ebook
Martin
Please write to mult...@aros.net if interested:
HI,
I wish to announce that a new free e-book is available.
If you have Microsoft word, it is in that format.
If you would like a free copy emailed to you, you may respond and let
me know.
The book is:
Prophecy and the Orthodox Baha'i, and has been reviewed by the Review
Committee of the National Orthodox Baha'i Council of the USA.
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Martin
Perhaps the Orthodox Baha'is could make review facultative, optional?
Sincerely,
Martin
www.truebahai.com
george.fleming2
" It is possible that some of the western friends, with remarkable naivete,
do not grasp the fact that there is absolutely nothing keeping those have
broken the Covenant, whether Baha'u'llah's or the master's, out of the Cause
of God except their own inner spirtually sick condition. If they were sound,
instead of diseased, and wanted to enter the service of our Faith , they
would apply directly to the Guardian (or today the Universal House) and he
would be able to adjudge of their sincerity and , if sincere would welcome
them into the ranks of the faithful as he didwith Sydney Sprague.
Unfortunately a man who is ill is not made well just by asserting there is
nothing wrong with him! Facts actual states, are what count. probably no
group of people in the world have softer tounges, or proclaim more loudly
their innocence, than those who in their heart of hearts, and by their very
act, are enemies of the Center of the Covenant. The master well knew this,
and that is why He said we must shun their company, but pray for them. If
you put a leper in a room with healthy people, he cannot catch their health:
on the contrary they are very likely to catch his horrible ailment.
(from a letter written on behalf of the Guardian to the national Spirtual
Assembly of the United States, April 11, 1949)
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the advertising that would represent.
And if you believe that, then you'll believe that scenes of pigs flying in SPY
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fiction.
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george.fleming2
do not grasp the fact that there is absolutely nothing keeping those have
broken the Covenant, whether Baha'u'llah's or the master's, out of the Cause
of God except their own inner spirtually sick condition. If they were sound,
instead of diseased, and wanted to enter the service of our Faith , they
would apply directly to the Guardian (or today the Universal House) and he
would be able to adjudge of their sincerity and , if sincere would welcome
them into the ranks of the faithful as he didwith Sydney Sprague.
Unfortunately a man who is ill is not made well just by asserting there is
nothing wrong with him! Facts actual states, are what count. probably no
group of people in the world have softer tounges, or proclaim more loudly
their innocence, than those who in their heart of hearts, and by their very
act, are enemies of the Center of the Covenant. The master well knew this,
and that is why He said we must shun their company, but pray for them. If
you put a leper in a room with healthy people, he cannot catch their health:
on the contrary they are very likely to catch his horrible ailment.
(from a letter written on behalf of the Guardian to the national Spirtual
Assembly of the United States, April 11, 1949)
in article 20020819145555...@mb-cd.aol.com, Robin Peters at
snoop...@aol.comspamness wrote on 19/8/02 6:55 pm:
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Robin Peters
>www.truebahai.com
Now, wait just a (censored) minute here. I thought the guy that operated that
website was Eric Stetson or something.
Robin Peters
Anyone care to tell me how to do it on AOHell?
george.fleming2
> talk/alt religion bahai are Covenant breaking newsgroups
>
609: Bahai's Cannot associate with Those who have left the Faith and are
associating with Covenant breakers. (Page 185 Lights of Guidance).
There is no excuse for believers continuing to associate with...and those
who knowing everything, still insist on doing so, should be shunned by their
fellow Baha'is. The same applies to people who have left the Cause and
associate with. The point is that if the believers iknow and meet with
people who are aquainted with Covenant Breakers there is no harm in this ,
for such indivduals are not Baha'is and have nothing to do with the issues
concerned. But those who have left the Cause, knowingly all, about such
matters (AS ALL THE DISSIDENTS ON TALK/ALT RELIGION BAHAI) and deliberately
associate with Covenant breakers (like Joel J. Marangella below) are aware
of what they do, and we must not associate with them at all. It is for the
Local Assembly, guided by the NSA, to enforce such decisions and protect the
Cause in its area of Jurisdition".
"The friends should, without too much dwelling on these negative things, be
made to understand that some people are spirtually sick and that their
disease is alas contagious. Some recover from it , as did MR....whose heart
could not rest till he returned to the fold; others do not. (LIKE THE
HARDENED BUNCH OF DISSIDENTS ON TALK RELIGION BAHA'I)< The Master and
Baha'u'llah have taught us that associating with these souls is not likely
to heal any of them at all, but on the contrary exposes one to grave danger
of contagion. The history of the Faith has proved this over and over again.
The only way we can prove to such people that they are wrong is to cencure
their conduct.; if we sympathise with them we only fortify their perversity
and waywardness"(On behalf of the Guardian Lights of Guidance page 185)
>
> Joel J. Marangella calls himself the third Guardian and uses these groups to
> attack the Baha'i Faith.
>
>
> <jm...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> Re: INEXCUSABLE MULTIPLE FAILURES OF THE HANDS i
>
>
> in article 189ac3e8.02072...@posting.google.com, Sufi Baha'i at
> pe...@capebyron.com wrote on 29/7/02 9:46 PM:
>
>> If Shoghi Effendi would have
>> wanted to appoint someone 100 years old he could have, it would be
>> seen as a safety measure, incase something tragic (such as a flu
>> epedemic) happened, you make a big thing of age, when there is no
>> reason to. Shoghi Effendi never pretended to know when he was going
>> to die. King Hussein of Jordan hid his real successor until a short
>> time before he died, Shoghi Effendi would be seen as doing the same.
>>
>> Shoghi Effendi would have convened the 9 Hands to decide on his
>> choice. It would have been so simple. He would not have left the
>> loose end of approval, what if the 9 hands rejected his choice after
>> he was dead, he would not have taken the chance.
>>
>> Shoghi Effendi was waiting for one of the Aghsan to return to the
>> Faith. If he had lived now or had Viagra been invented 60 years
>> earlier maybe there wouldn't have been a problem with succession.
>>
>> This whole argument is stupid, you want us to believe that Shoghi
>> Effendi would have essentially destroyed the Faith because he didn't
>> want Ruhhiyah Khanum to know he was going to die soon? Does this
>> sound like the Shoghi Effendi we know? Does this sound like the
>> Ruhiyyah Khanum we got to know after his death? Nothing in your
>> argument passes the common sense meter.
>
>
> You may choose to give consideration to the following:
>
> 1. On the bottom of page 239 of "God Passes By" the term "Aghsán" clearly
> means (His sons) for, Shoghi Effendi has specifically identified the Aghsán
> only as Baháąuąlláhąs sons and not a term designating His other male
> relatives.
>
> *************** *************** *************** ***************
> Quoted from the Third Guardian's document entitled:
> Inexcusable Multiple Failures by the Hands
>
> http://Bahai-Guardian.com/failures.html
> *************** *************** *************** ***************
> "Failure to discover the unexpected, indirect, yet clear manner, in which
> Shoghi Effendi had faithfully appointed his successor "in his own life-time"
> as required under the terms of ŚAbduąl-Baháąs Will and Testament. They may
> have discovered this, had they taken the time to carefully review Shoghi
> Effendiąs pertinent acts, decisions, and messages, particularly during the
> last seven years of his ministry, and, in doing so, had not been blinded by
> their erroneous interpretation of the terms of the Will and Testament of
> ŚAbduąl-Bahá which resulted in their holding the fallacious belief that
> these terms restricted the Guardianąs choice of a successor to male
> relatives of the blood line of Baháąuąlláh, whom they had further
> incorrectly defined as Aghsán, a term which Shoghi Effendi had stated
> applied only to the "sons" of Baháąuąlláh who, as contemporaries of
> ŚAbduąl-Bahá, would have long since died prior to the passing of Shoghi
> Effendi and therefore obviously would never have been available for
> consideration, much less appointment, as his successor. "
>
> ***************
> end quote
> ***************
>
> You would also be aware that Mason Remey was appointed by Shoghi Effendi to
> be the President and thus the head of the International Baha'i Council which
> Shoghi Effendi called into being in his laudatory Proclamation of 9 January,
> 1951 ( the only time Shoghi Effendi utilised the word "Proclaim" to open any
> of his messages in cablegram form to the Baha'i World ) and which I would
> urge you to read. It can be found at:
>
> http://Bahai-Guardian.com/Proc9.Jan.html
>
>
> Your reference to the convening of the [elected nine] Hands (which body had
> never been brought into existence during the ministry of Shoghi Effendi )
> which you state should have given their assent to the choice of the
> Guardian's successor, is not applicable. Even if that body had been brought
> into existence, a "will" is not the manner to which the Successor/Guardian
> is to be named as he must be appointed in the incumbent Guardian's lifetime.
> The following quote from "Baha'i News", dated February, 1955 will affirm
> this. http://www.rt66.com/~obfusa/newspage/288-55.htm
>
> ****************
> Statement of Shoghi Effendi
> in Baha'i News
> ****************
>
> "The statement in the Will of 'Abdu'l-Bahá does not imply that the Hands of
> the Cause of God have been given the authority to overrule the Guardian.
> 'Abdu'l-Bahá could not have provided for a conflict of authority in the
> Faith. This is obvious, in view of His own words, which you will find on
> page 13 (p. 11 of 1944 U.S. edition) of the Will and Testament of
> 'Abdu'l-Bahá. "The mighty stronghold shall remain impregnable and safe
> through obedience to him who is the guardian of the Cause of God. It is
> incumbent upon...the Hands of the Cause of God to show their obedience,
> submissiveness and subordination unto the guardian of the Cause of God, to
> turn unto him and be lowly before him. He that opposeth him hath opposed the
> True One,"
> *************
> end quote
>
> *************
>
> It would also be important to review and consider one of the most
> significant statements which was made by Shoghi Effendi with regard to his
> descendants and found in the Pilgrim Notes of Gayle Woolsen:
>
> ******************
> Quote
> ******************
> "One of the Persian pilgrims present at Haifa when I was, told me that one
> of the Persian men in their group had asked the Guardian about his
> descendants, about a son, and the Guardian answered,
>
> "EVERYTHING THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE WILL AND TESTAMENT WILL BE FULFILLED. THE
> BAHA'IS MUST NOT BE ANXIOUS ABOUT THIS."
>
> (Extracted from Haifa Notes of Gayle Woolson, Feb.16-25, 1956)
> http://www.bahai-guardian.com/intro.html
>
>
>
> ********************** ********************** **********************
> Extract from the "Unaswered Letters to Rúhíyyih Khánum"
> written by Joel Bray Marangella, Third Guardian of
> the Bahá'í Faith
> http://www.bahai-guardian.com/third.html
> ********************** ********************** **********************
>
> "Certainly you [Rúhíyyih Khánum] and those who follow you must ask
> themselves why Shoghi Effendi would have given such definite assurances
> concerning the continuity of the Guardianship if, in fact, there was no one
> destined to succeed him. You would be the last one to accuse him of
> deceiving the Baháąís or giving them false assurances. He could make the
> statement he did to this pilgrim for the very reason that I have attempted
> to point out in my previous two letters to you and that is that he had, in
> fact, already provided for his successor in appointing him the Head or
> President-to-be of the active Universal House of Justice, then only in its
> inactive embryonic state of development prior to becoming the International
> Baháąí Court, whose Head or Chief Judge could be none other than the
> Guardian of the Faith according to the sacred provisions of the Will and
> Testament of the Master.
> **********************
> End quote
> **********************
>
>
>
> ********************** **********************
> Quotation from the
> document entitled:
> "Inexcusable Multiple Failures of the Hands"
> ********************** **********************
>
> During the last seven years of his thirty-six year ministry that had
> commenced in 1921 with the Ascension of 'Abdu'l-Bahá, Shoghi Effendi decided
> that the situation at the World Center of the Faith had become favorable and
> the development of the Faith had reached the stage where he could "at long
> last" erect the International Institutions of the Faith, taking into
> consideration the significant factor, among others, of "the present
> adequate maturity of nine vigoorously functioning national administrative
> institutions throughout the Bahá'í World." The first "embryonic
> International Institution" that he brought into existence was the Universal
> House of Justice, which he established by appointment in January 1951 and
> titled in this initial embryonic stage, the International Bahá'í Council. He
> appointed Mason Remey, an American Bahá'í, the President of this Council, a
> believer whose services to the Faith following his acceptance of the Faith
> as a young man at the turn of the Century remained unparalleled, having
> included his world-wide teaching efforts in many countries on behalf of the
> Faith, his authourship of several of the earliest books written on the Faith
> and his notable architectural achievements for the Faith, as the architect
> of three Bahá'í Temples already constructed, and two yet to be built (
> chosen architect by 'Abdu'l-Bahá for the one to be built on Mount Carmel and
> chosen by Shoghi Effendi for the one to be built in Tihran ) and the
> magnificent International Achives Building built on Mount Carmel. He had
> been repeatedly eulogized by 'Abdu'l-Bahá in His Tablets ( appearing in
> publication of the Star of the West) for the purity of his motives and
> exemplary fidelity to the Covenant of Bahá'u'lláh, and had been uniquely
> promised by Him in one of His Tablets that "Ere long thy Lord shall make
> thee a sign of guidance among mankind."
> http://Bahai-Guardian.com/eulogy.html
> ********************** **********************
> end Quotation from the
> document entitled:
> "Inexcusable Multiple Failures of the Hands"
> ********************** **********************
>
>
> I would suggest that you take the time to review the documents listed above
> in order to better understand the position of those Bahá'ís who follow and
> give support to the present designate/Guardian and perceive that,
> Guardians, then, as well as now, and into the future, will always appoint
> "in his [their] own lifetime" in clear and unambiguous language as was done,
> in the case of Shoghi Effendi, when he named Mason Remey to be the
> President and designated successor and "sacred head" of the UHJ, the
> embryonic form being the International Bahá'í Council. Thus, it was to be no
> one other than Mason Remey. It was not until November of 1957, at the
> moment of Shoghi Effendi's passing (caused by coronary thrombosis brought on
> by a severe case of Asiatic influenza) that Mason assumed the mantle of
> Guardian. You would find it most interesting, I can asssure you, to read his
> Proclamation: http://Bahai-Guardian.com/Mason.proc.html
>
> Those Bahá'ís who have understood this, now aspire and agree with the many
> statements of facts and many shared beliefs expressed in documents
> entreaties, appeals, and apologia, which have been written by Mason Remey's
> duly-appointed successor and the present and Third Guardian of the Bahá'í
> Faith and have continuously -- this, now for the past 40 years -- championed
> the continuity of the Guardianship and those sacred and immutable provisions
> of the Will and Testament of 'Abdu'l-Bahá which underpin the entire fabric
> of the World Order of Bahá'u'lláh, representing as it does the very
> foundation upon which the continuity of the Faith must needs continue to
> evolve and progress.
>
> WEB:
>
> http://Bahai-Guardian.com
>
>
>
>
>
in article 20020819145555...@mb-cd.aol.com, Robin Peters at
snoop...@aol.comspamness wrote on 19/8/02 6:55 pm:
> Hmmm, if George Fleming gets to spam the NGs, I guess I do too - man, think of
--
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george.fleming2
> Hmmm, if George Fleming gets to spam the NGs, I guess I do too - man, think of
--
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george.fleming2
in article 20020819151521...@mb-cd.aol.com, Robin Peters at
snoop...@aol.comspamness wrote on 19/8/02 7:15 pm:
--
george.fleming2
in article 20020819155553...@mb-cd.aol.com, Robin Peters at
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Sekhmet
>
>Anyone care to tell me how to do it on AOHell?
I have a Mac and am using an older version of AOL (the new version is too
slow), so things might work a little differently for you than for me, but what
I did was choose "preferences" while at the "talk.religion.bahai (unread)"
screen, then I chose "author is" from the filters menu and put you-know-who's
email address into the box provided. Then I clicked "add filter", saved my
changes, closed and reopened the "talk.religion.bahai (unread)" screen, and
voila-- way fewer things to wade through! :)
--Sekhmet
Dermod Ryder
"Sekhmet" <sekhm...@aol.com.nz> wrote in message
news:20020819215415...@mb-co.aol.com...
Hold on Egyptian Goddess, I hope the dear old Reaper hasn't been
filtered in this way.
But I thank you for the methodology of AOL killfiling. It's nice to
know what the Dweadful Steam Twap said she did for me but actually
didn't!
Dermod.
Sekhmet
>"Sekhmet" <sekhm...@aol.com.nz> wrote in message
>news:20020819215415...@mb-co.aol.com...
>> >Oh, kewl. I get to add SpamMeister Fleming to my killfile, too.
>> >
>> >Anyone care to tell me how to do it on AOHell?
>>
>> I have a Mac and am using an older version of AOL (the new
instructions]
>
>Hold on Egyptian Goddess, I hope the dear old Reaper hasn't been
>filtered in this way.
Heavens, no!
You're too much fun to read even when I violently disagree with the things
you're saying. ;-)
--Sekhmet
george.fleming2
in article newscache$9ez31h$hnu1$1...@elise.onthenet.com.au, Freethought110 at
Freetho...@bohemian.org wrote on 19/8/02 9:08 pm:
> Lovely quote by Shoghidelic, George. Do keep them coming :)
>
> --
> Freethought110
>
> "george.fleming2" <george....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:B986B396.6DC5%george....@btinternet.com...
>>
>> " It is possible that some of the western friends, with remarkable
> naivete,
>> do not grasp the fact that there is absolutely nothing keeping those have
>> broken the Covenant, whether Baha'u'llah's or the master's, out of the
> Cause
>> of God except their own inner spirtually sick condition. If they were
> sound,
>> instead of diseased, and wanted to enter the service of our Faith , they
>> would apply directly to the Guardian (or today the Universal House) and he
>> would be able to adjudge of their sincerity and , if sincere would welcome
>> them into the ranks of the faithful as he didwith Sydney Sprague.
>> Unfortunately a man who is ill is not made well just by asserting there is
>> nothing wrong with him! Facts actual states, are what count. probably no
>> group of people in the world have softer tounges, or proclaim more loudly
>> their innocence, than those who in their heart of hearts, and by their
> very
>> act, are enemies of the Center of the Covenant. The master well knew this,
>> and that is why He said we must shun their company, but pray for them. If
>> you put a leper in a room with healthy people, he cannot catch their
> health:
>> on the contrary they are very likely to catch his horrible ailment.
>>
>> (from a letter written on behalf of the Guardian to the national Spirtual
>> Assembly of the United States, April 11, 1949)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
in article B978C824.12C6B%jm...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au, Joel J. Marangella at
jm...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au wrote on 8/8/02 5:15 pm:
>
> TO: THOSE DIRECTING AFFAIRS AT THE BAHÁ'Í WORLD CENTER
>
>
> WHAT POSSIBLE ANSWER CAN YOU GIVE
>
> TO FUTURE BAHÁ'Í GENERATIONS?
>
>
>
> How can any faithful and devoted believer professing fidelity to the mighty,
> indestructible and resistless Covenant of Baháąuąlláh maintain the belief
> that the most important provisions of the Will and Testament of ŚAbduąl-Bahá
> have now become null and void? For has not Shoghi Effendi equated this
> Document in its sacredness withBaháąuąlláhąs Most Holy Book the
> Kitáb-i-Aqdas in stating that these two Documents "are inseparable parts
> of one complete unit" the Explicit Holy Text whose laws and provisions
> have been promised to endure and remain inviolate for no less than a full
> thousand years? Does not such a belief, therefore, constitute a flagrant
> repudiation, in effect, of ŚAbduąl-Baháąs divinely-conceived Testament which
> has been extolled by Shoghi Effendi as the very "Child of the Covenant the
> Heir of both the Originator and the Interpreter of the Law of God" and thus,
> "TheirWill"and, moreover the " Charter of the New World Order which is at
> once the glory and promise of this most great Dispensation" ?
>
>
> How then can any faithful believer continue to hold the untenable,
> incredulous, and fallacious belief that Shoghi Effendi would have permitted
> this divinely conceived and glorious "new born child" so glowingly eulogized
> by him to die, as it were, prematurely in its infancy and the God-given
> "Charter of the New World Order" to become a dead letter?
>
>
> Moreover, how can any faithful believer shamelessly ignore and discount all
> that flowed from the matchless pen of Shoghi Effendi in such monumental
> works as "The Dispensation of Baháąuąlláh" in which he has repeatedly
> stressed the continuing essentiality of the Guardianship to the World Order
> of Bahá'uąlláh and the indispensable and irreplaceable role of the "Guardian
> of the Administrative Order" in an " Order which the master-hand of its
> perfect Architect has fashioned" ?
>
>
> How can you be convinced that future Baháąi generations will accept your
> deluded belief that a man-made, corrupted and imperfect, sans-Guardian
> organization erected by you as a disfigured substitute for the
> divinely-conceived Order bequeathed to us by ŚAbduąl-Bahá is able to replace
> an Order alluded to by Baháąuąlláh as "this unique, this wondrous System
> the like of which mortal eyes have never witnessed" and an Order that he
> stated has been founded on the bedrock of " Godąs immutable Purpose for
> mankind in this day" ?
>
>
>
>
>
> Joel Bray Marangella
> Third Guardian of the Bahá'í Faith
> http://Bahai-Guardian.com
>
>
>
george.fleming2
george.fleming2
Robin Peters
>You're too much fun to read even when I violently disagree with the things
>you're saying. ;-)
I agree - I finally figured out how to do it on AOHell. Only George has been
killfiled on my 'puter. Boy, it cut WAY down on the amount of kwap I'm getting.
george.fleming2
george.fleming2
BEWARE THOSE WHO DEBATE ON TALK/ALT RELIGION BAHAI ARE NOT TRUE BAHA'IS
BUT IMPOSTERS
mult...@aros.net
Actually review with us is generally not on content, no one ever asked
me to take anyhting of content out, it was mostly reviewing style and
grammer and spelling. For which being a product of public school I
was very grateful to get!
george.fleming2
>
> BEWARE THOSE WHO DEBATE ON TALK/ALT RELIGION BAHAI ARE NOT TRUE BAHA'IS
> BUT IMPOSTERS >
Matt Menge
Mr. Marangella. Usually his posts are just ignored, or at least
responded to in private.
Best Regards,
Matt
"george.fleming2" <george....@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:<B987A71C.6FA8%george....@btinternet.com>...
> > only as Bahášušlláhšs sons and not a term designating His other male
> > relatives.
> >
> > *************** *************** *************** ***************
> > Quoted from the Third Guardian's document entitled:
> > Inexcusable Multiple Failures by the Hands
> >
> > http://Bahai-Guardian.com/failures.html
> > *************** *************** *************** ***************
> > "Failure to discover the unexpected, indirect, yet clear manner, in which
> > Shoghi Effendi had faithfully appointed his successor "in his own life-time"
> > as required under the terms of ŒAbdušl-Bahášs Will and Testament. They may
> > have discovered this, had they taken the time to carefully review Shoghi
> > Effendišs pertinent acts, decisions, and messages, particularly during the
> > last seven years of his ministry, and, in doing so, had not been blinded by
> > their erroneous interpretation of the terms of the Will and Testament of
> > ŒAbdušl-Bahá which resulted in their holding the fallacious belief that
> > these terms restricted the Guardianšs choice of a successor to male
> > relatives of the blood line of Bahášušlláh, whom they had further
> > incorrectly defined as Aghsán, a term which Shoghi Effendi had stated
> > applied only to the "sons" of Bahášušlláh who, as contemporaries of
> > ŒAbdušl-Bahá, would have long since died prior to the passing of Shoghi
> > deceiving the Bahášís or giving them false assurances. He could make the
> > statement he did to this pilgrim for the very reason that I have attempted
> > to point out in my previous two letters to you and that is that he had, in
> > fact, already provided for his successor in appointing him the Head or
> > President-to-be of the active Universal House of Justice, then only in its
> > inactive embryonic state of development prior to becoming the International
> > Baháší Court, whose Head or Chief Judge could be none other than the
> > indestructible and resistless Covenant of Bahášušlláh maintain the belief
> > that the most important provisions of the Will and Testament of ŒAbdušl-Bahá
> > have now become null and void? For has not Shoghi Effendi equated this
> > Document in its sacredness withBahášušlláhšs Most Holy Book the
> > Kitáb-i-Aqdas in stating that these two Documents "are inseparable parts
> > of one complete unit" the Explicit Holy Text whose laws and provisions
> > have been promised to endure and remain inviolate for no less than a full
> > thousand years? Does not such a belief, therefore, constitute a flagrant
> > repudiation, in effect, of ŒAbdušl-Bahášs divinely-conceived Testament which
> > has been extolled by Shoghi Effendi as the very "Child of the Covenant the
> > Heir of both the Originator and the Interpreter of the Law of God" and thus,
> > "TheirWill"and, moreover the " Charter of the New World Order which is at
> > once the glory and promise of this most great Dispensation" ?
> >
> >
> > How then can any faithful believer continue to hold the untenable,
> > incredulous, and fallacious belief that Shoghi Effendi would have permitted
> > this divinely conceived and glorious "new born child" so glowingly eulogized
> > by him to die, as it were, prematurely in its infancy and the God-given
> > "Charter of the New World Order" to become a dead letter?
> >
> >
> > Moreover, how can any faithful believer shamelessly ignore and discount all
> > that flowed from the matchless pen of Shoghi Effendi in such monumental
> > works as "The Dispensation of Bahášušlláh" in which he has repeatedly
> > stressed the continuing essentiality of the Guardianship to the World Order
> > of Bahá'ušlláh and the indispensable and irreplaceable role of the "Guardian
> > of the Administrative Order" in an " Order which the master-hand of its
> > perfect Architect has fashioned" ?
> >
> >
> > How can you be convinced that future Baháši generations will accept your
> > deluded belief that a man-made, corrupted and imperfect, sans-Guardian
> > organization erected by you as a disfigured substitute for the
> > divinely-conceived Order bequeathed to us by ŒAbdušl-Bahá is able to replace
> > an Order alluded to by Bahášušlláh as "this unique, this wondrous System
> > the like of which mortal eyes have never witnessed" and an Order that he
> > stated has been founded on the bedrock of " Godšs immutable Purpose for
Dermod Ryder
"Matt Menge" <mspm...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:dc19cfc5.02082...@posting.google.com...
> George, you appear to be the only one on this group who has written
to
> Mr. Marangella. Usually his posts are just ignored, or at least
> responded to in private.
>
Was it not the other way round, Matt?
I recollect JJ writing to correct George Flaming's opinions rather
than George responding to him. As I recollect, George the Guardian
cited us all as Covenant Breakers - including the Blessed Mediatrix,
Mr Melonyellow, Miss Maddy and even the saintly Michael the Canny. On
me, again if I recollect accurately, he bestowed the Order of the
Petrol Bomb in Window.
Dermod.