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Peter da Silva
GURPS is the OS/2 of game systems.
If you can't fit all the important rules and tables on a 3x5 card, you have
too many rules.
The only game system worth playing is The Fantasy Trip, back when Steve
Jackson was having fun. Somehow he doesn't seem to be having fun any more.
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Coyt D Watters
In article <OKV...@taronga.com> pe...@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>D&D is the Fortran of game systems.
Venerable, portable, and with a hell of an efficient compiler and a lot of
support!
>
>GURPS is the OS/2 of game systems.
Overblown, and requires too many resources for the average user.
>
>If you can't fit all the important rules and tables on a 3x5 card, you have
>too many rules.
With a good photocopier, you can get a lot of pages on a 3x5.
Only need one rule: The GM has the final word!
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John F. Sasso
>
>>
>>If you can't fit all the important rules and tables on a 3x5 card, you have
>>too many rules.
>
>With a good photocopier, you can get a lot of pages on a 3x5.
>
>Only need one rule: The GM has the final word!
>
If simplicity is the rule, then why are you wasting your time with
clunky old D&D?
Try a *fun* game like Tunnels and Trolls (and yes, the T&T character
sheet IS a 3x5 index card!), or Melee/Wizard/TFT (most of my best
TFT characters on 3x5's).
D&D on a 3x5? Hardly!
Where would you put your arbitrary saving roll numbers?
Or your 14 languages?
Or your spell book lists?
Or your weapon proficiencies?
Or your weapon vs armor special hit bonus chart?
Or your weapon speed descriptions?
Or your ...
I think you get the idea. :-)
HEY. I think I like this group!!!!!!
jfs
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pe...@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
|> D&D is the Fortran of game systems.
|>
|> GURPS is the OS/2 of game systems.
|>
|> If you can't fit all the important rules and tables on a 3x5 card, you have
|> too many rules.
Does that mean that any game where you can fit the important rules and
tables on one card is COBOL?
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Brian Brunner
If you can't fit all the important rules and
tables on a 3x5 card, you have too many rules.
So (barring 3x5 cards written in micro-dot style)
having a magic system, or a combat system, or a character generation system
or a character reward/award progression/evolution system, or anything
else for that matter, renders the game overburdened with rules!
So, I hereby announce (sorry, not crossposting to *.announce)
SUGARWOLF
the happy people role playing game
inspired by Happy People everywhere
RULE 1: LETS JUST PLAY!
RULE 2: NO MORE RULES!
it fits on your typical 3x5 and is available for ONLY $19.95
send S.A.S.E. with money order to
well... that would be misusenet, so I desist.
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Jon W{tte
YAY YAY! Flamewar flamewar!
I just say: My Mac Quadra blows away your Amiga. Oops, wrong
group :-)
In article <OKV...@taronga.com> pe...@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>D&D is the Fortran of game systems.
Venerable, portable, and with a hell of an efficient compiler and a lot of
support!
And the ability to shoot yourself in the foot without even trying.
>GURPS is the OS/2 of game systems.
Overblown, and requires too many resources for the average user.
Hey, there's nothing wrong with OS/2. I like MacOS better, though
(== HERO)
>If you can't fit all the important rules and tables on a 3x5 card, you have
>too many rules.
With a good photocopier, you can get a lot of pages on a 3x5.
Microfiche ?
Or, a 3.5" optical drive; LOTS of rules, even if you put them in
HyperCard stacks.
Only need one rule: The GM has the final word!
Yes, and we've run rule-less on occasion. Great for long trips
for instance.
However: over to advocacy !
I THINK MORE PEOPLE SHOULD USE COMPUTERS AS GM AIDS. Maybe
they do, but there's awfully little to help out in computerized
aid. All I know about is a tool to simulate lots of dice called
Dragon Dice Tool, and my HP 48 can do that....
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>
> >If you can't fit all the important rules and tables on a 3x5 card, you have
> >too many rules.
>
> With a good photocopier, you can get a lot of pages on a 3x5.
>
>Microfiche ?
>
I keep my D&D characters on 3x5's (about 6 apiece, that is).
>However: over to advocacy !
>
>I THINK MORE PEOPLE SHOULD USE COMPUTERS AS GM AIDS. Maybe
>they do, but there's awfully little to help out in computerized
>aid. All I know about is a tool to simulate lots of dice called
>Dragon Dice Tool, and my HP 48 can do that....
>
I've been using GeoWorks Ensemble for a while and have created a background
screen consisting of several tables. This is especially useful when designing
modules and such. All in living color!
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Patrick Rannou
If simplicity is the rule, then why are you wasting your time with
clunky old D&D?
Try a *fun* game like Tunnels and Trolls (and yes, the T&T character
sheet IS a 3x5 index card!), or Melee/Wizard/TFT (most of my best
TFT characters on 3x5's).
D&D on a 3x5? Hardly!
Where would you put your arbitrary saving roll numbers?
Or your 14 languages?
Or your spell book lists?
Or your weapon proficiencies?
Or your weapon vs armor special hit bonus chart?
Or your weapon speed descriptions?
Or your ...
I think you get the idea. :-)
I think then that cmeans that:
T&T characters DON'T have:
languages, many spells, proficiencies, etc...
Anbd now you try to tell me playing an underdefined character can be FUN?
Guh.
Go back play "let's pretend" in your backyard with your little friends. Me,
I'll stick to well defined games (with lots o superflous details) any day.
Paradak.
I like groups where you can flame at will...
Chris 'Canuck' Alexander
MY GOD!! there are Fantasy Trip fans out there!
So I'm not the only one then?
Goody!
Best game ever made was T.F.T.
Chris.
'Flame war? what Flame war?'
26554-wood
Great name, there. There are fans, and then there are _FANS_. Anyone
else still have a (very much worn...) 1st edition of Melee? Purple on
white counters and cover....
Remember when there were only _two_ stats?
GURPS is pretty good, though. Problem is, I haven't been playing any
games much, since it came out.
Chris
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John F. Sasso
>In article <1992May28....@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> cca...@ccsun.strath.ac.uk (Chris 'Canuck' Alexander) writes:
>
>>MY GOD!! there are Fantasy Trip fans out there!
>>So I'm not the only one then?
>>Goody!
>>Best game ever made was T.F.T.
>
>>Chris.
>>'Flame war? what Flame war?'
>
>Great name, there. There are fans, and then there are _FANS_. Anyone
>else still have a (very much worn...) 1st edition of Melee? Purple on
>white counters and cover....
>
And remember who did the art on the beautiful DeathTest (1) counters?
Hint: Think T&T!
Also, I lost my copy of first edition Wizard. I'm told that there's
an anotomically correct Gargoyle (male :-)) on the front cover.
Sigh. I must have been young if I don't remember this!
>Remember when there were only _two_ stats?
Almost true. Movement was also very important.
>
>GURPS is pretty good, though. Problem is, I haven't been playing any
>games much, since it came out.
>
I'd rather play TFT.
Or T&T.
John F. Sasso
>In article <1992May27....@mcs.anl.gov> sa...@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso) writes:
>
> If simplicity is the rule, then why are you wasting your time with
> clunky old D&D?
> Try a *fun* game like Tunnels and Trolls (and yes, the T&T character
> sheet IS a 3x5 index card!), or Melee/Wizard/TFT (most of my best
> TFT characters on 3x5's).
>
>T&T characters DON'T have:
>languages, many spells, proficiencies, etc...
>Anbd now you try to tell me playing an underdefined character can be FUN?
>Guh.
>Go back play "let's pretend" in your backyard with your little friends. Me,
>I'll stick to well defined games (with lots o superflous details) any day.
>
Tunnels and Trolls is more like a Zen experience.
You don't think that RPG's are "pretend?"
OH NO! Stay out of the steam tunnels, boyo! :-)
John F. Sasso
>
>
>So I'm not the only one then?
>Goody!
>
>Best game ever made was T.F.T.
>
WRONG!!!
Best game ever is Tunnels and Trolls!
(I have my own flamewar going at the moment on this...)
TFT is *SECOND* best RPG. Definately better than GURPS!
(Duck, parry, dodge...who threw those 15mm miniatures at me??!?!!)
Stein Kulseth FBA
|>
|> pe...@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
|>
|> |> D&D is the Fortran of game systems.
|> |>
|> |> GURPS is the OS/2 of game systems.
|> |>
|> |> If you can't fit all the important rules and tables on a 3x5 card, you have
|> |> too many rules.
|>
|> Does that mean that any game where you can fit the important rules and
|> tables on one card is COBOL?
|>
No, it's APL
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A.J.C. Blyth
|>group :-)
But a real machine is a sinlcair spectum with a cray XMP as a front end....:-)
But on a more serious note folks......
|>I THINK MORE PEOPLE SHOULD USE COMPUTERS AS GM AIDS. Maybe
|>they do, but there's awfully little to help out in computerized
|>aid. All I know about is a tool to simulate lots of dice called
|>Dragon Dice Tool, and my HP 48 can do that....
Has anyone seen any good FRP games on a computer....
Andrew
Liam R. E. Quin
> too many rules.
Agreed.
But then, my own game system (A4) doesn't have rules, except a couple of
simple ones for character creation.
On the other hand, it doesn't support combat. Doesn't seem to matter.
I have some game session logs somewhere if anyone is interested...
Lee
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Eric Peterson
> In article <OKV...@taronga.com> pe...@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
> >D&D is the Fortran of game systems.
>
> Venerable, portable, and with a hell of an efficient compiler and a lot of
> support!
>
>And the ability to shoot yourself in the foot without even trying.
>
> >GURPS is the OS/2 of game systems.
>
> Overblown, and requires too many resources for the average user.
>
>Hey, there's nothing wrong with OS/2. I like MacOS better, though
>(== HERO)
Aaah, and Rolemaster is what, C? BSD?
> >If you can't fit all the important rules and tables on a 3x5 card, you have
> >too many rules.
>
> With a good photocopier, you can get a lot of pages on a 3x5.
>
>Microfiche ?
>
>Or, a 3.5" optical drive; LOTS of rules, even if you put them in
>HyperCard stacks.
This could help things out greatly...
> Only need one rule: The GM has the final word!
>
>Yes, and we've run rule-less on occasion. Great for long trips
>for instance.
But, but...rule-less is FUN! What would you want to go and do that for?
>However: over to advocacy !
>
>I THINK MORE PEOPLE SHOULD USE COMPUTERS AS GM AIDS. Maybe
>they do, but there's awfully little to help out in computerized
>aid. All I know about is a tool to simulate lots of dice called
>Dragon Dice Tool, and my HP 48 can do that....
Most people are too lazy to write something up to keep them lazy.
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>h++ - new and improved !
>
>A Bus Station is where buses stop. A Train Station is where
>trains stop. On my desk, there is a Work Station.
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Dustin Lee Laurence
>In article <D88-JWA.92...@dront.nada.kth.se> d88...@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) writes:
>> In article <OKV...@taronga.com> pe...@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>> >D&D is the Fortran of game systems.
>>
>> >GURPS is the OS/2 of game systems.
>>
>>Hey, there's nothing wrong with OS/2. I like MacOS better, though
>>(== HERO)
>Aaah, and Rolemaster is what, C? BSD?
No. It's clearly the COBOL of game systems.
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