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gp

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Jan 11, 2003, 3:55:18 PM1/11/03
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I had high hopes for Gentoo. Then, there was this picture:

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/images/shots/desktop-danarmak.png

I wrote to Daniel Robbins about it and it seems he has no objection
about it. His reply was in the "everyone's entitled to its opinion"
tone. But what about neo-nazis or partisans of the apartheid? Are they
entitled to their opinions? Should zionists be entitled to their
opinions when the facts say they are killers?

In 1914, 10% of the population of Palestine was jewish. Now, Jews
constitute 87% of the population(1) and, with the help of the US, they
still trample the palestinian population under their military boot,
still occupy more and more territory despite the signing of the Oslo
accords. The land is apparently theirs because they were evicted from it
15 centuries before the discovery of America, 4 centuries before the
fall of Rome.

(1) This figure is the CIA's, not some leftist group's.

While they ask for 16 more billions $ for military aid from the US,
while the Bronfmans escaped with 750 millions in unpaid taxes in Canada
when they bought Universal-MCA(1), according to a recent TVA report,
zionist Jews are buying business towers in downtown Montreal. (Jewish
real estate agents where interviewed to confirm.)

(1) Same in the US according to Heidemarie Lundblad. See "There ought to
be a Law."
http://www.csun.edu/~hfact004/dupont.html

In Palestine, before 1967, they bought buildings and land. Then, they
brought in the bulldozers and just stole it. Here we're so stupid that
we let them buy us with the money they stole from us.

And to do this undisturbed, zionists control information. While there is
a conflict in Israel, Robert Rabinovitch, the Bronfmans' right-hand man,
has been named at the head of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
(both CBC and SRC, the english and french networks). Israel Asper
distributes his own editorials through the CanWest Global papers.
Universal-MCA owns television networks all over the US.

Of course, in the eye of zionists, any protest against their wrong
doings qualifies as anti-semitism. So, if it may reassure you, some Jews
are very dear to me. They've one thing in common: they're all
ferociously anti-zionists.

A few years ago, Linux aficionados said Linux matters should never be
mixed with politics. Now, with Microsoft escaping unharmed the antitrust
trial and pursuing the Palladium venture, they're not so sure. I for
one have always pretended that Linux is the most political matter of the
moment.

If Daniel Robbins has so little common sense that he lets Dan Armak wave
his zionist flag, he's certainly unfit to run a Linux distro. I for one
would never trust the security of my system to such a zionist boot licker.

This Tux waving a zionist flag picture is a shame on Linux. I invite you
to express your disgust to Daniel Robbins: drob...@gentoo.org

GP
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Jhair Tocancipa Triana

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Jan 11, 2003, 4:03:02 PM1/11/03
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gp writes:

> I had high hopes for Gentoo. Then, there was this picture:
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/images/shots/
> desktop-danarmak.png

[...]

> This Tux waving a zionist flag picture is a shame on Linux. I invite
> you to express your disgust to Daniel Robbins: drob...@gentoo.org

I express my disgust to you, sending your worthless anti-semite crap
to this technical group.

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Joseph

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Jan 11, 2003, 4:04:55 PM1/11/03
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Get a life....

Joel Rosenberg

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Jan 11, 2003, 4:06:49 PM1/11/03
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gp <gipe@spamMEnot_videotron.ca> writes:

> I had high hopes for Gentoo. Then, there was this picture:
>
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/images/shots/desktop-danarmak.png

Way cool; thanks for sharing the link.


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Peter T. Breuer

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Jan 11, 2003, 4:24:22 PM1/11/03
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gp <gipe@spammenot_videotron.ca> wrote:
> I had high hopes for Gentoo. Then, there was this picture:

> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/images/shots/desktop-danarmak.png

There's a bit of tux in the background with an israeli flag in his hand
and a bit of a hebrew letter in a text editor. So? This is fine. The
guy is clearly proud of his homeland or origins, and apparently can
write yvritt.

Would that we all were so talented.

> I wrote to Daniel Robbins about it and it seems he has no objection
> about it. His reply was in the "everyone's entitled to its opinion"

There is no opinion to be had. This is fine. Go and boil your head.

Peter

Joseph

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Jan 11, 2003, 4:46:11 PM1/11/03
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:03:02 +0100, Jhair Tocancipa Triana wrote:

> gp writes:
>
>> I had high hopes for Gentoo. Then, there was this picture:
>> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/images/shots/
>> desktop-danarmak.png
>
> [...]
>
>> This Tux waving a zionist flag picture is a shame on Linux. I invite
>> you to express your disgust to Daniel Robbins: drob...@gentoo.org
>
> I express my disgust to you, sending your worthless anti-semite crap
> to this technical group.

...and I, my respect to you for speaking out.

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they insult you for asking questions; for not understanding their rants; or
the cryptic language in the manfiles. Ignore their asinine attitude; they are
simply legends in their own mind. PLONK them ASAP and be done with them.

roodwriter

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Jan 11, 2003, 4:53:00 PM1/11/03
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Joseph wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:03:02 +0100, Jhair Tocancipa Triana wrote:
>
>> gp writes:
>>
>> I express my disgust to you, sending your worthless anti-semite crap
>> to this technical group.
>
> ...and I, my respect to you for speaking out.
>

And this will be a "me too." But I think this might be one of those times
when a flurry of "me toos" will be needed to keep crap like this from being
posted here.

--Rod

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Joel Rosenberg

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Jan 11, 2003, 5:27:22 PM1/11/03
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roodwriter <roodw...@core.com> writes:

> Joseph wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:03:02 +0100, Jhair Tocancipa Triana wrote:
> >
> >> gp writes:
> >>
> >> I express my disgust to you, sending your worthless anti-semite crap
> >> to this technical group.
> >
> > ...and I, my respect to you for speaking out.
> >
>
> And this will be a "me too." But I think this might be one of those times
> when a flurry of "me toos" will be needed to keep crap like this from being
> posted here.
>
> --Rod
>

I'll add a metoo, too, but I don't think one should expect the
antisemites to shut up -- all in all, it's been a pretty bad year for
them... and it's only going to get worse.

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Michael Heiming

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Jan 11, 2003, 5:33:35 PM1/11/03
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gp <gipe@spammenot_videotron.ca> wrote:
> I had high hopes for Gentoo. Then, there was this picture:

> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/images/shots/desktop-danarmak.png

Looks nice, but what's your problem? This is a technical newsgroup.

[SNIP]

Michael Heiming
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Joseph

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Jan 11, 2003, 6:12:45 PM1/11/03
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:27:22 +0000, Joel Rosenberg wrote:

> I'll add a metoo, too, but I don't think one should expect the
> antisemites to shut up -- all in all, it's been a pretty bad year for
> them... and it's only going to get worse.

Yes, it is going to get continually worse till YHWH returns.

Clive Dove

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Jan 11, 2003, 6:17:10 PM1/11/03
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Joseph wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:27:22 +0000, Joel Rosenberg wrote:
>
>> I'll add a metoo, too, but I don't think one should expect the
>> antisemites to shut up -- all in all, it's been a pretty bad year for
>> them... and it's only going to get worse.
>
> Yes, it is going to get continually worse till YHWH returns.
>

I complained to abuse at the address in the op's header

This is not only anti-semitic crap but the posting is also illegal under
the law of the originator's isp (Canada)



gp

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Jan 11, 2003, 6:17:44 PM1/11/03
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Jhair Tocancipa Triana wrote:
> gp writes:
>
>
>>I had high hopes for Gentoo. Then, there was this picture:
>>http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/images/shots/
>>desktop-danarmak.png
>
>
> [...]
>
>
>>This Tux waving a zionist flag picture is a shame on Linux. I invite
>>you to express your disgust to Daniel Robbins: drob...@gentoo.org
>
>
> I express my disgust to you, sending your worthless anti-semite crap
> to this technical group.

As I said: "Of course, in the eye of zionists, any protest against their

wrong doings qualifies as anti-semitism."

Didn't Armak also post his picture in a technical context?

GP
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Le néocolonialisme sioniste en Palestine
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Jhair Tocancipa Triana

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Jan 11, 2003, 6:25:52 PM1/11/03
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gp <gipe@spamMEnot_videotron.ca> writes:

> Didn't Armak also post his picture in a technical context?

I knew I forgot something. Score file adjusted and...

PLONK

gp

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Jan 11, 2003, 6:47:09 PM1/11/03
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Joseph wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:27:22 +0000, Joel Rosenberg wrote:
>
>
>>I'll add a metoo, too, but I don't think one should expect the
>>antisemites to shut up -- all in all, it's been a pretty bad year for
>>them... and it's only going to get worse.
>
>
> Yes, it is going to get continually worse till YHWH returns.

And Sharon the killer, the torturer, is Yahvé's man to establish The
Promised Land? Yeah, get a life faschist pumpkin head. Here are the
universally recognized figures:

10% Jews in Palestine in 1914
86% Jews in Israel in 2002... and they still pretend the Palestian dont
want to negociate and they still occupy more land despite the Oslo accords.

Stop shouting "anti-semite" north and south just to escape the facts.

Some jewish, even rabbis, organize manifestations in front of the
israeli consulate in Montreal because they oppose sionist's views even
more than christians do.

Down with Gentoo!

GP

Sybren Stuvel

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Jan 11, 2003, 6:56:27 PM1/11/03
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gp enlightened us with:

> I had high hopes for Gentoo. Then, there was this picture:
[snip]

> This Tux waving a zionist flag picture is a shame on Linux.

It's not a shame on Linux. Tux waving any kind of flag could never, ever
be a shame on Linux. If it were a shame on someone or something, it
would be on the person creating that picture - and there would be shame
on you, because you linked to it, and drawn the attention of hundreds of
people that otherwise wouldn't have seen the picture in the first place.

From a completely different perspecive: the hebrew text is a good
demonstration of the international possibilities of Linux / KDE.

Sybren

PS: Please notice the large amounts of "if" in the above post. I don't
think there's a shame on anyone in this matter.
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Keith Tnecul

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Jan 11, 2003, 7:10:46 PM1/11/03
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> But what about neo-nazis or partisans of the apartheid? Are they
> entitled to their opinions? Should zionists be entitled to their
> opinions when the facts say they are killers?

Get a life. This kind of anti-semetic claptrap doesn't belong anywhere
but especially in a Linux newsgroup.

PLONK! (I learned that here)

Rick Tnecul

Keith Tnecul

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Jan 11, 2003, 7:18:06 PM1/11/03
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:12:45 +0000, Joseph wrote:

> Yes, it is going to get continually worse till YHWH returns.

Ahh! Joseph! A man after my own heart (well maybe not mine but YHWH's).
And a Linux user too! What a combo.

Rick Tnecul

Budd Cochran

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Jan 11, 2003, 7:16:45 PM1/11/03
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Hey, braindead, here's an newsflash for you.

The three major religions, Islam, Christianity, and Judism all worship the
same true living God: YHWH, Jehovah, Yahovah, Eloihim and Allah are all the
same Infinite Being.

So when you slam the God of the Israelites, you slam your own God. Not a
wise Eternal Life move.

Now sit down with the Scriptures, and study for yourself and quit following
some corrupt interpretation by someone with a goal of setting themselves up
to be worshipped.

Budd


Joseph

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Jan 11, 2003, 7:24:34 PM1/11/03
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:16:45 -0700, Budd Cochran wrote:

> Hey, braindead, here's an newsflash for you.

Hey Budd, maybe ya oughta read my post agin'

Where'd ya ever come up with the idea I was knocking God?

Budd Cochran

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Jan 11, 2003, 7:31:45 PM1/11/03
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"Joseph" <1on1|~reee|mooove~|@email.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.01.12....@email.com...

> On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:16:45 -0700, Budd Cochran wrote:
>
> > Hey, braindead, here's an newsflash for you.
>
> Hey Budd, maybe ya oughta read my post agin'
>
> Where'd ya ever come up with the idea I was knocking God?

Joseph, the reply wasn't to you. It was to the brainless "gp" entity.

Check the thread again....please.

Budd

Joseph

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Jan 11, 2003, 7:53:11 PM1/11/03
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:31:45 -0700, Budd Cochran wrote:

> Joseph, the reply wasn't to you. It was to the brainless "gp" entity.
>
> Check the thread again....please.

I did check...before I sent the first reply. And, I just checked again. Your reply is directly to my
post.

Check your filters & see if they might have caused this. I just removed
all of mine to be sure.

Peter Karlsson

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Jan 11, 2003, 8:06:23 PM1/11/03
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begin "Budd Cochran" <mr-...@citlink.net> wrote:

> Hey, braindead, here's an newsflash for you.

[snip]

It's like I always says; nothing creates more suffering than religion. Why the
f*ck can't people just get along with each other WITHOUT bringing in some weird
god in the picture?

Yes, I'm an atheist. No, I don't drick blood. :-)

Regards,
Peter
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MCP/RHCE

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Jan 11, 2003, 8:34:32 PM1/11/03
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Having read all the post to date concerning this matter I would say you
ought to be careful. Some jews read this including me. A little bit of
support would be helpful. Having seen the pic I would say you should be
proud that linux (and tux) seem to have made it to the homeland and many
other parts of the world. Long may he be remembered by many people and long
may he live!


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news:pan.2003.01.12....@netscape.com...

Bill Unruh

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Jan 11, 2003, 8:36:08 PM1/11/03
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Clive Dove <chd...@rogers.com> writes:

]Joseph wrote:


I doubt it. While his opinions are puerile and paranoid, even in Canada he still has
the right to express them, just as others would if they objected to
a picture of the
penguin with a Palestinian flag or Kalashnikov, or even a Canadian flag.

Joachim Feise

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Jan 11, 2003, 8:59:37 PM1/11/03
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gp wrote:
[stupid drivel deleted]

Welcome to my killfile.
Plonk.

+Chiron+

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Jan 11, 2003, 9:06:19 PM1/11/03
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Bill Unruh tempted the fates in alt.os.linux
by rushing in here and proclaiming the following to be true:

> penguin with a Palestinian flag or Kalashnikov, or even a Canadian flag.

Hey now-
I wouldn't go that far with this huggy-feely crap.

After all , it *was* a Canadian that started all of this. ;) [0]

[0] Next thing you know, we'll all be saying 'aboot'. [1]
[1] I'm kidding, of course. I'm 1/2 French-Canadian. [2]
[2] But I don't admit it in public [3]
[3] Oops.

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gp

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Jan 11, 2003, 8:18:19 PM1/11/03
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Michael Heiming wrote:
> gp <gipe@spammenot_videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>I had high hopes for Gentoo. Then, there was this picture:
>
>
>>http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/images/shots/desktop-danarmak.png
>
>
> Looks nice, but what's your problem? This is a technical newsgroup.

So? You mean if a distro promotes killing and torture we should shut up
because it's open source? Or maybe we should discuss the ethics of a
Linux distro on an ethics newsgroup?

Sorry, I don't agree!

GP


gp

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Jan 11, 2003, 9:10:58 PM1/11/03
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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> roodwriter <roodw...@core.com> writes:

> I'll add a metoo, too, but I don't think one should expect the
> antisemites to shut up -- all in all, it's been a pretty bad year for
> them... and it's only going to get worse.

Yeah! Repeat "antisemite" a thousand times and let's see if it makes a
semblance of an argument. Let's see if you can justify the recrudescence
of Jews in Palestine by a sudden raise in their birth rate. Let's see if
God's project is not Charles Bronfman's instead.

No doubt you will pretend that the Jerusalem Post is a leftists' rag,
but here's what we can learn about dear Charlie's project.

First off, from the beginning, he financed terrorist organisation such
as the Hagannah. Nowdays... Let's leave a self-proclaimed sionist tell
the story:

"(...) to guarantee the continuance of the Birthright revolution, $180 -
10 times hai - will be deposited in the bank account of every Jewish
baby born in the Diaspora, a move also intended to help keep better
track of the world Jewish community."

Then...

"The brainchild of One Israel MK Yossi Beilin, Birthright will aim to
provide any Jew in the world, aged 15 to 26, with a free plane ticket to
Israel and the cost of 10 days' participation in an Israel program of
his or her choice."

So, first, Charlie makes a census. Hey, which Jew in Ukraine wouldn't
register his child for $180 US, knowing that he might later get out of
misery by moving to properous Israël? Then Charlie has the children pay
a visit to Israel to see if they turned out to be law abiding citizens,
people who will kill and shut up.

So, what does Charlie get out of the deal? Arms contracts, oil deals?
Who knows? Well, we can suppose that Israelis don't trust too much the
food they could get from neighboring arab countries, and it just so
happens that dear Charlie owns Koor, "largest single foreign investor in
Israel."

http://www.jpost.com/com/Archive/29.Jun.1999/Features/Article-1.html

Talk about a Promised Land!

Yes, it's been a pretty bad year for so-called anti-sionists who keep on
reminding the facts. Still, Zionists' wrong doings are much better known
today than they were under the Weimar Republic.

Comprenne qui pourra.


GP
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Les sionistes sont des assassins
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gp

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Jan 11, 2003, 9:24:38 PM1/11/03
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Clive Dove wrote:

> This is not only anti-semitic crap but the posting is also illegal under
> the law of the originator's isp (Canada)

Gee! I wonder why the Canadian Jewish Congress hasn't already sued me.
Maybe they're as short of arguments as you are...

GP
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Old Man

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Jan 11, 2003, 9:31:04 PM1/11/03
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gp wrote:

> yet another bullshit rant

OK now I get it. It's not that you _look_ like an ass. It's that you _are_
an ass.

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Peter Karlsson

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Jan 11, 2003, 9:35:28 PM1/11/03
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begin "gp" <gipe@spamMEnot_videotron.ca> wrote:

> I had high hopes for Gentoo. Then, there was this picture:
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/images/shots/desktop-danarmak.png

[snip]

Ummm...the world does NOT revolve around you and/or Israel/Palestine. Do you
really think the rest of the world care? This newsgroup is intended for
political discussions...NOT!


Have a nice day,

Old Man

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Jan 11, 2003, 9:38:18 PM1/11/03
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gp wrote:

>
> So? You mean if a distro promotes killing and torture we should shut up
> because it's open source? Or maybe we should discuss the ethics of a
> Linux distro on an ethics newsgroup?
>

You are really just hilarious! Is this Gentoo that "promotes killing and
torture" the same Gentoo that you were touting as the world's greatest
distro just two months ago? Gentoo was your Slackware killer du jour,
wasn't it? Yes, it was! What happened, asshole? Someone on the wonderful
Gentoo forums piss you off? When will you turn on Knoppix? And what
bizarre form will those attacks take? You're truly a fool, not to be
believed, and I mean that quite literally. Add me to your "fuck off"
collection.

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Tom B

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Jan 11, 2003, 10:00:10 PM1/11/03
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You are such a loser, you're not even worth quoting. But, just to help you
understand DICKWAD, The screenshot is for a Hebrew language version of
Gentoo. Should Linux not be ported to Hebrew because a few ignorant fucks
like you can't share this great big blue marble? Get a life. If you can't
get one, end yours. It's worthless anyhow.

Shame on you for being such an ass.

Tom B
Atheist


gp

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Jan 11, 2003, 9:19:34 PM1/11/03
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gp wrote:
> I had high hopes for Gentoo. Then, there was this picture:
>
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/images/shots/desktop-danarmak.png
>
>
> I wrote to Daniel Robbins about it and it seems he has no objection
> about it. His reply was in the "everyone's entitled to its opinion"
> tone. But what about neo-nazis or partisans of the apartheid? Are they
> entitled to their opinions? Should zionists be entitled to their
> opinions when the facts say they are killers?
>
> In 1914, 10% of the population of Palestine was jewish. Now, Jews
> constitute 87% of the population(1) and, with the help of the US, they
> still trample the palestinian population under their military boot,
> still occupy more and more territory despite the signing of the Oslo
> accords. The land is apparently theirs because they were evicted from it
> 15 centuries before the discovery of America, 4 centuries before the
> fall of Rome.
>
> (1) This figure is the CIA's, not some leftist group's.

(...)


> If Daniel Robbins has so little common sense that he lets Dan Armak wave
> his zionist flag, he's certainly unfit to run a Linux distro. I for one
> would never trust the security of my system to such a zionist boot licker.


>
> This Tux waving a zionist flag picture is a shame on Linux. I invite you
> to express your disgust to Daniel Robbins: drob...@gentoo.org

Since Zionists do not seem to have a semblance of an argument except
repeating their usual "you are an anti-sionist" mantra, discussion is
impossible.

So, it's up to everybody to decide if they will support a killers' distro.

GP


gp

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Jan 11, 2003, 10:09:30 PM1/11/03
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Old Man wrote:
> gp wrote:
>
>
>>So? You mean if a distro promotes killing and torture we should shut up
>>because it's open source? Or maybe we should discuss the ethics of a
>>Linux distro on an ethics newsgroup?
>>


> You are really just hilarious! Is this Gentoo that "promotes killing and
> torture" the same Gentoo that you were touting as the world's greatest
> distro just two months ago?

As I said: "I had high hopes for Gentoo." But more data came in, and I
you haven't heard me praise Gentoo recently.

> Someone on the wonderful
> Gentoo forums piss you off?

No, asshole. Check my first post. All is there.

> When will you turn on Knoppix?

If Klaus Knopper ever turns a zionist boot-licker, if he plans to
introduce Knoppix to the Stock Exchange, I will certainly turn down
Knoppix. Funny, I don't think this is very likely to happen :)

I suppose your opinion on zionists Jews hasn't change either: with all
their tanks and the atomic bomb, you still see them as helpless people
in concentration camps? Well, dear
I-never-change-opinion-because-I'm-wise guy, welcome to the real world,
they're not.

GP

fast

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Jan 11, 2003, 10:13:41 PM1/11/03
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gp wrote:

How is it again that this distro "promotes killing and torture"? I have yet
to see, read, or hear anything other than your bullshit assuming rant
concerning it. Do yourself, your family, and the rest of the world a favor
........... shut off your computer, go outside, take a few deep breaths,
calm down, then go take a goddamned nap you silly whining child.
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Budd Cochran

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Jan 11, 2003, 11:03:42 PM1/11/03
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"Joseph" <1on1|~reee|mooove~|@email.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.01.12....@email.com...
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:31:45 -0700, Budd Cochran wrote:
>
> > Joseph, the reply wasn't to you. It was to the brainless "gp" entity.
> >
> > Check the thread again....please.
>
> I did check...before I sent the first reply. And, I just checked again.
Your reply is directly to my
> post.
>
> Check your filters & see if they might have caused this. I just removed
> all of mine to be sure.

I'm using ME on a 1 1/2 yr old Gateway system, running Outlook Express and
the filters are not configured at all because they weren't that effective in
the past. I run Zone Alarm, Norton AV, and Popup Stopper to work as damage
control.

_My_ monitor shows my reply linked to "gp". I am not a computer expert so I
have to use the "reply to" button which I clicked while I was on "gp"'s
post.

If you still see it linked to your post then I apologize for that. I did not
intend to disparage you in any way. My intention was to show that there is
but one Living God, that's all.

Budd


gp

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Jan 11, 2003, 11:39:53 PM1/11/03
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Peter Karlsson wrote:
> begin "Budd Cochran" <mr-...@citlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Hey, braindead, here's an newsflash for you.
>
> [snip]
>
> It's like I always says; nothing creates more suffering than religion. Why the
> f*ck can't people just get along with each other WITHOUT bringing in some weird
> god in the picture?

Are you sure religion is not only a pretext? What if it was about the
Almighthy Dollar once again and plain stupidity?

Just to recover from the fascist filth of our good zionist friends, I
read the following articles from Harper's:

The Road to Babylon, by Lewis Lapham, or how America's dimwits are going
to get us into trouble EXACTLY the same way Alcibiades got Athens into
trouble.
http://www.harpers.org/online/the_road_to_babylon/the_road_to_babylon.php3?pg=1

Cool War, by Joy Gordon or how America enjoys killing children in Irak
http://www.harpers.org/online/cool_war/cool_war.php3?pg=1

Will you read them or will you continue to spread your nonsense from the
code you read?

GP

HoboSong

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Jan 12, 2003, 3:20:20 AM1/12/03
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I believe it was gp who said...

You're a fuckin idiot.

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Can't see anything on this screen-shot promoting killing of people, there's
just a small tux with an Israel flag.

Please use, cola (comp.os.linux.advocacy), home of the trolls.

Michael Heiming
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paul cooke

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Jan 12, 2003, 3:58:02 AM1/12/03
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Michael Heiming was seen in <tm9rva...@news.heiming.de> in
comp.os.linux.advocacy to propose the following:

> gp <gipe@spammenot_videotron.ca> wrote:
>> Michael Heiming wrote:
>>> gp <gipe@spammenot_videotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I had high hopes for Gentoo. Then, there was this picture:
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/images/shots/desktop-danarmak.png
>>>
>>>
>>> Looks nice, but what's your problem? This is a technical newsgroup.
>
>> So? You mean if a distro promotes killing and torture we should shut
>> up because it's open source? Or maybe we should discuss the ethics of
>> a Linux distro on an ethics newsgroup?
>
> Can't see anything on this screen-shot promoting killing of people,
> there's just a small tux with an Israel flag.

there's plenty of Tuxes around waving all sorts of flags... German...
American, British... Chinese, Russian, Japanese, lots of Arab nation
ones as well. But someone is trying to cast aspersions just cos he found
a desktop shot of a Tux holdving the flag of Israel... The fact that the
person who's using it happens to be an Israeli as well doesn't seem to
matter. It purely goes to show just how international the use of Linux
is.

>
> Please use, cola (comp.os.linux.advocacy), home of the trolls.

helps if you set the followup correctly though Michael... ;)

>
> Michael Heiming

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Kurt

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Jan 12, 2003, 4:35:20 AM1/12/03
to
In article <1545864.NNQOP1IZE7@devil>, Éric DeVille wrote:
>
> This person is not very healty, so, let him ventilate to prevent him to
> eventually go out and kill someone but, please, feel pitty and do not give him

Of course, there is nothing wrong with suicide (hint to the OP).

- Kurt

Grendel T. Troll

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Jan 12, 2003, 6:04:39 AM1/12/03
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While I was building my bridge from L.A. to Tokyo, I saw gp scribble this on a girder:


> Yeah! Repeat "antisemite" a thousand times and let's see if it makes a
> semblance of an argument. Let's see if you can justify the recrudescence
> of Jews in Palestine by a sudden raise in their birth rate. Let's see if
> God's project is not Charles Bronfman's instead.
>


<<REMAINING QUOTE SNIPPED FOR SANITY>>


Dude, get a Clue<tm>. WHO CARES????? Most of the
people in this NG don't from what I am seeing. Nobody really gives a rat's a$$ about
this!! Take this somewhere else where people will care about it, like all
of those debating NG's. Hell, take it to alt.linux.sucks and tell
everyone that Linux sucks because Jews use it. I'm sure you'll get a
great reaction from those guys. The NG's been a little slow, lately, and
this just might fuel it for a few weeks.

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dmz17

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Jan 12, 2003, 6:52:05 AM1/12/03
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On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 00:42:46 +0000, Éric DeVille wrote:

> gp wrote:
>
>>> If Daniel Robbins has so little common sense that he lets Dan Armak wave
>>> his zionist flag, he's certainly unfit to run a Linux distro. I for one
>>> would never trust the security of my system to such a zionist boot licker.
>>>
>>> This Tux waving a zionist flag picture is a shame on Linux. I invite you
>>> to express your disgust to Daniel Robbins: drob...@gentoo.org
>>
>> Since Zionists do not seem to have a semblance of an argument except
>> repeating their usual "you are an anti-sionist" mantra, discussion is
>> impossible.
>>
>> So, it's up to everybody to decide if they will support a killers' distro.
>

> That's Israel's flag ! That's normal for a Israeli user to display it on his
> desktop as much as Canadian users displaying Tux with a Canadian flag or...
> even... a Quebec flag! Would that also be "shame on Linux" ? Or are only the
> flags _you_ choosed to hate are "shame to Linux" ? And what have _you_ done so
> much for Humanity that would give _you_ the right to decide which flags are or
> are not "shame" to a OS that you never have even writen a line of codes for ?
>
> Hatred cause more harm in this World than what you call "zionism"...

My favourite is Tux wearing a conical rice staw hat on vnlinux.org.

Really cute!

Political? I don't think so

dmz17

Joe Fredrickson

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Jan 12, 2003, 7:37:16 AM1/12/03
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gp wrote:

> I had high hopes for Gentoo. Then, there was this picture:

I am forthwith ignoring this thread.

But I would like to say that GP you are a complete moron......

Im sure your parents had high hopes for you too but then there was
this post and well what can we say you went down the drain and back
to the treatment works where you were incinerated as some particle
waste.

Please do not post irrelevent, off topic, and most of all non-existant
worries about a flag.


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Erik Ljungström"

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Jan 12, 2003, 8:24:22 AM1/12/03
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:55:18 +0000, gp wrote:

> I had high hopes for Gentoo. Then, there was this picture:
>

> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/images/shots/desktop-danarmak.png
>

Wow, I have never ever appreciated my killfile this much!
Congratulations btw, you have just embarassed yourself and everything that
you stand for in front of thousands of ppl. Great!
Moron...

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Old Man

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Jan 12, 2003, 9:30:44 AM1/12/03
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GP announced today his withdrawal from all Linux newsgroups. In his
announcement, the self-appointed arbiter of policital correctness and "best
distro for newbies" said, "I'm very reluctant to give up my full time hobby
of annoying other Linux users, but, having shredded the last tattered
remnants of my own credibility, I feel I have no choice but to withdraw
from the newsgroups." Reactions from Linux users around the world were not
so mixed. +Chiron+ said, "Shit, I killfiled that asshole months ago."

--
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Budd Cochran

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Jan 12, 2003, 10:05:51 AM1/12/03
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You don't take your own advice I see.

Budd


Old Man

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Jan 12, 2003, 10:55:15 AM1/12/03
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Breaking news! This reporter has contacted a Linux newbie, GP's nemesis
Patrick Volkerding, and Daniel Robbins, apparent successor to Volkerding,
for their reactions to today's earthshaking announcement.

Newbie - "Yeah, I noticed that guy was kind of a jerk. What was up with him
and Slackware, anyway. That was just weird!"

Robbins - "WTF is a 'GP'?"

Volkerding - "Huh? Who?"

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gp

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Jan 12, 2003, 1:22:24 PM1/12/03
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gp wrote:

> paul cooke wrote:
>
>>
>> there's plenty of Tuxes around waving all sorts of flags... German...
>> American, British... Chinese, Russian, Japanese, lots of Arab nation
>> ones as well.
>

Maybe that's an error. I suggested to Daniel Robbins that, if he really
wanted an international project, no flag should be waved on his site.
Maybe Cubans, Serbs, Central-Americans, pretty much all
South-Americans wouldn't like the American flag to be waved. Maybe the
Tchechens, Ukrainians, the Poles, etc. wouldn't like the Russian flag to
be waved.

>> But someone is trying to cast aspersions just cos he found a desktop
>> shot of a Tux holdving the flag of Israel... The fact that the person
>> who's using it happens to be an Israeli as well doesn't seem to
>> matter. It purely goes to show just how international the use of
>> Linux is.
>

Cast aspertions... Right! Is it Israel fault if Palestians just seem to
disappear, vanish! Have you seen any concentration camps? Have you
witnessed any ghettos? Oups...

GP
--
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La dernière phase du néo-colonialisme se déroule aujourd'hui en Israël
http://pages.infinit.net/mcrit/sionisme.html


gp

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Jan 12, 2003, 1:41:52 PM1/12/03
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fast wrote:

> How is it again that this distro "promotes killing and torture"?

One sends the money, the other pulls the trigger, the third one waves
the flag so that more send more money...

GP

gp

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Jan 12, 2003, 1:48:05 PM1/12/03
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Joseph wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:03:02 +0100, Jhair Tocancipa Triana wrote:

>
>
>>gp writes:
>>
>>
>>>I had high hopes for Gentoo. Then, there was this picture:
>>>http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/images/shots/
>>>desktop-danarmak.png
>>
>>[...]

>>
>>
>>>This Tux waving a zionist flag picture is a shame on Linux. I invite
>>>you to express your disgust to Daniel Robbins: drob...@gentoo.org
>>
>>I express my disgust to you, sending your worthless anti-semite crap
>>to this technical group.
>
>
> ....and I, my respect to you for speaking out.

Speaking out what?

1914 - 10% Jews in Palestine
2002 - 87% Jews in Palestine

What more needs to be said? Maybe you would like to speak about the
torture of prisonners by israeli doctors working for the Shin Bet?
Haven't you ever tried to Google on the subject?

GP
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Kurt

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Jan 12, 2003, 2:45:19 PM1/12/03
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In article <pan.2003.01.12....@northernmost.org>,
Erik Ljungström wrote:
>
> Wow, I have never ever appreciated my killfile this much!
> Congratulations btw, you have just embarassed yourself and everything that
> you stand for in front of thousands of ppl. Great!
> Moron...
>

gp is either really messed up in the head, or one of the best trolls
I have ever seen. When we were having to deal with his rantings
in AOLS I actually started to think he really believes what he is
saying. And I still think he does.

But what if he is just a very talented troll?

- Kurt

Richard

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Jan 12, 2003, 2:49:40 PM1/12/03
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On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 16:38:30 +0000, the voice of Éric DeVille echoed
through the empty void and this is what I heard:

> dmz17 wrote:
>
>> My favourite is Tux wearing a conical rice staw hat on vnlinux.org.
>>
>> Really cute!
>>
>> Political? I don't think so
>

> Well doesn't that goes to show that Linux supports drunks who wear lamp
> shades on their head at parties and gribble cryptic stuff on napkins ?
>
> That's it: I'm going back to typewriter and calculator...

Ah, but I have here a picture of a calculator next to a Union Jack (which
I'm sure you know is the flag of my country the United Kingdom of Great
Britain and Northern Ireland) so clearly...all calculators support
British policy on Iraq! Better stick to the abacus (though you might find
yourself accused of supporting Roman Imperialism)

Richard

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Richard

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Jan 12, 2003, 2:39:41 PM1/12/03
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On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 00:53:11 +0000, the voice of Joseph echoed through the

empty void and this is what I heard:

> On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:31:45 -0700, Budd Cochran wrote:


>
>> Joseph, the reply wasn't to you. It was to the brainless "gp" entity.
>>
>> Check the thread again....please.
>
> I did check...before I sent the first reply. And, I just checked again.
> Your reply is directly to my post.
>

You want to learn to read news headers, my man. The references of Budd
Cochran's post were as follows:

<3E2084B6.1040001@spamMEnot_videotron.ca>
<m3d6n3x...@mandala.local>
<pan.2003.01.11....@email.com>
<v214ggq...@corp.supernews.com>
<m2vg0v2...@joelr.ellegon.com>
<pan.2003.01.11....@email.com>
<3E20ACFD.4080404@spamMEnot_videotron.ca>

The pertitent one is the last. This is the ID of the post to which he was
directly replying. The post with this ID is the one by gp dated:

Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:47:09 -0500

Not a post by you. Your post was the one with the ID:

<pan.2003.01.11....@email.com>

Which, as you can see, is the post immediately before the one Budd was
replying to. So, gp replied to your post, and Budd then replied to gp's
post. If your newsreader is displaying these posts out of order in the
thread then there must be a problem with it. Unless of course you've
killfiled posts by gp?

I assume it must be that you've killfiled gp as I would be loath to
admit that Outlook Express (as used by Budd) could outperform a decent
unix newsreader like Pan ;o)

Budd Cochran

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Jan 12, 2003, 4:29:50 PM1/12/03
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"Richard" <richardn...@lostpilgrim.co.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.01.12.19...@lostpilgrim.co.uk...

> I assume it must be that you've killfiled gp as I would be loath to
> admit that Outlook Express (as used by Budd) could outperform a decent
> unix newsreader like Pan ;o)
>
> Richard

Actually, OE does pretty good in newsgroup post blocking, it's the spam
filtering that sucks the most. Effectively, it's non-existent, hence, the
need for other programs to do it.

Budd


Michael Heiming

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Jan 12, 2003, 4:39:07 PM1/12/03
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Richard <richardn...@lostpilgrim.co.uk> wrote:

> I assume it must be that you've killfiled gp

Not a bad idea.;)

> as I would be loath to
> admit that Outlook Express (as used by Budd) could outperform a decent
> unix newsreader like Pan ;o)

LOL

Peter Karlsson

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Jan 12, 2003, 4:47:49 PM1/12/03
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begin "Budd Cochran" <mr-...@citlink.net> wrote:

> Actually, OE does pretty good in newsgroup post blocking, it's the spam
> filtering that sucks the most. Effectively, it's non-existent, hence, the
> need for other programs to do it.

I've heard that it also has problems with non-existing attachments... :-)


Regards,
Peter
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+Chiron+

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Jan 12, 2003, 7:14:14 PM1/12/03
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Hash: SHA1

<> tempted the fates in alt.os.linux
by rushing in here and proclaiming the following to be true:

> Gp went and saw _dances with volves_ and he was so impressed that
> he also went out, joined the indians, and was given an indian name
> based on what they found most striking about him.
>
> They call him Dances With Head Up Ass.

That would almost be funny if:

1.) I wasn't an Indian.
I suppose you think we all say "Heapum Big Wampum" too, right?

2.) If it wasn't as blatantly ignorant, racist as the comments you're
complaining against.

Get a clue.

- --
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GnuPG Pub Key 848D1A2D -o) ) Jobs
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fast

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Jan 12, 2003, 7:43:42 PM1/12/03
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+Chiron+ wrote:

Touchy are we then eh? STFU for once idiiot.

Erik Ljungström"

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Jan 12, 2003, 8:19:54 PM1/12/03
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On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 16:43:42 +0000, fast wrote:

> Touchy are we then eh? STFU for once idiiot.

Trim your posts, don't quote sigs, and come with constructive and/or
imformative things. I really can't see anything wrong with +Chiron+'s
post, besides the obvious fact that he doesn't agree with you, which of
course is a sin these days, right?

fast

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Jan 12, 2003, 8:26:06 PM1/12/03
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Erik Ljungström" wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 16:43:42 +0000, fast wrote:
>
>> Touchy are we then eh? STFU for once idiiot.
>
> Trim your posts, don't quote sigs, and come with constructive and/or
> imformative things. I really can't see anything wrong with +Chiron+'s
> post, besides the obvious fact that he doesn't agree with you, which of
> course is a sin these days, right?
>

Not a "sin", only altogether wrong when the same individual cries the same
bullshit when the shoe is on someone else's foot.
And BTW, my sig is not "quoted" from any, I have used this same sig for
years now.

Erik Ljungström"

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Jan 12, 2003, 8:45:48 PM1/12/03
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On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:26:06 +0000, fast wrote:
> Erik Ljungström" wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 16:43:42 +0000, fast wrote:
>>> Touchy are we then eh? STFU for once idiiot.
>> Trim your posts, don't quote sigs, and come with constructive and/or
>> imformative things. I really can't see anything wrong with +Chiron+'s
>> post, besides the obvious fact that he doesn't agree with you, which of
>> course is a sin these days, right?
>>
> Not a "sin", only altogether wrong when the same individual cries the same
> bullshit when the shoe is on someone else's foot.

Was that shoe on your foot ?

> And BTW, my sig is not "quoted" from any, I have used this same sig for
> years now.

Now who's touchy? Don't get upset and jump to conclutions here. I was
refering to the fact that you quoted +Chiron+'s signature in your reply.

Let's not take this any further, but if you insists, please send me a
private e-mail, as this has no value what so ever to people in this ng.

Tom B

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Jan 12, 2003, 9:59:45 PM1/12/03
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> That would almost be funny if:

I am an Indian... and I thought it was funny as hell!


Budd Cochran

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Jan 12, 2003, 11:41:33 PM1/12/03
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Pete,

I'm running ME. I can't open the attachment.

"Peter Karlsson" <gijoe...@PANTS.mail.nu> wrote in message
news:9olU9.5631$FF4.3...@newsb.telia.net...


HoboSong

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Jan 13, 2003, 12:50:19 AM1/13/03
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I believe it was Budd Cochran who said...

> Pete,
>
> I'm running ME. I can't open the attachment.

LOL

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Jan 13, 2003, 1:15:09 AM1/13/03
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>>>>http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/images/shots/desktop-danarmak.png

All I can say about the picture is that the desktop would be much nicer
to use at a higher resolution :-)

+Chiron+

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Jan 13, 2003, 2:35:25 AM1/13/03
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

<> tempted the fates in alt.os.linux
by rushing in here and proclaiming the following to be true:

> My apologies for offending you.

Accepted.

> May I assume that you were also offended by the movie _Dances With
> Wolves_?

By the actual _content_ of the film: No.
By how Costner treated Native peoles on the set, paid them, and how he
treated the Lakota peoples *after* the film "made it big": yes.

> I had no idea that a description of the Navive American practice of
> naming someone after observing something about them was "blatantly ignorant"
> or "racist."

You weren't making an observation: You were playing off of a stereotype of
Native peoples, in that Whites portray us as ignorant savages, barely
capable of cognizant speech. Don't try to (pun intentioinal) "white-wash"
over what was (supposed to be) the original comedic content as some sort of
quasi-political supportive statement. It won't work, and you lie badly.

I am not flaming you, ratrher pointing out that you're using racial
stereotyping and bigotry to "insult" someone who's done the same things:
Only with different races.

Don't think that I'm supporting GP, as a simple google search will show you
otherwise when he tried this same shit over in AOSLS.

He and I are most certainly _not_ "chummy".

> Could you explain why, so that I and others can avoid unknowingly causing
> offense in the future?

I'm not going to go into this in depth in here: It's inappropriate.

Let me summarize it by saying that _other_ races do not get to define for a
people what is, and is not offensive. That's still a form of
gentrification to "tell" a people what is, and is not good for them.

> I do not think you all say "Heapum Big Wampum", but that's because
> I assume that you have been in contact with english-spaekers long
> enough to learn english.

Obviously. None of which has anything to do with your "joke" being in bad
taste, or that for this Indian, it was just as offensive as GP's anti-Jew
stance is for Jewish peoples. Again, this is not the place for a political
debate about racial and ethnic 'cleansing'.

> You may not even know your tribal language.

I speak 'enough' of my own tongue.
However, my level of fluency in my people's language *still* has nothing to
do with the content of your message to which I relied. Your comment would
suggest that it would be 'overreacting' for a Black to object to racial
stereotyping because they don't dspeak fluent Somalian. Again, such
thinming is racist in that now you are asking me to "prove" my "Indianness"
in order for me to be justified in objecting to racist behavior.

Sorry - it doesn't work like that.

[snipped further weak attempts at justification]

> Pidgin: "A simplified version of some language, often augmented by
> features from other languages. A pidgin typically arises in colonial
> situations and is used solely as a trade language."

We aren't trading here. This isn't the 1800's.
You ain't Daniel Boone.

Take the criticism like a man: You made a mistake.

Accept it. Learn from it. Become better because of it.

Don't try to justify it with pseudo-arguments and more sterotyping
behaviour.

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Peter T. Breuer

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Jan 13, 2003, 6:16:23 AM1/13/03
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wrote:
> Suo you can pick any random act, call it offensive, and I am supposed
> to apologize? Sorry. I refuse. Explain why it's offensive if you
> wish to convince me.

If you don't understand why it's offensive, try calling a random
irishman "paddy", a random englishman "randolph", a random jew
"moishe", and see how long you live.

Go get a clue.

Peter

Mike-UK

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Jan 13, 2003, 7:48:04 AM1/13/03
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On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Peter T. Breuer posted:

<lurk=off>

Randolf!?! Your point is well made, but I've never met or heard of a
fellow Englishman called Randolf!

Charlie may have been a better stereotype, as we have a Prince Charles,
but typically, English people, or at least non-minority British people,
don't have much of a problem with stereotyping names like this, being the
'dominant' (British) culture and used to thinking they are the rulers of
the world (as most dominant cultures seem to).

I'm not going to go on as this is the wrong NG, so I'll sign off with a
slack-related question...


Where can I get some Slackware related icons for IceWM?
(Ok, its an easy question, but at least I'm now ontopic! :)

<lurk=restart>
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+Chiron+

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Mike-UK tempted the fates in alt.os.linux


by rushing in here and proclaiming the following to be true:

> and used to thinking they are the rulers of the world (as most dominant
> cultures seem to).

Americans have that problem, too. ;)



> Where can I get some Slackware related icons for IceWM?
> (Ok, its an easy question, but at least I'm now ontopic! :)

Well, a bit of searching didn't turn up any Slackware-specific icon packs,
but I did find a small application that creates icons, so that should help you
some. (depending, of course, on how artistically inclined you are.)

Menu Converter for IceWM
http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/~sirtobi/toice/

Specifically:

iceico
http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/~sirtobi/toice/iceico.tgz

'iceico' is a perl script that you can use to convert any existing image
into an IceWM icon. The example provided by the README document is as
follows:

iceico.pl
- ---------
Just call it
./iceico 16 file
or
./iceico 32 file

Also, while I was searching I found these links that you may find
interesting:

Orava's Icon Store
http://www.linux.gr/logos/iconstore/

The word "store" is misleading, since the author explicitly states on site:

"My intention is to put here icons I have collected from Internet or
composed myself. You are encouraged to send your own icons here, and if you
don't have any, make some. If there's some icon you liked to see (to
existing application, or for your own (free) app), please tell, and I'll
try to help. Existing icons also can be reserved for your app, but only if
it's free, and the icon doesn't present existing hardware."

IceWM Icons
http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/iceicons/?topic_id=976%2C924

IceWM Themes
http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/925/?topic_id=925

"Kliin" A nice theme for IceWM
http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/kliin/?topic_id=924%2C925

Stuff for IceWM
http://software.freshmeat.net/search/?q=IceWM&trove_cat_id=924&section=projects&x=10&y=7

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+Chiron+

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<> tempted the fates in alt.os.linux
by rushing in here and proclaiming the following to be true:

> I do not lie, sir,

Correction: You lie badly.
Which, apparently, is only a marginal deterrent.

> and you owe me an apology for saying that I do.

Don't hold your breath.

I suggest that you strongly re-examine your statements to understand
why your "explanations" come across sounding as weak as they do.

Specifically, you might wanna think hard on that bit about determining
other culture's standards, ala the "We are honoring 'Native Americans' by
naming sports teams after sterotypes of them" type-of-thinking.

I don't think you're a bad person, but you've got an odd sense of
'morality' if you think you're blameless in racial profiling.

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Johan Lindquist

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Jan 13, 2003, 2:09:00 PM1/13/03
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On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 at 19:53 GMT, gazing longingly at the horizon,
+Chiron+ <Chiron...@OperaMail.com>
felt a deep, passionate desire to let the following be known:

> <> tempted the fates in alt.os.linux
> by rushing in here and proclaiming the following to be true:

>> I do not lie, sir,
>
> Correction: You lie badly.
> Which, apparently, is only a marginal deterrent.

For someone who received an apology the very first words of the
response to the post where he announced his displeasure, you sure are
one touchy bloke.

Just let it go. Or take it to email.

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+Chiron+

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Johan Lindquist tempted the fates in alt.os.linux


by rushing in here and proclaiming the following to be true:

> For someone who received an apology the very first words of the


> response to the post where he announced his displeasure, you sure are
> one touchy bloke.

An apology means nothing if the offender is not aware, or refuses to
believe/understand what the offense was to begin with.

"I'm sorry" is just two, empty, meaningless words otherwise.

> Just let it go.

It's already ben let go. Why are you hanging onto this thread?

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Peter T. Breuer

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Jan 13, 2003, 3:41:11 PM1/13/03
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??? wrote:

> Peter T. Breuer wrote:
>>If you don't understand why it's offensive, try calling a random
>>irishman "paddy", a random englishman "randolph", a random jew
>>"moishe", and see how long you live.
>>
>>Go get a clue.

> I am not aware of any term that I used that was offensive, given

That's clear. Yet it was. Implication?

> that the induhvidual now residing in my killfile stated that he
> was *not* offended by the movie _Dances with Wolfs_ (which used

The plural of wolf is wolves. This is strange!

> the phrase "Indians",) the fv=cat that others in this thread used
> terms such as "I am an Indian" without being flamed, and the fact

I thought they were! Or at least either an indian or a native american
(my money would have been on the person from india being an indian).

> that parsing plonkbait's objections did not reveal any particular

Who exactly do you mean to refer to by "plonkbait"? Is that another
attempt at imitating or denigrating native american naming customs?

> word that he objected to. Was it my use of "Native American" that

No, I think I was generally offended by your offensiveness.

> offended you? I am just asking for a hint so as too avoid causing
> offense. Your statement above seems to be addressed to some
> imaginary person who used the term "redskin" or some such.

Well, I think you are misremembering. When I called you "rednose" I
wasn't referring to your racial origins, just to the well documented
tendency of certain racial types not to be able to stay out in the sun
for more than a few minutes at a time without turning into a salamander.
That's not a racial slur.

Peter

Peter T. Breuer

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wrote:


> +Chiron+ wrote:

>>> I do not lie, sir,
>>
>>Correction: You lie badly.

> I deleted the rest of your post unread. I have no use for
> anyone who substitutes ad hominem attacks for rational discourse.

Your offensivness was plain for all to see. Please stop pretending. I
also found your vain rationalizations and dissimulations offensive. You're
a congenital liar, and probably unable to recognize the truth when it
hits you. Please add me to your killfile.

> *plonk*

Peter

Peter T. Breuer

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wrote:

>>For someone who received an apology the very first words of the
>>response to the post where he announced his displeasure, you sure are
>>one touchy bloke.

> He is also unable to articulate what it was that offended him

He articulated it perfectly. You used a race stereotype to
insult him with. do you have some problem understanding this?

If so, you will be hit in the mouth rather frequently in the real
world. At least, I hope so.

> Oh well. That's why we have killfiles.

Indeed. Wellcome to mine.

Peter

Johan Lindquist

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On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 at 20:31 GMT, gazing longingly at the horizon,

+Chiron+ <Chiron...@OperaMail.com>
felt a deep, passionate desire to let the following be known:

[..]

>> Just let it go.
>
> It's already ben let go. Why are you hanging onto this thread?

I responded /once/ to kindly ask you to stop it, having seen no
message that would indicate you had. It seems you are out to argue,
no matter what, so please ignore my attempt to dampen the flames.

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Mike-UK

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On 13 Jan 2003, +Chiron+ posted:

Much appreciated!

+Chiron+

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Mike-UK tempted the fates in alt.os.linux
by rushing in here and proclaiming the following to be true:

> Much appreciated!

1.) Trim your posts, please.

2.) You're very much welcome. I learned something new in the process that
if I ever want to be bombarded by icons in *nix, IceWm is certainly a valid
option. ;)

All those little pictures made me itchy. =)

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Mike-UK

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On 15 Jan 2003, +Chiron+ posted:

> > Much appreciated!
>
> 1.) Trim your posts, please.

Opps! Still arguing with Pine over alt editors!

> 2.) You're very much welcome. I learned something new in the process that
> if I ever want to be bombarded by icons in *nix, IceWm is certainly a valid
> option. ;)
>
> All those little pictures made me itchy. =)

I prefer simpler blobs and squares of various colours. Pickies don't tend
to scale very well on a toolbar.

Just a thought, no argument sought, but if folks put less repeated stuff
in their posts there would be less to trim?

I saw a post once that just had a URL to the stuff others put in every
post. It's a thought?

Bob Sarenstam

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Jan 18, 2003, 12:38:03 PM1/18/03
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hmm...i see your are quite a nice guy...so everbody in your universe is
stupid or moron...well, it's nice to know who are serious and who are not

its a fantastic attitude...really

Erik Ljungström wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:55:18 +0000, gp wrote:
>
>
>>I had high hopes for Gentoo. Then, there was this picture:
>>
>>http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/images/shots/desktop-danarmak.png
>>
>
>
> Wow, I have never ever appreciated my killfile this much!
> Congratulations btw, you have just embarassed yourself and everything that
> you stand for in front of thousands of ppl. Great!
> Moron...
>

Jason

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Jan 18, 2003, 8:01:50 PM1/18/03
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* Bob Sarenstam <bob.sa...@telia.com>:

Damn, I missed the OP showing thier stupidity. Guess miss isn't really
the correct word though. Wonder how they were smart enough to actually
get a computer and get it on the internet with that attitude.

Jason

Miller

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+Chiron+ got scary with:

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>

> Bill Unruh tempted the fates in alt.os.linux


> by rushing in here and proclaiming the following to be true:
>

>> penguin with a Palestinian flag or Kalashnikov, or even a Canadian flag.
>
> Hey now-
> I wouldn't go that far with this huggy-feely crap.
>
> After all , it *was* a Canadian that started all of this. ;) [0]
>
> [0] Next thing you know, we'll all be saying 'aboot'. [1]
> [1] I'm kidding, of course. I'm 1/2 French-Canadian. [2]
> [2] But I don't admit it in public [3]
> [3] Oops.
>
> - --
> +Chiron+ ( Fortune's real live weird band names #748:
> GnuPG Pub Key 848D1A2D -o) ) Vic Morrow's Head


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My, O my the debate goes on...
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Patrick

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"Tom B" <mamen...@STOPSPAM.qwest.net> 撰寫於郵件
news:BQpU9.325$G1.1...@news.uswest.net...

+Chiron+

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Patrick tempted the fates in alt.os.linux


by rushing in here and proclaiming the following to be true:

[your response should have been here]

Hit 'return' a bit early, did we? =)

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Tom B

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> [your response should have been here]

> Hit 'return' a bit early, did we? =)


LOL!!!!

Tom B
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