IDDY UMPTY
Steve G Bryan
With all the nostalgia floating around this newsgroup lately I thought
it might bring back a few memories for the serious old boys amongst you
that can remember this terminology. What was/is IDDY UMPTY.
Bet Walt knows this one !
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Steve G Bryan
Michael Gathergood
In message <VQ6LzHAYL3$yE...@awards.demon.co.uk>
Steve G Bryan <St...@awards.demon.co.uk> writes:
> What was/is IDDY UMPTY.
Whouff Hong's baby sister?
73
Mike
G4KFK
Walt Davidson
Steve G Bryan <St...@awards.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>What was/is IDDY UMPTY.
>Bet Walt knows this one !
I could think of a rude answer .... but no, I'm stumped!
Spill the beans!
73 de G3NYY
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Dez Wood
In article <33068a0c...@news.dial.pipex.com>, Walt Davidson
<wa...@dial.pipex.com> writes
When I was in the Home Guard, We were taught "flag morse"
This was made by waving a flag over the head, a dot being from the start
position over the left shoulder to a corresponding position over the
right shoulder and return, the movement being made in a figure 8 motion,
so that the flag did not snarl up.
The dash was the same thing but over a longer movement.
When learning, the word iddy represented the movement for a dot and
umpty that for a dash.
hence iddy iddy iddyt umpty would represent letter V
Hope that this is clear, if not let me know.
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Dez Wood
G3HKO G-AYRS G-BAAD
Brian Carling G3XLQ/AF4K
This system sounds to me like a mixture of Ken Dodd's "DIDDY MEN"
and 'Umpty Dumpty!
Dez Wood <d...@scarb.demon.co.uk> whistled a happy tune like:
73 from Bry (((Amateur Radio G3XLQ / AF4K)))
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Steve G Bryan
In article <00OacCAP...@scarb.demon.co.uk>, Dez Wood
<d...@scarb.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <33068a0c...@news.dial.pipex.com>, Walt Davidson
><wa...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>>Steve G Bryan <St...@awards.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>What was/is IDDY UMPTY.
>
>When I was in the Home Guard, We were taught "flag morse"
>This was made by waving a flag over the head, a dot being from the start
>position over the left shoulder to a corresponding position over the
>right shoulder and return, the movement being made in a figure 8 motion,
>so that the flag did not snarl up.
>The dash was the same thing but over a longer movement.
>When learning, the word iddy represented the movement for a dot and
>umpty that for a dash.
>hence iddy iddy iddyt umpty would represent letter V
>
>Hope that this is clear, if not let me know.
alternative to the TRUE meaning and source of IDDY-UMPTY.
During the period when the Royal (Corps of) Signals used Morse Sounders
it was said by the OKLs & OWKs of the Signal Corp that the double click
of the morse sounder sounded more like IDDY for a di & UMPTY for a dah.
This terminology stuck and it became common usage to refer to Morse via
Sounders as IDDY-UMPTY.
Any old Signallers around should be able to confirm this.
I'm only a sprog so my turns on the coil don't go back that far Hi.
But! I do remember my chief telling me about sounders when I was an RO1
at Mercury.
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Steve G Bryan
Steve G Bryan
In article <5e4jmt$j...@news1.mnsinc.com>, Brian Carling G3XLQ/AF4K
<b...@mnsinc.com.NO_SPAM> writes
>This system sounds to me like a mixture of Ken Dodd's "DIDDY MEN"
>and 'Umpty Dumpty!
>
>Dez Wood <d...@scarb.demon.co.uk> whistled a happy tune like:
>
Could it be you are yet another re-issued callsign, a wet inked newcomer
with an established call-sign.
Are you the person that thought the Three Tenors was the money your mate
owed you??
Was it you that said Backgammon was ok as long as there where chips and
peas with it?
>|>In article <33068a0c...@news.dial.pipex.com>, Walt Davidson
>|><wa...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>|>>Steve G Bryan <St...@awards.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>|>>
>|>>>What was/is IDDY UMPTY.
>
>|>When I was in the Home Guard, We were taught "flag morse"
>|>This was made by waving a flag over the head, a dot being from the start
>|>position over the left shoulder to a corresponding position over the
>|>right shoulder and return, the movement being made in a figure 8 motion,
>|>so that the flag did not snarl up.
>|>The dash was the same thing but over a longer movement.
>|>When learning, the word iddy represented the movement for a dot and
>|>umpty that for a dash.
>|>hence iddy iddy iddyt umpty would represent letter V
>
>|>Hope that this is clear, if not let me know.
>|>--
>|>Dez Wood
>|>G3HKO G-AYRS G-BAAD
>
>73 from Bry (((Amateur Radio G3XLQ / AF4K)))
>http://www.mnsinc.com/bry/
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Steve G Bryan
Dez Wood
Well Steve, it is right as far as I am concerned.
I was there,
I did it
but we didn't have tee shirts in those days.
73
>>Hope that this is clear, if not let me know.
>Not quite right Dez but I wouldn't doubt others might have adopted an
>alternative to the TRUE meaning and source of IDDY-UMPTY.
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Dez Wood
Brian Carling, AF4K / G3XLQ
Steve G Bryan <St...@awards.demon.co.uk> whistled a happy tune like:
|>In article <5e4jmt$j...@news1.mnsinc.com>, Brian Carling G3XLQ/AF4K
|><b...@mnsinc.com.NO_SPAM> writes
|>>This system sounds to me like a mixture of Ken Dodd's "DIDDY MEN"
|>>and 'Umpty Dumpty!
|>>
|>>Dez Wood <d...@scarb.demon.co.uk> whistled a happy tune like:
|>>
|>As a G3 I would have thought you might have know.
|>Could it be you are yet another re-issued callsign, a wet inked newcomer
|>with an established call-sign.
|>Are you the person that thought the Three Tenors was the money your mate
|>owed you??
|>Was it you that said Backgammon was ok as long as there where chips and
|>peas with it?
Pfft! Absolutely not Steve! Got my licence in 1968!
And there is nothing written in with a CRAYON on it either! :-)
As far as three "Tenors" go - well, I know that they make one and six!
Backgammon's OK as long as you don't lose!
Now, does all of this have ANYTHING to do with amateur radio or where were
we going with it?!! - Bry, G3XLQ / WB4FPH / AF4K
Steve G Bryan
In article <5e8i8u$e...@news1.mnsinc.com>, "Brian Carling, AF4K / G3XLQ"
<b...@mnsinc.com.NO_SPAM> writes
>Steve G Bryan <St...@awards.demon.co.uk> whistled a happy tune like:
>
>|>In article <5e4jmt$j...@news1.mnsinc.com>, Brian Carling G3XLQ/AF4K
>|><b...@mnsinc.com.NO_SPAM> writes
>|>>This system sounds to me like a mixture of Ken Dodd's "DIDDY MEN"
>|>>and 'Umpty Dumpty!
>|>>
>|>>Dez Wood <d...@scarb.demon.co.uk> whistled a happy tune like:
>|>>
>|>As a G3 I would have thought you might have know.
>|>Could it be you are yet another re-issued callsign, a wet inked newcomer
>|>with an established call-sign.
>|>Are you the person that thought the Three Tenors was the money your mate
>|>owed you??
>|>Was it you that said Backgammon was ok as long as there where chips and
>|>peas with it?
>
>Pfft! Absolutely not Steve! Got my licence in 1968!
>
>And there is nothing written in with a CRAYON on it either! :-)
>
>As far as three "Tenors" go - well, I know that they make one and six!
>
>Backgammon's OK as long as you don't lose!
>
>Now, does all of this have ANYTHING to do with amateur radio or where were
>we going with it?!! - Bry, G3XLQ / WB4FPH / AF4K
>
Amateur Radio is usually the last thing to find here!
73 es have a nice day now!
>73 from Bry (((Amateur Radio G3XLQ / AF4K)))
>http://www.mnsinc.com/bry/
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Steve G Bryan
Steve G Bryan
In article <4YBZnFAz...@scarb.demon.co.uk>, Dez Wood
<d...@scarb.demon.co.uk> writes
SEMAPHORE! not Flag Morse????????????????
How would you hear iddy iddy iddy umpty using flags ???????????? for the
letter V.
I HAVE got the Tee-Shirt, I WAS that man.
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Steve G Bryan
Dez Wood
>>
>Maybe so Dez but when I was taught signalling with flags it was called
>SEMAPHORE!
>How would you hear iddy iddy iddy umpty using flags ???????????? for the
>letter V.
Well you couldn't but it kept you cool.
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Dez Wood
Michael J Wooding
In article <OxBX1BAO...@awards.demon.co.uk>, Steve G Bryan
<St...@awards.demon.co.uk> writes
>Maybe so Dez but when I was taught signalling with flags it was called
There is a difference Steve. Flag Morse uses only two/three flag
positions, Semaphore uses many.
Mike
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Steve G Bryan
In article <eBqARDAQ...@scarb.demon.co.uk>, Dez Wood
<d...@scarb.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>Maybe so Dez but when I was taught signalling with flags it was called
>>SEMAPHORE!
>
>>How would you hear iddy iddy iddy umpty using flags ???????????? for the
>>letter V.
>Well you couldn't but it kept you cool.
Still hoping for an Old Signaller to confirm MY Version though, Hi.
73 es Tnx ur interest!
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Steve G Bryan
Charles Kenneth Haswell
In message <4YBZnFAz...@scarb.demon.co.uk>
Dez Wood <d...@scarb.demon.co.uk> writes:
> >>Hope that this is clear, if not let me know.
> >Not quite right Dez but I wouldn't doubt others might have adopted an
> >alternative to the TRUE meaning and source of IDDY-UMPTY.
> Dez Wood
Hi all, I learned the code when I was about 12 (mid 1930's) when heavy
brass "straight" keys were the order of the day.
It was explained to me then, that the "iddy" was produced when sending
a dot and the "umpty" when a dash was sent.
These were supposed to represent the sound caused by the front and rear
contacts of those heavy keys. Try it you _might_ like it <vbg>!
Cheers, Ken GM2CWL.
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Inverness, Scotland.