Micky Thanks Davy For Refusing To Tour
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'Aida' connections
Monkees' Dolenz and 'Lion King's' Nala (Paulette Ivory) starring in
Orange County performances
By Alessandra Djurklou
Staff writer
WHAT DO A WEDDING singer and a Monkee have in common?
Well, they both star in the national tour of Disney's "Aida," ' which
stops at the Orange County Performing Arts Center Wednesday through
July 13.
With music by Elton John and lyrics by Tim Rice, "Aida" ' is the story
of star-crossed lovers in ancient Egypt. It is the pop version of the
classic Verdi opera by the same name, and this version circles around
a Nubian princess who is enslaved by the Egyptians. During her ordeal,
Aida falls in love with the captain of the Egyptian army, Radames, and
he with her, but their romance is too politically fraught to end
happily.
In the touring cast, Aida is played by British actress Paulette Ivory.
Ivory has a long list of West End theater credits (she played Nala in
the London premiere of "The Lion King" ') and was on the working-class
Brit soap "East Enders." '
But international audiences may be most familiar with her (without
even knowing it) from the hit movie "Four Weddings and a Funeral." '
"I was the second wedding singer," ' said Ivory of her part in the
early '90s comedy that helped launch Hugh Grant's career.
The small part was also her first link to "Aida" ' composer Elton
John.
"My credit (in the film) was right after Elton John" s,'' said Ivory.
"That was my claim to fame." '
With "Aida," ' Ivory's name is just as close to John's, but one gets
the feeling the famed sunglasses-sporting musician may be paying more
attention to it now.
For Ivory, it is a chance to play a character she really enjoys.
"She" s a very strong, very passionate woman,'' Ivory said. "I
identify with her very much. I" ve been in that situation, where I've
fallen for someone I shouldn't have.''
Landing the part was a direct result of Ivory's previous work on a
Disney musical. Insiders who had seen her work as Nala encouraged her
to go see "Aida." '
Ivory said she was "blown away" ' by the production, and decided to
try her luck at the lead role in the national tour. Her final audition
was scheduled for Sept. 11.
"That was canceled," ' Ivory said. "I had another audition a few days
later." '
She got the part, "but obviously, I couldn" t celebrate.''
Playing the part since is celebration enough.
"People have come up to me and said, 'I" m so moved,' '' Ivory said.
"It" s the best reward I could get.''
But Ivory isn't the only cast member who got her start in a pop
culture smash.
The role of Zoser, Radames' ambitious father and the biggest obstacle
to the couple's love affair, is played by Micky Dolenz.
Yes, the same Micky Dolenz who played the drums in '60s sitcom "The
Monkees," ' about a manufactured boy band that far pre-dates the likes
of 'N Sync.
Zoser, though, is as far as you can get from the carefree Micky of the
Monkees.
"He" s the bad guy, he's the villain in the piece,'' Dolenz said. "He"
s plotting to have his son take over the throne. It is a thrill to be
doing such a role.''
And as far as Dolenz is concerned, it is not such a stretch -- though
fans who are used to him as a madcap percussionist may find it a bit
jarring -- since it is really just a return to his acting roots.
"Before I was in 'The Monkees," I was cast a lot as the bad guy, the
bad kid, the delinquent,'' said Dolenz, who had his first screen test
at age 6, and whose parents were both actors.
That penchant for villainy could have cost him his Monkee suit if it
hadn't been for the fact that Dolenz had left acting a few years
before to pursue a college career as an architect.
"It really struck a chord," ' Dolenz said. "I was going to fall back
on show biz if I couldn" t make it as an architect.''
But then, the "Monkees" ' audition came along.
The part became so iconic that Dolenz and two fellow Monkees actually
turned into a real band, which still tours the country giving
concerts.
In fact, Dolenz would not even have played Zoser if it hadn't been for
Monkee Davy Jones' refusal to tour this summer.
"I" ve thanked him a number of times,'' Dolenz said. "Not only is it a
great musical, but a great part." '
But Dolenz has always had other projects than the Monkees on his plate
-- apart from the occasional musical (he's also done "Grease" ' and "A
Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum" '), he produces and
directs.
"I" m either a renaissance man or a dilettante,'' he said. "I" ve
never been able to sit still.''
Alessandra Djurklou can be reached at (562) 499-1252 or by e-mail at
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Shorty Blackwell
> "I was going to fall back
> on show biz if I couldn" t make it as an architect.''
That's nice.
Mickys411
quite funny
laura
Katie
>
>
> 'Aida' connections
> Monkees' Dolenz and 'Lion King's' Nala (Paulette Ivory) starring in
> Orange County performances
> By Alessandra Djurklou
> Staff writer
>
> In fact, Dolenz would not even have played Zoser if it hadn't been for
> Monkee Davy Jones' refusal to tour this summer.
>
> "I" ve thanked him a number of times,'' Dolenz said. "Not only is it a
> great musical, but a great part."
Ha ha! Micky's awesome! :-)
EJ
says...
And when Peter declined to tour because HE had other things to do Micky fired him...
Funny how his perspective changed when HE had something else to do. I wonder if the
others would have fired HIM if AIDA had come along then and HE declined to tour...
EJ
~to~
>And when Peter declined to tour because HE had other things to do Micky fired him...
>
>Funny how his perspective changed when HE had something else to do. I wonder if the
>others would have fired HIM if AIDA had come along then and HE declined to tour...
I think it was Davy who decided he had something better to do. The
2kees were going to tour this summer, then Jones pulled out, leaving
Micky without a gig for the summer. So, he found a new one.
I'd imagine he thanks Davy in the same way I would "thank" a former bf
for dumping me, so I could meet my husband. ;)
-to-
EJ
monkDELeef...@yahDELhoo.com says...
Sally Carpenter
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> "Before I was in 'The Monkees," I was cast a lot as the bad guy, the
> bad kid, the delinquent,'' said Dolenz, who had his first screen test
> at age 6, and whose parents were both actors.
He's exaggerating a little. He didn't have many PMS roles
except for Circus Boy where he plays a nice kid. He did play a "bad guy" in
3 episodes of the "Peyton Place" TV series where he got beat up in a fight
with Ryan O'Neal.
>
> In fact, Dolenz would not even have played Zoser if it hadn't been for
> Monkee Davy Jones' refusal to tour this summer.
Micky's out of his mind if he thought 2kees should have toured
this year, especially since 3kees toured 2 years ago and 2kees did it last
year to smaller venues and audiences. I saw a 2kees show last year, and my
opinion is that the guys were running on autopilot. It looked like two
separate solo shows going on--one guy sang while the other played an
instrument and they hardly spoke to or interacted with each other on stage.
Decent show, but 3kees is better.
>
> But Dolenz has always had other projects than the Monkees on his plate
> -- apart from the occasional musical (he's also done "Grease" ' and "A
> Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum" '), he produces and
> directs.
When is he going to produce or direct if he's all the road all
the time with Monkees or a play?
Katie
> In article <bffe120e.0307...@posting.google.com>, heartst...@yahoo.com
> says...
> > easywri...@yahoo.com (T.) wrote in message news:<14585c71.03070...@posting.google.com>...
> > > Article Published: Monday, June 30, 2003 - 11:37:39 AM PST
> > >
> > >
> > > 'Aida' connections
> > > Monkees' Dolenz and 'Lion King's' Nala (Paulette Ivory) starring in
> > > Orange County performances
> > > By Alessandra Djurklou
> > > Staff writer
>
> > >
> > > In fact, Dolenz would not even have played Zoser if it hadn't been for
> > > Monkee Davy Jones' refusal to tour this summer.
> > >
> > > "I" ve thanked him a number of times,'' Dolenz said. "Not only is it a
> > > great musical, but a great part."
> >
> > Ha ha! Micky's awesome! :-)
> >
>
> And when Peter declined to tour because HE had other things to do Micky fired him...
Do you know for a fact that it was soley Micky's decision? Or were
other people involved in Peter's leaving?
>
> Funny how his perspective changed when HE had something else to do. I wonder if the
> others would have fired HIM if AIDA had come along then and HE declined to tour...
>
>
> EJ
Personally, I found Micky's comment to be hilarious. Plus, I'm not a
fan of Davy Jones at all. I think that he's a little bit to full on
himself. JMO.
EJ
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> EJ <ev...@stargate.net> wrote in message news:<MPG.196e7e823...@news.stargate.net>...
> > In article <bffe120e.0307...@posting.google.com>, heartst...@yahoo.com
> > says...
> > > easywri...@yahoo.com (T.) wrote in message news:<14585c71.03070...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > Article Published: Monday, June 30, 2003 - 11:37:39 AM PST
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 'Aida' connections
> > > > Monkees' Dolenz and 'Lion King's' Nala (Paulette Ivory) starring in
> > > > Orange County performances
> > > > By Alessandra Djurklou
> > > > Staff writer
> >
> > > >
> > > > In fact, Dolenz would not even have played Zoser if it hadn't been for
> > > > Monkee Davy Jones' refusal to tour this summer.
> > > >
> > > > "I" ve thanked him a number of times,'' Dolenz said. "Not only is it a
> > > > great musical, but a great part."
> > >
> > > Ha ha! Micky's awesome! :-)
> > >
> >
> > And when Peter declined to tour because HE had other things to do Micky fired him...
>
> Do you know for a fact that it was soley Micky's decision? Or were
> other people involved in Peter's leaving?
>
According to the story as reported the decidion to fire Peter was made before the
recording of the live concert CD and the DVD, but was not done until AFTER those were
done. And, also according to the stort, Micky is the one who did the actual firing though
I;m sure he wasn't the only one who made the decision. But my point wasnt really that
Micky fired Peter, it was that when HE had something HE wanted to do it was perfectly
fine that someone else didn't care to tour. In other words, it all depends on where you
stand. I'm not a great fan of Davy's either, but more because I don't care for his
performing style/material than anything else, but I always thought better of him and of
Micky than their behavior showed in that particular incident. It was not one of theor
finest hours.
~to~
>Or he's being sarcastic...
Well, sure, I think anytime anyone says "thanks for being a jerk,"
there's sarcasm involved. The sarcasm in this example is eclipsed by a
big helping of the "neener neeners." "Thanks for being a jerk. As a
result, I got your dream job. Neener neener."
I laughed. :)
-to-
Jan
> Micky fired Peter, it was that when HE had something HE wanted to do it
was perfectly
> fine that someone else didn't care to tour. In other words, it all depends
on where you
> stand. I'm not a great fan of Davy's either, but more because I don't care
for his
> performing style/material than anything else, but I always thought better
of him and of
> Micky than their behavior showed in that particular incident. It was not
one of theor
> finest hours.
Nor was it Peter's finest hour to lower himself to talk to the National
Enquirer. Payback was worse than crime in my opinion.
Jan
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Celine
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Well, I didn't laugh but it did make me think about why David doesn't reach
higher for the things he claims he wants...like that elusive Broadway part.
He's talked for years about returning to the theater. So what's stopping
him? Is he waiting for some big shot in the industry to approach him with an
offer to play the leading character in a Broadway play? I might be
presumptuous by saying this, but maybe he should actually try auditioning
for a part he wants or at least one that might lead to something bigger. And
playing "Davy Jones" is not what I mean. He supposedly did well playing
Jesus Christ and Fagin, but those were years ago. I think he is so afraid
of failure that he settles for what's familiar.
Celine
Sally Carpenter
> >
> > And when Peter declined to tour because HE had other things to do Micky
fired him...
>
> Do you know for a fact that it was soley Micky's decision? Or were
> other people involved in Peter's leaving?
Micky's the one who took responsibility for the action. He
wrote a letter to the fans that went out over email and MBF in which he
states that he fired Peter. I'm sure he discussed it with Fishoff and Davy.
Don't know if they were willing to let Pete finish out the last two shows,
or if Micky insisted that Peter be dismissed right away. We may never know
the whole story.
>
> >
> > Funny how his perspective changed when HE had something else to do. I
wonder if the
> > others would have fired HIM if AIDA had come along then and HE declined
to tour...
I saw Aida today. All I can say is, Micky better enjoy it while
he can. I love the man, but he can't act! He plays himself on stage, or at
least a variation of his role from "Invisible Mom 2." He walks and moves as
himself, or at least as I've seen him do in TV roles, and during the songs
he waggles his head as I've seen him do at Monkees concerts. The first time
he spoke on stage, I unintentially laughed out loud! He looked out of place
next to the professionally trained actors. So the acting roles may not be
pouring in after this. Then again, the man can really sing. He did a fine
job belting out the songs, although I wasn't sitting close enough to see if
he squinted as he sang (which he usually does).
Jan
"Celine" <ciss...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Well, I didn't laugh but it did make me think about why David doesn't
reach
> higher for the things he claims he wants...like that elusive Broadway
part.
> He's talked for years about returning to the theater. So what's stopping
> him? Is he waiting for some big shot in the industry to approach him with
an
> offer to play the leading character in a Broadway play? I might be
> presumptuous by saying this, but maybe he should actually try auditioning
> for a part he wants or at least one that might lead to something bigger.
And
> playing "Davy Jones" is not what I mean. He supposedly did well playing
> Jesus Christ and Fagin, but those were years ago. I think he is so afraid
> of failure that he settles for what's familiar.
>
> Celine
>
be with his horses. Working 2 days a week for many years would spoil
anyone. And somehow I can't see him playing something like the character of
Zoser.
Since he's moved to Florida, I think his whole mind-set has changed. It was
different when he was close to New York and it was cold weather alot. Now
he's down there with a beach calling, horses to tend to, and a girlfriend to
entertain.
jan
Jan
"Sally Carpenter" <starco...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Micky's the one who took responsibility for the action.
He
> wrote a letter to the fans that went out over email and MBF in which he
> states that he fired Peter. I'm sure he discussed it with Fishoff and
Davy.
> Don't know if they were willing to let Pete finish out the last two shows,
> or if Micky insisted that Peter be dismissed right away. We may never
know
> the whole story.
>
story? Then we'll know.
Jan
Sally Carpenter
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>
> Well, I didn't laugh but it did make me think about why David doesn't
reach
> higher for the things he claims he wants...like that elusive Broadway
part.
> He's talked for years about returning to the theater. So what's stopping
> him? Is he waiting for some big shot in the industry to approach him with
an
> offer to play the leading character in a Broadway play? I might be
> presumptuous by saying this, but maybe he should actually try auditioning
> for a part he wants or at least one that might lead to something bigger.
And
> playing "Davy Jones" is not what I mean. He supposedly did well playing
> Jesus Christ and Fagin, but those were years ago. I think he is so afraid
> of failure that he settles for what's familiar.
Lead roles in modern Broadway plays are generally young lovers,
or at least young actors, so Davy wouldn't be cast in such a role even if he
begged. However, there are plenty of supporting roles as well as
Off-Broadway and surely Davy could make connections to produce a play of his
choice. I read in MBF that Davy was offered roles, but he turned them down
so he could work with his horses. Well, he can't have both. Acting and
horses both take a huge committment of time and energy. If he wants to be a
horseman, that's wonderful, but if he chooses horses he should stop fussing
about Broadway.
For the record, Micky didn't go looking for the Aida role. A
producer or someone connected with the show attended a Micky concert (not
sure if it was a solo show or Monkees) and was impressed when Micky did his
"Some Enchanted Evening" bit and "If I Fell For You." I believe the
producer approached Micky, possibly when an opening came up in the current
touring company. I say this because when I ordered my ticket, I wanted to
confirm that he would indeed be in the show and the box office told me he
wasn't in the cast list!!! I was shocked!!! This was the first the BO
heard of him. They asked me, "where did you hear that?" and I said, "It's
all over the internet!" The box office checked and said they apparently had
an "old' cast list. Since Micky was officially cast in January, that cast
list was only a few months outdated.
I also read in MBF that Davy was writing a Broadway musical. So
when does he plan to finish it? Since he made that announcement, I've
written a full length play and most of a novel. Considering he doesn't need
a "day job" and can afford to be a man of leisure (unlike the rest of us),
he could have that musical complete by now. Maybe it will be finished the
same time he opens that museum he's talked about for ages. LOL
Celine
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> I don't think he wants the daily work. If he's touring like that he can't
> be with his horses. Working 2 days a week for many years would spoil
> anyone. And somehow I can't see him playing something like the character
of
> Zoser.
>
> Since he's moved to Florida, I think his whole mind-set has changed. It
was
> different when he was close to New York and it was cold weather alot. Now
> he's down there with a beach calling, horses to tend to, and a girlfriend
to
> entertain.
>
> jan
You are probably right on, but what stopped him before the move to Florida?
He talked for years about doing that play he was writing...where did it go?
Why didn't he work harder to make that work? It's not a critisism of David,
just wondering what held him back in following what he said was his dream.
To answer my own question, perhaps the horse thing overtook the stage thing.
You think?
Celine
Jan
>
>
> You are probably right on, but what stopped him before the move to
Florida?
> He talked for years about doing that play he was writing...where did it
go?
> Why didn't he work harder to make that work? It's not a critisism of
David,
> just wondering what held him back in following what he said was his dream.
> To answer my own question, perhaps the horse thing overtook the stage
thing.
> You think?
>
> Celine
>
almost never finished anything...just jumped from one thing and one idea to
the next. That's why it took him so long to re-write his book. He just
wasn't focused. Now, he's invested so much in the PA stuff...the house,
extra land and house, museum, etc. And he's in Florida all the time and
doesn't need it. And yeah, I think the horse thing has overpowered every
other ambition. Just wish he would win more often...:-)
Jan
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> I read in MBF that Davy was offered roles, but he turned them down
> so he could work with his horses. Well, he can't have both. Acting and
> horses both take a huge committment of time and energy. If he wants to be
a
> horseman, that's wonderful, but if he chooses horses he should stop
fussing
> about Broadway.
>
I agree. No more Broadway talk, Mr.Jones. And don't be mad at Micky either!
Celine
Stella
I believe it was Micky behind the whole thing, Davy didnt care either
way if Peter got fired, actually Davy thought Peter should've finished
those last two shows, Micky was the one who said if Peter showed up to
those 2 final shows they wouldnt. Peter shouldn't have gone to the
tabloids though that is true but if he was feeling hurt and bitter to
them i guess i cant blame him. I know Davy and Peter had their
problems too but i always thought it was more between Micky and Peter
than Davy and Peter. Do you think they still talk to each other?
Probably not.
Katie
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> > When is he going to produce or direct if he's all the road all
> > the time with Monkees or a play?
>
> I believe it was Micky behind the whole thing, Davy didnt care either
> way if Peter got fired, actually Davy thought Peter should've finished
> those last two shows, Micky was the one who said if Peter showed up to
> those 2 final shows they wouldnt. Peter shouldn't have gone to the
> tabloids though that is true but if he was feeling hurt and bitter to
> them i guess i cant blame him. I know Davy and Peter had their
> problems too but i always thought it was more between Micky and Peter
> than Davy and Peter. Do you think they still talk to each other?
> Probably not.
Did the guys ever get along as friends? They all seem so different
that I just assumed not.
The reasons behind Peter's firing may not 'solely' be because he
wasn't going to sign another contract. It wasn't very cool of him to
go to The National Enquirer with the story either. Then again, if he
were mad and angry, I don't blame him. I'm sure that the 'real' story
behind Peter's firing will never see the light of day.
I had no idea that Davy Jones re-wrote his book. Ha! Talk about
trying to squeeze every last dollar out of his celebrity.
Katie
What will Davy's museum be about? The Monkees? Himself? Horses?
If Davy is writing a play, there is absolutely no guarantee that it
will actually be on Broadway.
EJ
On the other hand both Davy and Micky have used the tabloids to their advantage many
times (Davy especially is fond of he press).
But in truth the reasons for the firing aren't relevent...its the firing ITSELF that
created the problem. Micky took the "credit" for the firing which was even less cool than
Peter talking to a tabloid. They have all had their less than sterling moments, and the
firing was NOT one of Micky's best.He did it, he SAID he did it, it was mean-spirited,
vindictive and entirely unnecessary, and didn't put him in a great light. And yes, there
were probably other factors but the fact remains that WHATEVER THE REASONS the contract
would have run out in a very short time (a week or so), they had known from day 1 of the
tour that Peter would be leaving at that time, they had managed to contain themselves
long enough to get the CD/DVD taped (and therefore they didnt need him anymore) so the
firing was gratuitous and unnecessary nastiness. By simply allowing the contract to end
it would have been over, Micky wouldn't have given himself a black eye and the entire
mess would have been avoided. Whoever decided on the course of action that was taken made
a very bad decision that needlessly left a lot of bad feeling behind. If they wanted
Peter gone all they had to do was wait a few more days. It really was that simple.
Ptlindacas
Feed, vet care, farriers, training, various pieces of equipment that are needed
for the horses. When there are several animals involved as I know that Davy has
quite a few horses, the cost is up there.
>I don't think he wants the daily work. If he's touring like that he can't
>be with his horses. Working 2 days a week for many years would spoil
>anyone. And somehow I can't see him playing something like the character of
>Zoser.
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>Since he's moved to Florida, I think his whole mind-set has changed. It was
>different when he was close to New York and it was cold weather alot. Now
>he's down there with a beach calling, horses to tend to, and a girlfriend to
>entertain.
>
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That is so old news.
>Nor was it Peter's finest hour to lower himself to talk to the National
>Enquirer. Payback was worse than crime in my opinion.
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up?
>Why don't you ask Peter to go tell the National Enquirer the rest of the
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Ptlindacas
or the other way around. Didn't he do that once before during another Monkee
tour?
> When is he going to produce or direct if he's all the road all
>the time with Monkees or a play?
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>ITSELF that
>created the problem. Micky took the "credit" for the firing which was even
>less cool than
>Peter talking to a tabloid. They have all had their less than sterling
>moments,
Isn't that the truth. The whole incident could have been handled better. Micky
allowed himself to strike back as one of the reasons he stated about the firing
was that there were many projects were in the works. Problem is that , that
these projects were promised for a few years<the movie to name one>
and the
>firing was NOT one of Micky's best.He did it, he SAID he did it, it was
>mean-spirited,
>vindictive and entirely unnecessary, and didn't put him in a great light.
It reminded me quite a bit of the children , I was in charge of, as a nanny. I
would hear, I don't like how you are playing, they take their toys and go home.
And
>yes, there
>were probably other factors but the fact remains that WHATEVER THE REASONS
>the contract
>would have run out in a very short time (a week or so), they had known from
>day 1 of the
>tour that Peter would be leaving at that time, they had managed to contain
>themselves
>long enough to get the CD/DVD taped (and therefore they didnt need him
>anymore)
That is the impression, I got as well.
so the
>firing was gratuitous and unnecessary nastiness. By simply allowing the
>contract to end
>it would have been over, Micky wouldn't have given himself a black eye and
>the entire
>mess would have been avoided.
I have no wish to go to anything dealing with Micky. He acted just like a
spoiled child in doing what he did.
Whoever decided on the course of action that
>was taken made
>a very bad decision that needlessly left a lot of bad feeling behind. If they
>wanted
>Peter gone all they had to do was wait a few more days. It really was that
>simple.
Peter made it clear, that it was not his choice but that of Micky and Davy for
him not showing up for the last two shows and if he didn't wish to resign the
contract after the one he was one ran out, was his business.
DMDMF
Jan
"Ptlindacas" <ptlin...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030706132955...@mb-m21.aol.com...
> He still needs a steady income as it costs lots of money when there are
horses.
> Feed, vet care, farriers, training, various pieces of equipment that are
needed
> for the horses. When there are several animals involved as I know that
Davy has
> quite a few horses, the cost is up there.
>
bills, it appears. When you make $8-10,000 a pop, you don't have to work 7
days a week. He's been getting by like that for quite a while.
Jan
Jan
> Peter has apologized for that. He has moved on as well as everyone else
has.
> That is so old news.
It's the same "OLD NEWS" as Micky and David firing him and the alcohol
involvement. As long as that is worthy of bringing up, it should be
countered with what Peter did as well.
Jan
> Why don't you see if Davy can help from AA? This is so old. Why do you
bring it
> up?
As far as I'm concerned, and apparently most people that are involved with
David, he doesn't NEED help from the AA. If you and Peter want to say that,
knock yourself out...it doesn't make it so. David looks good, looks
healthy, works when he wants and if he (or Micky) want to drink, that is
their business and their right to do so.
And as to it being old, read the last post.
Jan
> >Why don't you ask Peter to go tell the National Enquirer the rest of the
> >story? Then we'll know.
> >
---
T.
.....
> Did the guys ever get along as friends? They all seem so different
> that I just assumed not.
They did, and at different times it was a better scene than at other
times. Peter has told some delightfully funny stories about he and
Davy hanging out ( actually, he and Micky too, now that I think of it)
and he laughs every time he tells them. There's obviously some good
memories there somewhere. I've always said for an arranged marriage,
which is basically what these guys had, they really did okay with it
over the years. Despite plenty of personality problems they certainly
had a lot of success with something that could easily have been left
behind decades ago. Maybe it's all over now, but it sure had a good
run.
> I had no idea that Davy Jones re-wrote his book. Ha! Talk about
> trying to squeeze every last dollar out of his celebrity.
Well, there was a demand for it. Who can blame him?
T.
EJ
>Peter made it clear, that it was not his choice but that of Micky and Davy for
him not showing up for the last two shows and if he didn't wish to resign the
contract after the one he was one ran out, was his business.<
That's exactly my point. They had two shows left on that particular contract. After that
they would EACH have to renew or not. Once the contract was fulfilled that was it and
they all became free agents. If things were that bad and had BEEN that bad another week
or so would not have killed them. It would have ended quietly with everyone going his
separate way. No bad press, no bad feeling, no nothing. But that would have been too
easy...
Sometimes doing NOTHING really is the best thing to do.
Stella
I think all three Monkees acted like children not just Micky, they
should've just let Peter finish the tour, as far as the guys being
friends outside of work that i am not sure of i dont know how much
they socialize with each other if at all anymore. Maybe one day they
can put their egos aside and work together again but for now i think
it is best they go their seperate ways. I dont see anyone or the other
apologizing anytime soon!
Katie
> "Ptlindacas" <ptlin...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030706133218...@mb-m21.aol.com...
> > Why don't you see if Davy can help from AA? This is so old. Why do you
> bring it
> > up?
>
> As far as I'm concerned, and apparently most people that are involved with
> David, he doesn't NEED help from the AA. If you and Peter want to say that,
> knock yourself out...it doesn't make it so. David looks good, looks
> healthy, works when he wants and if he (or Micky) want to drink, that is
> their business and their right to do so.
>
> And as to it being old, read the last post.
Do all of the guys have drinking problems too?
==Daye==
wrote:
>Do all of the guys have drinking problems too?
Peter used to... he has been clean and sober for many years.
Davy is very much thought to have one. He has been arrested for
DUI on a couple of occasions.
Personally, I have never heard any such claims about Micky and
Mike. But I don't know. I am not friends with them.
--
==Daye==
E-mail: brendana AT labyrinth DOT net DOT au
Deidre
wrote:
>Actually, Renee has got him enough steady weekend concerts booked to pay his
>bills, it appears. When you make $8-10,000 a pop, you don't have to work 7
>days a week. He's been getting by like that for quite a while.
>
>Jan
Interesting. I had a quote from two years ago that Jonesy charged $20K
for a solo show.
At any rate, nice work if you can get it. <g>
Deidre
Jan
"Katie" <heartst...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bffe120e.03070...@posting.google.com...
>
> Do all of the guys have drinking problems too?
No...Peter is a recovering alcoholic. David and Micky like to drink. The
problem comes in from too many people making judgements when it isn't in
their right to do so.
Jan
Jan
"==Daye==" <da...@australia.edu> wrote in message
news:64bhgvolqv0nr89rm...@4ax.com...
> On 6 Jul 2003 16:14:50 -0700, heartst...@yahoo.com (Katie)
> wrote:
>
> >Do all of the guys have drinking problems too?
>
> Peter used to... he has been clean and sober for many years.
>
> Davy is very much thought to have one. He has been arrested for
> DUI on a couple of occasions.
>
was about 20 years ago. When he was broke, tired, and divorcing Anita. It
hasn't happened any time recently.
jan
Nadine Sandauer
> Do all of the guys have drinking problems too?
That's a sore topic 'round these parts. Peter used to have a drinking
problem... he's been clean
and sober since 1981 - that's 22 years no alcohol or drugs. Congrats to
him.
Now Davy on the other hand.... some of us think he is (me!), some of us deny
it... depends on which side
of the Davy Jones camp you're in. ;) He has been arrested 2 times for
drinking and driving in the '80s. You decide
if that's a problem or not.
Micky also drinks... to what extend, I really don't know. Some goes for
Nesmith.
ns
Sally Carpenter
"> >
> > As far as I'm concerned, and apparently most people that are involved
with
> > David, he doesn't NEED help from the AA. If you and Peter want to say
that,
> > knock yourself out...it doesn't make it so. David looks good, looks
> > healthy, works when he wants and if he (or Micky) want to drink, that is
> > their business and their right to do so.
Since I don't know Davy personally, I have no idea if he has
a drinking problem and I don't make any insinuations one way or the other.
However, one sign of alcoholism is denial, the refusal to admit that a
problem exists. That's why the first step in AA is admitting that one is an
alcoholic. One can still "look good" and "look healthy" and still drink to
excess. Drinking is one thing, but not when it interfers with work or ones
relationship with co-workers. A friend of mine has seen the Monkees perform
on numerous occassions, and a couple of times she thought one of them looked
hung over!! That's hearsay, so take it as you wish.
Estrella
> One can still "look good" and "look healthy" and still drink to
> excess. Drinking is one thing, but not when it interfers with work or ones
> relationship with co-workers. A friend of mine has seen the Monkees perform
> on numerous occassions, and a couple of times she thought one of them looked
> hung over!! That's hearsay, so take it as you wish.
The night before a Monkees convention, Davy was seen at a bar.
At the convention, Davy seemed a bit hung over. Since one doesn't
hear about him hitting the bottle in public much these days, he could
either no longer have a drinking problem or still have a drinking
problem but only drinks when it won't interfere with work.
Jan
"Estrella" <pac...@mailDELETEcity.com> wrote in message
news:3F08E3DA...@mailDELETEcity.com...
Anybody who drinks at all is going to occasionally have a hangover.
Actually one thing that usually separates an alcoholic from a non- is that a
big time alchy often does not suffer from hangovers. Also, they drink the
next day to get over the hangover.
I have no idea how often David drinks...how much he drinks, and neither does
ANYONE except perhaps Renee. David does not hide his appreciation for
alchohol, and the rest of band drinks all the time too. I know that people
who do not drink are too quick to label anyone who does as an alcoholic. I
went to Orlando and got inebriated 3 of the 5 nights we were there. I like
to drink.
I do it about 3 times a year. I'd do it more often if I didn't have to
suffer for a week afterwards. I'm about as far from being an alcoholic as I
am from being a nun.
Yes, I think that many alcoholics deny that they are alcoholics. I also
know that many drinkers are NOT alcoholics. And people who do not know them
have no business whatsoever saying that they are. Peter stopped drinking
because it nearly destroyed him. He considers himself an alcoholic because
of that. I don't see any evidence of any of the other guys having that
problem. They drink. They enjoy drinking. That is their business and
nobody elses.
Jan
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Samantha
> know that many drinkers are NOT alcoholics. And people who do not know
them
> have no business whatsoever saying that they are. Peter stopped drinking
Speaking from experiance, my husband got rid of all my alcohol and told me I
was on the wagon. I didn't think I had a problem until I got the shakes,
sweats, cold flashes and other little goodies we drunks get when we go on
the wagon cold turkey. That was my eye opener.
> because it nearly destroyed him. He considers himself an alcoholic
because
> of that. I don't see any evidence of any of the other guys having that
I have a tape of Peter talking about his drug and alcohol use at an AA
meeting. I learned a few new things about Mr. Thorkelson from that tape.
Anyone want a copy?
EJ
Or where no one sees him.
Alcoholics can be very creative when it comes to their drinking. Some function quite well
at work and get smashed afterwards. Being drunk 24/7 is not necessary for one to be an
alcoholid...and neither is beging drunk every day. It's not being able to control ones
drinking when one DOES drink.
Jan
"EJ" <ev...@stargate.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1972cd82b...@news.stargate.net...
> In article <3F08E3DA...@mailDELETEcity.com>,
pac...@mailDELETEcity.com says...
>
> Alcoholics can be very creative when it comes to their drinking. Some
function quite well
> at work and get smashed afterwards. Being drunk 24/7 is not necessary for
one to be an
> alcoholid...and neither is beging drunk every day. It's not being able to
control ones
> drinking when one DOES drink.
Well I guess that makes me a raging alcoholic then...cause about 3 times a
year I get knee-walking, dancing with the lamp shade rat-faced.. I don't
control it...don't try to control it. I just enjoy it. I guess I'd better
go get on my moped and pedal to the nearest AA meeting.
This is such utter bullshit. Reminds me of something I got in an email
today. "Going to church does not make you a Christian anymore than standing
in a garage make you a car".
Getting drunk does not make someone an alcoholic. Drinking often does not
make someone an alcoholic. A person who drinks may or may not be. You
don't KNOW what David does or does not do. You have no business trying to
pretend that you do, either.
Jan
Samantha
> make someone an alcoholic. A person who drinks may or may not be. You
> don't KNOW what David does or does not do. You have no business trying to
> pretend that you do, either.
An alcoholic is someone who can't get thru the day without a drink or four.
JanBitch ;)
I'm no longer get drunk because life is too short, and I'm not willing to
give up a day of my life for alcohol...
Many MANY alcoholics suffer from hangovers....but for some reason, they seem
to think that it's the 'flu...
JanBitch
JanBitch ;)
"Samantha" <Nezg...@rogersREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:FvaOa.88168$2ay....@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
There are the weekend bingers...some don't have to drink every day...They
just don't seem to be able to stop until they're shit-faced....
JanBitch
EJ
says...
>
>
>
> I'm no longer get drunk because life is too short, and I'm not willing to
> give up a day of my life for alcohol...
>
> Many MANY alcoholics suffer from hangovers....but for some reason, they seem
> to think that it's the 'flu.
Or they have been working too hard...or didn't sleep well...or...or...or....
Alcoholics most certainly DO get hangovers...and they do not always immediately drink to
cure it. Some alcohlics don't drink until the workday is over...but then they drink until
they can't hold anymore. Some don't drink until weekends....and spend two days virtually
unconscious....and some drink all the time. Some are very functional, and some not at
all. There are as many ways to be an alcoholic as there are alcoholics.
I saw Davy seriously hung over a couple times...he was crude, nasty and generally
miserable to people. It was not pleasant. But Davy didn't see himself that way, HE
thought he was being funny and amusing. That doesn't make him an alcoholic of course, and
it can happen on occasion to anyone who drinks. It's when it happens over and over that
it becomes a problem. And that's another thing--you don't have to be an alcoholic to have
a problem with alcohol. There are plenty of problem drinkers who aren't alcoholics but
who, nevertheless should not drink because when they do it causes problems for them.
I'd also say this...if someone has a problem and can deal with it themselves, good for
them. But alcohol is tough to beat...not least because its so readily available. Eric
Clapton no less told a friend of mine that compared to alcohol beatng drugs was a piece
of cake. There's no shame in getting help, and no one has the right to run down, make fun
of, or otherwise ridicule those who do--whether it be AA, a hospital program, a
community-based program or other means of assistance.
T.
> Or where no one sees him.
>
> Alcoholics can be very creative when it comes to their drinking. Some function quite well
> at work and get smashed afterwards. Being drunk 24/7 is not necessary for one to be an
> alcoholid...and neither is beging drunk every day. It's not being able to control ones
> drinking when one DOES drink.
Usually drinking is labeled a problem by those around the alcoholic
long before the drinker sees anything wrong with his/her behavior.
When it interferes with relationships, work or personal growth ( and a
lot of addictions can fall into that catagory, from gambling to drugs
to alcohol and so on) then there's a problem. What people decide to
do with their problems is always up to them, but most don't like
having this kind of thing pointed out to them, I've found. It seems to
make them fearful and mad. Addiction is a difficult thing to tackle.
Sometimes people tackle their addictions and are STILL assholes
afterwards...those are the ones I find hard to take! (-:
T.
EJ
says...
> EJ <ev...@stargate.net> wrote in message news:<MPG.19723d2b7...@news.stargate.net>...
>
> > That's exactly my point. They had two shows left on that particular contract. After that
> > they would EACH have to renew or not. Once the contract was fulfilled that was it and
> > they all became free agents. If things were that bad and had BEEN that bad another week
> > or so would not have killed them. It would have ended quietly with everyone going his
> > separate way. No bad press, no bad feeling, no nothing. But that would have been too
> > easy...
> >
> > Sometimes doing NOTHING really is the best thing to do.
>
> and canned from those last two shows, he was told if he did show up
> for them that he would be removed from the venue by security. How sad
> is that? And why even go that far? I think that was pretty much the
> end of the 3-kee live performances right there, and not just for that
> tour. But, it really was a combination of factors that led up to that
> and it's a miasma of stuff that goes back over the years. There were
> no "new" problems on that tour, not with any of the guys. If you want
> to point a finger at any of them, you'd surely find something to
> point about.
>
> Bless them all. It was fun while it lasted. I thought they did a
> great tour and I enjoyed the hell out of it.
>
I'm not really pointing fingers. Just saying it was all handled very badly all the way
around because it was all so unnecessary. For crying out loud it was basically TWO MORE
DAYS TOGETHER. It wasnt a lifetime cmmittment. If they put up with each other for months
how much worse would 2 days have been? Whoever made the decision seriously dropped the
ball here. Micky pointed the finger at himself by taking the credit for it so he gets the
blame too. Seems fair...<G>
Nadine Sandauer
> Getting drunk does not make someone an alcoholic. Drinking often does not
> make someone an alcoholic. A person who drinks may or may not be. You
> don't KNOW what David does or does not do. You have no business trying to
> pretend that you do, either.
Ok.. neither do you, so why are you *always* in defensive mode when the
topic
of alcoholism and Davy Jones comes up? Why does this accusation trouble you
so much?
Whether he is or he's not, why are you always trying to convince this
newsgroup he's not?
We all have our own opinions about him - try and ignore the topic for once
and maybe it'll
go away, if you hate it so much.
ns
Shorty Blackwell
>
> Anybody who drinks at all is going to occasionally have a hangover.
I'd say anyone who drinks to _excess_ is going to be hung over. That
is the body saying, "Hi! I've been poisoned!"
Katie
From the sounds of it, Davy was too busy getting drunk to deal with
the decision so, it fell to the more capable Micky! Just a little
joke Davy fans! :-)
JanBitch ;)
From my own experience, most people who make fun of AA are the ones who
could certainly use SOME sort of 12-step program...
There is absolutely no shame in asking for help. No one can recover alone.
If they think they can, they're only fooling themselves. They ain't fooling
the rest of us...
JanBitch
JanBitch ;)
"T." <easywri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:14585c71.03070...@posting.google.com...
> Amen! The really sad part to me was that not only did he get fired
> and canned from those last two shows, he was told if he did show up
> for them that he would be removed from the venue by security. How sad
> is that? And why even go that far? I think that was pretty much the
> end of the 3-kee live performances right there, and not just for that
> tour. But, it really was a combination of factors that led up to that
> and it's a miasma of stuff that goes back over the years. There were
> no "new" problems on that tour, not with any of the guys. If you want
> to point a finger at any of them, you'd surely find something to
> point about.
>
> Bless them all. It was fun while it lasted. I thought they did a
> great tour and I enjoyed the hell out of it.
You betcha. I had the best summer in years. What fun. I will always be
grateful.
JanBitch
T.
I didn't think you were. If it seems like I said that ( directed at
you), excuse please!
For crying out loud it was basically TWO MORE
> DAYS TOGETHER. It wasnt a lifetime cmmittment. If they put up with each other for months
> how much worse would 2 days have been?
You know what I wonder? Wonder if it was a power play to say "keep
going with us or get the hell out now" because in addition to the
group projects, wasn't some kind of movie deal in the works that was
very important to Micky? I don't know the details on that, just that
it was contingent on the three of them doing it.
JanBitch ;)
> going with us or get the hell out now" because in addition to the
> group projects, wasn't some kind of movie deal in the works that was
> very important to Micky? I don't know the details on that, just that
> it was contingent on the three of them doing it.
Hasn't THAT rumor been floating around for years? Isn't there ALWAYS an
elusive movie deal in sight?
JanBitch
EJ
Every time this happens. no matter who leaves, it ruins some "movie deal" so I don't have
a lot of faith in that particular claim <G> I personally think att
those "projects" are all in their minds.
I thought of the power play thing too. Kind of like "You can't quit...you're fired!" at
whoch point the firee is supposed to beg for another chance. The only problem with that
is the one making the threat has to be prepared to carry it out if necessary. The other
problem is that making threats is never a good way to do business.
==Daye==
<luvdav...@sccoast.net> wrote:
>Please, when you feel you MUST bring that up...be sure and qualify that it
>was about 20 years ago. When he was broke, tired, and divorcing Anita. It
>hasn't happened any time recently.
I have no idea when it happened to be honest. However, I have
heard that he has recently gotten one. Again, I don't know for
sure. I am not his friend.
--
==Daye==
E-mail: brendana AT labyrinth DOT net DOT au
==Daye==
>Alcoholics can be very creative when it comes to their drinking. Some function quite well
>at work and get smashed afterwards.
That was my dad. He went to work and worked a 40 hours
(sometimes more) week. Then when he got home from work, it was
not uncommon for him to drink 12 beers in one sitting. On the
weekends, he would wake up and drink a whole pot of coffee. Then
he would start drinking beer and continue drinking until he
passed out.
==Daye==
<luvdav...@sccoast.net> wrote:
>Getting drunk does not make someone an alcoholic. Drinking often does not
>make someone an alcoholic. A person who drinks may or may not be. You
>don't KNOW what David does or does not do. You have no business trying to
>pretend that you do, either.
I don't know from personal experience if David has a drinking
problem currently. But I suspect that he did have one in the
past based on his own admissions.
==Daye==
<sand...@cox.net> wrote:
>Ok.. neither do you, so why are you *always* in defensive mode when the
>topic
>of alcoholism and Davy Jones comes up? Why does this accusation trouble you
>so much?
Good point. Any proof he isn't an alcoholic????
JanBitch ;)
"==Daye==" <da...@australia.edu> wrote in message
news:rfshgv4ci9k24eijo...@4ax.com...
> I have no idea when it happened to be honest. However, I have
> heard that he has recently gotten one. Again, I don't know for
> sure. I am not his friend.
>
> --
> ==Daye==
> E-mail: brendana AT labyrinth DOT net DOT au
In November, he said it had been over seven years ago.
JanBitch
Shorty Blackwell
>>Newsgroups: alt.music.monkees
>>Subject: Re: AA
>>Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 06:48:11 +1000
>>Message-ID: <n3njgv83l981n6brn...@4ax.com>
>>On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 14:44:13 GMT, "Nadine Sandauer
>><sand...@cox.net> wrote:
>>Ok.. neither do you, so why are you *always* in defensive mode when >>the
>>topic
>>of alcoholism and Davy Jones comes up? Why does this accusation >>trouble you
>>so much?
>Good point.
Perhaps it is due to these:
>From: "Mind The Gap!" <Mind_t...@STOPcomcast.net>
>Newsgroups: alt.music.monkees
>Subject: mad icon disease - take the test!
>Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 20:50:27 -0500
>Message-ID: <Kr2cnXiyr4k...@comcast.com>
>2. I share with my favorite celebrity a special bond that cannot be
>described in words. ___
>3. I am obsessed by details of my favorite celebrity's life. ___
>4. friends and I like to discuss what my favorite celebrity has done. ___
>5. When something good happens to my favorite celebrity I feel like it
>happened to me. ___
>8. The successes of my favorite celebrity are my successes also. ___
>14. When something bad happens to my favorite celebrity I feel like it
>happened to me. ___
>16. I often feel compelled to learn the personal habits of my favorite
>celebrity. ___
And could not help but think of this gurl/website l when I read this one:
>10. I consider my favorite celebrity to be my soul mate. ___
From http://www.loveisonlysleeping.com/indexSacred1966.html, specifically:
"...because I love the Monkees and they are my soulmates"
Tres, erm, unique!!
==Daye==
<janb0...@yahoo.comedy> wrote:
>In November, he said it had been over seven years ago.
Well, to me, that is recent.
JanBitch ;)
Damn. Talk about living in the past...Although...the eighties seem like
yesterday to me...LOL
JanBitch
Nadine Sandauer
"JanBitch ;)" <janb0...@yahoo.comedy> wrote in message
news:vgjpopn...@corp.supernews.com...
> Damn. Talk about living in the past...Although...the eighties seem like
> yesterday to me...LOL
Yep, that's pretty recent. Would that be Jones' 3rd DUI??? My god.
ns
JanBitch ;)
"Nadine Sandauer" <sand...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:PlmOa.648695$vU3.2...@news1.central.cox.net...
I posted that he said it had been more than seven years...which means it
could have been any time between 1945 and 1995...Talk about putting words in
someone's mouth...
JanBitch
Nadine Sandauer
"JanBitch ;)" <janb0...@yahoo.comedy> wrote in message
> I posted that he said it had been more than seven years...which means it
> could have been any time between 1945 and 1995...Talk about putting words
in
> someone's mouth...
Oh ok JanBitch ... Your post read like he had another
one 7 years ago, heaven forbid. Pardon moi! <eg>
ns
George Lee
True. I've drank red wine once before to the point I was buzzed,
but I didn't feel any worse in the morning than I usually do.
I had partaken of a bit of beer with a bunch of acquaintances,
and didn't feel physically bad at all in the morning -
quite the opposite to how bad as my acquaintances did. ;)
Estrella
http://members.tripod.com/~s3tar/monkees/faq.html
JanBitch ;)
Can't say yes or no on that one. Since he spoke of it, I only know of one,
and have no idea when it happened...
JanBitch
JanBitch
T.
> elusive movie deal in sight?
>
> JanBitch
You may be right! Well, it was brought up again this go 'round, and
apparently it mattered as much as it ever did to whomever it mattered
to.
And we think AMM has the same fights over and over....<ggg>
JanBitch ;)
"George Lee" <george...@dhs.gov> wrote in message
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>
> True. I've drank red wine once before to the point I was buzzed,
> but I didn't feel any worse in the morning than I usually do.
> I had partaken of a bit of beer with a bunch of acquaintances,
> and didn't feel physically bad at all in the morning -
> quite the opposite to how bad as my acquaintances did. ;)
>
> Estrella
> http://members.tripod.com/~s3tar/monkees/faq.html
On my first wedding anniversary, my husband was in Viet Nam...so I
celebrated without him...The next day, I woke up with a temp of 102.8...talk
about drinking yourself sick...
JanBitch
Shorty Blackwell
>Newsgroups: alt.music.monkees
>Subject: Re: AA
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>>"George Lee" <george...@dhs.gov> wrote in message
>>news:3F0A04EB...@dhs.gov...
>>
> >True. I've drank red wine once before to the point I was buzzed,
>>but I didn't feel any worse in the morning than I usually do.
It's good for the heart, really. Vino rojo (red wine): 1 glass/day.
Personally, I can take it or leave it. It depends upon the
circumstances, really.
And as for JAN...
>On my first wedding anniversary, my husband was in Viet Nam...so I
>celebrated without him...The next day, I woke up with a temp of
>102.8...talk
>about drinking yourself sick...
Woman: that behavior could kill you. Please do take care.
JanBitch ;)
> You may be right! Well, it was brought up again this go 'round, and
> apparently it mattered as much as it ever did to whomever it mattered
> to.
>
> And we think AMM has the same fights over and over....<ggg>
Really.
JanBitch
JanBitch ;)
"Shorty Blackwell" <passionf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Woman: that behavior could kill you. Please do take care.
That was over 30 years ago. I've grown up since then.
JanBitch
Nadine Sandauer
>They drink. They enjoy drinking. That is their business and
> nobody elses.
Unless they drink and drive, and Jones has done that at least 2x already.
Then it's my business
and everyone elses.
ns
Jan
"Samantha" <Nezg...@rogersREMOVE.com> wrote in message
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> > Getting drunk does not make someone an alcoholic. Drinking often does
not
> > make someone an alcoholic. A person who drinks may or may not be. You
> > don't KNOW what David does or does not do. You have no business trying
to
> > pretend that you do, either.
>
four.
Well, not always. I had an uncle that was a binge drinker.
He would go months without touching a drop. Then he'd disappear for a week
and someone would finally find him sick and half dead in a motel room and
take him to a detox center to save his life. He died young, too.
Jan
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>
>
> Ok.. neither do you, so why are you *always* in defensive mode when the
> topic
> of alcoholism and Davy Jones comes up? Why does this accusation trouble
you
> so much?
> newsgroup he's not?
> We all have our own opinions about him - try and ignore the topic for once
> and maybe it'll
> go away, if you hate it so much.
>
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. It just pisses me off when
people are on something as public as this newsgroup and stating their
personal opinions about someone else as though it is fact. New fans come
here and they respect and believe what they hear from all of the supposed
"Monkee experts". They read one post that David is a hopeless alcoholic
and go away believing that it's a true fact. They tell other people, and
one day half the town "knows" something that is probably complete bullshit.
That's what I get upset about.
Jan
> On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 14:44:13 GMT, "Nadine Sandauer"
> <sand...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >Ok.. neither do you, so why are you *always* in defensive mode when the
> >topic
> >of alcoholism and Davy Jones comes up? Why does this accusation trouble
you
> >so much?
>
> Good point. Any proof he isn't an alcoholic????
>
not up to caliber with your usual sensible posts.
jan
Jan
"EJ" <ev...@stargate.net> wrote in message
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. There's no shame in getting help, and no one has the right to run down,
make fun
> of, or otherwise ridicule those who do--whether it be AA, a hospital
program, a
> community-based program or other means of assistance.
That is true. And it is also true that no recovering alcoholic has the
right to preach to, nag at, or go to a sleazy tabloid to expose a friend or
acquaintence because they still drink and the alcoholic feels he cannot. As
with
ex-smokers, ex- drinkers are usually the biggest hypocrites of them all. My
father was one of those hypocrites, and I had a little respect for him as I
have anyone else who acts that way.
Jan
Jan
Jan
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 19:58:30 -0400, "Jan"
> <luvdav...@sccoast.net> wrote:
>
> >Please, when you feel you MUST bring that up...be sure and qualify that
it
> >was about 20 years ago. When he was broke, tired, and divorcing Anita.
It
> >hasn't happened any time recently.
>
> I have no idea when it happened to be honest. However, I have
> heard that he has recently gotten one. Again, I don't know for
> sure. I am not his friend.
>
the house in PA.
Jan
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:17:11 -0400, "JanBitch ;\)"
> <janb0...@yahoo.comedy> wrote:
>
> >In November, he said it had been over seven years ago.
>
> Well, to me, that is recent.
>
have misunderstood him.
Ptlindacas
he/Peter, would be removed from the venue by security shows just how low Micky
and Davy suck. All they had to do was wait two shows and Peter would be
finished.
>Amen! The really sad part to me was that not only did he get fired
>and canned from those last two shows, he was told if he did show up
>for them that he would be removed from the venue by security. How sad
>is that? And why even go that far? I think that was pretty much the
>end of the 3-kee live performances right there, and not just for that
>tour. But, it really was a combination of factors that led up to that
>and it's a miasma of stuff that goes back over the years. There were
>no "new" problems on that tour, not with any of the guys. If you want
>to point a finger at any of them, you'd surely find something to
>point about.
>
> Bless them all. It was fun while it lasted. I thought they did a
>great tour and I enjoyed the hell out of it.
>
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>
DMDMF
Ptlindacas
drunk and verbally abused Peter. No one, and I don't care who you are or
whatever should be put through that nor did he deserve that. Davy is just
jeolous and Peter did the right thing by walking off and away from that crap.
>It's the same "OLD NEWS" as Micky and David firing him and the alcohol
>involvement. As long as that is worthy of bringing up, it should be
>countered with what Peter did as well.
>
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Ptlindacas
about seeking and gettting help from AA with his problem? I don't think so.
That was wrong of Davy to do that, plain and simple. It is also maybe a trait
of someone who has drinking problems.
>As far as I'm concerned, and apparently most people that are involved with
>David, he doesn't NEED help from the AA. If you and Peter want to say that,
>knock yourself out...it doesn't make it so. David looks good, looks
>healthy, works when he wants and if he (or Micky) want to drink, that is
>their business and their right to do so.
>
>And as to it being old, read the last post.
>
>Jan
>> >Why don't you ask Peter to go tell the National Enquirer the rest of the
>> >story? Then we'll know.
Ptlindacas
So old news on Davy is valid as well.
>Please, when you feel you MUST bring that up...be sure and qualify that it
>was about 20 years ago. When he was broke, tired, and divorcing Anita. It
>hasn't happened any time recently.
>
>jan
Ptlindacas
>Now Davy on the other hand.... some of us think he is (me!), some of us deny
>it... depends on which side
>of the Davy Jones camp you're in. ;) He has been arrested 2 times for
>drinking and driving in the '80s. You decide
>if that's a problem or not.
>
>Micky also drinks... to what extend, I really don't know. Some goes for
>Nesmith.
>
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DMDMF
Ptlindacas
story on. Besides Peter admitted he wrong in talking the Enquirer. I have never
ever heard Davy admit his behaviour was out of line. How about it?
>No...Peter is a recovering alcoholic. David and Micky like to drink. The
>problem comes in from too many people making judgements when it isn't in
>their right to do so.
>
>Jan
Ptlindacas
problem. In the morning, I would get up to get the kids going for school. I
would find hidden bottles<empty> Plus the kids would show me full bottles of
booze. I had , at that time no idea of his background in this. His wife told me
she was really sorry that she hadn't told me and what signs to look for. So
yes, Davy could still drink , but probably would do it where no one would see.
>Or where no one sees him.
>
>Alcoholics can be very creative when it comes to their drinking. Some
>function quite well
>at work and get smashed afterwards. Being drunk 24/7 is not necessary for one
>to be an
>alcoholid...and neither is beging drunk every day. It's not being able to
>control ones
>drinking when one DOES drink.
>
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DMDMF
Ptlindacas
was only citing facts. You need to get a grip.
> A person who drinks may or may not be. You
>don't KNOW what David does or does not do. You have no business trying to
>pretend that you do, either.
>
>Jan
DMDMF
EJ
I didn't say I knew anything about David. Just that peole who drink may or may not be
alcoholics. Some people who drink to excess aren't aloholics...but they have a problem
with alcohol just the same. If it applies to Davy fine..if it doesnt fine.
Ptlindacas
drinking and than choses to drive while under the influence..yes, it is now
everyone' s business as he is endangering other people while doing this.
>Unless they drink and drive, and Jones has done that at least 2x already.
>Then it's my business
>and everyone elses.
>
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Jan
"Ptlindacas" <ptlin...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> That is a strong possibility. One of my employers had a severe drinking
The below came in an email to me today from someone who knows David very
well. She wishes to remain anonymous to this newsgroup for whatever reason,
but felt strongly that I should post this for her. You can believe it or
not, makes no difference to me. But I've heard it from people who are very
close to him, and I choose to believe the best.... ~Jan
here is what i would say. i have been to bars and to parties with david, he
likes to drink. he was not the most
drunk person there OR the most sober by any means. sometimes he drinks alot
(and can he put it away!) and sometimes he has very little. i have spent
time with him when he never drank too. i never saw him get up and start
pounding drinks first thing in the morning. he has drank more than he should
on occasion but so did most everyone else at times.
some people just enjoy a party and enjoy drinking when they party. i
certainly was one of them. in between times you tend to business. david
taught me alot about just letting go and having fun. he used to tease me cuz
i was sorta mother hen-ish and reserved. and yes, once or twice he did some
rather stupid things but who hasn't? it was all harmless and silly. no one
ever got hurt, it was just good times.
does he have a problem? depends i guess. he is not stupid, he certainly
knows what people say. i know what he felt about that but it would be bad
form to repeat. of course this was about 12 yrs ago too.
you may post the gist of what i said, just say you heard it from someone who
knows him. :-)
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