To all SBLive! Value Users
PCKING
Value有晒以上兩種"功能"，我又冇開盡Volume，大約只係開 80%到咋。請問點解？係
咪壞？
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PCKING <pck...@hongkong.com> wrote in message
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Ernest Wong
I connect it to the HI-FI and never 拆聲 using Live!
PCKING
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小圈圈 OoOoOOOooO <jack...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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> 如果係 VIA 底板就 download VIA IRQ routing driver.
>
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> http://home.netvigator.com/~jackiesp
> Copyright 1999, All Rights Reserved.
> 想 e-mail 我就請給我真正的 e-mail address, 免得我 reply 了但是 returned
> mail.
>
>
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Ernest Wong <wonge...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Or your speakers are really 'cheap' !
>
> I connect it to the HI-FI and never 拆聲 using Live!
>
>
>
Ernest Wong
You can try to set the volume to maxium in the mixer. Then set the volume
control in your speaker at a low value. Is there any 拆聲 ? If it has, sound
card problem. if it don't get any 拆聲, buy a better speaker la !
But this happen to my old SB16, but never since AWE !
it is believed that the dymasic range of the sound card is too 'narrow'.
SB16 only 90db, 96db in AWE64 value and 120db under 64 Gold. Now the live
get 196 db ! More than 2 times that SB16 offers !
But CD only get 96db, and mp3 is slightly lower(under96) because it is
compressed!
PCKING <pck...@hongkong.com> wrote in message
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小圈圈 OoOoOOOooO
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PCKING <pck...@hongkong.com> wrote in message
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> 我已經用緊IRQ Routing 1.3
>
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> PCKING
> E-mail: pck...@hongkong.com
> ICQ Uin: 3010494
>
> The 「PCKING」is trademark of PCKING .
> (C) Copyright 1998 Produced By 「PCKING」
> (C) Copyright 1997, PCKING(TM). All rights reserved.
>
>
> 小圈圈 OoOoOOOooO <jack...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
> news:7kl2oa$shf$1...@imsp009a.netvigator.com...
> > 如果係 VIA 底板就 download VIA IRQ routing driver.
> >
> > --
> > 小圈圈 OoOoOOOooO <-- 係 "小" 唔係 "大"
> > http://home.netvigator.com/~jackiesp
> > Copyright 1999, All Rights Reserved.
> > 想 e-mail 我就請給我真正的 e-mail address, 免得我 reply 了但是 returned
> > mail.
> >
> >
KK
> 我之前用SB16 ISA冇事架！我用Labtec 2420 Speaker，都唔算Cheap ( $599 )
>
> PCKING
> E-mail: pck...@hongkong.com
> ICQ Uin: 3010494
>
> The 「PCKING」is trademark of PCKING .
> (C) Copyright 1998 Produced By 「PCKING」
> (C) Copyright 1997, PCKING(TM). All rights reserved.
>
>
> news:7kl3ae$k24$2...@imsp009a.netvigator.com...
> > Or your speakers are really 'cheap' !
> >
> > I connect it to the HI-FI and never 拆聲 using Live!
> >
> >
> >
PCKING
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Ernest Wong <wonge...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Not bad and not cheap.
>
> You can try to set the volume to maxium in the mixer. Then set the volume
> control in your speaker at a low value. Is there any 拆聲 ? If it has,
sound
> card problem. if it don't get any 拆聲, buy a better speaker la !
>
> But this happen to my old SB16, but never since AWE !
> it is believed that the dymasic range of the sound card is too 'narrow'.
> SB16 only 90db, 96db in AWE64 value and 120db under 64 Gold. Now the live
> get 196 db ! More than 2 times that SB16 offers !
> But CD only get 96db, and mp3 is slightly lower(under96) because it is
> compressed!
>
>
benn...@my-deja.com
following link to see a more reliable statistics, and don't be fooled
by creative, it tell lies.
SBLive digital out
http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/ct462048/index.htm
SBLive analog out
http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/ct4620/index.htm
AWE64 Gold
http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/ct4390/index.htm
AWE64 Value
http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/ct4500/index.htm
In article <7kl91u$kh8$1...@imsp009a.netvigator.com>,
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Ernest Wong
the DACs.
The internal calculations of EMU10K1 meet 32bit,48khz !
This kind of 'oversampling' is alway used in HI-FI equipments to improve the
overall audio performance!
I want to know what speakers does the reviews use as audio monitor! What
external D/A conventor they used ? Digital out mainly depends on their
external DACs!
My SBLive is connected to the Onkyo 939 AV decoder +amp and speakers are
Sonus Faber Ground Paino. I heard great different between Gold and Live, but
when using SPDIF of Gold and Live to listen MIDI and wave(Gold doen't
support digital CD-Audio in), there's nearly no different because Gold's
output is 20bit,44.1khz while live get 16bit,48khz !
<benn...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7km9ru$lsh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Ernest Wong
I was a AWE64 Gold user and now I've bought he SBLive + Optical IO! The
noise of SBLive is improved a lot compare to 64Gold !
But the results shows that there's a 78db S/N ratio in Gold and only 73db
under Live ! But it's fake in my experience!
But a cheap Diamond Mx100 is marked very good for all items while Live
can't, it is a site supported for diamond?
Also, they don't show any benchmarking equipments !
Ernest Wong
It's controlled by Diamond !
The reviews are fake and false!
benn...@my-deja.com
reading the links I mentioned.
But do u know the formula of calculating dynamic range? The following
text is copied from the manual of a famous sound-editing software
"Sound Forge 4.5"
http://www.sonicfoundry.com
(start)
At what level, then, should a signal be recorded digitally? The
standard method
for digital metering is to use the maximum possible sample amplitude as
a
reference point. This value (32,768) is referred to as 0 decibels, or 0
dB.
Decibels are used to represent fractions logarithmically. In this case,
the
fraction is: sample amplitude divided by the maximum possible amplitude.
The actual equation used to convert to decibels is: dB = 20 log
(amplitude/32,768)
Say you have a sine wave with a peak amplitude of 50% of full scale.
Plugging
the numbers in gives you 20 log (0.50) = -6.0 dB. In fact, every time
you
divide a signal𠏋 amplitude by two, you subtract its dB value by 6 dB.
Likewise,
doubling the amplitude of a signal increases its dB value by 6 dB. If
you kept
dividing your sine wave until its peak amplitude was equal to 1, you鏆
get the
very lowest peak dB possible, -90.3 dB.
(end)
Now try to do the same formula in 16, 20, 24, and 32-bit audio:
16-bit value is +32767 to -32768
20 log(1/32768) = -90.3089...
20-bit value is +524287 to -524288
20 log(1/524288) = -114.3913...
24-bit value is +8388607 to -8388608
20 log(1/8388608) = -138.4737...
32-bit value is +2147483647 to -2147483648
20 log(1/2147483648) = -186.6385...
The above result is the best result possible for different sound
format, all audio equipment must have some distortion to affect these
result. In fact, anything better than -90dB is already perfect for most
people (including me).
I don't know why u said that pcavtech is controlled by Diamond, as I've
found that Diamond card's benchmark is not really much better than
Creative's. What made me believe pcavtech is that I tried to generate
a pure 1khz test tone and a white noise using Cool Edit Pro 1.1
(http://www.syntrillium.com), then make them into soundfont format and
then played these 2 sound from the MIDI port and recorded them back to
wave again (I'm using SB32 PnP, a cheap version of AWE32 without 512k
RAM onboard, but I've upgraded it to 8MB), then I examined the wave
file using Cool Edit Pro's FFT analysis, I found that my card's
frequency response is about 40hz to 18khz, and s/n ratio is about 60dB,
very similar to the result from pcavtech.
You asked me what equipment pcavtech are used, they're Event Gina
(http://www.event1.com) and LynxONE (http://www.lynxstudio.com). These
2 cards are very professional cards, LynxONE even has AES/EBU ports
which is better than S/PDIF. You can search the newsgroup
(rec.audio.pro) to see recording engineers' opinions about these cards
and see how they compare them with Creative's card, I'm not cheating
you.
In article <7kn46d$hhv$1...@imsp009a.netvigator.com>,
"Ernest Wong" <wonge...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> But I'd rather not believe the result !
>
> I was a AWE64 Gold user and now I've bought he SBLive + Optical IO!
The
> noise of SBLive is improved a lot compare to 64Gold !
>
> But the results shows that there's a 78db S/N ratio in Gold and only
73db
> under Live ! But it's fake in my experience!
>
> But a cheap Diamond Mx100 is marked very good for all items while Live
> can't, it is a site supported for diamond?
>
> Also, they don't show any benchmarking equipments !
>
benn...@my-deja.com
although SBLive is internal 32-bit, but it's digital output is 16-bit
only, so 196dB is impossible. pcavtech's result is 91dB, it is much
more reasonable. pcavtech rated most of SBLive's digital out as
"excellent" (except frequency response), this showed that pcavtech is
not controlled by Diamond, nor Anti-Creative.
In article <7koqcc$io2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
benn...@my-deja.com
comfortable...)
I found u have 3 replies about my post, thanks to you for so carefully
reading the links I mentioned.
But do u know the formula of calculating dynamic range? (to be more
correct, it should be s/n ratio) The following text is copied from the
manual of a famous sound-editing software "Sound Forge 4.5"
http://www.sonicfoundry.com
(start)
At what level, then, should a signal be recorded digitally? The
standard method for digital metering is to use the maximum possible
sample amplitude as a reference point. This value (32,768) is referred
to as 0 decibels, or 0dB. Decibels are used to represent fractions
logarithmically. In this case, the fraction is: sample amplitude
divided by the maximum possible amplitude. The actual equation used to
convert to decibels is: dB = 20 log (amplitude/32,768) Say you have a
sine wave with a peak amplitude of 50% of full scale. Plugging the
numbers in gives you 20 log (0.50) = -6.0 dB. In fact, every time you
divide a signal amplitude by two, you subtract its dB value by 6 dB.
Likewise, doubling the amplitude of a signal increases its dB value by
6 dB. If you kept dividing your sine wave until its peak amplitude was
equal to 1, you get the very lowest peak dB possible, -90.3 dB.
(end)
Now try to do the same formula in 16, 20, 24, and 32-bit audio:
16-bit value is +32767 to -32768
20 log(1/32768) = -90.3089...
20-bit value is +524287 to -524288
20 log(1/524288) = -114.3913...
24-bit value is +8388607 to -8388608
20 log(1/8388608) = -138.4737...
32-bit value is +2147483647 to -2147483648
20 log(1/2147483648) = -186.6385...
The above result is the best result possible for different sound
format, all audio equipment must have some distortion to affect these
result. In fact, anything better than -90dB is already perfect for most
people (including me).
although SBLive is internal 32-bit, it's digital output is 16-bit only,
so 196dB is impossible. pcavtech's result is 91dB, it is much more
reasonable. pcavtech rated most of SBLive's digital out as "excellent"
(except frequency response), this showed that pcavtech is not
controlled by Diamond, nor Anti-Creative.
I don't know why u said that pcavtech is controlled by Diamond, as I've
found that Diamond card's benchmark is not really much better than
Creative's. What made me believe pcavtech is that I tried to generate
a pure 1khz test tone and a white noise using Cool Edit Pro 1.1
(http://www.syntrillium.com), then make them into soundfont format and
then played these 2 sound from the MIDI port and recorded them back to
wave again (I'm using SB32 PnP, a cheap version of AWE32 without 512k
RAM onboard, but I've upgraded it to 8MB), then I examined the wave
file using Cool Edit Pro's FFT analysis, I found that my card's
frequency response is about 40hz to 18khz, and s/n ratio is about 60dB,
very similar to the result from pcavtech.
You asked me what equipment pcavtech are used, they're Event Gina
(http://www.event1.com) and LynxONE (http://www.lynxstudio.com). These
2 cards are very professional cards, LynxONE even has AES/EBU ports
which is better than S/PDIF. You can search the newsgroup
(rec.audio.pro) to see recording engineers' opinions about these cards
and see how they compare them with Creative's card, I'm not cheating
you.
In article <7knf1l$ver$1...@imsp009a.netvigator.com>,
"Ernest Wong" <wonge...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Don't see the reviews from www.pcavtech.com again,Bennetng!
> It's controlled by Diamond !
> The reviews are fake and false!
>
KongKee
amp+speaker駁sblive!黎聽分別....
點知你仲好野~db值點計既方法都有埋~仲做埋測試...."服"字送比你~~
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ps: 其實有乜可能有196db丫,前排我曾響D av group聽人吹過,下一代既
設備(好似係吹緊sony/philips新出既DSD機定amp之類..)最勁都係去到120db...