Patriot Scientific PSC1000 / Ignite1
jsnyder
Has anyone used the Patriot chips who can offer comments / opinions on their
features, benefits and what their future might be? Thanks.
Elizabeth D. Rather
Yes, we've use the PSC1000 (or whatever they're calling it nowadays,
they're having a big marketing shakeup), and offer a version of our
SwiftX cross-development system for it. See our web site for
information and benchmarks comparing the PSC1000 with other chips. It's
an excellent part.
Cheers,
Elizabeth
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jmd...@my-deja.com
"Elizabeth D. Rather" <era...@forth.com> wrote:
> jsnyder wrote:
> >
> > Hello group,
> >
> > Has anyone used the Patriot chips who can offer comments / opinions
on their
> > features, benefits and what their future might be? Thanks.
>
> Yes, we've use the PSC1000 (or whatever they're calling it nowadays,
> they're having a big marketing shakeup), and offer a version of our
> SwiftX cross-development system for it. See our web site for
> information and benchmarks comparing the PSC1000 with other chips.
It's
> an excellent part.
>
> Cheers,
> Elizabeth
That reminds me. I can't view the Patriot Scientific web page
anymore. They've put up some crappy "flash" program. My browser
supports flash, but all I see is a "Skip Intro" text message that I
can't click on (even though my cursor becomes a "hand" when it is over
it). Do you know if Patriot has a non-flash website?
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Keith Wootten
>In article <3A553C7A...@forth.com>,
> "Elizabeth D. Rather" <era...@forth.com> wrote:
>> jsnyder wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello group,
>> >
>> > Has anyone used the Patriot chips who can offer comments / opinions
>on their
>> > features, benefits and what their future might be? Thanks.
>>
>> Yes, we've use the PSC1000 (or whatever they're calling it nowadays,
>> they're having a big marketing shakeup), and offer a version of our
>> SwiftX cross-development system for it. See our web site for
>> information and benchmarks comparing the PSC1000 with other chips.
>It's
>> an excellent part.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Elizabeth
>
>That reminds me. I can't view the Patriot Scientific web page
>anymore. They've put up some crappy "flash" program. My browser
>supports flash, but all I see is a "Skip Intro" text message that I
>can't click on (even though my cursor becomes a "hand" when it is over
>it). Do you know if Patriot has a non-flash website?
You've gone and started me off...
Up until a few weeks ago, Patriot had a quick and concise WebSite with
lots of readily available high-quality data. They've since retained the
services of a Web design consultancy, and the whole thing has gone to
hell. No more technical information, just a 'phone number to call, and
then there's the crappy intro pages with the stupid butterfly.
http://www.websterinc.com/newsletter/dec0400/ tells the story.
If you wait long enough, the intro will end and you can get to their
'normal' new WebSite. Don't expect much in the way of factual
information anymore, this is pure marketspeak.
Patriot have a truly great product, and I use it commercially to run
Forth in embedded control. Their current Web based marketing doesn't
work for me.
Cheers
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jmd...@my-deja.com
Keith Wootten <Ke...@wootten.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> You've gone and started me off...
Sorry about that. ;-)
> Up until a few weeks ago, Patriot had a quick and concise WebSite with
> lots of readily available high-quality data. They've since retained
the
> services of a Web design consultancy, and the whole thing has gone to
> hell. No more technical information, just a 'phone number to call,
and
> then there's the crappy intro pages with the stupid butterfly.
>
> http://www.websterinc.com/newsletter/dec0400/ tells the story.
>
> If you wait long enough, the intro will end and you can get to their
> 'normal' new WebSite. Don't expect much in the way of factual
> information anymore, this is pure marketspeak.
>
> Patriot have a truly great product, and I use it commercially to run
> Forth in embedded control. Their current Web based marketing doesn't
> work for me.
>
> Cheers
> --
> Keith Wootten
Well my problem is that I can't get it to work. Period. I don't see
the stupid butterfly. I don't see the phone number. Nothing. I use
IE 5.0 and Netscape 6.0. Ironically the page DOES work with Netscape
4.7. How retarded! (Actually it doesn't work right their either, but
I can at least hit "skip intro".) And these yahoos at "websterinc.com"
call this "most improved"?
Websites should be done in HTML with (maybe) Flash enhancements. Doing
the entire website as flash is the most ridiculous thing I've ever
heard of. Does anyone know the contact email for Patriot Scientific?
Someone should tell them that their website is unreadable with anything
but OLD Netscape browsers.
Jerry Avins
If it's not worth reading, why care? I should think it elementary that
technical people don't turn to technical web sites for entertainment,
nor will supposed entertainment cause them to abandon their critical
judgment about the merits of a product. Sexy ads may sell cars to the
general public, but I doubt that they sell spark plugs to the car
makers. At whom are these pitches aimed?
Jerry
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Keith Wootten
[snipped PTSC WebSite]
>Well my problem is that I can't get it to work. Period. I don't see
>the stupid butterfly. I don't see the phone number. Nothing.
www.ptsc.com/home.html should bypass the stupid butterfly.
> Does anyone know the contact email for Patriot Scientific?
Mike Korodi is the (new, I think) Sales and Marketing Veep -
mko...@ptsc.com
>Someone should tell them that their website is unreadable with anything
>but OLD Netscape browsers.
Please do.
Cheers
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Keith Wootten
writes
>If it's not worth reading, why care? I should think it elementary that
>technical people don't turn to technical web sites for entertainment,
>nor will supposed entertainment cause them to abandon their critical
>judgment about the merits of a product. Sexy ads may sell cars to the
>general public, but I doubt that they sell spark plugs to the car
>makers. At whom are these pitches aimed?
Potential investors methinks. Style over content. But I don't
understand why the (previously excellent) technical information is no
longer there. These people sell *real* chips, but from the WebSite
you'd think they were just hype merchants. They're not; I've had twenty
production PSC1000A chips working in real PCBs for a few months now.
They cost $25 each ($10 in quantity) and were delivered to the UK within
3 days of the order, as were the prototype chips. The full manual is
excellent and what little technical support I've needed has been quick
and thorough.
I just picked up my copy of 'Electronics World' (February edition) and
by chance the leader also rails against the hype on some technical
WebSites. It seems PTSC are not the only ones.
Cheers
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Keith Wootten
Michael Coughlin
> In article <3A5654C7...@ieee.org>,
> Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> writes
> >If it's not worth reading, why care? I should think it
> >elementary that technical people don't turn to technical
> >web sites for entertainment, nor will supposed
> >entertainment cause them to abandon their critical
> >judgment about the merits of a product. Sexy ads may
> >sell cars to the general public, but I doubt that they
> >sell spark plugs to the car makers. At whom are these
> >pitches aimed?
> Potential investors methinks. Style over content.
> But I don't understand why the (previously excellent)
> technical information is no longer there. These people
> sell *real* chips, but from the WebSite you'd think they
> were just hype merchants. They're not; I've had twenty
> production PSC1000A chips working in real PCBs for a few
> months now.
> They cost $25 each ($10 in quantity) and were delivered to
> the UK within 3 days of the order, as were the prototype
> chips. The full manual is excellent and what little
> technical support I've needed has been quick and thorough.
The web pages work fine with my old computer and old browser
(Netscape 4.0.8). They look very slick and colorful. But what
alarms me is the total absence of anything about Forth! They say
there is lots of development software for Java and C, but not
even a mention about Forth. Have they managed to change the
instruction set so it is no longer optimized for Forth? Or are
they just afraid to be associated with a wild bunch of anarchist
Forth programmers?
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Michael Coughlin m-cou...@ne.mediaone.net Cambridge, MA USA
Keith Wootten
coug...@ne.mediaone.net> writes
[snipped]
> The web pages work fine with my old computer and old browser
>(Netscape 4.0.8). They look very slick and colorful. But what
>alarms me is the total absence of anything about Forth! They say
>there is lots of development software for Java and C, but not
>even a mention about Forth. Have they managed to change the
>instruction set so it is no longer optimized for Forth? Or are
>they just afraid to be associated with a wild bunch of anarchist
>Forth programmers?
The PSC1000A hasn't changed and it's still very much a Forth chip with
many single cycle Forth primitives. They still have the older 5V
PSC1000, and Ignite1 is simply a board which uses the PSC1000A.
Originally, their WebSite barely mentioned Forth, but after a re-design,
Forth became a little more prominent and there was a link to Forth Inc's
site. Now they appear to have lost all mention of Forth along with
technical data.
Even the opcode mnemonics in the manual avoid Forth. 'dup' is called
'push', 'drop' is called 'pop', 'rot' is called 'rev', 'swap is called
'xchg' and so on, so it would seem that Patriot intended to hide the
chip's lineage from the beginning.
Cheers
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Keith Wootten