Montana -- No Speed Limits?
Quicksilver
>>>
>>>Richard, this summer I rode thru Montana south to north and west to east and what I understood to be the case was that, all
>>>other things being equal, your speed should be determined by the amount of traffic you are encountering. In other words, don't
>>>go cutting in and out of traffic like you are in a race....
>>>
>>>I do not remember seeing anyone in the 100+ area the whole time I was up there, except for me when I bounced it up to 125
>>>mph (perfect place to satisfy my STOC nominal speed requirement) a couple of times going accross the top of Montana on Rt
>>>2 where you can see for 50 miles ahead of you and there was no other traffic around.
>>>
>>>Bill
>
>>The conditions for my citation were that I was averaging low 100's (mph) on I-15S during a sunny, Saturday afternoon with no
>>traffic.
>>
>>I had long discussions with the Patrolman and the Judge. Both find it unreasonable and improper to travel at 100mph under any
>>circumstances. The patrolman in this case said that he would pull over anyone going 85 or more and might let a capable
>>driver/vehicle slide in the 80's - but 90+ is considered unreasonable.
>
>>The Patrolman was nice and didn't hassle me, but bases "reasonable and proper" (legally) as what mom and pop down at the
>>soda shop think is ok. This, they say, is what you'd get in a jury selection.
>
>>At any rate, they would like it to be known that we do not have carte blanche on Montana freeways. My advice for those who
>>travel fast is to use the same judgement you would if it were posted 85mph.
>
>"Well, Richard, I guess that I was fortunate that there was no patrolman around at the times when I decided to exceed 100
>mph. My reaction to your information is that this type of law enforcement is arbitrary and unfair. It is not in accordance with
>what they state on the "Welcome to Montana" signs which state that the speed limit is "Reasonable and Prudent." There is no
>limit to the speed stated there. If they really do have a limit to the speed then they should so state it and not waylay and, in
>effect, bushwhack motorists like you who can in fact, based on weather, traffic, and road conditions drive/ride in a "Reasonable
>and Prudent" manner at 100 mph or more. It happens on the German autobahns all the time and, like the interstate system here,
>the autobahn is the safest place in Germany to drive.
>
>I had a great time riding around in Montana this summer. Most of it was cruising between 85 and 95 mph. I found that going
>faster than that really caused things to start to blur as they went by and I could not appreciate the beauty of the countryside the
>way I wanted to. I also found that speeds in excess of that are, for me, uncomfortable to maintain and therefore not the best
>long distance riding strategy anyway."
>
>Bill
So there you have it. Yes, there is no formal speed limit in Montana -
it is much worse then that. Any cop can pick any number
he wants and give you a ticket...
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caught by a trooper up that way is pretty hard to do. An interview with a
state trooper from Montana essentially said that if you ever broke down on
the highway, it could be days and possible a week or more before a trooper
ever came by and was able to help ya. Don't remeber the number of troopers
for the state...but it was around 20 or less (not much for a good sized
state like Montana....).
But yeah...as far as the speed limit goes....it's exposed to be what you
consider reasonable and prudent...as long as your definition and the
trooper's are the same. :) (according to an interview with Drew Carey...it
was 160 for him in his new Porche 911 :)). I looked into that whole speed
limit thing for a possible upcoming cross country "I finally fucking
graduated" trip :)
Anyway...
Quicksilver
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his infinite number of typewriters and the following hilarity ensued:
>
>Fuck Montana.
>
Fuck cops...with a cement drill, of course.
Have I mentioned that in Brazil they don't stop you for going too fast
even if you're going 200?
Jeremy Lakey
>even if you're going 200?
only if you're a taxi driver. And you must be taking the corners on two
wheels... In an ancient volkswagen that is held together by chicken wire.
Man, I have never been so scared as when I took a taxi in Rio. They're
insane! I'll bet we about tipped the car three times in the 2 1/2 miles I
had to go...
but it was fun for 8 neuvo crusados however...
(yeah, I know, neuvo crusados, it was 1989 for cryin out loud...)
Jeremy Lakey
Quicksilver
who is a clear *WINNER* unleashed his infinite number of monkeys on
his infinite number of typewriters and the following hilarity ensued:
>>Have I mentioned that in Brazil they don't stop you for going too fast
>>even if you're going 200?
>
>only if you're a taxi driver. And you must be taking the corners on two
>wheels... In an ancient volkswagen that is held together by chicken wire.
>Man, I have never been so scared as when I took a taxi in Rio. They're
>insane! I'll bet we about tipped the car three times in the 2 1/2 miles I
>had to go...
WAHAHAHAHAHA...sweet price of freedom. I can only imagine the average
tourist when boarding a "Brasilia" (ancient Volkswagen
stationwagon...it was never made in the US I think) and being driven
as if by Ayrton Senna. And the brazilians all think they're the only
ones in the world who know how to drive.
> but it was fun for 8 neuvo crusados however...
>(yeah, I know, neuvo crusados, it was 1989 for cryin out loud...)
Cruzados Novos?? LOL!! Another wonderful late 80's era economic
miracle. They use the Real now (Reais plural). I loved the 80s but
economically it was chaos. Money changed names some five times.
William Greene
Quicksilver <invalid....@prin.edu> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:03:39 -0700, "Cory & Shanna" <cor...@e-z.net>
> who is a clear *WINNER* unleashed his infinite number of monkeys on
> his infinite number of typewriters and the following hilarity ensued:
>
> >
> >Fuck Montana.
> >
>
> Fuck cops...with a cement drill, of course.
>
> Have I mentioned that in Brazil they don't stop you for going too fast
> even if you're going 200?
So do they have any laws in Brazil?
Ian Manning
: So do they have any laws in Brazil?
I think there is some law about not beating France in football.
Ian
Quicksilver
<william...@msfc.nasa.gov> who is a clear *WINNER* unleashed his
infinite number of monkeys on his infinite number of typewriters and
the following hilarity ensued:
>So do they have any laws in Brazil?
They have ten major ones, but they're pretty vague. There is also the
constitution, which is valued above all else. But it was written
before steroids and cars came into the picture. ;-)
There are cops but they're just there to keep the peace, not to harass
citizens. Unfortunately some of them have very broad definitions of
their job description.
Sometimes criminals get lynched in public. I kinda miss that. It
generally happens that an armed robber will screw up and get beat up
by a citizen then the surrounding public will stomp the criminal to
death.
Krista mentioned death squads once. As a brazilian citizen I must
mention that within that social context the death squads should exist.
Unfortunately in real life they don't. The shooting of "homeless
children" is often linked to organised crime and happens once in a
blue moon. There have been two such incidents during my lifetime.
Gambling is legal although casinos are not. Go figure. Prostitution is
legal but whorehouses aren't although the law is not enforced. Pimping
is forbidden since prostitution is a registered and taxable
profession.
I remember this one case where in a suburb there was a serial killer
who had been caught. The public was lynching and stoning him after his
failed attempt to rape a 6 year old. This american lady put herself
between him and the mob and kept him from being quartered. Sigh. He
had raped and killed over 14 women. She defended his civil rights
until the police arrived. On his third night in jail he escaped and in
the next 4 weeks he killed about 8 more women until he was
accidentally ran over by a truck while fleeing a crime scene.
Drugs like pot, heroin, etc. are also illegal, but they're there. When
I was 15 heroin was the big thing and it killed scores of my friends
and my first true love. Point being I think if you look for trouble
you find it anywhere.
John Wash
> Quicksilver <invalid....@prin.edu> wrote:
> > On Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:03:39 -0700, "Cory & Shanna" <cor...@e-z.net>
> > who is a clear *WINNER* unleashed his infinite number of monkeys on
> > his infinite number of typewriters and the following hilarity ensued:
> >
> > >Fuck Montana.
> >
> > Fuck cops...with a cement drill, of course.
> >
> > Have I mentioned that in Brazil they don't stop you for going too fast
> > even if you're going 200?
>
> So do they have any laws in Brazil?
Sure. You can't buy MDMA.
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Quicksilver
who is a clear *WINNER* unleashed his infinite number of monkeys on
his infinite number of typewriters and the following hilarity ensued:
>William Greene (william...@msfc.nasa.gov) wrote:
>: So do they have any laws in Brazil?
>
> I think there is some law about not beating France in football.
Yep, the law says that after beating any one country 199 times you're
supposed to let them win. Even in the finals. So there.
Tim Fogarty
> I remember this one case where in a suburb there was a serial killer
> who had been caught. The public was lynching and stoning him after his
> failed attempt to rape a 6 year old. This american lady put herself
> between him and the mob and kept him from being quartered. Sigh. He
> had raped and killed over 14 women.
And of course, there's never a case of mistaken identity with the lynch mobs.
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William Greene
Tim Fogarty <fog...@netcom.com> wrote:
> Quicksilver (invalid....@prin.edu) wrote:
>
> > I remember this one case where in a suburb there was a serial killer
> > who had been caught. The public was lynching and stoning him after his
> > failed attempt to rape a 6 year old. This american lady put herself
> > between him and the mob and kept him from being quartered. Sigh. He
> > had raped and killed over 14 women.
>
> And of course, there's never a case of mistaken identity with the lynch
mobs.
Of course not. Mob capture, mob prosecution, mob sentencing, and mob
execution. It's a perfectly sensible alternative to law and order.
Quicksilver
<william...@msfc.nasa.gov> who is a clear *WINNER* unleashed his
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the following hilarity ensued:
>Of course not. Mob capture, mob prosecution, mob sentencing, and mob
>execution. It's a perfectly sensible alternative to law and order.
You guys are just purple with envy, I can tell. ;-)
Quicksilver
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>And of course, there's never a case of mistaken identity with the lynch mobs.
And of course, there is never a case of mistaken identity with your
american death penalty. It's just slower than a lynch mob, I know.
A more straight reply: Not really. No mob ever starts unless the
criminal is caught in the act. There are rules about this stuff, you
know, and everybody reads "The Ox-Bow Incident" in school. ;-)
Aaron
Quicksilver <invalid....@prin.edu> wrote in article
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> On Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:20:12 GMT, fog...@netcom.com (Tim Fogarty) who
> is a clear *WINNER* unleashed his infinite number of monkeys on his
> infinite number of typewriters and the following hilarity ensued:
>
> >And of course, there's never a case of mistaken identity with the lynch
mobs.
>
> And of course, there is never a case of mistaken identity with your
> american death penalty. It's just slower than a lynch mob, I know.
>
> A more straight reply: Not really. No mob ever starts unless the
> criminal is caught in the act. There are rules about this stuff, you
> know, and everybody reads "The Ox-Bow Incident" in school. ;-)
your not from the US, and your definitely positively not from LA or
NYC....... they dont follow the same rules here!
BTW, what the fuck is the ox bow incident!?
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Quicksilver
clear *WINNER* unleashed his infinite number of monkeys on his
infinite number of typewriters and the following hilarity ensued:
>your not from the US, and your definitely positively not from LA or
>NYC....... they dont follow the same rules here!
>BTW, what the fuck is the ox bow incident!?
It's a study in mob behaviour and the lynching of criminals. It's
based on a true story, but it's a classic of modern literature. I
place it right up there with "The Grapes of Wrath", another junior
high school requirement.
Buckshot
> So there you have it. Yes, there is no formal speed limit in Montana -
> it is much worse then that. Any cop can pick any number
> he wants and give you a ticket...
>
if you're on a hiway on one of the reservations, you're not likely to be
given a ticket. The reservations are hardly patrolled anyway. Out of
the dozens of times I've been to a particular reservation, I've seen
only one person get pulled over on the hiway (and that was when there
were specified speed limits.)
Another interesting fact about reservations in Montana: there is no
sales tax. Also an unbelievable number of people are on welfare. There
was a lady my aunt talked to that said nobody in her family had worked
in THREE GENERATIONS!!! Alcoholism, obesity, and diabetes, and crime is
all sky high as well. Good thing the clinics are free to tribal
members......
Bob Mann
(Quicksilver) wrote:
>On 4 Sep 1998 08:06:59 GMT, "Aaron" <tr...@earthlink.net> who is a
>clear *WINNER* unleashed his infinite number of monkeys on his
>infinite number of typewriters and the following hilarity ensued:
>
>
>>your not from the US, and your definitely positively not from LA or
>>NYC....... they dont follow the same rules here!
>>BTW, what the fuck is the ox bow incident!?
>
>It's a study in mob behaviour and the lynching of criminals. It's
>based on a true story, but it's a classic of modern literature. I
>place it right up there with "The Grapes of Wrath", another junior
>high school requirement.
>
Junior High?
We read the Oxbow Incident in grade 11.
At least some did. I just watched the movie.
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little green men from mars, rmann...@escape.ca (Bob Mann) who is a
clear *WINNER* shooed away flying elves, unleashed his infinite number
of monkeys on his infinite number of typewriters and the following
hilarity ensued:
>>It's a study in mob behaviour and the lynching of criminals. It's
>>based on a true story, but it's a classic of modern literature. I
>>place it right up there with "The Grapes of Wrath", another junior
>>high school requirement.
>>
>Junior High?
>We read the Oxbow Incident in grade 11.
>At least some did. I just watched the movie.
I think we read Oxbow in grade 8, but Grapes much later. It's easy for
a bunch of kids to relate to lynching.
;-)
Kim Naru [CONTRACTOR]
I hope you weren't trying to make a derogatory statement about
Native Americans. There are alot of wonderful things about
the Navtive American culture along with some of the problems.
Now would your relatives live in towns like twodot or something?
--kim
Buckshot
Kim Naru [CONTRACTOR] wrote:
I'm not trying to make any derogatory statements about Native Americans. In
fact I have a little Native American in me, and half of my relatives are of
Native American descent. I'm not sure where Twodot is; the area I'm referring to
is on the Fort Peck reservation. I'm not saying everything that's going on is
the wrong-doing of the Native American people. My aunt told me that the
government caused many of the problems by giving too much support to the Native
Americans that don't work so that they can make almost as good of a living as the
ones who do work. But it looks like the government is now encouraging Native
Americans to work; in fact, it is legal for some companies on tribal land to hire
Native Americans over people of other races based on their race. Some white
people took this company to court and said that this was discrimination. The
judge ruled that while it was discrimination, it was legal because the government
treats the Native Americans as a seperate entity and said something else about
the amount of unemployed people made it a time of emergency (this isn't exact
ruling, but it was something to this effect).
As far as I know, this is the only case in the U.S. where it is legal to
discriminate based on race (correct me if I'm wrong), but I support it anyway
because it can get some of the Native American people back on their feet.
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DustinW406
[CONTRACTOR]) writes:
> Almost all of my relatives live in Montana, and from what I've heard,
>: if you're on a hiway on one of the reservations, you're not likely to be
>: given a ticket. The reservations are hardly patrolled anyway. Out of
>: the dozens of times I've been to a particular reservation, I've seen
>: only one person get pulled over on the hiway (and that was when there
>: were specified speed limits.)
>: Another interesting fact about reservations in Montana: there is no
>: sales tax. Also an unbelievable number of people are on welfare. There
>: was a lady my aunt talked to that said nobody in her family had worked
>: in THREE GENERATIONS!!! Alcoholism, obesity, and diabetes, and crime is
>: all sky high as well. Good thing the clinics are free to tribal
>: members......
>
> I hope you weren't trying to make a derogatory statement about
> Native Americans. There are alot of wonderful things about
> the Navtive American culture along with some of the problems.
> Now would your relatives live in towns like twodot or something?
>
>
>--kim
>
Kim,
It doesn't sound like he's making a derogatory statement about NA's. I lived
in MT for most of my life and there are definitely problems. The avg lifespan
for a native american in MT is 55 years old. They (yes I'm generalizing) don't
take very good care of themselves and have practically no work ethic. A native
american can attend the universities practically free in MT thanks to numerous
grants, but unfortunately they just don't take advantage of it.
Dustin