek at my own efforts of html-resumé-crafting, have a look at
this:
http://resume.jobnet.com.au/resume/1075295249.html
It looks remarkably like my original resumé in Word, and displays
nicely in any browser (yes, I checked with lynx :) Even better, when I
had to convert it into a Word document for submission to various
antiquated recruitment agencies, Word even imported most of the
formatting.
Screwtape,
...oh, if anyone has any suggestions for the improvement of my resumé,
I'd be glad to hear them. ;)
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Jeffrey Kaplan
result:
; Ahh, the online resume.
One of the sites I'm going to be using seems to prefer a link to an
online resume.
; I must say, I've never seen a really good WYSIWYG html editor, though
; the Composer module of Mozilla is pretty reasonable.
Well, how about an editor with a preview mode?
; For a peek at my own efforts of html-resumé-crafting, have a look at
; this:
; http://resume.jobnet.com.au/resume/1075295249.html
Did anyone else read the first entry in Education as "Bachelor of
Computer and Scientology"? No? Hmm... ok.
; It looks remarkably like my original resumé in Word, and displays
Kinda what I'm after, the same basic layout that I have with MS Word.
; had to convert it into a Word document for submission to various
; antiquated recruitment agencies, Word even imported most of the
; formatting.
Unfortunately, it's not working in the other direction very well. The
justification is hosed, and it all runs off the right edge of IE - with
no scrolling!
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Jeffrey Kaplan
was the result:
; > Nah. That would make it too locked down. I reserve the right to
; > fiddle with it as time goes on with minimal hassles.
;
; Understood and appreciated. Email me if you're on a windows box, I have
; another solution.
It's actually under my desk, not under my chair. Unless I'm using my
laptop and I drop it.
; > What headhunter? There have been no headhunters here. Unless this
; > person managed to find my home phone number, called from the 817 area
; > code and then declined to leave a message while I was out yesterday.
; Not sure of his area code, I gave him your publically advertized email address.
; If he failed to contact you, I'm dissapointed in him. And, that sort of
; thing sticks with me.
Don't be too disappointed in him. The market appears to be rather full
ATM, and my enthusiasm aside, I do know that there are more qualified
people out there looking.
; Have you talked to the folks at kforce.com?
Not yet. Looks like I need to translate my resume into a variety of
formats, including plain text.
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Quinn and Miles Vorkosigan [Lois McMaster Bujold, "Brother's in Arms"])
Jeffrey Kaplan
result:
; Notepad.
I don't know enough html myself to use a plain editor. If I did, I'd
use Textpad instead. :)
; Well, I myself use Homesite4.5, which cost, I think, $45 when I got it.
Small world. It was the original version of Homesite I was referring
to, before it was sold to Allair.
; However, I would be more than happy to lend a hand and some coding if you
; so require. Feel free to email me at steveo at steveospage if you don't
; find a good program.
I've downloaded a few off of Tucows, so we'll see.
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Screwtape
>result:
>
>; Ahh, the online resume.
>
>One of the sites I'm going to be using seems to prefer a link to an
>online resume.
>
>; I must say, I've never seen a really good WYSIWYG html editor, though
>; the Composer module of Mozilla is pretty reasonable.
>
>Well, how about an editor with a preview mode?
Mozilla's Composer (and therefore Netscape Composer) has that. In
fact, booting it up now, it has regular-WYSIWYG mode, WYSIWYG+tags
mode, pure source mode, and a preview mode.
>; For a peek at my own efforts of html-resumé-crafting, have a look at
>; this:
>; http://resume.jobnet.com.au/resume/1075295249.html
>
>Did anyone else read the first entry in Education as "Bachelor of
>Computer and Scientology"? No? Hmm... ok.
>
>; It looks remarkably like my original resumé in Word, and displays
>
>Kinda what I'm after, the same basic layout that I have with MS Word.
Feel free to copy.
>; had to convert it into a Word document for submission to various
>; antiquated recruitment agencies, Word even imported most of the
>; formatting.
>
>Unfortunately, it's not working in the other direction very well. The
>justification is hosed, and it all runs off the right edge of IE - with
>no scrolling!
Yes, well, maybe you could copy and paste the content instead of
trusting Word's export functionality. I've seen HTML as output by
Office, and it's a truly scary thing.
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dave...@spamcop.net
> was the result:
> ; If he failed to contact you, I'm dissapointed in him. And, that sort of
> ; thing sticks with me.
> Don't be too disappointed in him. The market appears to be rather full
> ATM, and my enthusiasm aside, I do know that there are more qualified
> people out there looking.
OK, I just didn't want you to think I had dropped the ball. This is
something that I take seriously, having recently been there and all.
> ; Have you talked to the folks at kforce.com?
> Not yet. Looks like I need to translate my resume into a variety of
> formats, including plain text.
Just remember, headhunters work *for you*. Use 'em. "Here's my resume,
what do I need to fix?", that sort of thing. It's their job.
You sure about Milwaukee not being in your area?
Dave
Ian Davis
s...@ferd2.thristian.org (Screwtape) wrote:
> For a peek at my own efforts of html-resumé-crafting, have a look at
> this:
> http://resume.jobnet.com.au/resume/[munged].html
Well, it certainly makes the stalkers' job easier when it's posted
like that.
> ...oh, if anyone has any suggestions for the improvement of my resumé,
> I'd be glad to hear them. ;)
Well, for a start, any document including the words "Thinking
Administration Systems" is suspect, to say the least.
Plus, I'm not sure how useful it is for a prospective employer to know
your predilection for specific extreme-violence computer games.
Ian.
The F&SF is a definite positive, though.
Jason
Yes, trying to hide it by saying things like "Vector Calculus",
"Networked Systems", and "Artificial Intelligence" just screams "I stay
up late at night yelling 'Ride my rocket!'".
Hetta
> Jeffrey Kaplan <rh...@gordol.org> wrote:
>
> > I find myself in need of a low or no cost preferably freeware html
> > editor for Windows.
>
> Notepad.
>
> Well, I myself use Homesite4.5, which cost, I think, $45 when I got it.
> Of course, that was before Macromedia bought them out, and I think
> Homesite5.0 is over $100 right now. On the other hand, the WYSIWYG part
> of Homesite sucks ass (then again, most WYSIWYG editors do), but
> Homesite's particularly bad so if you're going graphical it's probably
> not for you.
I use Frontpage Express, which came free with one or the other Win installation
(check the resource folder on the CD, it might be there); and Adobe Pagemill
3.0, which came free with one or the other piece of hardware. One can handle
forms, the other can handle frames. One does one page at a time, the other can
load the whole site and tell me where I have broken internal links. Together
they're almost a good wysiwyg editor.
I have Frontpage 2.0 too, somewhere, but my oh my, what a piece of bloatware.
Slow, trudging, AND if you say "fsck it, I can't wait the whole day for this
program to load my site - CANCEL!" it deletes the complete off-line copy of
whatever it is you wanted it to load in the first place. That's not what I
expect html editors to do, so in retaliation, I deleted FP.
Adobe Pagemill beats it hands down on all counts. Dunno how expensive FP was,
but my, was that ever a waste of money.
Cheers
Hetta
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Ian Davis
Jason <jbea...@shadowknife.com> wrote:
> > Plus, I'm not sure how useful it is for a prospective employer to know
> > your predilection for specific extreme-violence computer games.
>
> Yes, trying to hide it by saying things like "Vector Calculus",
> "Networked Systems", and "Artificial Intelligence" just screams "I stay
> up late at night yelling 'Ride my rocket!'".
Once again, you have summarized my argument cogently and succinctly.
I thank you.
Ian.
Barry
rh...@gordol.org says...
> I come with a serious question, so please hold the jokes until later,
> if you can.
>
> I find myself in need of a low or no cost preferably freeware html
> editor for Windows. The last one I had hasn't been produced in years
> and I cannot find it in my archives. Freeware is preferred,
> considering my current non-employment status, though I'm willing to pay
> a nominal fee for good shareware. Cracked items are non-starters.
>
> What's prompting me to get one is that I want to put my resume online
> as an html page. It's written in MS Word, which sux as an html writer
> - it actually mangled the document when saved as html. So... I'm
> searching for a WYSIWYG html editor.
1st Page 2000 from http://www.evrsoft.com is worth investigating. Free
and with features such as spelling and syntax checking, split screen
live page preview, html compression, yadda yadda...
Barry
sjc
>I come with a serious question, so please hold the jokes until later,
>if you can.
Sorry, but I need to see/deliver a joke every hour or my brain gives up
and dies. Again.
>I find myself in need of a low or no cost preferably freeware html
>editor for Windows.
Barry's mentioned Evrsoft's 1stPage; that's my personal favourite.
Notepad is nice if you don't want any extras, and there's TextPad
(http://www.textpad.com/), essentially a better version of NotePad, but
it costs a little bit.
>The last one I had hasn't been produced in years and I cannot find
>it in my archives.
Ah, it probably wouldn't run on your current system anyway. At least,
that's the case with games. Why can't I run my Space Quest II anymore, I
ask you? Granted, I've finished it five times, but I love playing
through it, even if just for the jokes.
Space Quest III still works, thank goodness. For now, anyway.
>Freeware is preferred, considering my current non-employment status,
>though I'm willing to pay a nominal fee for good shareware. Cracked
>items are non-starters.
[Hides a warez site behind his back and whistles innocently]
>What's prompting me to get one is that I want to put my resume online
>as an html page.
<html>
<body>
<h1>This is my resume.</h1>
<dl>
<dt>First job</dt>
<dd>I honestly don't remember what this was, but I spent a lot of time
on the computer posting to rhod. Boss found out, and I was fired.</dd>
<dt>Second job</dt>
<dd>With that black mark on my resume, I could only find work in areas
without usenet access. Eventually I broke down and fashioned a Timex
Sinclar out of spare parts to catch up on all the posts. Rather than
praise my ingenuity, my boss laid me off. Something about not making
sure some "building" was "structurally sound."</dd>
<dt>Third job</dt>
<dd>Gave copious amount in bribes to land job as BOFH of local internet
startup. Stock hit a hundred bucks a share, but I held out until it hit
two cents per. Claimed bankrupcy and returned to work with a
shotgun.</dd>
<dt>Intermission</dt>
<dd>Took a small break from all forms of work to recover from the tear
gas. Those SWAT guys just don't know when to quit.</dd>
</dl>
<p>I have great experience in hardware, software, Perl, *nix
administration, hard labour, and small-arms revolutionary movements.
Easily adaptable and willing to learn new things, including free
application of incendiary devices. Available for work shifts of 9-5,
flexible hours, starting salary of fifty thousand a year minimum.
Credentials and parole record available upon request.</p>
</body>
</html>
>It's written in MS Word, which sux as an html writer
>- it actually mangled the document when saved as html.
Yup; microsoft is famous for that sort of thing.
>So... I'm searching for a WYSIWYG html editor.
Sorry, but there's no such thing. There's "What You See Is Almost What
You Get", "What You See Is Nowhere Close To What You Get", and, by far
the most popular, "What You See Is What It Looks Like In Your Browser,
But Not In Anyone Else's." My advice is that you learn HTML (it's easy;
really. If I can learn in less than a day, so can you) and build a page
or two from scratch in a simple text editor. After you're done learning
HTML, you can graduate to Cascading Style Sheets to deliver some real
panache, but for a resume that's not really necessary.
You can start here: http://www.w3.org
And you can validate your markup here:
http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/
The HTML reference book I use (though it is slightly outdated):
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565925793
The CSS reference book I use:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596001207
And of course there's always alt.html, where I stop in from time to
time. Grep for a guy who uses a handle of "brucie"; he's got some great
links.
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Screwtape
>The HTML reference book I use (though it is slightly outdated):
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565925793
>The CSS reference book I use:
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596001207
I must say, when I'm using mozilla [2], I'm a big fan of the HTML4
and CSS2 sidebar references, available here:
http://developer.netscape.com/evangelism/sidebar
Screwtape,
...mozilla shill.
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Jeffrey Kaplan
was the result:
; OK, I just didn't want you to think I had dropped the ball. This is
; something that I take seriously, having recently been there and all.
Not a problem.
; > Not yet. Looks like I need to translate my resume into a variety of
; > formats, including plain text.
; Just remember, headhunters work *for you*. Use 'em. "Here's my resume,
; what do I need to fix?", that sort of thing. It's their job.
Right.
; You sure about Milwaukee not being in your area?
Reasonably. Why? You know of a fantastic job there with my name on
it? It would have to be a fantastic job for me to relocate.
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they went voluntarily." (Capt. Sheridan and Cmdr. Ivanova, B5 "Ship Of
Tears")
Tom Harrington
Jeffrey Kaplan <rh...@gordol.org> wrote:
> I come with a serious question, so please hold the jokes until later,
> if you can.
>
> I find myself in need of a low or no cost preferably freeware html
> editor for Windows. The last one I had hasn't been produced in years
> and I cannot find it in my archives. Freeware is preferred,
> considering my current non-employment status, though I'm willing to pay
> a nominal fee for good shareware. Cracked items are non-starters.
Not being a Windows user I can't be _too_ specific. But I'd suggest at
least considering Mozilla for light-duty HTML design.
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well, how did I get here?"
-- Talking Heads
Jeffrey Kaplan
; I use Frontpage Express, which came free with one or the other Win installation
Frontpage of any version will only be used if a job requires it. There
are lots of editors out there, and more than a few are probably better
than MS'.
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Jeffrey Kaplan
; 1st Page 2000 from http://www.evrsoft.com is worth investigating. Free
; and with features such as spelling and syntax checking, split screen
; live page preview, html compression, yadda yadda...
Ok, I just downloaded it.
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Brantley Hudson
> Can't help with the HTML end of things, but I'll be happy to turn it into
> a .pdf file for you if you'd like. If you're going for a techie-type job,
> that may be enough of a "Hey, now *that* is interesting" kind of a hook to
> get folks to look at it. Let me know; it's trivial to do.
>
> At my previous job, it was even *more* trival, but, well, I don't have
> access to those boxes any more. I don't support the gates-infested heaps
> of shit either, so I guess all things considered, I'm better off, but I do
> miss having a "universal translator" system at my command.
Pardon the jingo-ism, but on this topic, HP makes a cool little
device (appliance) that plugs into your network. You put your
printed document in, scan it, and give an email address. *Poof*
That email address now has recieved a PDF. Way cool, IMO.
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Chuck Linsley
Screwtape <screwtapeS...@froup.com> wrote:
[snip]
>Yes, well, maybe you could copy and paste the content instead of
>trusting Word's export functionality. I've seen HTML as output by
>Office, and it's a truly scary thing.
Indeed. One particular project, I wrote the document in Word, saved
it as text, then ran the text through a Perl script to HTML-ize it.
I think I started doing this before Word could save directly to
HTML, but now that it can, I would still do it this way.
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s/dot/./g;
print;
0;
Chuck Linsley
I disagree. Almost all my "extras" were done with NotePad, WordPad or
vi. These are among the most flexible HTML editors available, and
support *all* features of all versions of HTML, XML, SGML, VRML.
Ok, so they're a little weak in the area of previewing. That's what
browsers are for.
>>So... I'm searching for a WYSIWYG html editor.
>
>Sorry, but there's no such thing. There's "What You See Is Almost What
>You Get", "What You See Is Nowhere Close To What You Get", and, by far
>the most popular, "What You See Is What It Looks Like In Your Browser,
>But Not In Anyone Else's."
That's what I keep trying to tell my wife when she wants me to work on
her web site. But she insists I format the text so the line breaks
look just right in her browser, nevermind that it will have really
stupid-looking breaks if somebody else's window isn't the same size
as hers. Then, when she's not looking, I do it right.
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echo linsleyatlinsleydotbestdotvwhdotnet | perl -p -e 's/at/@/; s/dot/./g;'
Chuck Linsley
Screwtape <screwtapeS...@froup.com> wrote:
>m_init(): spawning followupTo('sjc')...done.
>>The HTML reference book I use (though it is slightly outdated):
>>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565925793
>>The CSS reference book I use:
>>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596001207
>
>I must say, when I'm using mozilla [2], I'm a big fan of the HTML4
>and CSS2 sidebar references, available here:
>
> http://developer.netscape.com/evangelism/sidebar
>
>Screwtape,
>...mozilla shill.
Interesting. Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to preview
them in Netscape 4.7. (Netscape says the previews should work
in any standards compliant browser. What does that say about
4.7??)
I may well use these when I someday get around to upgrading to
Mozilla. In the mean time, I just keep these two bookmarks
handy:
http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/css/
http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/
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sjc
>In article <ue8gjus9mvq37jdu3...@4ax.com>,
>sjc <sp...@pieceoftheuniverse.com> wrote:
>>Jeffrey Kaplan spelled this out in the alphabet soup:
>>Notepad is nice if you don't want any extras, and there's TextPad
>
>I disagree. Almost all my "extras" were done with NotePad, WordPad or
>vi. These are among the most flexible HTML editors available, and
>support *all* features of all versions of HTML, XML, SGML, VRML.
>Ok, so they're a little weak in the area of previewing. That's what
>browsers are for.
Actually, by "extras", I meant text colours to indicate opening and
closing tags, to differentiate between comments and the rest of the
markup, to separate <script> from <style>, one-click tag additions, etc.
Notepad doesn't care, TextPad can be configured to (and 1st Page is
automatic). You can do anything in HTML/CSS with any text editor,
naturally.
I'm just tired, so I didn't make the distinction. It's been a long week.
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Matisse
Chuck Linsley
sjc <sp...@pieceoftheuniverse.com> wrote:
>Chuck Linsley spelled this out in the alphabet soup:
>>In article <ue8gjus9mvq37jdu3...@4ax.com>,
>>sjc <sp...@pieceoftheuniverse.com> wrote:
>>>Jeffrey Kaplan spelled this out in the alphabet soup:
>>>Notepad is nice if you don't want any extras, and there's TextPad
>>
>>I disagree. Almost all my "extras" were done with NotePad, WordPad or
>>vi. These are among the most flexible HTML editors available, and
>>support *all* features of all versions of HTML, XML, SGML, VRML.
>>Ok, so they're a little weak in the area of previewing. That's what
>>browsers are for.
>
>Actually, by "extras", I meant text colours to indicate opening and
>closing tags, to differentiate between comments and the rest of the
>markup, to separate <script> from <style>, one-click tag additions, etc.
>Notepad doesn't care, TextPad can be configured to (and 1st Page is
>automatic). You can do anything in HTML/CSS with any text editor,
>naturally.
Oh, ok. I'm sure there must be an emacs thingy that will do that.
1st Page sounds interesting. I'm going to check it out.
Chuck Linsley
Screwtape <screwtapeS...@froup.com> wrote:
>For a peek at my own efforts of html-resumé-crafting, have a look at
>this:
> http://resume.jobnet.com.au/resume/1075295249.html
>
>It looks remarkably like my original resumé in Word, and displays
>nicely in any browser (yes, I checked with lynx :) Even better, when I
Alas, it does not display correctly in Netscape 4.7. 2nd level headings
appear as black text on a black background -- completely unreadable.
sjc
>Screwtape <screwtapeS...@froup.com> wrote:
>>For a peek at my own efforts of html-resumé-crafting, have a look at
>>this:
>> http://resume.jobnet.com.au/resume/1075295249.html
>>
>>It looks remarkably like my original resumé in Word, and displays
>>nicely in any browser (yes, I checked with lynx :)
>
>appear as black text on a black background -- completely unreadable.
That's because he did something odd with his CSS:
h2 {
background-color: WindowText;
color: Window;
margin-bottom: 0;
page-break-after: avoid;
}
Whereas I would probably do something more like:
h2 {
background-color: black;
color: white;
}
... only with hex colours, but i'm too lazy to remember them right now.
And I probably wouldn't choose straight black; maybe a light grey with
black text.
Anywho, according to my CSS spec book "WindowText" isn't w3c markup;
it's some kind of weird IE thing. Bad Screwtape, bad! [hits screen with
rolled-up newspaper]
Oh, and Screwtape: I can't find what you did,(or rather, what jobnet.com
did) but somehow you've blocked my ability to view source easily on your
page. But I got it anyway. >:)
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out what they want and then advise them to do it." - Harry Truman
Screwtape
>>In article <slrnajf0...@ferd2.thristian.org>,
>>Screwtape <screwtapeS...@froup.com> wrote:
>>>For a peek at my own efforts of html-resumé-crafting, have a look at
>>>this:
>>> http://resume.jobnet.com.au/resume/1075295249.html
>>>
>>>It looks remarkably like my original resumé in Word, and displays
>>>nicely in any browser (yes, I checked with lynx :)
>>
>>Alas, it does not display correctly in Netscape 4.7. 2nd level headings
>>appear as black text on a black background -- completely unreadable.
Ah, well then. :(
/me grumbles something about Netscape 4.
>That's because he did something odd with his CSS:
> h2 {
> background-color: WindowText;
> color: Window;
> margin-bottom: 0;
> page-break-after: avoid;
> }
>
>Whereas I would probably do something more like:
> h2 {
> background-color: black;
> color: white;
> }
>... only with hex colours, but i'm too lazy to remember them right now.
Why? "black" and "white" are perfectly valid CSS colours.
>And I probably wouldn't choose straight black; maybe a light grey with
>black text.
I was figuring on a black-and-white printer. My original version had
white text on a deliciously dark red background.
>Anywho, according to my CSS spec book "WindowText" isn't w3c markup;
>it's some kind of weird IE thing. Bad Screwtape, bad! [hits screen with
>rolled-up newspaper]
Au contraire: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/ui.html#system-colors
Does your book only support CSS 1?
>Oh, and Screwtape: I can't find what you did,(or rather, what jobnet.com
>did) but somehow you've blocked my ability to view source easily on your
>page.
Really? How odd - I never intended for such to happen.
>But I got it anyway. >:)
Yay wget! :)
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|
Jeffrey Kaplan
result:
; What's prompting me to get one is that I want to put my resume online
; as an html page. It's written in MS Word, which sux as an html writer
; - it actually mangled the document when saved as html. So... I'm
; searching for a WYSIWYG html editor.
Ok, first draft is up. Draft of stylistics, not content. I'm
satisfied with the content. Address in my sig, click on the obvious
link.
Tanks muchly.
--
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The from userid is killfiled <*> Send personal mail to gordol
"The past tempts us, the present confuses us, and the future frightens
us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast,
terrible in between." (Emperor Turhan, B5 "The Coming of Shadows")
Screwtape
>result:
>
>; What's prompting me to get one is that I want to put my resume online
>; as an html page. It's written in MS Word, which sux as an html writer
>; - it actually mangled the document when saved as html. So... I'm
>; searching for a WYSIWYG html editor.
>
>Ok, first draft is up. Draft of stylistics, not content. I'm
>satisfied with the content. Address in my sig, click on the obvious
>link.
Oh, you *chose* to use Courier New. I see. And various other fonts by
name. And no CSS. Oh well.
Mind you, apart from the subtly jarring effect of Courier New, it
looks nice on the screen, so it can't be all bad.
I'm also impressed to know that a resume should have extreme low
detail. Nobody really ever pointed that out to me before. :(
>Tanks muchly.
's oK.
Screwtape,
...scurrying off to change his own.
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|
| This empty tagline? It's where my conversation piece used to be.
|
Jeffrey Kaplan
result:
; Oh, you *chose* to use Courier New. I see. And various other fonts by
Um, yes. I prefer Courier New over Times New Roman, for one thing.
For another, I tried it without specifying fonts, and it didn't look
good to me.
; name. And no CSS. Oh well.
I don't know CSS, and if it requires server action to make it work, I
can't use it anyway.
; Mind you, apart from the subtly jarring effect of Courier New, it
; looks nice on the screen, so it can't be all bad.
Thanks, I think.
; I'm also impressed to know that a resume should have extreme low
; detail. Nobody really ever pointed that out to me before. :(
The idea is to scrunch it down to one printed page. That resume, as it
exists in MS Word, is one printed page. As old info gets older, you
can omit details, leaving only the highlights. 15 years ago, the
education entry had lots of detail, because it was current, more
relevant, and about all I had.
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"We've had to hire more security personnel to keep things calm, make
sure the wrong type of people don't get on board. But without our
resources back home for background checks, we have to assume there will
be lapses." (Cmdr. Ivanova, B5 "Interludes And Examinations")
Screwtape
>result:
>
>; Oh, you *chose* to use Courier New. I see. And various other fonts by
>
>Um, yes. I prefer Courier New over Times New Roman, for one thing.
But it's *monospaced!* And it looks like a *typewriter!*
Unstated assumption: both of these are bad attributes.
>For another, I tried it without specifying fonts, and it didn't look
>good to me.
Well, there's always a chance that the person viewing the page has
default fonts that actually look good (Hello, OmniWeb!).
>; name. And no CSS. Oh well.
>
>I don't know CSS, and if it requires server action to make it work, I
>can't use it anyway.
No, CSS is the bit in between "<style>" and "</style>" on my resume
page, and it no more requires server action than javascript or images
require server action.
>; Mind you, apart from the subtly jarring effect of Courier New, it
>; looks nice on the screen, so it can't be all bad.
>
>Thanks, I think.
No really, I like the colour scheme and the layout - I'd not have
thought of having the headings on the left-hand side like that.
>; I'm also impressed to know that a resume should have extreme low
>; detail. Nobody really ever pointed that out to me before. :(
>
>The idea is to scrunch it down to one printed page. That resume, as it
>exists in MS Word, is one printed page. As old info gets older, you
>can omit details, leaving only the highlights. 15 years ago, the
>education entry had lots of detail, because it was current, more
>relevant, and about all I had.
/me ponders.
Thanks. I'll give it a try.
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|
Jeffrey Kaplan
result:
; Well, there's always a chance that the person viewing the page has
; default fonts that actually look good (Hello, OmniWeb!).
Thing is, I do have default fonts set in my browser that I do like in
general. Just not for this specific item.
; No, CSS is the bit in between "<style>" and "</style>" on my resume
; page, and it no more requires server action than javascript or images
; require server action.
Ok, I'll look into it. Though, I do have to wonder what CSS can do
that just specifying elements in the basic html of the page can't. I
also doubt you can use CSS when pasting the html version of the page
into job board's "submit your resume here" boxes.
; No really, I like the colour scheme and the layout - I'd not have
; thought of having the headings on the left-hand side like that.
I'd have not thought of having them as their own row. That's be a good
way to save space the next time my resume threatens to over-run a
single page by a paragraph.
; Thanks. I'll give it a try.
You're welcome.
--
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"We'll be back this way again. One way or another we will finish this."
(Capt. Sheridan, B5 "Messages From Earth")
Screwtape
>result:
>
>; Well, there's always a chance that the person viewing the page has
>; default fonts that actually look good (Hello, OmniWeb!).
>
>Thing is, I do have default fonts set in my browser that I do like in
>general. Just not for this specific item.
Oh, well.
>; No, CSS is the bit in between "<style>" and "</style>" on my resume
>; page, and it no more requires server action than javascript or images
>; require server action.
>
>Ok, I'll look into it. Though, I do have to wonder what CSS can do
>that just specifying elements in the basic html of the page can't.
Basically, it makes future editing easy. If you look at the source of
my resume, there's no font-tags anywhere in the document. If I want a
new heading, I just say <h2> and all the right spacing, colours,
font-sizes and so forth automatically happen - I don't have to go peek
at a previous heading I did and copy the styles manually.
Also, there's some neat effects you can do with CSS (and a compliant
browser) that you just can't do with adding tags to the page. If
you've got Mozilla 1.0, you've probably seen some cool CSS tricks on
the Demos page. Even with a mostly-compliant browser (like IE for
Windows), CSS is useful.
>I also doubt you can use CSS when pasting the html version of the
>page into job board's "submit your resume here" boxes.
I dunno - it worked fine for me.
>; No really, I like the colour scheme and the layout - I'd not have
>; thought of having the headings on the left-hand side like that.
>
>I'd have not thought of having them as their own row. That's be a good
>way to save space the next time my resume threatens to over-run a
>single page by a paragraph.
>
>; Thanks. I'll give it a try.
>
>You're welcome.
Any time.
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|
TechnoAtheist
suits claiming to be Jeffrey Kaplan <rh...@gordol.org> wrote:
>Jeffrey Kaplan cast electrons into the ether, and the following was the
>result:
>
>; What's prompting me to get one is that I want to put my resume online
>; as an html page. It's written in MS Word, which sux as an html writer
>; - it actually mangled the document when saved as html. So... I'm
>; searching for a WYSIWYG html editor.
>
>Ok, first draft is up. Draft of stylistics, not content. I'm
>satisfied with the content. Address in my sig, click on the obvious
>link.
>
>Tanks muchly.
<serious>
Considering the number of resumes that float by my desk, Can I offer a
few quick things about them?
1. Folks reading resumes will give yours around five seconds to
review. Style really doesn't mean much, except in one regard. It has
to print cleanly. I understand wanting to keep your link directory up,
but have a version that someone can just send to the printer.
2. State exactly what your interests are. I'll often craft my resume
to fit the potential job offering, and skip the cover letter
completely.
3. If you list anything on your resume, be sure you can back it up. I
can't tell you how many folks list things as being Strong or
Proficient but cannot answer simple questions about it. (Frankly, I
now understand why the tech bubble burst. It consisted mostly of hot
air.)
Now:
Your format is good, but I'd get rid of the style thing entirely. Keep
it simple. In fact, most resumes are entered into automated databases
and ALL styling is lost.
Stick to at most three fonts, and the most classic format you can.
e.g. http://www.unitedheroes.net/misc/jkaplan.html
(oh, and make sure you don't cross the tags, Ray ;) )
It's not showy, but it works. I took the liberty of spamblocking your
email address, (Spambots are amazingly stupid some times), but you may
want to think about setting up a dedicated email address for this
(like jeffery_kaplan so that you can blackhole the spam later if need
be)
As for a WYSIWIG editor, I prefer Dreamweaver, but it ain't free. If
you go the free route, I recommend a text editor, a weblint program
and the browser of choice.
I also don't recommend PDF/Word or any other proprietary format that
someone needs an extra reader for. They make for pretty documents, but
they don't make things easy to mail around to folks on different
platforms. (Since I'm one of the only guys that actually runs NT as
their unix client, guess who had to print off all the resumes that
came in as Word Documents? I didn't print off a fair number of them
because I was busy. Their loss.)
Anyway, good luck, and stay focused and positive.
</serious>
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Hetta
> ; What's prompting me to get one is that I want to put my resume online
> ; as an html page. It's written in MS Word, which sux as an html writer
> ; - it actually mangled the document when saved as html. So... I'm
> ; searching for a WYSIWYG html editor.
>
> Ok, first draft is up. Draft of stylistics, not content. I'm
> satisfied with the content. Address in my sig, click on the obvious
> link.
Something missing in the table, if there is a table... NS 4.7 shows just a blank
page, after the Jeffrey Kaplan bit at the top.
Jeffrey Kaplan
result:
; >Ok, I'll look into it. Though, I do have to wonder what CSS can do
; >that just specifying elements in the basic html of the page can't.
; Basically, it makes future editing easy. If you look at the source of
; my resume, there's no font-tags anywhere in the document. If I want a
; new heading, I just say <h2> and all the right spacing, colours,
; font-sizes and so forth automatically happen - I don't have to go peek
; at a previous heading I did and copy the styles manually.
That is nice. I did wind up having to use copy/paste a lot to get the
nested tables right. :)
Ok, from what I remember of basic HTML, <h2> is "Header 2", which has a
predefined size. Using CSS overrides that, I presume? Nah, don't tell
me, I'll look it up when I get around to looking into CSS, etc.
; Also, there's some neat effects you can do with CSS (and a compliant
; browser) that you just can't do with adding tags to the page. If
; you've got Mozilla 1.0, you've probably seen some cool CSS tricks on
Nope, I do not have Mozilla. I'm still so anti-Netscape that it spills
over.
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"I can feel your heart Delenn. I can hold it here in my hand. I can
close my fist around it. Do you feel your heart Delenn? Feel it
slowing, slowing? I can stop it another inch and I will." (Sebastian,
B5 "Comes The Inquisitor")
Screwtape
>; browser) that you just can't do with adding tags to the page. If
>; you've got Mozilla 1.0, you've probably seen some cool CSS tricks on
>
>Nope, I do not have Mozilla. I'm still so anti-Netscape that it spills
>over.
Well, last time you said "I'm not going to install Mozilla because it
hasn't hit 1.0 yet", I idly wondered if curiosity had gotten the
better of you. Anyway, the important part is not the Netscape UI, but
just Mozilla's rendering engine. Any program that uses it should be
fine, like for example http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/
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result:
; <serious>
; Considering the number of resumes that float by my desk, Can I offer a
; few quick things about them?
Sure.
; 1. Folks reading resumes will give yours around five seconds to
If those five seconds is all it takes to decide...
; review. Style really doesn't mean much, except in one regard. It has
; to print cleanly. I understand wanting to keep your link directory up,
; but have a version that someone can just send to the printer.
Ok, for people just surfing, the way I have it set up, linked off of
the TOC panel, it's fine. The job boards get the direct URL that
bypasses the frameset that composes the index.html file.
www.gordol.org/resume.html is the direct, full-window URL.
; 2. State exactly what your interests are. I'll often craft my resume
; to fit the potential job offering, and skip the cover letter
; completely.
For print-out versions, yeah. But how to do that for an online version
without a) keeping a zillion copies or b) messing with one that's up
for a specific prospect?
I'd rather have a baseline resume and then customize the cover letter.
If you have pointers on how to reverse that with the above
considerations, I'll listen.
; 3. If you list anything on your resume, be sure you can back it up. I
; can't tell you how many folks list things as being Strong or
; Proficient but cannot answer simple questions about it. (Frankly, I
; now understand why the tech bubble burst. It consisted mostly of hot
; air.)
If anything, I tend to understate what I can do. Granted, there is no
way for a prospective employer to know that just by looking at my
resume.
; Your format is good, but I'd get rid of the style thing entirely. Keep
; it simple. In fact, most resumes are entered into automated databases
; and ALL styling is lost.
;
; Stick to at most three fonts, and the most classic format you can.
I am only specifying three fonts: Impact, Courier New and Arial. Is
the format not classic? The basic format is more or less what I've
been using for the past 15 or so years. When I put it into MS Word
mumble years ago, when I started using a word processor, I chose a
template that had the same basic format as what I had been using
before. The web version really only has one difference: The headings
are in shaded table cells that run the length of the section. In MS
Word, only the word itself is in a shaded block.
(Hmm... I seem to be defending my choice of style...)
; e.g. http://www.unitedheroes.net/misc/jkaplan.html
; (oh, and make sure you don't cross the tags, Ray ;) )
I'm not Ray, so it's OK. :)
; It's not showy, but it works. I took the liberty of spamblocking your
; email address, (Spambots are amazingly stupid some times), but you may
; want to think about setting up a dedicated email address for this
; (like jeffery_kaplan so that you can blackhole the spam later if need
; be)
Duh, right. Now, somewhere around here, if I still have it, is a
javascript to munge emails so that the complete string is only written
by the browser at render-time... where did I put it...
; As for a WYSIWIG editor, I prefer Dreamweaver, but it ain't free. If
; you go the free route, I recommend a text editor, a weblint program
; and the browser of choice.
I've decided against the WYSIWYG and am going for an editor with a live
or on-demand preview, one that doesn't actually require saving the
in-progress document to a temp file in order to view.
; I also don't recommend PDF/Word or any other proprietary format that
; someone needs an extra reader for. They make for pretty documents, but
; they don't make things easy to mail around to folks on different
; platforms. (Since I'm one of the only guys that actually runs NT as
PDF by design is platform independent. Hell, there's even a couple PDF
viewers/converters for PalmOS (they suck, but they exist). Whether or
not you have a viewer for it is another matter entirely.
As for Word, it's so friggin' common that all of the UNIX/Linux office
suites that I know of can read Word files. Ok, it won't render in Vi
or Emacs, but it will in StarOffice and Corel.
; their unix client, guess who had to print off all the resumes that
; came in as Word Documents? I didn't print off a fair number of them
; because I was busy. Their loss.)
If I was the HR person who asked you to print the resumes, I'd be
rather upset with you. It doesn't take that long to spool print jobs.
Right-click on file, select PRINT. Repeat for next file. Or select
multiple files, right-click and select PRINT. Spooled off in less than
5 minutes.
; Anyway, good luck, and stay focused and positive.
Well, I got a sort-of nibble today. Someone at a Citigroup subsidiary
trolling through Hotjobs sent me an invite to a corporate open
house/overview thing this week. Now, to my knowledge, nothing in my
resume indicates I know anything about finances, so I +hope+ it's for
an internal IT position of some kind... I'm going, I certainly have
nothing to loose.
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beginning." (Cmdr. Ivanova and Marcus Cole, B5 "Matters Of Honor")
Jeffrey Kaplan
; > Ok, first draft is up. Draft of stylistics, not content. I'm
; > satisfied with the content. Address in my sig, click on the obvious
; > link.
;
; Something missing in the table, if there is a table... NS 4.7 shows just a blank
; page, after the Jeffrey Kaplan bit at the top.
Inneresting. You're the only one so far to say that. It's actually a
set of nested tables.
(/me goes and looks...)
And you're right! I was missing a set of closing tags. Does it show
now?
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Teh (tî'pô)
to the nipples of rec.humor.oracle.d by saying:
>
>Not yet. Looks like I need to translate my resume into a variety of
>formats, including plain text.
Forget about plain text, it's next to impossible to get a decent
editor for *that* Ghod forsaken format!
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Screwtape
>Jeffrey Kaplan bravely attempted to attach 37 electrodes of knowledge
>to the nipples of rec.humor.oracle.d by saying:
>>
>>Not yet. Looks like I need to translate my resume into a variety of
>>formats, including plain text.
>
>Forget about plain text, it's next to impossible to get a decent
>editor for *that* Ghod forsaken format!
I've heard some positive reports about some new product called EDLIN,
might be what you're looking for.
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Teh (tî'pô)
the nipples of rec.humor.oracle.d by saying:
>I'd be glad to hear them. ;)
You could add that you proved that P == NP and debunked Goldbach's
conjecture.
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dave...@spamcop.net
> Jeffrey Kaplan bravely attempted to attach 37 electrodes of knowledge
> to the nipples of rec.humor.oracle.d by saying:
>>
>>Not yet. Looks like I need to translate my resume into a variety of
>>formats, including plain text.
> Forget about plain text, it's next to impossible to get a decent
> editor for *that* Ghod forsaken format!
What, does 'vi' not exist in your computing environment?
Dave "First question I ask someone I'm interviewing. Seriously." Hinz
Al Sharka
>
> What, does 'vi' not exist in your computing environment?
>
> Dave "First question I ask someone I'm interviewing. Seriously."
> Hinz
Actually, the first one I ask is "vi or emacs" and let them
hang themselves.
The second one is "What shell do you prefer for scripting and why?"
sjc
>m_init(): spawning followupTo('sjc')...done.
>> h2 {
>> background-color: black;
>> color: white;
>> }
>>... only with hex colours, but i'm too lazy to remember them right now.
>
>Why? "black" and "white" are perfectly valid CSS colours.
That's as may as well be, but if you take a look at the specs for CSS,
colour names are only *suggested*, not required. Thus there's a very
good possibility that there's a browser out there that won't know what
you're talking about.
Hex is always accepted.
>>And I probably wouldn't choose straight black; maybe a light grey with
>>black text.
>
>I was figuring on a black-and-white printer. My original version had
>white text on a deliciously dark red background.
True enough, but white-on-black doesn't print as pretty. Maybe you could
do an underline/overline of some sort instead?
>>Anywho, according to my CSS spec book "WindowText" isn't w3c markup;
>>it's some kind of weird IE thing. Bad Screwtape, bad! [hits screen with
>>rolled-up newspaper]
>
>Au contraire: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/ui.html#system-colors
>
>Does your book only support CSS 1?
Yes. CSS2 has only marginal support in most browsers (in fact, I'm
surprised IE 5.5 didn't balk and go nuts). CSS1 took about five years
before being commonly accepted; I expect the same for CSS2 and CSS3.
When five years passes in *their* lifespan, I'll gladly upgrade my
books.
That's why Netscrape 4.7 didn't like your page, by the way: it has
minimal support for CSS1, and CSS2 was barely a glint in w3c's eye. With
Netscape 6 (and soon 7) out and about, that isn't much of a worry, but
corps are notorious for keeping old tech for no good reason.
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dave...@spamcop.net
> dave...@spamcop.net wrote:
>>
>> Dave "First question I ask someone I'm interviewing. Seriously."
>> Hinz
> Actually, the first one I ask is "vi or emacs" and let them
> hang themselves.
Yes, that was the question. Not going into it here, though. Religious
wars (especially with the unwashed heathens who perfer emacs) are
best avoided in a forum such as this one.
> The second one is "What shell do you prefer for scripting and why?"
Extra points for "use strict", I assume?
Dave "Why yes, I *do* have some strong opinions." Hinz
Al Sharka
> Al Sharka
>
>> The second one is "What shell do you prefer for scripting and
>> why?"
>
> Extra points for "use strict", I assume?
Ha! It was a trick question. Perl isn't a shell.
> Dave "Why yes, I *do* have some strong opinions." Hinz
You're planning those now that SOTU is collecting them,
aren't you.
Screwtape
>Screwtape spelled this out in the alphabet soup:
>>m_init(): spawning followupTo('sjc')...done.
>>>I would probably do something more like:
>>> h2 {
>>> background-color: black;
>>> color: white;
>>> }
>>>... only with hex colours, but i'm too lazy to remember them right now.
>>
>>Why? "black" and "white" are perfectly valid CSS colours.
>
>That's as may as well be, but if you take a look at the specs for CSS,
>colour names are only *suggested*, not required.
>
>Thus there's a very good possibility that there's a browser out there
>that won't know what you're talking about.
The CSS2 spec says CSS colours are just the HTML4 colours.
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/types.html#h-6.5 lists the colour names,
but doesn't say they're optional.
HTML 3.2 (http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html32#dtd) mentions them too, but
says the actual colours are implementation dependant.
Presumably, then, most browsers written after 1996 should get them
right.
>Hex is always accepted.
Well, true.
>>>And I probably wouldn't choose straight black; maybe a light grey with
>>>black text.
>>
>>I was figuring on a black-and-white printer. My original version had
>>white text on a deliciously dark red background.
>
>True enough, but white-on-black doesn't print as pretty. Maybe you could
>do an underline/overline of some sort instead?
I already have an underline, for <h3>. I might go with the grey
background...
>>>Anywho, according to my CSS spec book "WindowText" isn't w3c markup;
>>>it's some kind of weird IE thing. Bad Screwtape, bad! [hits screen with
>>>rolled-up newspaper]
>>
>>Au contraire: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/ui.html#system-colors
>>
>>Does your book only support CSS 1?
>
>Yes. CSS2 has only marginal support in most browsers (in fact, I'm
>surprised IE 5.5 didn't balk and go nuts).
I'd be surprised if IE didn't support them - the system-colour spec,
like the mouse-cursor spec and various other "user interface"
extensions to CSS are based almost exclusively on Windows' way of
doing things.
>CSS1 took about five years before being commonly accepted; I expect
>the same for CSS2 and CSS3. When five years passes in *their*
>lifespan, I'll gladly upgrade my books.
Ah, well.
>That's why Netscrape 4.7 didn't like your page, by the way: it has
>minimal support for CSS1, and CSS2 was barely a glint in w3c's eye. With
>Netscape 6 (and soon 7) out and about, that isn't much of a worry, but
>corps are notorious for keeping old tech for no good reason.
Capitulating to Netscape 4's demands seems an ill course of action. I
think I'll continue to pretend that it doesn't exist, and all the
people who want a light and fast web browser can use lynx, like the
rest of us. :P
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dave...@spamcop.net
>> Al Sharka
>>
>>> The second one is "What shell do you prefer for scripting and
>>> why?"
>>
>> Extra points for "use strict", I assume?
> Ha! It was a trick question. Perl isn't a shell.
Yes, I know. Just because your question sucks, don't take it out on
me. Bah - I answered what you should have asked, not what you asked.
Your failure to know enough to ask the right question tells me all I
need to know about this position, thanks for lunch and your time,
bye now.
>> Dave "Why yes, I *do* have some strong opinions." Hinz
> You're planning those now that SOTU is collecting them,
> aren't you.
I thought it was a "has collected a sample", rather than "is collecting
them", but I may be wrong. But no, I'm not changing any behavior based
on that, at least not that I'm aware of.
Dave "I mean, there *was* that one time that I actually was wrong..." Hinz
sjc
>Ok, first draft is up. Draft of stylistics, not content. I'm
>satisfied with the content. Address in my sig, click on the obvious
>link.
Nice resume; you've seen Screwtape advocate CSS, but no one seems to
show you what it can do. This, my friends, is what happens when my work
e-mail goes down for two hours:
http://www.pieceoftheuniverse.com/jkaplan.html
You can see that I've duplicated your style almost exactly, but without
the use of nested tables. That kills the tag soup, though it may not be
quite as flexible as it once was (hey, I just threw it together). I've
also taken the liberty of stealing TA's format (thanks!) and using that
for the printing stylesheet. People who just look at it online will see
one thing; people who print it will see another (hopefully more
printer-friendly, though, strangely, it now comes out to two pages. I'll
let you fool 'round with it until it works to your satisfaction). That
depends on whether or not their browser likes CSS2, of course.
>Tanks muchly.
Thank *you*; every time I fool with someone else's page like this, I
always learn something new.
Oh, and to make it legal: content on jkaplan.html isn't mine, Jeffrey
Kaplan has full rights, yadda yadda yadda, contact him, not me, for
details, shish bam boom, page as it stands is his if he wants it, as
well as the requisite style sheets, flim flash kapow, email dress munged
on the page, nyah nyah nyah.
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Jeffrey Kaplan
result:
You guys are mean.
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sjc
>>> Dave "Why yes, I *do* have some strong opinions." Hinz
>
>> You're planning those now that SOTU is collecting them,
>> aren't you.
>
>I thought it was a "has collected a sample", rather than "is collecting
>them", but I may be wrong.
You're not wrong. I have far better things to do with my time than stalk
you.
At least, that's what my parole officer insists.
>Dave "I mean, there *was* that one time that I actually was wrong..." Hinz
... but you were mistaken?
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Jeffrey Kaplan
result:
; >Nope, I do not have Mozilla. I'm still so anti-Netscape that it spills
; >over.
; Well, last time you said "I'm not going to install Mozilla because it
; hasn't hit 1.0 yet", I idly wondered if curiosity had gotten the
; better of you. Anyway, the important part is not the Netscape UI, but
; just Mozilla's rendering engine. Any program that uses it should be
; fine, like for example http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/
... like Netscape 7?
How are they in terms of cross-platform compatibility? IOW, if I
install a Linux version, is functionally close enough to the Windows
version that I can get a good idea as to whether I'd like it on
Windows?
I'd be more willing to install it in Linux, since there it won't do
anything nasty to the system, just in case.
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Necessary")
dave...@spamcop.net
> dave...@spamcop.net spelled this out in the alphabet soup:
>>
>>them", but I may be wrong.
> You're not wrong. I have far better things to do with my time than stalk
> you.
Glad to hear it. First, you've reduced me to a very small perl script,
and I thin you've done *quite* enough for now.
> At least, that's what my parole officer insists.
That's what *she* said...
>>Dave "I mean, there *was* that one time that I actually was wrong..." Hinz
> ... but you were mistaken?
I'm not saying.
Dave "This statement is false." Hinz
Hetta
> Jeffrey Kaplan spelled this out in the alphabet soup:
>
> >Ok, first draft is up. Draft of stylistics, not content. I'm
> >satisfied with the content. Address in my sig, click on the obvious
> >link.
>
> Nice resume; you've seen Screwtape advocate CSS, but no one seems to
> show you what it can do. This, my friends, is what happens when my work
> e-mail goes down for two hours:
> http://www.pieceoftheuniverse.com/jkaplan.html
... looks crappy in NS4.72, dunno about lynx.
Hetta (Yes, I'll get around to downloading Mozilla one of these months, why do
you ask?)
Barry
spamtra...@saunalahti.fi says...
> ... looks crappy in NS4.72, dunno about lynx.
Yeah, lynx looks crappy in NS4.72.
Barry
sjc
>sjc <sp...@pieceoftheuniverse.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.pieceoftheuniverse.com/jkaplan.html
>
>... looks crappy in NS4.72,
I curse your outdated browser!
Seriously, though, NS4.x is almost a blessing in disguise. I don't know
*why*, mind, but that's what they say.
Fixeded, anyway, just for the mental exercise. I think. I humbly submit
the above URL for your updated opinion.
>dunno about lynx.
In Lynx it acctually looks pretty decent. That's what I usually markup
for: IE and Lynx. I usually forget about Netscape, though I suppose I
really should pay attention to that bit.
>Hetta (Yes, I'll get around to downloading Mozilla one of these months, why do
>you ask?)
Doesn't help that they went from Mozilla v4.x to v1.0, but the
User-Agent reads as v5.0, does it? Is it too much to ask that everyone
have a standard revision path, and stick to it?
You don't need to answer that.
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Oh, I don't know:
http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.html
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Jeffrey Kaplan
; Nice resume; you've seen Screwtape advocate CSS, but no one seems to
; show you what it can do. This, my friends, is what happens when my work
; e-mail goes down for two hours:
; http://www.pieceoftheuniverse.com/jkaplan.html
;
; You can see that I've duplicated your style almost exactly, but without
; the use of nested tables. That kills the tag soup, though it may not be
The nested tables provides a break in the left column coloring. And in
your version, the word "Experience" is straddling the header column
into the content column(s).
; printer-friendly, though, strangely, it now comes out to two pages. I'll
I've noticed that when I went to print-preview on mine. Larger fonts,
I think. The MS Word version is using 9 pt fonts, and the web version
is using (I think) 11 or 12 pt fonts.
Oh, and looking at the print version of yours, via Print Preview, it's
bad. The headings are too tiny compared to the rest of the text, and
there is no reason to split the when/where into two lines like that.
FYI, of course.
; Thank *you*; every time I fool with someone else's page like this, I
; always learn something new.
Glad to have helped. :)
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Jeffrey Kaplan
; >... looks crappy in NS4.72,
; I curse your outdated browser!
Some people swear by Netscape. I swear at it, and have been since it
was version 3.
; Seriously, though, NS4.x is almost a blessing in disguise. I don't know
; *why*, mind, but that's what they say.
Who are "they"?
; Doesn't help that they went from Mozilla v4.x to v1.0, but the
; User-Agent reads as v5.0, does it? Is it too much to ask that everyone
; have a standard revision path, and stick to it?
Yes.
; You don't need to answer that.
Too late.
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sjc
>
>; Nice resume; you've seen Screwtape advocate CSS, but no one seems to
>; show you what it can do. This, my friends, is what happens when my work
>; e-mail goes down for two hours:
>; http://www.pieceoftheuniverse.com/jkaplan.html
>;
>; You can see that I've duplicated your style almost exactly, but without
>; the use of nested tables. That kills the tag soup, though it may not be
>
>The nested tables provides a break in the left column coloring.
I saw that, but I wasn't sure it was worth the effort to attempt to
duplicate it. Inserting an <hr> or perhaps an alternate <div> might
provide the same look, but I'm not sure how that would affect the
printed version. A div or span of some sort would probably be safest,
floated to the left like the headers.
>And in your version, the word "Experience" is straddling the header column
>into the content column(s).
Try a refresh; with Hetta's comments, I fixed up the CSS. Now
"Experience" is static (as well as everything else in that column) while
the rest of the text is fluid. At least in my browser, anyway.
>; printer-friendly, though, strangely, it now comes out to two pages. I'll
>
>I've noticed that when I went to print-preview on mine. Larger fonts,
>I think. The MS Word version is using 9 pt fonts, and the web version
>is using (I think) 11 or 12 pt fonts.
Nice thing about making a printer stylesheet is the ability to use fixed
fonts. I would fool around with it a little more, see if I could get it
down to a page, but, well, it's five o'clock here and more or less time
for me to go home.
Heck, it's not like it's *my* resume. ;)
>Oh, and looking at the print version of yours, via Print Preview, it's
>bad. The headings are too tiny compared to the rest of the text, and
>there is no reason to split the when/where into two lines like that.
>FYI, of course.
Taking a look at the revised Print Preview, it looks like the when/where
has been (inadvertently, I'll admit) fixed so that it only appears on
one line. The headings do need adjustment, though; perhaps it can be
fixed through font sizes (px instead of em, maybe; something like 12 or
14 for headings, 10 for body text). In the actual printout, though, it
all looks a little different. Dead trees must have a +5 Alteration
skill.
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Chuck Linsley
Screwtape <screwtapeS...@froup.com> wrote:
>>That's why Netscrape 4.7 didn't like your page, by the way: it has
>>minimal support for CSS1, and CSS2 was barely a glint in w3c's eye. With
>>Netscape 6 (and soon 7) out and about, that isn't much of a worry, but
>>corps are notorious for keeping old tech for no good reason.
>
>Capitulating to Netscape 4's demands seems an ill course of action. I
>think I'll continue to pretend that it doesn't exist, and all the
>people who want a light and fast web browser can use lynx, like the
>rest of us. :P
At work, I still use Netscape 4.7x because I have little choice.
Our IT department decided a while back to discontinue support for
Netscape, so there is no chance of an officially-sanctioned upgrade.
If I try to upgrade myself, there is a distressingly large chance
that the installer will get half-way through, then die with an
"insufficient priviledge" error, after having blown away the current
version. I've had that happen with other upgrades; RealPlayer comes
to mind.
As to the alternatives, our officially supported browser is MSIE.
I use it only when I absolutely have to, like for some of our
intranet pages, or when I *really* want to see something that won't
open in Netscape, either because the author botched the HTML, or
the dumb-f*** deliberately created a site that only works in one
specific browser. Usually, I don't bother. If the author can't be
bothered to write a web site that works (even if the fancy whiz-bang
stuff doesn't work) in most reasonably common browsers, I can't be
bothered to look at his/her site. (Why won't I willingly use MSIE?
Well, because it's MSIE. What other reason do I need to hate it?)
At home, I don't have that excuse. I really do plan to upgrade to
Mozilla "Real Soon Now." (Netscape 6 spyware? No thanks.) I should
install Opera, too, if for no other reason than to make sure my
pages look OK in it. That's another thing I just haven't gotten
around to, yet, either. Maybe after I figure out why the stupid
computer will only download about 100 bytes/sec over a 37K (usually)
modem connection. :-(
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Chuck Linsley
Screwtape <screwtapeS...@froup.com> wrote:
>Also, there's some neat effects you can do with CSS (and a compliant
>browser) that you just can't do with adding tags to the page. If
>you've got Mozilla 1.0, you've probably seen some cool CSS tricks on
>the Demos page. Even with a mostly-compliant browser (like IE for
>Windows), CSS is useful.
Just be careful. Some of those "cool CSS tricks" can result in pages
that are completely unreadable on browsers that do not support CSS
(or have CSS turned off by user choice).
Jeffrey Kaplan
; >And in your version, the word "Experience" is straddling the header column
; >into the content column(s).
; Try a refresh; with Hetta's comments, I fixed up the CSS. Now
I looked after your fix, and a refresh doesn't fix it.
; "Experience" is static (as well as everything else in that column) while
; the rest of the text is fluid. At least in my browser, anyway.
It's the only text element that's out of place, here. Using IE6 on
'98SE. In Opera 6 on Linux, everything in that column is in a
different horizontal location. Experience is too far to the right, as
described above, and "Interests" is hugging the left edge of the
window.
; Nice thing about making a printer stylesheet is the ability to use fixed
; fonts. I would fool around with it a little more, see if I could get it
; down to a page, but, well, it's five o'clock here and more or less time
; for me to go home.
And it's not like it's your resume.
; Heck, it's not like it's *my* resume. ;)
See what I mean? :)
; Taking a look at the revised Print Preview, it looks like the when/where
; has been (inadvertently, I'll admit) fixed so that it only appears on
; one line. The headings do need adjustment, though; perhaps it can be
Not here. I can take a screenshot if you want. It's not a matter of
word wrap either, 'cause it does the same thing if I change it to
landscape view instead of portrait.
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Fierce Cookie
Looks awful in NS 4.78 (but then, doesn't everything?), and in Mozilla
1.0 the headings on the left don't line up.
And where are all the little dancing hamsters? I thought there would be
hamsters (Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo doo doo doo...)
I mean JEEZ Piece, if you're gonna do someone's resume, you should,
like, DO it.
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Fierce Cookie
> Screwtape,
> ...oh, if anyone has any suggestions for the improvement of my resumé,
> I'd be glad to hear them. ;)
You failed to brag about inventing PostIt notes, or even Lotus Notes
for that matter.
And need I mention that you don't have any damned dancing hamsters?
Ian Davis
Fierce Cookie <putain...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> And where are all the little dancing hamsters? I thought there would be
> hamsters (Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo doo doo doo...)
>
> I mean JEEZ Piece, if you're gonna do someone's resume, you should,
> like, DO it.
Armageddon!
TechnoAtheist
Uhm, looks kinda bad with IE 6.02.
http://www.unitedheroes.net/misc/jk.png
The "Experience" link is kinda straddlin' the line there.
Ultimately, if you want absolute precision in presentation, use either
PDF or JPG. HTML is not a layout language.
Granted, when I'm handed "Mockups" of web pages that were done in
photoshop, it's a bit annoying too, but that's another issue.
(Spiffy use of styles, though)
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Screwtape
>
>>Ok, first draft is up. Draft of stylistics, not content. I'm
>>satisfied with the content. Address in my sig, click on the obvious
>>link.
>
>Nice resume; you've seen Screwtape advocate CSS, but no one seems to
>show you what it can do. This, my friends, is what happens when my work
>e-mail goes down for two hours:
>http://www.pieceoftheuniverse.com/jkaplan.html
Sorry, Gecko doesn't like it either. :(
http://members.optusnet.com.au/thristian/Picture1.png
Neither does the W3C's HTML validator:
...or their CSS validator:
Thanks for the effort, though. :)
Fun with CSS: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/
Also, have a look at the "image" at the bottom of
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/
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Screwtape
>On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:43:16 +0100, a group of monkeys with no style
>claiming to be Barry <fri...@public.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <7qjojuk8bd3sd44rd...@4ax.com>,
>>spamtra...@saunalahti.fi says...
>>
>>> ... looks crappy in NS4.72, dunno about lynx.
>>
>>Yeah, lynx looks crappy in NS4.72.
>>
>
>Uhm, looks kinda bad with IE 6.02.
>
>http://www.unitedheroes.net/misc/jk.png
How odd. It doesn't look good in Mozilla, it doesn't look good in IE
for Windows, it doesn't look good in Netscape 4, and it doesn't look
good in IE for Mac either:
http://members.optusnet.com.au/thristian/Picture2.png
POTU: what web-browser were you testing with, anyway?
>Ultimately, if you want absolute precision in presentation, use either
>PDF or JPG. HTML is not a layout language.
This is true, I wish more people realised that. :P
>Granted, when I'm handed "Mockups" of web pages that were done in
>photoshop, it's a bit annoying too, but that's another issue.
"But we *must* have that lens-flare coming out over the text! It's
important for the /design/ ! Can't you just put it on another layer or
something?"
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TechnoAtheist
claiming to be Jeffrey Kaplan <rh...@gordol.org> wrote:
>TechnoAtheist cast electrons into the ether, and the following was the
>result:
>
>; 1. Folks reading resumes will give yours around five seconds to
>
>If those five seconds is all it takes to decide...
be clear.
>; 2. State exactly what your interests are. I'll often craft my resume
>; to fit the potential job offering, and skip the cover letter
>; completely.
>
>For print-out versions, yeah. But how to do that for an online version
>without a) keeping a zillion copies or b) messing with one that's up
>for a specific prospect?
You need zillions? Yumpin' Yiminy! I figured you needed at most three
or four based on what career path you wanted, Customer Support,
Computer Operations, Technical Writer, TV/VCR Gun Repair. Oh, wait,
no, sorry that last one is from mine.
>
>I'd rather have a baseline resume and then customize the cover letter.
>If you have pointers on how to reverse that with the above
>considerations, I'll listen.
Sure. Understand that my suggestions are partly from having spent the
better part of a month reviewing candidates for a single job. My share
of resumes was about 50 (the total was divided up amongst five
engineers).
About two days into it I started skipping the coverletters because the
resume told me more about the person.
Other folks don't have that issue.
Still others seem to think that using old EST manuals is the best way
to write a coverletter. Favorite so far "If you don't hire me, you're
making the biggest mistake of your career". No kidding. That was the
lead sentence from a cover letter.
I wanted to call the guy up and ask "Explain to me again who's out of
work and who's hiring again?"
>
>; 3. If you list anything on your resume, be sure you can back it up. I
>; can't tell you how many folks list things as being Strong or
>; Proficient but cannot answer simple questions about it. (Frankly, I
>; now understand why the tech bubble burst. It consisted mostly of hot
>; air.)
>
>If anything, I tend to understate what I can do. Granted, there is no
>way for a prospective employer to know that just by looking at my
>resume.
Yeah, it's a tricky balance between sales and pure hyperbole. Speaking
from experience again, I use the Resume to determine if the person is
worth phone screening. I use the phone screen to determine if he's
worth spending several thousand dollars of company time talking to.
>
>; Your format is good, but I'd get rid of the style thing entirely. Keep
>; it simple. In fact, most resumes are entered into automated databases
>; and ALL styling is lost.
>;
>; Stick to at most three fonts, and the most classic format you can.
>
>I am only specifying three fonts: Impact, Courier New and Arial.
Hmm. The verision I saw had four Impact for the name Times New Roman
for the Section headers and paragraph text, Courier for the work
history titles, and Arial for the job title.
> Is
>the format not classic?
No, not really. Having a colored left hand margin looks nice on bonded
print paper, but doesn't really scan well. (again, using the highly
subjective point of view on this) Others will disagree.
> The basic format is more or less what I've
>been using for the past 15 or so years. When I put it into MS Word
>mumble years ago, when I started using a word processor, I chose a
>template that had the same basic format as what I had been using
>before. The web version really only has one difference: The headings
>are in shaded table cells that run the length of the section. In MS
>Word, only the word itself is in a shaded block.
>
>(Hmm... I seem to be defending my choice of style...)
Nah, I'm easily swayed if you like it, although I really wouldn't use
Microsoft's templates as the bastillion of style.
>
>; e.g. http://www.unitedheroes.net/misc/jkaplan.html
>; (oh, and make sure you don't cross the tags, Ray ;) )
>
>I'm not Ray, so it's OK. :)
Actually, that was one of the things I fixed from your resume. You had
crossed the </strong> and </font> tags.
>
>; It's not showy, but it works. I took the liberty of spamblocking your
>; email address, (Spambots are amazingly stupid some times), but you may
>; want to think about setting up a dedicated email address for this
>; (like jeffery_kaplan so that you can blackhole the spam later if need
>; be)
>
>Duh, right. Now, somewhere around here, if I still have it, is a
>javascript to munge emails so that the complete string is only written
>by the browser at render-time... where did I put it...
eh, all you need to do is use %40 in the URL and @ in the HTML.
Did I mention that spiders are REALLY stupid?
>
>I've decided against the WYSIWYG and am going for an editor with a live
>or on-demand preview, one that doesn't actually require saving the
>in-progress document to a temp file in order to view.
Good Lad.
>
>; I also don't recommend PDF/Word or any other proprietary format that
>; someone needs an extra reader for. They make for pretty documents, but
>; they don't make things easy to mail around to folks on different
>; platforms. (Since I'm one of the only guys that actually runs NT as
>
>PDF by design is platform independent. Hell, there's even a couple PDF
>viewers/converters for PalmOS (they suck, but they exist). Whether or
>not you have a viewer for it is another matter entirely.
Yeah, but it still requires a seperate program to load and run. Again,
drawing from personal experience, that meant keeping a copy of IE,
Adobe and Word, as well as Outlook running in order to view the
resumes.
>
>As for Word, it's so friggin' common that all of the UNIX/Linux office
>suites that I know of can read Word files.
That, of course, presumes that the group your dealing with are running
Linux office suites. I know of one company that runs BSD, where Linux
office suites are exceptionally rare, indeed. Plus, while Word 97 is
reasonably common, anything above that generally crashes the viewers.
(Understand that folks I'm talking about do their development on those
boxes and are adverse to running anything that might eat up memory or
cause excessive swapping while they're compiling. Why in God's name
they don't do the viewing crap on the NT terminal they've got sitting
next to them playing MP3s is beyond me, but that's their issue. Plus
it's a hassle to save the attachement using Mutt to a common
directory, use NFS (yecch) or scp to open and print the file on the NT
box.
>
>; their unix client, guess who had to print off all the resumes that
>; came in as Word Documents? I didn't print off a fair number of them
>; because I was busy. Their loss.)
>
>If I was the HR person who asked you to print the resumes, I'd be
>rather upset with you. It doesn't take that long to spool print jobs.
No, but it takes time to start them. Remember how I said that we had A
LOT of these? Guess who got first dibs? The guys that did their
resumes as either HTML or text. If we didn't see anyone who fit that
we went to the PDFs and then if we still didn't have anyone, we went
to the Word docs.
Oh, and the HR guys were mad at us for other reasons.
>Right-click on file, select PRINT. Repeat for next file. Or select
>multiple files, right-click and select PRINT. Spooled off in less than
>5 minutes.
Presuming you're on Windows, which I'll say again, I'm in the vast
minority. In addition my batch of resumes came as email attachments,
which meant opening the message (sometimes several deep) loading it
into Word (which hopefully I didn't forget and just close) or Adobe,
and then printing, saying Ok to the print dialog and remembering to
fish off the printer before Karen grabs the stack of printouts because
her's is stuck somewhere in the middle. Or conversely, your resume
gets stuck in the middle of someone's twin set of 100 page docs.
>; Anyway, good luck, and stay focused and positive.
>
>Well, I got a sort-of nibble today. Someone at a Citigroup subsidiary
>trolling through Hotjobs sent me an invite to a corporate open
>house/overview thing this week. Now, to my knowledge, nothing in my
>resume indicates I know anything about finances, so I +hope+ it's for
>an internal IT position of some kind... I'm going, I certainly have
>nothing to loose.
Coolies!
Screwtape
>Screwtape cast electrons into the ether, and the following was the
>result:
>
>; >Nope, I do not have Mozilla. I'm still so anti-Netscape that it spills
>; >over.
>; Well, last time you said "I'm not going to install Mozilla because it
>; hasn't hit 1.0 yet", I idly wondered if curiosity had gotten the
>; better of you. Anyway, the important part is not the Netscape UI, but
>; just Mozilla's rendering engine. Any program that uses it should be
>; fine, like for example http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/
>
>... like Netscape 7?
Well, technically *yes*... if you like all kinds of AOL crap in your
bookmarks and on your desktop, and the removal of useful features like
pop-up and image blocking.
An independant opinion from a netscape engineer, under the heading
"Misconceptions":
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G10623451
>How are they in terms of cross-platform compatibility? IOW, if I
>install a Linux version, is functionally close enough to the Windows
>version that I can get a good idea as to whether I'd like it on
>Windows?
I don't know about Netscape (at least, the netscape-specific portions
of netscape) but Mozilla is *scarily* cross-platform. Apart from the
fonts used in menus and dialogs (respecting each platform's default
font), they're pretty much pixel-perfect.
On the other hand, the Windows version has extra preferences for
things like "be the default web-browser" and "automatically load
mozilla at startup" which just aren't applicable in the Linux version.
>I'd be more willing to install it in Linux, since there it won't do
>anything nasty to the system, just in case.
Probably the safest way is to download the raw tarball:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q63612451
Untar it in your home directory, which should give you a mozilla/
folder. Inside that should be a shell-script called "mozilla" which
would be a good place to start. To uninstall mozilla, delete the
mozilla folder, as well as the hidden ".mozilla" folder also in your
home folder.
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Screwtape
>Screwtape attempted to infuriate me by saying:
>
>> Screwtape,
>> ...oh, if anyone has any suggestions for the improvement of my resumé,
>> I'd be glad to hear them. ;)
>
>You failed to brag about inventing PostIt notes, or even Lotus Notes
>for that matter.
You know, such an omission is henious. Heck, I even forgot to mention
my invention of musical notes, bank notes and Cliff's Notes.
>And need I mention that you don't have any damned dancing hamsters?
Dancing Hamsters of the Damned: Coming Soon to a Resumé Near You.
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Jeffrey Kaplan
result:
; Uhm, looks kinda bad with IE 6.02.
;
; http://www.unitedheroes.net/misc/jk.png
;
; The "Experience" link is kinda straddlin' the line there.
That's what I was 'plaining about.
; Ultimately, if you want absolute precision in presentation, use either
; PDF or JPG. HTML is not a layout language.
Those lock you into a static layout. You can get layout with HTML,
with the added benefit of it being dynamic enough to mostly compensate
for different window geometries.
Jason
<snip a lot of boring junk>
> fish off the printer before Karen grabs the stack of printouts because
Aha! The important part! Now, who is Karen, and is she attractive?
Hetta
> >
> >> ... looks crappy in NS4.72, dunno about lynx.
> >
> >Yeah, lynx looks crappy in NS4.72.
>
> Oh, I don't know:
> http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.html
'kay, what I want to know is, why does lynx break lines right after list bullets
on this page:
http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fibiblio.org%2Fherbmed%2Feclectic%2Fmain.html
(= http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/main.html as seen through lynxview)
* Transactions of the National Eclectic Medical Association
+
1882-1883
+
1888-1889
+
1895-1896
and why doesn't it wordwrap the longer bulleted lists if they start with a link?
Are these lynx 2.7.1 bugs, troubles on lynxview, or something in my code?
Hetta
Screwtape
<snip>
>Are these lynx 2.7.1 bugs, troubles on lynxview, or something in my code?
It works fine with my local copy of lynx 2.8.4rel.1, so presumably
it's lynx 2.7.1 or lynxview.
links seems to DTRT, even more than lynx - it doesn't number the
links, for starters.
Screwtape,
...links, lynx, Linux.. anyone for a gynnant o' nyx?
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Sid
> sjc cast electrons into the ether, and the following was the result:
>
> ; >... looks crappy in NS4.72,
> ; I curse your outdated browser!
>
> Some people swear by Netscape. I swear at it, and have been since it
> was version 3.
>
> ; Seriously, though, NS4.x is almost a blessing in disguise. I don't know
> ; *why*, mind, but that's what they say.
>
> Who are "they"?
Sid, you asked
TimC
>
> ... like Netscape 7?
See, when the last post you read is one that says
"What shell do you prefer for scripting and why?"
and you read on assuming the next of the next message is responding,
you can see why my head sometimes explodes....
--
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Save the whales. Feed the hungry. Free the mallocs.
TimC
> On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:43:16 +0100, a group of monkeys with no style
> claiming to be Barry <fri...@public.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <7qjojuk8bd3sd44rd...@4ax.com>,
>>spamtra...@saunalahti.fi says...
>>
>>> ... looks crappy in NS4.72, dunno about lynx.
>>
>>Yeah, lynx looks crappy in NS4.72.
>>
>
> Uhm, looks kinda bad with IE 6.02.
>
> http://www.unitedheroes.net/misc/jk.png
>
> The "Experience" link is kinda straddlin' the line there.
Heh, une seen nothen yet.
http://www.astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/jk.png
Gorsh, I hate html being used as a markup, er, layout language.
Heh, the markup bit was a Freudian slip, I'm sure, if I knew
what a Freudian slip was, since I think everyone should be
using \LaTeX{} to markup their stuff. Indeed, people should
be talking to each other using \LaTeX{}.
Just don't forget the closing brace!
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grep && gawk && unzip && strip && touch && finger && mount && fsck \
&& gasp && more && yes && umount && make clean && make mrproper && sleep
TimC
> m_init(): spawning followupTo('sjc')...done.
>>Jeffrey Kaplan spelled this out in the alphabet soup:
>>
>>>Ok, first draft is up. Draft of stylistics, not content. I'm
>>>satisfied with the content. Address in my sig, click on the obvious
>>>link.
>>
>>Nice resume; you've seen Screwtape advocate CSS, but no one seems to
>>show you what it can do. This, my friends, is what happens when my work
>>e-mail goes down for two hours:
>>http://www.pieceoftheuniverse.com/jkaplan.html
>
> Sorry, Gecko doesn't like it either. :(
>
> http://members.optusnet.com.au/thristian/Picture1.png
I see you waste your time on slashdot reading about in flight reboots too.
That and the fact that your tabbing seems confused as to what page you are on....
>
> Neither does the W3C's HTML validator:
>
> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pieceoftheuniverse.com%2Fjkaplan.html&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline
>
> ...or their CSS validator:
>
> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pieceoftheuniverse.com%2Fjkaplan.html&warning=1&profile=css2
>
> Thanks for the effort, though. :)
>
>
> Fun with CSS: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/
See, I see SoTU's CSS and think "What the hell is everyone hyping
CSS for? It is crap - there is absolutely no consistency betwen
the differnt implementations!". Then discover this, and realise
it is just SoTU which is inconsistent. He was mixed up too much
when he was a child :)
I love the CSS popups :)
> Also, have a look at the "image" at the bottom of
> http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/
Drool.
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Conclusion to my thesis --
"It is trivial to show that it is clearly obvious that this is not
woofly"
sjc
>
>; >And in your version, the word "Experience" is straddling the header column
>; >into the content column(s).
>; Try a refresh; with Hetta's comments, I fixed up the CSS.
>
That's because I uploaded the wrong version. I didn't realize it until
this morning (I must have been tired yesterday).
I uploaded a new style sheet for the printer version, as well; it fixes
all the fonts so they're at least 12px (for the body text) and higher
for headers as appropriate. The printed version is still two pages,
though; to get it down to one page, you'll have to reduce the body text
to 10px as well as all the headers by the same amount (2px). It's not
necessarily straining on the eyes -- I prefer 10px fonts, myself -- but
that's your call.
Separator has been added above the Education and Interests, to achieve
the same look (span tags, like I said yesterday). I've tried finagling
with the margins a bit to make sure the headers come out even on the
left side; it seems to work on three of my computers, but you have a
different setup than I do. And I just can't seem to get the margins
flush against the sides ...
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"Action conquers fear." - Peter N. Zarlenga
Donald Welsh
wrote:
>m_init(): spawning followupTo('Teh (tî'pô)')...done.
>>Jeffrey Kaplan bravely attempted to attach 37 electrodes of knowledge
>>to the nipples of rec.humor.oracle.d by saying:
>>>
>>>Not yet. Looks like I need to translate my resume into a variety of
>>>formats, including plain text.
>>
>>Forget about plain text, it's next to impossible to get a decent
>>editor for *that* Ghod forsaken format!
>
>I've heard some positive reports about some new product called EDLIN,
>might be what you're looking for.
I knew someone once who wrote a compiler in TECO. Quite a story.
Donald Welsh
wrote:
>Screwtape bravely attempted to attach 40 electrodes of knowledge to
>the nipples of rec.humor.oracle.d by saying:
>>...oh, if anyone has any suggestions for the improvement of my resumé,
>>I'd be glad to hear them. ;)
>
>You could add that you proved that P == NP and debunked Goldbach's
>conjecture.
Well! Why not solve all the Hilbert problems while you're at it!
Oh, and a cure for cancer, a perpetual motion machine, practical time
travel, and a vending machine that makes a decent cup of coffee.
>--
>..but there is insufficient space on Teh server to upload my proof.
-- D. "Theory of everything." W.
sjc
>m_init(): spawning followupTo('TechnoAtheist')...done.
>>On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:43:16 +0100, a group of monkeys with no style
>>claiming to be Barry <fri...@public.com> wrote:
>>
>How odd. It doesn't look good in Mozilla, it doesn't look good in IE
>for Windows, it doesn't look good in Netscape 4, and it doesn't look
>good in IE for Mac either:
>http://members.optusnet.com.au/thristian/Picture2.png
>
>POTU: what web-browser were you testing with, anyway?
I have no idea anymore. I thought I was using IE, and it looks fine for
me; I must be having one of those delusions of grandeur again.
It's possibly because I'm trying for a pixel-perfect layout, when I know
very well there is no such thing. The new fixes I implemented might look
like crap in other resolutions ... hmmm. Hold on a minute ...
Nope.
Okay: I'm using IE 5.5, Lynx (don't know what version) for PC, 1280 x
1024 resolution, browser's at 800 x 600 (more or less), and I've taken
note of your validation notices and made sure the w3c liked what I was
doing. I've changed resolutions to 800 x 600, 600 x 480, and 1000 x
whatever, and it still looks fine. My computer must exist on a different
plane of existence from everyone else, thus confirming what I've
suspected all along.
But look at my *other* pages. Those look fine, right? The ones that are
actually mine?
>>Ultimately, if you want absolute precision in presentation, use either
>>PDF or JPG. HTML is not a layout language.
Yeah; tell me about it. I've been harping at newbies in alt.html for not
separating content from presentation, then I go and make the same
mistake. Hopefully fixeded.
>This is true, I wish more people realised that. :P
>
>>Granted, when I'm handed "Mockups" of web pages that were done in
>>photoshop, it's a bit annoying too, but that's another issue.
Could be worse; could be PageMaker.
Ye gods, how I despise that program.
>"But we *must* have that lens-flare coming out over the text! It's
>important for the /design/ ! Can't you just put it on another layer or
>something?"
Show them their page in Lynx and watch their hearts flutter. It's fun.
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"Anybody can be Pope; the proof of this is that I have become one." -
Pope John XXIII
Tom Harrington
Al Sharka <ash...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> dave...@spamcop.net wrote:
> >
> > What, does 'vi' not exist in your computing environment?
> >
> > Dave "First question I ask someone I'm interviewing. Seriously."
> > Hinz
>
> Actually, the first one I ask is "vi or emacs" and let them
> hang themselves.
>
> The second one is "What shell do you prefer for scripting and why?"
At my last job there was a guy who'd get interviewees with "Where is the
'cd' command on Unix systems, and why?" A surprising number thought it
was in /usr/bin, /bin, or some similar location.
--
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"And you may ask yourself,
well, how did I get here?"
-- Talking Heads
Jeffrey Kaplan
result:
; -- D. "Theory of everything." W.
I want to live in Theory. Everything works, in Theory.
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"In breaking away from Earth, we have begun a difficult and uncertain
journey and none of us can see it's end. But our cause remains a just
one. That truth honors and sanctifies our fallen comrades who have
made the ultimate sacrifice, so that we may carry on the work that is
ahead of us. We are gathered here today, to honor their memory, and
their names." (Capt. Sheridan, B5 "Ceremonies of Light And Dark")
Jeffrey Kaplan
result:
; >; better of you. Anyway, the important part is not the Netscape UI, but
; >; just Mozilla's rendering engine. Any program that uses it should be
; >; fine, like for example http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/
; >... like Netscape 7?
; Well, technically *yes*... if you like all kinds of AOL crap in your
; bookmarks and on your desktop, and the removal of useful features like
; pop-up and image blocking.
Which was my point.
; An independant opinion from a netscape engineer, under the heading
; "Misconceptions":
; http://makeashorterlink.com/?G10623451
Yes, and?
; I don't know about Netscape (at least, the netscape-specific portions
; of netscape) but Mozilla is *scarily* cross-platform. Apart from the
; fonts used in menus and dialogs (respecting each platform's default
; font), they're pretty much pixel-perfect.
It was Moz I was asking about.
; On the other hand, the Windows version has extra preferences for
; things like "be the default web-browser" and "automatically load
; mozilla at startup" which just aren't applicable in the Linux version.
Gah, on the auto load.
; >I'd be more willing to install it in Linux, since there it won't do
; >anything nasty to the system, just in case.
; Probably the safest way is to download the raw tarball:
Did I ever mention that I dislike tar? I can never remember the proper
incantation to get tar to work right.
; Untar it in your home directory, which should give you a mozilla/
; folder. Inside that should be a shell-script called "mozilla" which
; would be a good place to start. To uninstall mozilla, delete the
; mozilla folder, as well as the hidden ".mozilla" folder also in your
; home folder.
That's what I mean about it not doing stuff to Linux. Uninstall is
almost always as simple as deleting the frelling directory. Installing
is more complex 'cause things have to be customized for the local
system, but that generally only effects the application itself, not
auxiliary files scattered across the system.
Maybe later this week I'll install Moz onto my Linux machine and give
it a whirl.
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"If we don't go along with this we'll change history. And the Shadows
will come out of the last war stronger than they should be. We won't
stand a chance against odds like that." (Amb. Sinclair, B5 "War
Without End, Pt. 1")
Jeffrey Kaplan
result:
; >TechnoAtheist cast electrons into the ether, and the following was the
; >result:
; >; 1. Folks reading resumes will give yours around five seconds to
; >If those five seconds is all it takes to decide...
; be clear.
Sorry, my body is opaque at the moment.
Is my resume not clear? If not, what isn't?
; >For print-out versions, yeah. But how to do that for an online version
; >without a) keeping a zillion copies or b) messing with one that's up
; >for a specific prospect?
; You need zillions? Yumpin' Yiminy! I figured you needed at most three
; or four based on what career path you wanted, Customer Support,
; Computer Operations, Technical Writer, TV/VCR Gun Repair. Oh, wait,
; no, sorry that last one is from mine.
Well, potentially zillions. Not sure if I qualify for technical
writer, though tv/vcr/gun repair sounds intriguing...
; Sure. Understand that my suggestions are partly from having spent the
; better part of a month reviewing candidates for a single job. My share
Understood.
; Still others seem to think that using old EST manuals is the best way
; to write a coverletter. Favorite so far "If you don't hire me, you're
; making the biggest mistake of your career". No kidding. That was the
; lead sentence from a cover letter.
That sounds like the same basic phrase found in a lot of spam: "Read
this to the end! Don't delete this email!" Oops, sorry. I hit the
<delete> key.
; Yeah, it's a tricky balance between sales and pure hyperbole. Speaking
; from experience again, I use the Resume to determine if the person is
; worth phone screening. I use the phone screen to determine if he's
; worth spending several thousand dollars of company time talking to.
Thousands of dollars to talk to someone? Why? Do you fly them in at
company expense from the other side of the planet, or something?
; >I am only specifying three fonts: Impact, Courier New and Arial.
; Hmm. The verision I saw had four Impact for the name Times New Roman
No, Times New Roman is not specified in my source. I don't like that
font. I use Courier New instead. If you saw Times New Roman, your
browser did a font substitution.
; >(Hmm... I seem to be defending my choice of style...)
; Nah, I'm easily swayed if you like it, although I really wouldn't use
; Microsoft's templates as the bastillion of style.
I'm not, not really. I was using that basic style long before I had a
computer, and chose the template because it was the same basic format
as what I was already using.
; eh, all you need to do is use %40 in the URL and @ in the HTML.
Trick noted.
; Did I mention that spiders are REALLY stupid?
I think you may have mentioned it.
; >PDF by design is platform independent. Hell, there's even a couple PDF
; >viewers/converters for PalmOS (they suck, but they exist). Whether or
; >not you have a viewer for it is another matter entirely.
;
; Yeah, but it still requires a seperate program to load and run. Again,
You can say the same thing about +any+ format. "Gee, that requires a
separate program to load and run, therefor I'm not going to bother with
it." Somewhere, the sanity must stop.
; (Understand that folks I'm talking about do their development on those
; boxes and are adverse to running anything that might eat up memory or
; cause excessive swapping while they're compiling. Why in God's name
<mode="sarcasm">Oh how inconsiderate of them. Sheesh. Unwilling to
risk their precious projects so they can look at resumes in odd
formats... </mode>
; they don't do the viewing crap on the NT terminal they've got sitting
; next to them playing MP3s is beyond me, but that's their issue. Plus
; it's a hassle to save the attachement using Mutt to a common
; directory, use NFS (yecch) or scp to open and print the file on the NT
; box.
mutt? I used to work with someone who used that. Everyone else in the
office used either pine or elm, including the boss.
; >Right-click on file, select PRINT. Repeat for next file. Or select
; >multiple files, right-click and select PRINT. Spooled off in less than
; >5 minutes.
; Presuming you're on Windows, which I'll say again, I'm in the vast
; minority. In addition my batch of resumes came as email attachments,
You did say that you were using Windows and that you were not printing
the resumes out 'cause it takes too long.
; which meant opening the message (sometimes several deep) loading it
; into Word (which hopefully I didn't forget and just close) or Adobe,
Um, in Windows, have your mail client save the attachment to an
otherwise empty directory. Repeat for the others. Then in the
directory, select all, right-click, print. As long as you have the
viewing programs installed, they'll print. Then take your lunch and
camp out at the printer to make sure they don't get commingled with
that 100 page source code printout Karen was doing.
; her's is stuck somewhere in the middle. Or conversely, your resume
; gets stuck in the middle of someone's twin set of 100 page docs.
+That+ I can understand as a hassle.
; >Well, I got a sort-of nibble today. Someone at a Citigroup subsidiary
; >trolling through Hotjobs sent me an invite to a corporate open
; >house/overview thing this week. Now, to my knowledge, nothing in my
; >resume indicates I know anything about finances, so I +hope+ it's for
; >an internal IT position of some kind... I'm going, I certainly have
; >nothing to loose.
; Coolies!
Turns out it wasn't. It wasn't for an IT job. The guy thought that my
IT experience would make me a good prospect for a financial services
position.
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"I like you... your trouble." "Ha.. well thank you, that's the nicest
thing anybody's said about me in days." (Draal and Cmdr. Ivanova, B5
"Voices Of Authority")
Jeffrey Kaplan
result:
; >Uhm, looks kinda bad with IE 6.02.
; How odd. It doesn't look good in Mozilla, it doesn't look good in IE
; for Windows, it doesn't look good in Netscape 4, and it doesn't look
; good in IE for Mac either:
Ok then. So many browsers hate it, either something is wrong with all
of these browsers, some of which are current versions, or something is
wrong with CSS, or something is wrong with the implementation of CSS in
this example.
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"I'll be in the car." (Cmdr. Ivanova, B5 "War Without End" pt 1)
Jeffrey Kaplan
; I have no idea anymore. I thought I was using IE, and it looks fine for
; me; I must be having one of those delusions of grandeur again.
Well, if you're going to have delusions, they may as well be of
grandeur.
; It's possibly because I'm trying for a pixel-perfect layout, when I know
C'mon... even I know that trick never works.
; whatever, and it still looks fine. My computer must exist on a different
; plane of existence from everyone else, thus confirming what I've
; suspected all along.
Doesn't everyones'?
It looks right, now.
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"They say that, when a Ranger dies the figures on either side shed
three tears. One of water and two of blood." (Marcus Cole, B5
"Matters Of Honor")
Jeffrey Kaplan
; > http://www.unitedheroes.net/misc/jk.png
; http://www.astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/jk.png
The difference is the screen geometry and you're using purple for your
application foreground color.
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"Delenn, I still don't understand how taking Babylon 4 will prevent the
destruction of Babylon 5." "When we defeated the Shadows, we destroyed
most of their fleet of ships. That's why they are moving slowly, it's
taking them time to rebuild their ships." (Marcus Cole and Amb.
Delenn, B5 "War Without End, Pt. 1")
Jeffrey Kaplan
; That's because I uploaded the wrong version. I didn't realize it until
; this morning (I must have been tired yesterday).
Oops.
; I uploaded a new style sheet for the printer version, as well; it fixes
; all the fonts so they're at least 12px (for the body text) and higher
; for headers as appropriate. The printed version is still two pages,
; though; to get it down to one page, you'll have to reduce the body text
; to 10px as well as all the headers by the same amount (2px). It's not
; necessarily straining on the eyes -- I prefer 10px fonts, myself -- but
; that's your call.
Yeah, I believe I mentioned that the MS Word version is using smaller
fonts. On paper, I prefer fonts in the 9 to 11 range, as well as in my
news/email client. My terminal is using 9, on the web I use whatever
is specified, I can't seem to find a size setting for the fonts.
; different setup than I do. And I just can't seem to get the margins
; flush against the sides ...
Sides of the coloring, or sides of the window? If you look at my
original, you'll see that they are not flush against the sides of the
browser window. The entire surrounding frameset is set to be 90% wide,
centered, specifically so there'd be a margin. The headings column is
as wide as the widest item in the cells, the items are all
align="left".
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"Now, uh, landing thrusters. Landing thrusters. If I were a landing
thruster, which one of these [buttons] would I be?" (Amb. Mollari, B5
"A Voice in the Wilderness II")
sjc
>
>; That's because I uploaded the wrong version. I didn't realize it until
>; this morning (I must have been tired yesterday).
>
>Oops.
Oops indeed. This is why I don't do this kind of thing professionally,
folks.
Well, that, and I'm very bad in customer interactions. Total time in
tech support: three months. And then where did I go? Retail. In the
interim I must have signed up for brain transplant surgery, and gotten
Cheney's.
>; It's not necessarily straining on the eyes -- I prefer 10px fonts,
>; myself -- but that's your call.
>
>Yeah, I believe I mentioned that the MS Word version is using smaller
>fonts. On paper, I prefer fonts in the 9 to 11 range, as well as in my
>news/email client.
Done, then. I've changed kaplan.css to use 10px for body text, 12px for
h3, 14px for h2, and 16px for h1. Now it all fits on one page (again, on
my computer; try a test printout).
>My terminal is using 9, on the web I use whatever
>is specified, I can't seem to find a size setting for the fonts.
Depends on the program, of course. IE makes it easy: view ->text size.
Netscape is view -> increase font/decrease font, or just ctrl-[ and
ctrl-]. Ah, heck, why not just go here:
http://www.largeprintreviews.com/changefonts.chtml
Any browser worth its salt will let you alter font size. Any browser not
worth its salt probably tastes good with eggs.
>; different setup than I do. And I just can't seem to get the margins
>; flush against the sides ...
>
>Sides of the coloring, or sides of the window?
Sides of the colouring against the window.
>If you look at my original, you'll see that they are not flush against
>the sides of the browser window.
Your text isn't; that makes sense. But in trying to get the colouring
flush against the window, I've only succeeded in making my ears bleed.
There's probably a simple and effective way to do it, I just lack the
know-how. Like Tim C said, I've been mixed up for far too long to make
sense of the world as it appears to you other sentients.
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"Choose always the way that seems the best, however rough it may be;
custom will soon render it easy and agreeable." - Pythagoras
Ian Davis
TimC <tcon...@no.astro.spam.swin.accepted.edu.here.au> wrote:
> ... if I knew
> what a Freudian slip was,
You don't need to know. Suffice it to say that he kept his wardrobe
for the weekends separate from the weekdays.
Ian.