SEE BACON Found In Comparison of Lucrece Lines in Quarto and Northumberland
Elizabeth Weir
In 1938 Clara Longworth de Chambrun, an American Stratfordian
scholar with a doctorate from the University of Paris for her
thesis on Florio and Shakespeare, asked the question:
Even accepting, for the sake of discussion, the idea that
the attorney had adopted the name William Shakespeare as
a nom de plume, and had arranged the line from "Lucrece"
so that it can be made to read See Bacon, why is this writing
not in Bacon's hand?
De Chambrun is referring to Francis Bacon as "the attorney,"
[Clara was terrified of Bacon], the line from Lucrece
is written in the lower left hand corner of the Northumberland
MS and other than that I cannot "SEE BACON" in those lines
or in a comparison of the lines found in the Northumberland
and the Shakespeare quarto.
I will, however take Clara's word for the fact that SEE BACON
exists in the lines or in the difference between the two lines
[one ends in "peeps" the other in "spies," otherwise they are
identical] because Clara was prominent in Shakespearean circles
at the turn of the century and Oxford and Cambridge Stratfordian
scholars wrote prefaces to her several popular books on Shakespeare.
Clara was a diligent researcher and discovered a number of
important documents that Strats have accepted as legitimate.
Clara was also the first to posit the Catholic Shakespeare theory
among other theories now accepted or that are in the process of
being accepted by Strats.
Clara also made a really monumental discovery--she found
Shakespeare's copy of Holinshed in the possession of a
Capt. Jaggard of Stratford, identified as the "Skipworth
Holinshed." The pages in the Skipworth Holinshed that correspond
to the plays are worn and marked up and contain a huge amount of
marginalia while pages not corresponding to the plays are clean
and unmarked. Experts at Cambridge dated the Holinshed and
authenticated the ink and paper.
Unfortunately Shakespeare's Holinshed also had Bacon's personal
monograms in the marginalia--Clara even made her way into
the halls of the Earls of Northumberland--only the third scholar
to manage that as far as I know--to get a look at identical
Bacon monograms in the upper right hand corner of the
Northumberland MS. It looks as if Clara Longworth got luckier
than she knew and as a consequence the Skipworth Holinshed,
so promising as a piece of authorship evidence, has dropped
from sight like a stone.
John Bede
The Anti-Baconians just have to give in. Refusing to accept him as
Shakespeare is refusing to observe the obvious and to refuse to accept
the self-evident as over-obvious evidence.
John Bede
Elizabeth Weir
Unfortunately it's not about facts or evidence, its about
which authorship candidate has the most seductive biography.
lowercase dave
> Unfortunately it's not about facts or evidence, its about
> which authorship candidate has the most seductive biography.
Perhaps you're right, elizabeth.
Now (as i've asked you elsewhere) what evidence can you show of
Bacon's hand in V&A or Lucrece?
Can you point to any ideas expressed in Bacon's writings that are
found in Lucrece or Venus & Adonis? Was he pro-Republic form of
government like the author of Lucrece?
david more
p.s. i found two lines ending with "spies" in Lucrece (none with
"peeps")
And being lighted, by the light he spies
and
Revealing day through every cranny spies
SEE BACON? i'm trying to understand here, Elizabeth. Big fan of
Francis, his essays and all. Too bad about the Essex uprising. But
let's stay in 1593-94 for a few, and those two narrative poems
dedicated to Wriothesley. Okay?
dave
<http://www.marlovian.com/blog/marlivs.html>
Elizabeth Weir
> > which authorship candidate has the most seductive biography.
>
> Perhaps you're right, elizabeth.
>
> Bacon's hand in V&A or Lucrece?
Sorry, I missed your earlier question.
There's a fairly long answer to your question above so I'll
put it in a new thread.
> Can you point to any ideas expressed in Bacon's writings that are
> found in Lucrece or Venus & Adonis? Was he pro-Republic form of
> government like the author of Lucrece?
Bacon was a republican. The Anglican Puritans at Court were
Ciceronians who wanted a republican monarchy. They had not yet
conceived of a constitutional monarchy in the modern sense--the
philosopher of law Francis Bacon would do that a decade later in
his constitution-founding brief for the Case of the Post Nati.
> david more
>
> p.s. i found two lines ending with "spies" in Lucrece (none with
> "peeps")
I didn't see that. Thanks.
> And being lighted, by the light he spies
> and
> Revealing day through every cranny spies
>
> SEE BACON? i'm trying to understand here, Elizabeth. Big fan of
> Francis, his essays and all. Too bad about the Essex uprising.
Bacon had the historical foresight to write Essex letters telling
him in so many words to stop acting like a fool and obey the Queen.
Those letters should clear Bacon of all charges but Bacon can't
get out of the role as Judas to the Strat Jesus until Strats stop
believing in false idols.
> But
> let's stay in 1593-94 for a few, and those two narrative poems
> dedicated to Wriothesley. Okay?
I'm working on it.
David L. Webb
graydo...@netscape.net (lowercase dave) wrote:
> elizabe...@mail.com (Elizabeth Weir) wrote in message
>
> > Unfortunately it's not about facts or evidence, its about
> > which authorship candidate has the most seductive biography.
> Perhaps you're right, elizabeth.
There's always a first time, I suppose.
> Now (as i've asked you elsewhere) what evidence can you show of
> Bacon's hand in V&A or Lucrece?
>
> Can you point to any ideas expressed in Bacon's writings that are
> found in Lucrece or Venus & Adonis? Was he pro-Republic form of
> government like the author of Lucrece?
>
> david more
>
> p.s. i found two lines ending with "spies" in Lucrece (none with
> "peeps")
>
>
> And being lighted, by the light he spies
> and
> Revealing day through every cranny spies
>
> SEE BACON? i'm trying to understand here, Elizabeth.
Don't, Dave -- that way madness lies.
[...]
lowercase dave
that fine madness that rightly should possess a poet's left brain? Or
mad as a hatterness? Either way, I'll heed DW's warning, and do my
best to resist Elizabeth Weir's alluring evidence, if she produces
any, that Bacon had anything to do with Venus & Adonis and The Rape of
Lucrece.
But surely Bacon was involved in assembling the Folio (at least)?
along with Jonson? and possibly Florio? Certainly, not the retired
actors Heminge and Condell, right? I mean, even if you think William
of Stratford penned the plays singlehandedly, those guys weren't the
editors. Were they? Or is that still the popular Stratfordian belief.
david "don't get mad, get even" more
Naso
"Elizabeth Weir" <elizabe...@mail.com> wrote in message
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...Unfortunately the 'facts and evidence' upon which Baconians and
Oxfordians generally rely are spurious and ignorant of the historical record
(which is prima facie evidence of the fact that william shakespeare of
stratford wrote the works attributed to him).