Master Sido-Dyas (GREAT GREAT SPOILERS)
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Ok, Enough.
I just saw a part of a combined making of AOTC in Greek TV (yeah, Greece:-),
which had some new scenes and dialogue, which I guess are from either the:
1.Original making ofs, 2. the official trailers 3. the Across The Stars
Video 4. Entirely new material. What came to my attention was that they
showed a particular scene (the whole scene) where Obi-wan informs
the two masters, Mace Windu and Yoda about his findings on Kamino.
I am putting here the dialogue from the AOTC script that circulates around
the Internet: the scene is like it is decribed in what I saw, EXCEPT for the
dialogue, so I can say that the script is partially legit cause the scene
does exist after all:
EXT. JEDI TEMPLE, LIVING QUARTERS - EARLY EVENING
YODA and MACE WINDU listen as a hologram of OBI-WAN stands between them
broadcasting the message. The signal is very weak, the image fades in and
out.
OBI-WAN (V.O.)
...I've never heard of a Jedi
called Sido-Dyas, have you, Master?
MACE WINDU
No. Whoever placed that order was
not a Jedi, I can assure you.
OBI-WAN (V.O.)
I have a strong feeling that this
bounty hunter is the assassin
we're looking for.
YODA
Who he is working for... discover
that, you must.
OBI-WAN (V.O.)
I will, Master, and I will also
find out more about this clone
army... May The Force...
The hologram switches off, and OBI-WAN fades away.
WINDU
A clone army! Ordered by someone
in the Senate perhaps... Someone's
out to start a war.
YODA
Inform the chancellor of this, we
must.
WINDU
Who do you think this impostor
Sido-Dyas, could be?
YODA stares back at MACE WINDU, then slowly shakes his head.
NOW the DIFFERENT dialogue I heard goes something like this:
EXT. JEDI TEMPLE, LIVING QUARTERS - EARLY EVENING
(The room ressembles Amidala's quarters, it is dark).
YODA and MACE WINDU listen as a hologram of OBI-WAN stands between them
broadcasting the message. The signal is (not) weak, the image fades in and
out.
OBI-WAN (V.O.)
...Master Sidyo-Das (could have been Sido-Dyas too but I strongly
remember the first one)
placed that order 10 years ago.
YODA and MACE WINDU look at each other like showing that they know
something that OBI-WAN
does not.
OBI-WAN (V.O.)
I was under the impression that he died before/prior to that.
YODA
Don't pressume anything. Just find Him.
OBI-WAN (V.O.)
Yes, Master, and I will
contact you when I have found out more about him...
The hologram switches off, and OBI-WAN fades away.
WINDU
A clone army! We have lost the ability to
control the Force to see the future.
We must inform the council.
YODA
No, only the Dark Lord of the Sith knows of this weakness.
If we inform the council multiplied our enemies will be.
MACE WINDU stares back at YODA, then slowly shakes his head.
Well, that's pretty much it. This scene shows these spoilers:
Master Sido-Dyas is a real person after all and a former Jedi Master.
All three men (Yoda, Windu, Obi-wan) know him.
Mace Windu and Yoda seem to be pretty convinced that Darth Maul was the
Apprentice.
2 questions:
1.Can this Master be one of the lost 20 Jedi Masters (like Dooku) and faked
his death?
2. Does this indicate Sidious's origins as a Jedi?
Tomorrow the show will be repeated, so I'll tape it and post the exact
dialogue here, unless this has been already discussed.
Cheers,
Iakovos:)
badaztek
Tyranus (one rumor I heard years ago was that Lee was up for the role of
Vader in the original films but was decided he was not physically fit
for the role )
Zuckus26
>From: "iakovos" indi...@ath.forthnet.gr
>Date: 5/9/02 6:15 PM Central Daylight Time
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>"badaztek" <bada...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>> actually he is played by Christopher Lee and is known now as Darth
>> Tyranus
>
>Sido-Dyas.
>
>Iakovos:)
>
Could Sido-Dyas be Sidious?
Bill Kohlleppel
The EU has had stories of some Jedi- Outbound Flight Project where some 20 - 50
Jedi were sent out as part of a Space Exploration program. I wonder if Lucas is
using this in hist official storyline.
Rebel Alliance Lt. Commander Aramys Strael
Oliver J. Hanau
> Could Sido-Dyas be Sidious?
He is now spelled "Sifo-Dyas," according to "The Art of AOTC."
Oliver.
iakovos
"Zuckus26" <zuck...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Could Sido-Dyas be Sidious?
Well, that's what i am wondering. The main reason being:
IF Sidious is indeed Sido-Dyas wouldn't the jedi recognize him in the face
of Palpatine?
Does this mean that Palpatine and Sidious are not the same person after all?
IF Sido-Dyas is not Sidious then who is he? A New Sith?
He cannot be Darth Maul cause Maul was killed prior to that.
Did Sido-Dyas made a face change?
Iakovos:)
iakovos
"Bill Kohlleppel" <kohll...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> iakovos wrote:
> The EU has had stories of some Jedi- Outbound Flight Project where some
20 - 50
> Jedi were sent out as part of a Space Exploration program. I wonder if
Lucas is
> using this in hist official storyline.
As far as I know there is no mentioning of a Master Sido-Dyas anywhere
except for the AOTC film.
The knowledge that everybody knows him (Windu, Obi, Yoda) makes me wonder.
Is he the NEW apprentice of Darth Sidious and Dooku is just an Ally?
Iakovos:)
GCostanza
the last scenes of the film.
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iakovos
"GCostanza" <gcos...@p0rn0finish.org> wrote in message
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> NO. Dooku is Darth Tyrranus, the new sith apprentice. This is from one
of
> the last scenes of the film.
Yes, I have heard, but where does Sido-Dyas goes into this?
Iakovos:)
Mario Di Giacomo
The knowledge that everybody knows him (Windu, Obi, Yoda) makes me
wonder.
> Is he the NEW apprentice of Darth Sidious and Dooku is just an Ally?
>
> Iakovos:)
It was my impression that Sido-Dyaus is merely the Kamino
mispronuciation of Sidious, who masqueraded as a Jedi Master when he
made the order.
Bill Kohlleppel
Say Sido-Dyas really fast. It is pretty clear to me that <making an
observation here, not trying to spoil anything here> Sido-Dyas and Sidious
are the same guy. He is just masking his true self to throw the trail off.
Rebel Alliance Lt. Commander Aramus Strael
iakovos
"Mario Di Giacomo" <mdg_o...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It was my impression that Sido-Dyaus is merely the Kamino
> mispronuciation of Sidious, who masqueraded as a Jedi Master when he
> made the order.
Well, I taped it and played it a few times.
I am pretty sure now that the name spelt is Sifo-Dyas, as Oliver J. Hanau
informed us.
He cannot be Sidious cause the three Jedi know him.
Wouldn't it be obvious to recognize him in the face of Palpatine?
Iakovos:)
iakovos
They cannot be the same person. In a few minutes I'll post the new
transcript.
You'll see why.
Iakovos:)
Bill Kohlleppel
Not if they knew of him by reputation rather than having physically knowing
him. Ever watch the Three Musketeers? When D`artangan tells Pothos, Athos
and Aramis his name the three of them look at each other as if the name
meant something to them. D`artangan was named after his father, who was a
Musketeer who had died in the line of duty. Athos later explains to
D`artangan that although he personally never knew his father, his death was
mourned by all Musketeers. He was a great Musketeer that was well known by
reputation, as well as respected and admired by all of the King's
Musketeers. So it is possible that Sido-Dyas was someone who had gained a
lot of notoriety through great deeds and accomplished great actions.
iakovos
> iakovos wrote:
> Not if they knew of him by reputation rather than having physically
knowing
> him.
Good point. But...
>Ever watch the Three Musketeers?
Yes.
>When D`artangan tells Pothos, Athos
> and Aramis his name the three of them look at each other as if the name
> meant something to them. D`artangan was named after his father, who was a
> Musketeer who had died in the line of duty. Athos later explains to
> D`artangan that although he personally never knew his father, his death
was
> mourned by all Musketeers. He was a great Musketeer that was well known by
> reputation, as well as respected and admired by all of the King's
> Musketeers.
... the main difference being that D'artangan's father is not a master
Musketeer but a simple Musketeer like the 3 main characters.
In the Star Wars Universe the Jedi Council is the one tool which appoints
Jedi Knights to the rank of Jedi Master.
Yoda and Windu must have known Sido-Dyas personally in order to appoint him
the rank of Master.
Now if Sido-Dyas was appointed as a Master prior to the Jedi Council being
occupied by Windu and Yoda, that's another case entirely. The main thing
here is that the Jedi Council knows WHO they appoint as a Jedi Master.
Reputation is a matter that comes afterwards. True knowledge is the key
here.
Iakovos:)
Philip Heppenstall
As i've said before, in ANH when Vader senses Obi-wan one of the
Imperials dismisses this and says 'You are all that remains of that
religion'. If the Emperor was originally a Jedi then it would be a
contradiction.
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iakovos
"Philip Heppenstall" <SpamFr...@SpamSpamEggAndSpam.co.uk> wrote in
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> Of all the gin joints in all the world, iakovos walks into mine
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> > "Bill Kohlleppel" <kohll...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> >> iakovos wrote:
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> >> > "Bill Kohlleppel" <kohll...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> As i've said before, in ANH when Vader senses Obi-wan one of the
> Imperials dismisses this and says 'You are all that remains of that
> religion'. If the Emperor was originally a Jedi then it would be a
> contradiction.
Yes, good point, but this is taken by the view that the Imperial is
referring to the Jedi religion.
Couldn't he be referring to the Sith religion?
Yes, I know that you'll tell me, the Jedi are extinct, who remains? Vader...
but Vader is no longer a Jedi.
Iakovos:)
Philip Heppenstall
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> "Philip Heppenstall" <SpamFr...@SpamSpamEggAndSpam.co.uk> wrote in
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>> Of all the gin joints in all the world, iakovos walks into mine
>>
>> As i've said before, in ANH when Vader senses Obi-wan one of the
>> Imperials dismisses this and says 'You are all that remains of that
>> religion'. If the Emperor was originally a Jedi then it would be a
>> contradiction.
>
> Yes, good point, but this is taken by the view that the Imperial is
> referring to the Jedi religion.
> Couldn't he be referring to the Sith religion?
> Yes, I know that you'll tell me, the Jedi are extinct, who remains?
> Vader... but Vader is no longer a Jedi.
>
> Iakovos:)
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No, the Emperor is a Sith!!! He's definitely referring to the Jedi
religion, and the fact that they believe that Vader is all that remains
of them, albeit no longer a Jedi.
I'd be pretty surprised if the Imperials weren't aware that the Emperor
is a Sith!!!!
'Jeeez, i always thought there was something weird about that guy. A Sith
you say? That would explain the lightening that comes out of his hands
when he's a bit angry,then. Oh and i thought he looked a bit odd, Emperor
of the known galaxy and everything, and always wearing a scruffy
cloak....'
iakovos
> > Couldn't he be referring to the Sith religion?
> No, the Emperor is a Sith!!! He's definitely referring to the Jedi
> religion, and the fact that they believe that Vader is all that remains
> of them, albeit no longer a Jedi.
Why the Empire isn't called then the Sith Empire?
> I'd be pretty surprised if the Imperials weren't aware that the Emperor
> is a Sith!!!!
Palpatine could still be hiding it ;)
> 'Jeeez, i always thought there was something weird about that guy.
There would be no reason for Palpatine to use force lightning against anyone
not Force sensitive.
>A Sith you say? That would explain the lightening that comes out of his
hands
> when he's a bit angry,then. Oh and i thought he looked a bit odd, Emperor
> of the known galaxy and everything, and always wearing a scruffy
> cloak....'
And Palpatine does not go by the name Emperor Palpatine, of the Sith...
I am not saying that the Imperial is not referring to the Jedi religion, I
am saying that the Imperial knows that the Sith are also remnants of old
religions.
Iakovos:)
iakovos
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> On Sun, 12 May 2002 15:44:12 +0300, "iakovos"
> <indi...@ath.forthnet.gr> wrote:
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> >"Philip Heppenstall" <SpamFr...@SpamSpamEggAndSpam.co.uk> wrote in
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> >> > Couldn't he be referring to the Sith religion?
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> >> No, the Emperor is a Sith!!! He's definitely referring to the Jedi
> >> religion, and the fact that they believe that Vader is all that remains
> >> of them, albeit no longer a Jedi.
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> >Why the Empire isn't called then the Sith Empire?
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Yes. And one of them RULES it.
Iakovos:)
Philip Heppenstall
>> >> No, the Emperor is a Sith!!! He's definitely referring to the Jedi
>> >> religion, and the fact that they believe that Vader is all that
>> >> remains of them, albeit no longer a Jedi.
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>> >Why the Empire isn't called then the Sith Empire?
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>> Because there are only two Sith?
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> Yes. And one of them RULES it.
>
> Iakovos:)
>
I don't really understand the point you're making.
The Empire is just the Empire. They rule the known galaxy. There isn't
any other Empire mentioned in Canon so why would they need to be known as
the Sith Empire.
It is pretty well known that the Emperor is a Sith anyway, so the
argument isn't necessary.
Daniel O. Miller
> On Sun, 12 May 2002 15:44:12 +0300, "iakovos"
> <indi...@ath.forthnet.gr> wrote:
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> >"Philip Heppenstall" <SpamFr...@SpamSpamEggAndSpam.co.uk> wrote in
> >message news:abldma$q6h$3...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >> > Couldn't he be referring to the Sith religion?
> >
> >> No, the Emperor is a Sith!!! He's definitely referring to the Jedi
> >> religion, and the fact that they believe that Vader is all that remains
> >> of them, albeit no longer a Jedi.
> >
> >Why the Empire isn't called then the Sith Empire?
> >
>
> Because there are only two Sith?
Because the focus groups liked "Sithpire" but Palpy Force-zapped them for
beig idiots?
Daniel O. Miller
"Does this look familiar? Do you know what it is? Neither do I! I made
it last night in my sleep. Apparently I used gindrogac - highly unstable!
I put a button on it, yes? I wish to press it, but I'm not sure what will
happen if I do..." - Gune
WWYD?
iakovos
> Of all the gin joints in all the world, iakovos walks into mine
> I don't really understand the point you're making.
> The Empire is just the Empire. They rule the known galaxy. There isn't
> any other Empire mentioned in Canon so why would they need to be known as
> the Sith Empire.
> It is pretty well known that the Emperor is a Sith anyway, so the
> argument isn't necessary.
Very well, I'll drop it.
That's does not mean you are a Jedi yet...
*diabolical laughter*
Iakovos:)
Bill Kohlleppel
Ahh but all Musketeers are equals, like the Knights of the Roundtable. But I do
see your point.
Bill Kohlleppel
Not necessarily. That was the point of view of Tarkin when he made that
statement. So to him what he said of Vaderwas correct. Besides, it may be
common knowledge that Palpatine is a Sith, but it may not be common
knowledge that he may have been in the Jedi ranks before making himself
known as a Sith.
Bill Kohlleppel
> Of all the gin joints in all the world, iakovos walks into mine
>
> >> >> No, the Emperor is a Sith!!! He's definitely referring to the Jedi
> >> >> religion, and the fact that they believe that Vader is all that
> >> >> remains of them, albeit no longer a Jedi.
> >> >
> >> >Why the Empire isn't called then the Sith Empire?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Because there are only two Sith?
> >
> > Yes. And one of them RULES it.
> >
> > Iakovos:)
> >
> I don't really understand the point you're making.
> The Empire is just the Empire. They rule the known galaxy. There isn't
> any other Empire mentioned in Canon so why would they need to be known as
> the Sith Empire.
> It is pretty well known that the Emperor is a Sith anyway, so the
> argument isn't necessary.
>
Yes, but it may not be readily apparent to those in the Imperial hierarchy
that he is a Sith. That is the point. Tarkin knows that Vader was once a
Jedi, but he may not know of Palpatine being either a Sith or a Sith who was
once amongst the ranks of the Jedi.
iakovos
> Philip Heppenstall wrote:
> > It is pretty well known that the Emperor is a Sith anyway, so the
> > argument isn't necessary.
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> Yes, but it may not be readily apparent to those in the Imperial hierarchy
> that he is a Sith. That is the point. Tarkin knows that Vader was once a
> Jedi, but he may not know of Palpatine being either a Sith or a Sith who
was
> once amongst the ranks of the Jedi.
Another point is: after Palpatine creates the Empire he does not
reconstitute the old Sith Order.
Creating Sith warriors once more now that he is in control. I am sure that
he has them stuck up somewhere ;)
Imagine if Luke and the Rebel Alliance was to face and the enemy Sith
warriors instead of just bad ass Vader...
Iakovos:)
iakovos
> Philip Heppenstall wrote:
> Not necessarily. That was the point of view of Tarkin when he made that
> statement. So to him what he said of Vaderwas correct. Besides, it may be
> common knowledge that Palpatine is a Sith, but it may not be common
> knowledge that he may have been in the Jedi ranks before making himself
> known as a Sith.
Same goes for Darth Tyrannus... just an example.
Iakovos:)
The FilmJerk
Is this enough spoiler space?
How about now?
Okay.
It's written as Sido-Dyas because that is how the Kaminos speak. I
don't know if I would call it a lisp, but they have a certain way of
speaking. Anyway, Jedi Master Sido-Dyas is never revealed in AOTC, but
if you look at how the Clone Army appear, how much they resemble a
certain army in Episodes four through six and who is in charge of that
army in Episodes four through six, the true identity of Jedi Master
Sido-Dyas should be abundantly clear.
Philip Heppenstall
> Another point is: after Palpatine creates the Empire he does not
> reconstitute the old Sith Order.
> Creating Sith warriors once more now that he is in control. I am sure
> that he has them stuck up somewhere ;)
> Imagine if Luke and the Rebel Alliance was to face and the enemy Sith
> warriors instead of just bad ass Vader...
>
> Iakovos:)
>
"Always two there is" prevents him from adding to his and Vader's number,
if interpreted as meaning only two at any one time.
Philip Heppenstall
>
Possible, i suppose. Anyway by Episode III we'll know for sure, i'd
imagine.
iakovos
> Of all the gin joints in all the world, iakovos walks into mine
> if interpreted as meaning only two at any one time.
Well, there are no Jedi to fight with around his time.
Rules should not apply now.
Palpatine should have thought about who to succeed him after his own death.
Iakovos:)
iakovos
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> if you look at how the Clone Army appear, how much they resemble a
> certain army in Episodes four through six and who is in charge of that
> army in Episodes four through six, the true identity of Jedi Master
> Sido-Dyas should be abundantly clear.
The whole point (and problem) is that Sido-Dyas DOES exist as a former Jedi
Master.
Speculation is speculation.
Iakovos:)
jill marie
GCostanza <gcos...@p0rn0finish.org> wrote:
> NO. Dooku is
<Spoilers snipped>
Hello?! Some of us have not seen the movie yet and would like to see
the movie without having the ending spoiled for us.
Just put some spoiler space in your post......like this....
SPOILERS AHEAD
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Last chance!
> Darth Tyrranus, the new sith apprentice. This is from one of
> the last scenes of the film.
Wasn't that easy?!
And no crossposting, either send it to AFS or RASSM, but not both at
the same time. Thanks.
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Kothos
I presume that everyone here is posting under the assumption that Sido-Dyas
is Darth Sidious?
It seems to me that given the above, the sequence of events goes like this:
Either Darth Sidious exists from the beginning or not. Either way Sido-Dyas
becomes a member of the Jedi Council. If he is Darth Sidious then this is
done fraudulently and if not then at some stage in the future he must fall
to the dark side and becomes Darth Sidious.
He fakes his death and leaves the coucil, reappearing as Senator Palpatine,
eventually becoming Emperor Palpatine. If Windu and Yoda know of him then
perhaps they realised he was a Sith while sitting on the Jedi Council and
somehow or other had him expelled (which would be whenabouts he faked his
death).
The only flaw in the above is that the Sith are supposed to have been dead
for thousands of years. Unless... he wasn't, or they didn't know he was, a
Sith when sitting on the Jedi Council - they just thought he had slipped to
the Dark Side and had him expelled for that.
That means by the end of Ep. II, Windu and Yoda know that the Jedi Master
they knew as Sido-Dyas is the Sith Master that they are up against, although
they still don't know that it's Chancellor Palpatine.
Does that make any sense?
Kothos
Rainbow Heron
<kot...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote:
<snippage>
>I presume that everyone here is posting under the assumption that Sido-Dyas
>is Darth Sidious?
*I* am.
>It seems to me that given the above, the sequence of events goes like this:
>
>Either Darth Sidious exists from the beginning or not. Either way Sido-Dyas
>becomes a member of the Jedi Council. If he is Darth Sidious then this is
>done fraudulently and if not then at some stage in the future he must fall
>to the dark side and becomes Darth Sidious.
>
>He fakes his death and leaves the coucil, reappearing as Senator Palpatine
2 problems:
1. if Palpatine = Sidious and Sidious = Sifo-Dyas former Jedi then
wouldn't Windu and Yoda recognized Palpatine?
2. Palpatine started out in local Naboo politics when he was young (as
is Naboo tradition) and worked his way up. There was absolutely no
time and no way for him to be on the Jedi Council.
>If Windu and Yoda know of him then perhaps they realised he was a Sith while
>sitting on the Jedi Council and somehow or other had him expelled (which would
>be whenabouts he faked his death).
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>The only flaw in the above is that the Sith are supposed to have been dead
>for thousands of years.
The Jedi Council didn't give the Sith any second thoughts until
Qui-Gon brought it up.
Maybe the guy was outrageously unorthodox, but they wouldn't have
guessed or known Sith.
>Unless... he wasn't, or they didn't know he was, a Sith when sitting on the
>Jedi Council - they just thought he had slipped to the Dark Side and had him
>expelled for that.
Do we even know what "Sifo-Dyas" if he was on the Council may have
been expelled for?
If he had slipped to the Dark Side, then I'm sure the Council would
have made an extraordinary effort to bring him back, and hearing his
name later would stir up more powerful emotions than "Let's question
him" and "clouded..."
>That means by the end of Ep. II, Windu and Yoda know that the Jedi Master
>they knew as Sido-Dyas is the Sith Master that they are up against, although
>they still don't know that it's Chancellor Palpatine.
>
>Does that make any sense?
Seems to me that the Council is more confused than they were earlier.
But most of your theory does seems sound (even if I don't agree with
most of it). Ep3 should tell us whether or not we're correct.
We may on the wrong track with this whole thing...and believe you me
I'd LOVE it if we were! :-D
-Rainbow Heron
(sig told RH not to do speculation but she forgot that she agreed)
PS- you don't need to post this whole thing twice in the same thread
in different responses. ;-)
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...except they don't make that fart noise.
Kothos
"Rainbow Heron" <rainbo...@ftc-i.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 16 May 2002 20:39:16 +1000, "Kothos"
> <kot...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote:
>
> <snippage>
>
> >I presume that everyone here is posting under the assumption that
> >is Darth Sidious?
>
> *I* am.
>
> >It seems to me that given the above, the sequence of events goes like
this:
> >
> >Either Darth Sidious exists from the beginning or not. Either way
> >becomes a member of the Jedi Council. If he is Darth Sidious then this
is
> >done fraudulently and if not then at some stage in the future he must
fall
> >to the dark side and becomes Darth Sidious.
> >
> >He fakes his death and leaves the coucil, reappearing as Senator
Palpatine
>
> 2 problems:
>
> 1. if Palpatine = Sidious and Sidious = Sifo-Dyas former Jedi then
> wouldn't Windu and Yoda recognized Palpatine?
Yeah I noticed that. I was thinking maybe he had reconstructive surgery as
part of his faked death(?).
> 2. Palpatine started out in local Naboo politics when he was young (as
> is Naboo tradition) and worked his way up. There was absolutely no
> time and no way for him to be on the Jedi Council.
Okay, that stuffs up the theory fairly badly. I can think of no way that
the same person could be both a disguised Sith on the Jedi Council,
Sifo-Dyas _and_ the Palpatine politician dude.
> >If Windu and Yoda know of him then perhaps they realised he was a Sith
while
> >sitting on the Jedi Council and somehow or other had him expelled (which
would
> >be whenabouts he faked his death).
> >
> >The only flaw in the above is that the Sith are supposed to have been
dead
> >for thousands of years.
>
> The Jedi Council didn't give the Sith any second thoughts until
> Qui-Gon brought it up.
Yeah that's right.
> Maybe the guy was outrageously unorthodox, but they wouldn't have
> guessed or known Sith.
>
> >Unless... he wasn't, or they didn't know he was, a Sith when sitting on
the
> >Jedi Council - they just thought he had slipped to the Dark Side and had
him
> >expelled for that.
>
> Do we even know what "Sifo-Dyas" if he was on the Council may have
> been expelled for?
No, I'm just taking stabs in the dark. Obi-Wan seems to think that Master
Sifo-Dyas just died. Whereas Windu's and Yoda's reactions seem to imply
there was more to it than that. Perhaps his disappearance was covered up
and 'sanitised' as they didn't want anyone knowing of any high-level
corruption?
> If he had slipped to the Dark Side, then I'm sure the Council would
> have made an extraordinary effort to bring him back, and hearing his
> name later would stir up more powerful emotions than "Let's question
> him" and "clouded..."
That's true too. It would be interesting to know what happens in Ep. III
(well, you know what I mean :-)
> >That means by the end of Ep. II, Windu and Yoda know that the Jedi Master
> >they knew as Sido-Dyas is the Sith Master that they are up against,
although
> >they still don't know that it's Chancellor Palpatine.
> >
> >Does that make any sense?
>
> Seems to me that the Council is more confused than they were earlier.
> But most of your theory does seems sound (even if I don't agree with
> most of it). Ep3 should tell us whether or not we're correct.
Yep, can't wait.
> We may on the wrong track with this whole thing...and believe you me
> I'd LOVE it if we were! :-D
Same (-:
> -Rainbow Heron
> (sig told RH not to do speculation but she forgot that she agreed)
>
> PS- you don't need to post this whole thing twice in the same thread
> in different responses. ;-)
Yeah, sorry about that. I was finding it difficult keeping track and stuff
(been a long time since I used a newsgroup). Sorry also for the consistent
"Sido-Dyas" typo...
Kothos
Rainbow Heron
<kot...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote:
>
>"Rainbow Heron" <rainbo...@ftc-i.net> wrote in message
>news:fvg7eucsi7u1kptuh...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 16 May 2002 20:39:16 +1000, "Kothos"
>> <kot...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> <snippage>
>>
>> >I presume that everyone here is posting under the assumption that
>> >Sifo-Dyas is Darth Sidious?
>>
>> *I* am.
>>
>> >It seems to me that given the above, the sequence of events goes like
>> >this:
>> >
>> >Either Darth Sidious exists from the beginning or not. Either way
>> >Sifo-Dyas becomes a member of the Jedi Council. If he is Darth Sidious then this
>> >is done fraudulently and if not then at some stage in the future he must
>> >fall to the dark side and becomes Darth Sidious.
>> >
>> >He fakes his death and leaves the coucil, reappearing as Senator
>> >Palpatine
>>
>> 2 problems:
>>
>> 1. if Palpatine = Sidious and Sidious = Sifo-Dyas former Jedi then
>> wouldn't Windu and Yoda recognized Palpatine?
>
>Yeah I noticed that. I was thinking maybe he had reconstructive surgery as
>part of his faked death(?).
Outside arm replacements, that'd be a first for GFFA! :-)
>> 2. Palpatine started out in local Naboo politics when he was young (as
>> is Naboo tradition) and worked his way up. There was absolutely no
>> time and no way for him to be on the Jedi Council.
>
>Okay, that stuffs up the theory fairly badly. I can think of no way that
>the same person could be both a disguised Sith on the Jedi Council,
>Sifo-Dyas _and_ the Palpatine politician dude.
Me neither.
>> Maybe the guy was outrageously unorthodox, but they wouldn't have
>> guessed or known Sith.
>>
>> >Unless... he wasn't, or they didn't know he was, a Sith when sitting on
>> >the Jedi Council - they just thought he had slipped to the Dark Side and had
>> >him expelled for that.
>>
>> Do we even know what "Sifo-Dyas" if he was on the Council may have
>> been expelled for?
>
>No, I'm just taking stabs in the dark.
Alrighty.
>Obi-Wan seems to think that Master Sifo-Dyas just died. Whereas Windu's
>and Yoda's reactions seem to imply there was more to it than that. Perhaps his
>disappearance was covered up and 'sanitised' as they didn't want anyone
>knowing of any high-level corruption?
I wouldn't say "cover up" cuz the Jedi don't seem the type to sweep
things under the rug and pretend they never happened...or at worst lie
about it. I think they just flat out never talked about it. Y'know,
the silent treatment.
>> If he had slipped to the Dark Side, then I'm sure the Council would
>> have made an extraordinary effort to bring him back, and hearing his
>> name later would stir up more powerful emotions than "Let's question
>> him" and "clouded..."
>
>That's true too. It would be interesting to know what happens in Ep. III
>(well, you know what I mean :-)
Heh heh yeah!
>> >That means by the end of Ep. II, Windu and Yoda know that the Jedi Master
>> >they knew as Sido-Dyas is the Sith Master that they are up against,
>> >although they still don't know that it's Chancellor Palpatine.
>> >
>> >Does that make any sense?
>>
>> Seems to me that the Council is more confused than they were earlier.
>> But most of your theory does seems sound (even if I don't agree with
>> most of it). Ep3 should tell us whether or not we're correct.
>
>Yep, can't wait.
I'm still waiting for Ep2! <shouts downstairs>Y'all hear me down
there?!
>> We may on the wrong track with this whole thing...and believe you me
>> I'd LOVE it if we were! :-D
>
>Same (-:
:-)
>> -Rainbow Heron
>> (sig told RH not to do speculation but she forgot that she agreed)
>>
>> PS- you don't need to post this whole thing twice in the same thread
>> in different responses. ;-)
>
>Yeah, sorry about that. I was finding it difficult keeping track and stuff
>(been a long time since I used a newsgroup).
That's ok. I always keep my outbox open so I can keep track of stuff.
>Sorry also for the consistent "Sido-Dyas" typo...
Y'know I really didn't notice. But I could have ng sig whack you over
the head with the typo stick if that would make you feel better.
-Rainbow Heron
(sig has a special Ep2 typo stick that looks like a lightsaber)
Wear a helmet.
==========================================
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==========================================
I'm gonna kick their asses! And then I'm gonna kick their butts!
And when I'm done kicking their donkeys and cigarettes,
I'm gonna kick THEM!
iakovos
"Kothos" <kot...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote in message
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> I presume that everyone here is posting under the assumption that
Sido-Dyas
> is Darth Sidious?
I still have doubts about this one.
>
> It seems to me that given the above, the sequence of events goes like
this:
>
> Either Darth Sidious exists from the beginning or not. Either way
Sido-Dyas
> becomes a member of the Jedi Council. If he is Darth Sidious then this is
> done fraudulently and if not then at some stage in the future he must fall
> to the dark side and becomes Darth Sidious.
>
> He fakes his death and leaves the coucil, reappearing as Senator
Palpatine,
> eventually becoming Emperor Palpatine. If Windu and Yoda know of him then
> perhaps they realised he was a Sith while sitting on the Jedi Council and
> somehow or other had him expelled (which would be whenabouts he faked his
> death).
Yes, but the whole idea is the reason of WHY they do not recognize him
afterwards.
> The only flaw in the above is that the Sith are supposed to have been dead
> for thousands of years.
Not the only flaw.
>Unless... he wasn't, or they didn't know he was, a
> Sith when sitting on the Jedi Council - they just thought he had slipped
to
> the Dark Side and had him expelled for that.
We still don't know the reasons of Sifo-Dyas death. And maybe he was not
expelled.
> That means by the end of Ep. II, Windu and Yoda know that the Jedi Master
> they knew as Sido-Dyas is the Sith Master that they are up against,
although
> they still don't know that it's Chancellor Palpatine.
Sounds too much like Superman and Clark to me.
Iakovos:)
Kothos
"iakovos" <indi...@ath.forthnet.gr> wrote in message
news:10215811...@athprx02.forthnet.gr...
Well I proposed reconstructive surgery for the flaw concerning why he is not
recognised.
> >Unless... he wasn't, or they didn't know he was, a
> > Sith when sitting on the Jedi Council - they just thought he had slipped
> to
> > the Dark Side and had him expelled for that.
>
> We still don't know the reasons of Sifo-Dyas death. And maybe he was not
> expelled.
No, you're right, I'm just guessing to see what might fit and what might
not.
> > That means by the end of Ep. II, Windu and Yoda know that the Jedi
Master
> > they knew as Sido-Dyas is the Sith Master that they are up against,
> although
> > they still don't know that it's Chancellor Palpatine.
>
> Sounds too much like Superman and Clark to me.
Well, Palpatine is already doing a "Bizarro and Clark" routine right? (-:
> Iakovos:)
Kothos
Kothos
Medical technology hasn't been overly explored in the movies hey? I suppose
that's not their focus in any case (-:
I think so too. The Jedi wouldn't stoop to things that normal Earth
governments do all the time methinks.
Dunno, is it part of the RASSM initiation? ;-)
> -Rainbow Heron
> (sig has a special Ep2 typo stick that looks like a lightsaber)
>
> Wear a helmet.
Excellent motto! Either my life or my brains have been saved by helmets on
no less than three occassions.
> ==========================================
> http://web.infoave.net/~rkanderson/rassm/swc.htm
> Rainbow Heron's Sith War Characters Page
> ==========================================
> I'm gonna kick their asses! And then I'm gonna kick their butts!
> And when I'm done kicking their donkeys and cigarettes,
> I'm gonna kick THEM!
LOL! (-:
Kothos
iakovos
Yes. I could see where your point was heading, however there is a huge gap
of no available info on the Sith activities.
> > We still don't know the reasons of Sifo-Dyas death. And maybe he was not
> > expelled.
>
> No, you're right, I'm just guessing to see what might fit and what might
> not.
Details which we do not have.
>
> > > That means by the end of Ep. II, Windu and Yoda know that the Jedi
> Master
> > > they knew as Sido-Dyas is the Sith Master that they are up against,
> > although
> > > they still don't know that it's Chancellor Palpatine.
> >
> > Sounds too much like Superman and Clark to me.
>
> Well, Palpatine is already doing a "Bizarro and Clark" routine right? (-:
Of course. And Padme is Lois?
Iakovos:)
Kothos
>
> "Kothos" <kot...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote in message
> news:3ce4cbc9$0$4693$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >
> > "iakovos" <indi...@ath.forthnet.gr> wrote in message
> > news:10215811...@athprx02.forthnet.gr...
> > >
> > > "Kothos" <kot...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote in message
> > > news:3ce38d25$0$2522$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
[Snipped complicated stuff (my brain is hurting) ]
> > > > That means by the end of Ep. II, Windu and Yoda know that the Jedi
> > Master
> > > > they knew as Sifo-Dyas is the Sith Master that they are up against,
> > > although
> > > > they still don't know that it's Chancellor Palpatine.
> > >
> > > Sounds too much like Superman and Clark to me.
> >
> > Well, Palpatine is already doing a "Bizarro and Clark" routine right?
(-:
>
> Of course. And Padme is Lois?
Except that she marries the wrong guy. But yeah, she's a closer match than
Beru!
Kothos
iakovos
And of course C3PO and R2 are Superman's parents.
Iakovos:)
Kothos
Oddly enough, I'm reminded of the scene where Superman laments his
powerlessness at being able to save the life of his dad.
So who's Jimmy Olsen? Jar Jar?
Kothos
iakovos
> <kot...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote:
>
> <snippage>
>
> >I presume that everyone here is posting under the assumption that
Sido-Dyas
> >is Darth Sidious?
>
> *I* am.
Well, my assumption is that Sifo-Dyas is Sifo-Dyas, not Sidious :)
> >It seems to me that given the above, the sequence of events goes like
this:
> >
> >Either Darth Sidious exists from the beginning or not. Either way
Sido-Dyas
> >becomes a member of the Jedi Council. If he is Darth Sidious then this
is
> >done fraudulently and if not then at some stage in the future he must
fall
> >to the dark side and becomes Darth Sidious.
> >
> >He fakes his death and leaves the coucil, reappearing as Senator
Palpatine
>
> 2 problems:
>
> 1. if Palpatine = Sidious and Sidious = Sifo-Dyas former Jedi then
> wouldn't Windu and Yoda recognized Palpatine?
Yup. That's a tough one. Unless you invoke the Superman-Kent theory.
> 2. Palpatine started out in local Naboo politics when he was young (as
> is Naboo tradition) and worked his way up. There was absolutely no
> time and no way for him to be on the Jedi Council.
Or to be training a new apprentice. As we see Dooku was already trained, I
believe that Sidious seduced him somehow.
> >If Windu and Yoda know of him then perhaps they realised he was a Sith
while
> >sitting on the Jedi Council and somehow or other had him expelled (which
would
> >be whenabouts he faked his death).
> >
> >The only flaw in the above is that the Sith are supposed to have been
dead
> >for thousands of years.
>
> The Jedi Council didn't give the Sith any second thoughts until
> Qui-Gon brought it up.
Yup. The direct knowledge came from Qui-Gon.
> Maybe the guy was outrageously unorthodox, but they wouldn't have
> guessed or known Sith.
Still Qui-Gon does not say or suspect a Dark Jedi (if such thing exists).
> >Unless... he wasn't, or they didn't know he was, a Sith when sitting on
the
> >Jedi Council - they just thought he had slipped to the Dark Side and had
him
> >expelled for that.
>
> Do we even know what "Sifo-Dyas" if he was on the Council may have
> been expelled for?
We do not even know if he was on the council at all.
> Seems to me that the Council is more confused than they were earlier.
> But most of your theory does seems sound (even if I don't agree with
> most of it). Ep3 should tell us whether or not we're correct.
>
> We may on the wrong track with this whole thing...and believe you me
> I'd LOVE it if we were! :-D
I'd LOVE it if our track lead to the partial truth :D
Iakovos:)
iakovos
Yes. That's the only standart sensible earthly thing to do. The huge spoiler
would be that Palpy is a shapeshifter, that's why he looks so bizarre in
ESB.
> Okay, that stuffs up the theory fairly badly. I can think of no way that
> the same person could be both a disguised Sith on the Jedi Council,
> Sifo-Dyas _and_ the Palpatine politician dude.
Olus a teacher to someone in a far remote planet.
> No, I'm just taking stabs in the dark. Obi-Wan seems to think that Master
> Sifo-Dyas just died. Whereas Windu's and Yoda's reactions seem to imply
> there was more to it than that. Perhaps his disappearance was covered up
> and 'sanitised' as they didn't want anyone knowing of any high-level
> corruption?
But the whole question would be greater if they had sanctioned Dyas's
actions (him being a shadow Jedi).
> > If he had slipped to the Dark Side, then I'm sure the Council would
> > have made an extraordinary effort to bring him back, and hearing his
> > name later would stir up more powerful emotions than "Let's question
> > him" and "clouded..."
The problem is solved by Yoda and Mace (plus the council) knowing that Dyas
works for them.
If he had slipped in the Dark Side to study it, then the logical thing would
be to question him of his findings.
> Yeah, sorry about that. I was finding it difficult keeping track and
stuff
> (been a long time since I used a newsgroup). Sorry also for the
consistent
> "Sido-Dyas" typo...
Still there are people who believe that it is spelled Sido-Dyas. No reason
to apologize.
Iakovos:)
iakovos
The most recent example is Count Dooku.
Iakovos:)
iakovos
Well, Perry is of course Yoda. Run a newspaper, he must.
Iakovos:)
Oliver J. Hanau
> Sorry also for the consistent "Sido-Dyas" typo...
> Still there are people who believe that it is spelled Sido-Dyas.
> No reason to apologize.
Especially since nobody bothered to change the subject line yet. :-)
Oliver.
Silly One
an observation here, not trying to spoil anything here> Sido-Dyas and
Sidious
are the same guy. He is just masking his true self to throw the trail
off.>>>>>
I thought the same thing. Either that or Sido-Dyas was the Sith Lord
who came before Sidious, the one who Sidious apprenticed for. Then he
died and Sidious became the new master. But I really think that
Sido-Dyas is Darth Sidious. That would be part of why Sidious blocked
the Jedi from seeing the dark side because it would stop them from
recognizing him.
SillyOne
Bill Kohlleppel <kohll...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3CDC4EBB...@attbi.com>...
> iakovos wrote:
>
> > "Bill Kohlleppel" <kohll...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > news:3CDB7EAB...@attbi.com...
> > > iakovos wrote:
>
> > > The EU has had stories of some Jedi- Outbound Flight Project where some
> 20 - 50
> > > Jedi were sent out as part of a Space Exploration program. I wonder if
> Lucas is
> > > using this in hist official storyline.
> >
> > As far as I know there is no mentioning of a Master Sido-Dyas anywhere
> > except for the AOTC film.
> > The knowledge that everybody knows him (Windu, Obi, Yoda) makes me wonder.
> > Is he the NEW apprentice of Darth Sidious and Dooku is just an Ally?
> >
> > Iakovos:)
>
> Say Sido-Dyas really fast. It is pretty clear to me that <making an
> observation here, not trying to spoil anything here> Sido-Dyas and Sidious
> are the same guy. He is just masking his true self to throw the trail off.
>
> Rebel Alliance Lt. Commander Aramus Strael
Rainbow Heron
<kot...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote:
I don't know. I'm certain they've left out some stuff.
>I suppose that's not their focus in any case (-:
Not unless you're watching medical training videos!
You think the governments here on Earth are normal? ;-)
<snips>
>> >Sorry also for the consistent "Sido-Dyas" typo...
>>
>> Y'know I really didn't notice. But I could have ng sig whack you over
>> the head with the typo stick if that would make you feel better.
>
>Dunno, is it part of the RASSM initiation? ;-)
No- it's something ng sig does to me whenever I make a typo but it'll
whack someone else on occaision.
>> -Rainbow Heron
>> (sig has a special Ep2 typo stick that looks like a lightsaber)
>>
>> Wear a helmet.
>
>Excellent motto! Either my life or my brains have been saved by helmets on
>no less than three occassions.
Yep!!! So is keeping your dog on a leash or at least put a fence
around your yard. <sniffle>
>> ==========================================
>> http://web.infoave.net/~rkanderson/rassm/swc.htm
>> Rainbow Heron's Sith War Characters Page
>> ==========================================
>> I'm gonna kick their asses! And then I'm gonna kick their butts!
>> And when I'm done kicking their donkeys and cigarettes,
>> I'm gonna kick THEM!
>
>LOL! (-:
Meet Kicking sig!
-Rainbow Heron
(sig says not to worry cuz there are LOTS of sigs in this .sig
bunker!)
They want to take over my postings. ;-)
Rainbow Heron
<indi...@ath.forthnet.gr> wrote:
>
>"Rainbow Heron" <rainbo...@ftc-i.net> wrote in message
>news:fvg7eucsi7u1kptuh...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 16 May 2002 20:39:16 +1000, "Kothos"
>> <kot...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> <snippage>
>>
>> >I presume that everyone here is posting under the assumption that
>> >Sido-Dyas is Darth Sidious?
>>
>> *I* am.
>
>Well, my assumption is that Sifo-Dyas is Sifo-Dyas, not Sidious :)
Okieday then.
>> >It seems to me that given the above, the sequence of events goes like
>> >this:
>> >
>> >Either Darth Sidious exists from the beginning or not. Either way
>> >Sido-Dyas becomes a member of the Jedi Council. If he is Darth Sidious then this
>> >is done fraudulently and if not then at some stage in the future he must
>> >fall to the dark side and becomes Darth Sidious.
>> >
>> >He fakes his death and leaves the coucil, reappearing as Senator
>> >Palpatine
>>
>> 2 problems:
>>
>> 1. if Palpatine = Sidious and Sidious = Sifo-Dyas former Jedi then
>> wouldn't Windu and Yoda recognized Palpatine?
>
>Yup. That's a tough one. Unless you invoke the Superman-Kent theory.
I just got this very disturbing mental image of Palpatine in the
Superman speedo.
I SO did not need that!!!
>> 2. Palpatine started out in local Naboo politics when he was young (as
>> is Naboo tradition) and worked his way up. There was absolutely no
>> time and no way for him to be on the Jedi Council.
>
>Or to be training a new apprentice. As we see Dooku was already trained, I
>believe that Sidious seduced him somehow.
Dooku was already trained as a Jedi, yes.
<snip>
>> Maybe the guy was outrageously unorthodox, but they wouldn't have
>> guessed or known Sith.
>
>Still Qui-Gon does not say or suspect a Dark Jedi (if such thing exists).
Qui-Gon says and suspects Sith.
>> >Unless... he wasn't, or they didn't know he was, a Sith when sitting on
>> >the Jedi Council - they just thought he had slipped to the Dark Side and had
>> >him expelled for that.
>>
>> Do we even know what "Sifo-Dyas" if he was on the Council may have
>> been expelled for?
>
>We do not even know if he was on the council at all.
Which I don't think he was. I'll be reading the novel soon so I'll
find out...I hope.
>> Seems to me that the Council is more confused than they were earlier.
>> But most of your theory does seems sound (even if I don't agree with
>> most of it). Ep3 should tell us whether or not we're correct.
>>
>> We may on the wrong track with this whole thing...and believe you me
>> I'd LOVE it if we were! :-D
>
>I'd LOVE it if our track lead to the partial truth :D
As long as it leads SOMEwhere! :-D
-Rainbow Heron
(sig wants to know where it leads too)
I'd hate to have to have gone thru all of this for nothing.
Kothos
Not me! What I know about medicine you could generally fit into a thimble
without taking the rhinocerous out first!
Depends, to what are you comparing them? (-:
> <snips>
> >> >Sorry also for the consistent "Sido-Dyas" typo...
> >>
> >> Y'know I really didn't notice. But I could have ng sig whack you over
> >> the head with the typo stick if that would make you feel better.
> >
> >Dunno, is it part of the RASSM initiation? ;-)
>
> No- it's something ng sig does to me whenever I make a typo but it'll
> whack someone else on occaision.
>
> >> -Rainbow Heron
> >> (sig has a special Ep2 typo stick that looks like a lightsaber)
> >>
> >> Wear a helmet.
> >
> >Excellent motto! Either my life or my brains have been saved by helmets
on
> >no less than three occassions.
>
> Yep!!! So is keeping your dog on a leash or at least put a fence
> around your yard. <sniffle>
You lost a pooch recently?
> >> ==========================================
> >> http://web.infoave.net/~rkanderson/rassm/swc.htm
> >> Rainbow Heron's Sith War Characters Page
> >> ==========================================
> >> I'm gonna kick their asses! And then I'm gonna kick their butts!
> >> And when I'm done kicking their donkeys and cigarettes,
> >> I'm gonna kick THEM!
> >
> >LOL! (-:
>
> Meet Kicking sig!
Hello Kicking sig, pleased to make your acquaintance. (-:
Kothos
Rainbow Heron
<kot...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote:
<snip>
>> >> >> 1. if Palpatine = Sidious and Sidious = Sifo-Dyas former Jedi then
>> >> >> wouldn't Windu and Yoda recognized Palpatine?
>> >> >
>> >> >Yeah I noticed that. I was thinking maybe he had reconstructive
>> >> >surgery as part of his faked death(?).
>> >>
>> >> Outside arm replacements, that'd be a first for GFFA! :-)
>> >
>> >Medical technology hasn't been overly explored in the movies hey?
>>
>> I don't know. I'm certain they've left out some stuff.
>>
>> >I suppose that's not their focus in any case (-:
>>
>> Not unless you're watching medical training videos!
>
>Not me!
I'm an ER junkie. <looks around nervously> Why'd they have to kill
Lucy or Dr. Greene?! <wails>
>What I know about medicine you could generally fit into a thimble
>without taking the rhinocerous out first!
That'd be a neat trick in and of itself!!!
<snip>
>> >I think so too. The Jedi wouldn't stoop to things that normal Earth
>> >governments do all the time methinks.
>>
>> You think the governments here on Earth are normal? ;-)
>
>Depends, to what are you comparing them? (-:
Who needs a comparison? ;-)
>> <snips>
>> >> >Sorry also for the consistent "Sido-Dyas" typo...
>> >>
>> >> Y'know I really didn't notice. But I could have ng sig whack you over
>> >> the head with the typo stick if that would make you feel better.
>> >
>> >Dunno, is it part of the RASSM initiation? ;-)
>>
>> No- it's something ng sig does to me whenever I make a typo but it'll
>> whack someone else on occaision.
>>
>> >> -Rainbow Heron
>> >> (sig has a special Ep2 typo stick that looks like a lightsaber)
>> >>
>> >> Wear a helmet.
>> >
>> >Excellent motto! Either my life or my brains have been saved by helmets
>> >on no less than three occassions.
>>
>> Yep!!! So is keeping your dog on a leash or at least put a fence
>> around your yard. <sniffle>
>
>You lost a pooch recently?
This past November- she had a small presence here.
Still good advice.
>> >> ==========================================
>> >> http://web.infoave.net/~rkanderson/rassm/swc.htm
>> >> Rainbow Heron's Sith War Characters Page
>> >> ==========================================
>> >> I'm gonna kick their asses! And then I'm gonna kick their butts!
>> >> And when I'm done kicking their donkeys and cigarettes,
>> >> I'm gonna kick THEM!
>> >
>> >LOL! (-:
>>
>> Meet Kicking sig!
>
>Hello Kicking sig, pleased to make your acquaintance. (-:
<Kicking sig is happy to meet Kothos too!>
<ng sig, Gaksig, Pennysig, SithWarSig, Sithsig, DarthDoc sig, Puffsig
and .sigerette tree all come running up and waving "HI KOTHOS!" as
well>
You should meet Darth Gumby's .sigs too! And Bill's and Oliver's and
Daniel's and...
-Rainbow Heron
(sigs are friendly...most of the time...then they're just plain crazy)
It must mean something that Kicking sig keeps coming up in the sig
rotation at this point in the thread...
iakovos
"Oliver J. Hanau" <o...@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:ac30mq$lusad$1...@ID-35218.news.dfncis.de...
Well, I first made a subject line with Sido-Dyas, then posted my findings
with a new subject line with Sifo-Dyas, so there :p
Iakovos:)
iakovos
Yes, clear his mind is on this :)
>
> >> >Unless... he wasn't, or they didn't know he was, a Sith when sitting
on
> >> >the Jedi Council - they just thought he had slipped to the Dark Side
and had
> >> >him expelled for that.
> >>
> >> Do we even know what "Sifo-Dyas" if he was on the Council may have
> >> been expelled for?
> >
> >We do not even know if he was on the council at all.
>
> Which I don't think he was. I'll be reading the novel soon so I'll
> find out...I hope.
The only available source are the Kamino guys. They only think that he was a
leading member of the Jedi Council.
>
> >> Seems to me that the Council is more confused than they were earlier.
> >> But most of your theory does seems sound (even if I don't agree with
> >> most of it). Ep3 should tell us whether or not we're correct.
> >>
> >> We may on the wrong track with this whole thing...and believe you me
> >> I'd LOVE it if we were! :-D
> >
> >I'd LOVE it if our track lead to the partial truth :D
>
> As long as it leads SOMEwhere! :-D
To hell and back? LOL
> I'd hate to have to have gone thru all of this for nothing.
Oh.... *hug*? LOL
Iakovos:)
Kothos
[snip]
> >> >> >> 1. if Palpatine = Sidious and Sidious = Sifo-Dyas former Jedi
then
> >> >> >> wouldn't Windu and Yoda recognized Palpatine?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yeah I noticed that. I was thinking maybe he had reconstructive
> >> >> >surgery as part of his faked death(?).
> >> >>
> >> >> Outside arm replacements, that'd be a first for GFFA! :-)
> >> >
> >> >Medical technology hasn't been overly explored in the movies hey?
> >>
> >> I don't know. I'm certain they've left out some stuff.
> >>
> >> >I suppose that's not their focus in any case (-:
> >>
> >> Not unless you're watching medical training videos!
> >
> >Not me!
>
> I'm an ER junkie. <looks around nervously> Why'd they have to kill
> Lucy or Dr. Greene?! <wails>
>
> >What I know about medicine you could generally fit into a thimble
> >without taking the rhinocerous out first!
>
> That'd be a neat trick in and of itself!!!
You think? You should see where I keep my Minki Whales!
;-)
> <snip>
> >> >I think so too. The Jedi wouldn't stoop to things that normal Earth
> >> >governments do all the time methinks.
> >>
> >> You think the governments here on Earth are normal? ;-)
> >
> >Depends, to what are you comparing them? (-:
>
> Who needs a comparison? ;-)
Unfortunately for Earth governments, I must admit you have a point (-:
> >> <snips>
> >> >> >Sorry also for the consistent "Sido-Dyas" typo...
> >> >>
> >> >> Y'know I really didn't notice. But I could have ng sig whack you
over
> >> >> the head with the typo stick if that would make you feel better.
> >> >
> >> >Dunno, is it part of the RASSM initiation? ;-)
> >>
> >> No- it's something ng sig does to me whenever I make a typo but it'll
> >> whack someone else on occaision.
> >>
> >> >> -Rainbow Heron
> >> >> (sig has a special Ep2 typo stick that looks like a lightsaber)
> >> >>
> >> >> Wear a helmet.
> >> >
> >> >Excellent motto! Either my life or my brains have been saved by
helmets
> >> >on no less than three occassions.
> >>
> >> Yep!!! So is keeping your dog on a leash or at least put a fence
> >> around your yard. <sniffle>
> >
> >You lost a pooch recently?
>
> This past November- she had a small presence here.
That's sad. Sorry, it's ... well you know how it is, not much to say. It
sucks.
> Still good advice.
I should know, too.
> >> >> ==========================================
> >> >> http://web.infoave.net/~rkanderson/rassm/swc.htm
> >> >> Rainbow Heron's Sith War Characters Page
> >> >> ==========================================
> >> >> I'm gonna kick their asses! And then I'm gonna kick their butts!
> >> >> And when I'm done kicking their donkeys and cigarettes,
> >> >> I'm gonna kick THEM!
> >> >
> >> >LOL! (-:
> >>
> >> Meet Kicking sig!
> >
> >Hello Kicking sig, pleased to make your acquaintance. (-:
>
> <Kicking sig is happy to meet Kothos too!>
>
> <ng sig, Gaksig, Pennysig, SithWarSig, Sithsig, DarthDoc sig, Puffsig
> and .sigerette tree all come running up and waving "HI KOTHOS!" as
> well>
Jeez, .sigs are popular huh? HEY GUYS !
> You should meet Darth Gumby's .sigs too! And Bill's and Oliver's and
> Daniel's and...
I'm sure I'll get around eventually! (-:
Kothos
Rainbow Heron
<kot...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote:
>
>"Rainbow Heron" <rainbo...@ftc-i.net> wrote in message
>news:ssdbeuki8d863f5eg...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 18 May 2002 10:59:59 +1000, "Kothos"
>> <kot...@dingoblue.net.au> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> >> >> >> 1. if Palpatine = Sidious and Sidious = Sifo-Dyas former Jedi
>> >> >> >> then wouldn't Windu and Yoda recognized Palpatine?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Yeah I noticed that. I was thinking maybe he had reconstructive
>> >> >> >surgery as part of his faked death(?).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Outside arm replacements, that'd be a first for GFFA! :-)
>> >> >
>> >> >Medical technology hasn't been overly explored in the movies hey?
>> >>
>> >> I don't know. I'm certain they've left out some stuff.
>> >>
>> >> >I suppose that's not their focus in any case (-:
>> >>
>> >> Not unless you're watching medical training videos!
>> >
>> >Not me!
>>
>> I'm an ER junkie. <looks around nervously> Why'd they have to kill
>> Lucy or Dr. Greene?! <wails>
>>
>> >What I know about medicine you could generally fit into a thimble
>> >without taking the rhinocerous out first!
>>
>> That'd be a neat trick in and of itself!!!
>
>You think? You should see where I keep my Minki Whales!
>
>;-)
Minki Whales? Dare I ask what a Minki Whale is?
>> <snip>
>> >> >I think so too. The Jedi wouldn't stoop to things that normal Earth
>> >> >governments do all the time methinks.
>> >>
>> >> You think the governments here on Earth are normal? ;-)
>> >
>> >Depends, to what are you comparing them? (-:
>>
>> Who needs a comparison? ;-)
>
>Unfortunately for Earth governments, I must admit you have a point (-:
:-)
If you can even call some of them governments anymore. :-P
<snip>
>> >> >> Wear a helmet.
>> >> >
>> >> >Excellent motto! Either my life or my brains have been saved by
>> >> >helmets on no less than three occassions.
>> >>
>> >> Yep!!! So is keeping your dog on a leash or at least put a fence
>> >> around your yard. <sniffle>
>> >
>> >You lost a pooch recently?
>>
>> This past November- she had a small presence here.
>
>That's sad. Sorry, it's ... well you know how it is, not much to say. It
>sucks.
Thanks.
>> Still good advice.
>
>I should know, too.
:-( Poor pup. I'm sorry.
>> >> >> ==========================================
>> >> >> http://web.infoave.net/~rkanderson/rassm/swc.htm
>> >> >> Rainbow Heron's Sith War Characters Page
>> >> >> ==========================================
>> >> >> I'm gonna kick their asses! And then I'm gonna kick their butts!
>> >> >> And when I'm done kicking their donkeys and cigarettes,
>> >> >> I'm gonna kick THEM!
>> >> >
>> >> >LOL! (-:
>> >>
>> >> Meet Kicking sig!
>> >
>> >Hello Kicking sig, pleased to make your acquaintance. (-:
>>
>> <Kicking sig is happy to meet Kothos too!>
>>
>> <ng sig, Gaksig, Pennysig, SithWarSig, Sithsig, DarthDoc sig, Puffsig
>> and .sigerette tree all come running up and waving "HI KOTHOS!" as
>> well>
>
>Jeez, .sigs are popular huh? HEY GUYS !
<sigs and .sigerette tree are pleasantly surprised to hear themselves
be called "popular" and bounce around the room cheering extremely
happily and generally being loud>
<RH covers her ears and wishes she had a place to lock them into on
occaision like DG>
>> You should meet Darth Gumby's .sigs too! And Bill's and Oliver's and
>> Daniel's and...
>
>I'm sure I'll get around eventually! (-:
The sooner the better!!!! :-)
-Rainbow Heron
(sig says that Kothos should get himself a.sig so it can join in the
.Significant Rebellion)
I hope that sig never *officially* opens a recruiting office. I'd hate
to pay for the furniture costs y'know.
==========================================
http://web.infoave.net/~rkanderson/rassm/swc.htm
Rainbow Heron's Sith War Characters Page
==========================================
Rainbow Heron
<indi...@ath.forthnet.gr> wrote:
<snips>
>> >> >Unless... he wasn't, or they didn't know he was, a Sith when sitting
>> >> >on the Jedi Council - they just thought he had slipped to the Dark Side
>> >> >and had him expelled for that.
>> >>
>> >> Do we even know what "Sifo-Dyas" if he was on the Council may have
>> >> been expelled for?
>> >
>> >We do not even know if he was on the council at all.
>>
>> Which I don't think he was. I'll be reading the novel soon so I'll
>> find out...I hope.
>
>The only available source are the Kamino guys. They only think that he was a
>leading member of the Jedi Council.
<comes back from reading novel>
They think he was but he wasn't.
>> >> Seems to me that the Council is more confused than they were earlier.
>> >> But most of your theory does seems sound (even if I don't agree with
>> >> most of it). Ep3 should tell us whether or not we're correct.
>> >>
>> >> We may on the wrong track with this whole thing...and believe you me
>> >> I'd LOVE it if we were! :-D
>> >
>> >I'd LOVE it if our track lead to the partial truth :D
>>
>> As long as it leads SOMEwhere! :-D
>
>To hell and back? LOL
Yeah no kidding ;-D
>> I'd hate to have to have gone thru all of this for nothing.
>
>Oh.... *hug*? LOL
Uh...ok <hug> At least we're not fighting here.
-Rainbow Heron
(sig wonders if it has ever really fought RH)
There are differences between fighting and speculating.
==========================================
http://web.infoave.net/~rkanderson/rassm/swc.htm
Rainbow Heron's Sith War Characters Page
==========================================
Penny for your two cents?
Chris Olin
> -
> "iakovos" <indi...@ath.forthnet.gr> wrote in message
> news:10210277...@athprx02.forthnet.gr...
> >
> > "Bill Kohlleppel" <kohll...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > news:3CDB7EAB...@attbi.com...
> > > iakovos wrote:
> >
> > > The EU has had stories of some Jedi- Outbound Flight Project where some
> > 20 - 50
> > > Jedi were sent out as part of a Space Exploration program. I wonder if
> > Lucas is
> > > using this in hist official storyline.
> >
> > As far as I know there is no mentioning of a Master Sido-Dyas anywhere
> > except for the AOTC film.
> > The knowledge that everybody knows him (Windu, Obi, Yoda) makes me wonder.
> > Is he the NEW apprentice of Darth Sidious and Dooku is just an Ally?
> >
> > Iakovos:)
> >
> >
Could Sido-Dyas be a mispronousation of "Sidious"?
Chris
iakovos
> On Sat, 18 May 2002 11:27:23 +0300, "iakovos"
> <indi...@ath.forthnet.gr> wrote:
>
> <snips>
> >> >> >Unless... he wasn't, or they didn't know he was, a Sith when
sitting
> >> >> >on the Jedi Council - they just thought he had slipped to the Dark
Side
> >> >> >and had him expelled for that.
> >> >>
> >> >> Do we even know what "Sifo-Dyas" if he was on the Council may have
> >> >> been expelled for?
> >> >
> >> >We do not even know if he was on the council at all.
> >>
> >> Which I don't think he was. I'll be reading the novel soon so I'll
> >> find out...I hope.
> >
> >The only available source are the Kamino guys. They only think that he
was a
> >leading member of the Jedi Council.
>
> <comes back from reading novel>
>
> They think he was but he wasn't.
Well, in the movie we do not have actual info on that matter.
Iakovos:)
iakovos
"Chris Olin" <cho...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:3CE82617...@adelphia.net...
Nope, cause Sifo-Dyas (or Sido-Dyas) does exist.
Iakovos:)
Rainbow Heron
Fine.
-Rainbow Heron
(sig hasn't seen the movie but has read the book)
In the movie anyway...
iakovos
Well, the movie is far more important that any book...
Iakovos:)
Rainbow Heron
<indi...@ath.forthnet.gr> wrote:
I'm sorry you feel that way. Since you obviously can't respect my view
by acknowledging the book, this conversation is officially over
between you and me.
-Rainbow Heron
iakovos
I do acknowledge the book and I do respect your opinion. You do not
acknowledge the fact that you haven't seen the movie yet.
Iakovos:)