The End??
Jessica
Satan
"Jessica" <jpaq...@quickclic.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/worldtrade.crash/index.html
>
>
Kevin Filan
"Jessica" <jpaq...@quickclic.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/worldtrade.crash/index.html
At a little after 9 this morning a guy sitting next to me on the subway said
something about an airplane striking the World Trade Center. At the Bowling
Green stop, the last stop in Manhattan, a whole bunch of crying and wide
eyed people got on the train to Brooklyn. It was then that I heard about
the incident.
I just spoke to Kathy and she's all right; she was one of the last wave of
people who made it out of Manhattan, not long after I did. So we're all
right.
Anybody who can, please donate blood. We're going to need it in New York.
Peace
Kevin Filan
(who has absolutely nothing funny to say right now)
Harry Lime
that post here are safe and sound. Likewise, it's my hope that the US
government finds those responsible and executes swift justice.
Regards,
Harry Lime
http://www.harrylimetv.com
Freedom Warrior
ccn.
Day of terror in N.Y., Washington
Address:http://www.msnbc.com/news/627028.asp
It seems that someone in airport security (the FAA) screwed up and
let someone that is a terrorist pass through the sterile area to get on
the plane. Then the hijacked plane somehow crashed into the World Trade
buildings in NY. I see that flying the skies is no longer friendly.
From now on I'm traveling by boat.
Visit My Webpage:
http://www.geocities.com/freedomwarrior5000
- wolf -
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> These acts are absolutely horrific and cowardly. I hope that all the
people
> that post here are safe and sound. Likewise, it's my hope that the US
> government finds those responsible and executes swift justice.
Actually, I'm considering the possibility that Israel might be behind it,
not the Palestenian(?) group that has taken responsibility. Think about it:
if a Palestenian group takes responsibility for a very well-coordinated
attack (which, incidentally, is unusual for terrorist actions by anyone but
Israel or the US), it's quite likely that the US will be more inclined to
support Israel against the Palestenians than until now. It would be the
classical strategy of defiling one's own monuments claiming that the enemy
did it.
In any event, it's kind of refreshing to see the US now being involved in a
war on its own continent.
- wolf -
xganon
Nobody wants your aids infested blood! And with that said...
Shut-up, you stupid, limp dick, faggot. Nobody gave you permission to speak.
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- wolf - wrote:
> "Harry Lime" <the3rd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3B9E3556...@hotmail.com...
> > These acts are absolutely horrific and cowardly. I hope that all the
> people
> > that post here are safe and sound. Likewise, it's my hope that the US
> > government finds those responsible and executes swift justice.
>
> Actually, I'm considering the possibility that Israel might be behind it,
> not the Palestenian(?) group that has taken responsibility. Think about it:
> if a Palestenian group takes responsibility for a very well-coordinated
> attack (which, incidentally, is unusual for terrorist actions by anyone but
> Israel or the US), it's quite likely that the US will be more inclined to
> support Israel against the Palestenians than until now.
Gees, - wolf - you've been reading/believing some of the LaRouche material too?
While I'm no fan of the Isreal, I can't imagine they'd be that stupid. Think
about it for a moment: If this were found to be valid, I'm positive the US
would at the very least end all foreign aid and military support. I'm sure you'd
agree with me that without the money and the military assistance, Isreal
wouldn't last too long without resorting to methods no one would like to
consider, particularly the Palestinians.
> It would be the
> classical strategy of defiling one's own monuments claiming that the enemy
> did it.
It would also be political suicide for the Isrealis. One thing I can say about
Jews, they're very pragmatic.
> In any event, it's kind of refreshing to see the US now being involved in a
> war on its own continent.
Let me assure you that it won't be on this continent for very long in the scheme
of things. While I'm no fan of Bush, his less than dovish background nessitates
that a swift and severe military response. I'm sure in the next couple of hours
that our congress here would consider this an act of war and take the
appropriate steps. This is a wakeup call for the US. It eludes me as to why
you find this "refreshing."
Good Luck,
Harry Lime
http://www.harrylimetv.com
>
>
> - wolf -
Jason Yuschenko
It has been evacuated, as has Somerset
where one of the planes went down.
Jason Yuschenko
- wolf -
> Gees, - wolf - you've been reading/believing some of the LaRouche material
too?
Nope. However, I'm open to alternatives to the obvious witchhunt mentality
we're already seeing against the Arab countries.
> While I'm no fan of the Isreal, I can't imagine they'd be that stupid.
Think
> about it for a moment: If this were found to be valid, I'm positive the
US
> would at the very least end all foreign aid and military support. I'm sure
you'd
> agree with me that without the money and the military assistance, Isreal
> wouldn't last too long without resorting to methods no one would like to
> consider, particularly the Palestinians.
Certainly, but the keyword is IF.
> Let me assure you that it won't be on this continent for very long in the
scheme
> of things. While I'm no fan of Bush, his less than dovish background
nessitates
> that a swift and severe military response. I'm sure in the next couple of
hours
> that our congress here would consider this an act of war and take the
> appropriate steps. This is a wakeup call for the US. It eludes me as to
why
> you find this "refreshing."
The US got a reminder that it's not invulnerable even on its own territory,
and a badly needed reminder in my opinion. That's what I find refreshing.
- wolf -
Jason Yuschenko
"- wolf -" <wo...@blazingangles-nospam.com> wrote in message
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Anyone who sees innocent people losing their lives "refreshing" is simply a
coward.
I've been speaking and demonstrating against American foreign policy for
years, including a prediction something like this would happen.
It's hardly "refreshing" and some chickenshit sociopath hiding behind a
computer in Denmark has no business talking.
Ole Wolf is killfiled, any who do not disassociate themselves from him will
be also.
I will be in touch with the US Attorney when things settle down. We will be
discussing hate groups online.
The choice is yours.
Jason Yuschenko
RonJuan...@cotse.com
Now get ready for Wolfy to do the backpedal shuffle.
GUlLLOTlNA
I see:
Harry:>> Gees, - wolf - you've been reading/believing some of the LaRouche
material too?>>
wolf? :>> Nope. However, I'm open to alternatives to the obvious witchhunt
mentality we're already seeing against the Arab countries.>>
OH, PLEASE! "Witchhunt"?!
Harry:?<< While I'm no fan of the Isreal, I can't imagine they'd be that
stupid.>>
(This thread is not yet appearing on Google, or I'd have made an exception and
pulled his (wolf's) post up. Hence the question marks.)
Let me get this straight: wolf's postulating these attacks might be the work of
Isreal?!
::shout of derisive laughter:: Hey, why not blame the IRA too? You never
know.... how about Peta? or Greenpeace? Anybody but those nice slaves of
Islam...."witchhunt." You have to laugh!
Jason: << Anyone who sees innocent people losing their lives "refreshing" is
simply a coward.>>
[snip rest of Jason's pithy remarks.]
Think about it this way: perhaps these mad dogs will branch out their
operations to include Denmark. Then he can have a chance to rethink his
"witchhunt" POV. Its all nice and cozy when its 3000 miles away....
On another note I am delighted to hear that you, Kevin and Kathy are okay,
Jason.
L.
Victor Le Nettoyeur
>Actually, I'm considering the possibility that Israel might be behind
>it, not the Palestenian(?) group that has taken responsibility.
That makes sense *rolls eyes*. You really are a kook.
>In any event, it's kind of refreshing to see the US now being involved
>in a war on its own continent.
I have an amazing amount of your comrades in /dev/null. I suppose
it's fitting that you will now be joining them. *plonk*
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That's nice, Victor.
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Blackjack
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> In any event, it's kind of refreshing to see the US now being involved in
a
> war on its own continent.
Ironic, isn't it?
As the various events of today were unfolding, I distinctly remember
thinking "You know, I'll bet when I go home, that Danish nancy boy is going
to cackling with glee about what a joy it is that America got hit". Shucks,
the son-of-a-bitch didn't disappoint. I could go on about how pathetic and
sad it is that an individual could be that predictable, but that is a topic
for another day.
In fact, I would say that unquestionably, America stands as the #1
criticized country in the entire world. Do we ever deserve it? Sometimes,
we do. Personally, if a non-American raises an issue with me about how
America does something wrong, and I agree with it, I will say so. What
irritates me are the "America is the fault of everything" crowd. I've
noticed this tendency among a lot of brooding, mopey, pseudo-intellectual,
"nobody wants to sit next me at parties" Europeans. Sorry, Ole, I'm sure
that one hits close to home.
With all of these faults in mind, one facts never changes. America is the
best country in the world at blowing shit up and breaking things. That is
why it often amuses me to see all of these whiners from around the world
standing there, poking at America with little sticks. Along with that point
comes an important second point. The second point is that throughout
America's history, we've never really been pissed off. WWII -- No.
Vietnam -- No. Desert Storm -- No. Sure, we blew some shit up, but as a
nation, we were never really pissed off and full of fire.
So, to my favorite Danish pinhead, I want to pose a simple question. Do you
really, in your heart, want to see what happens when America is pissed off?
Think about what would happen if Denmark got a wild hair and pissed America
off. The US has the ability to flatten your entire country starting at
10:00 AM and still have time to catch a Happy Meal for lunch. What are you
going to do when the bombs drop, Ole? Shield yourself with one of your
dissertations? Try to defuse a 200 ton bomb with biting sarcasm? Of
course, that will never happen. So, keep poking away with your stick.
I have never seen my country in a state of bloodlust. Honestly, I hope I
never do. But, I think I am about to see the closest version of it during
my lifetime. Bin Laden poked with his stick just a little too hard. Sucks
to be him. And, Ole, you depressing, whining, piece of Scandinavian shit,
it really, truly sucks to be you.
-- Blackjack
PowerSurge
America, or at least what is left of it. FREE SPEECH? Does that ring a
bell? DUH.
"Jason Yuschenko" <yusc...@bankova.gov> wrote in message
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Jason Yuschenko
Thanks, Lisa.
It's been a horrendous day. We got an announcement on the PA. Outside, there
was a procession of ambulances going to Somerset.
I was essentially the last person on the last bus going to my apt.
I'm glad Kevin et all are ok, still trying to get in touch with someone in
Manhattan.
The whole city shut down here, apparently the plane that crashed near here
was heading for the city.
Jason Yuschenko
Victor Le Nettoyeur
I do wish I had seen your responses before I mouthed off. You elucidated a
much more reasonable response than I. I am used to various nutty ideas
being expressed on this group, but my opinion of a few people here has
fallen to a new low.
I have also been quite critical of U.S. foreign policy also. That doesn't
make the current events any less disturbing than our bombing of Serbia or
Iraq. I am quite disgusted today.
I join Lisa in being grateful for your well-being, as well as that of
Kevin, Kathy and the rest of the survivors of the assorted attacks. Let's
not forget our fallen friends and loved ones.
Lex Talonis!!
xganon
>it really, truly sucks to be you.
Why don't you go suck a dick satan boy?! And with that said....
Shut-up, you piece of CoS shit. Nobody gave you permission to speak.
Blackjack
*In my best "The Rock" voice* "It doesn't matter what you wrote, jabroni!"
It doesn't matter because I just wanted to say I'm glad you're OK. Kevin
and Diane, too. Jacqueline, give us a shout-out when you get a chance.
-- Blackjack
Jason Yuschenko
Luckily here, it was just the threat of another suicide bomb. It must have
been hell in NYC and DC. (plus all the lives lost/injuries)
Jason Y
Jason Yuschenko
Yeah, I'm amazed at the extent of some people's pent up anger .... It was
not an amusing day at all. People who support terrorists are simply cowards,
I've lost respect for certain parties as well.
The early reports after the plane crashed near here ..... as many as 11
planes hijacked (turned out false) It was unknown if Pitt itself was the
target of that plane.
I had suspected this day would come ... and it may well be linked to foreign
operations.
I agree, it is still disguisting.
Jason Y
Jacqueline Davis
My city is completely shut down also. (I'm only about 4 hours from Jason.)
I'm very happy to hear that Kevin and Kathy were able to get out of Manhattan;
and I'm very happy that Jason is ok. For anyone that knows him, I have
contacted Sabbra, and though he is a bit shaken, he is ok also.
To you idiot anon posters, fuck off.
To -wolf-, you sniveling, self-important, self-righteous coward..."Refreshing"?
-Thousands- of innocent people died today, Ole, for no other reason other than
some as yet unknown madman decided they should. I wonder...would you find it
"refreshing" if this had happened in Denmark? Who the hell are you to
comment, anyway? As I recall, you fled the U.S. because you couldn't get along
with your boss, so you have absolutely nothing to say on this tragic subject.
I used to have a great deal of respect for you, Ole, but said respect has
slowly eroded over the last several months. With your inane comments today on
this situation, said respect died quickly and permanently. I join Jason - you
are killfiled.
To everyone, please donate blood if you can. New York City is going to need
it. The toll-free number for the Red Cross is 800/448-3543 to get more
information.
--Jacqueline Davis
Blackjack
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> It doesn't matter because I just wanted to say I'm glad you're OK. Kevin
> and Diane, too. Jacqueline, give us a shout-out when you get a chance.
Kevin and Diane...yeah
*Takes a minute to slap the shit out of himself*
Kathy, I apologize. With all that you went through today, you didn't need
that as well.
-- Blackjack
"Approximately the 8th sharpest knife in the drawer"
xganon
>To you idiot anon posters, fuck off.
You pretentious little bitch! You killed your husband and had no problem with that but here you are weeping over rank strangers! Fuck you cunt! And with that said...
Shut-up Black Widow, Nobody gave you permission to speak.
Rocío Carrasco
I am very sorry for what happened to your town.
Rocio
Jacqueline Davis
to do is to talk about your cat's new tooth; to attempt to insult me with what
everyone knows is a slanderous lie; and to feebly try to imitate Kevin, one of
your betters.
Fucking dolt.
-JD
- wolf -
Try and put this all a bit into perspective instead of being so religious
about the country your ancestors stole by murdering millions of native
Americans. We have Kevin Filan and various CoS people making plenty of
jokes about six million Jews slaughtered on this newsgroup, but when human
terror moves into their neighborhoods they stick their tails between their
legs and run. Now watch them crying when might becomes right. Let's play
some of Gidney's Auswitsch Dancer music while we watch the World Trade
Center crumble, shall we?
> Anyone who sees innocent people losing their lives "refreshing" is simply
a
> coward.
The fact that the US is not invulnerable is refreshing. I'm sorry for the
people that lost relatives, certainly. Politically speaking, it's a wake-up
call to the US in more than one way, however.
> I've been speaking and demonstrating against American foreign policy for
> years, including a prediction something like this would happen.
>
> It's hardly "refreshing" and some chickenshit sociopath hiding behind a
> computer in Denmark has no business talking.
What's a measly couple of thousand lives in NYC compared to the disasters in
other countries that we never hear commented in but thirty seconds in the
daily news on TV? It's nothing. The only reason this became a big issue
was because it happened in the Sacred U S of A. The US doesn't give a fuck
if thousands of Indian people die in floodings even if the US is capable of
saving plenty of them. Perhaps it's time the US realizes that some of us
care just about as much about the US as the US cares about other people.
The US is the country that started a war over oil some ten years ago,
remember?
> Ole Wolf is killfiled, any who do not disassociate themselves from him
will
> be also.
Just think of the loss: you won't have Jason Yuschenko reading your posts
anymore. The World Trade Center terror act pales in comparison.
> I will be in touch with the US Attorney when things settle down. We will
be
> discussing hate groups online.
>
> The choice is yours.
I think the term you Americans use is, "so sue me."
NOW do you see my point? Someone said that while each death is a tragedy, a
million deaths is statistics. Empathy is the capability of seeing *both* at
the same time.
- wolf -
Jason Yuschenko
Glad you're all ok.
I'll try and donate some blood in the morning, no transport til then.
(left car in Cali).
Jason Y
Circe
Thanks -wolf- that was well said and "oh so true!" Gee now all we need is a
bunch of foreigners coming here to grace us with their much "un-needed" new
agey culture crap! Yeah, Open your borders and smile real big America!
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Look you little bitch, if you think Circe is the only one on this NG that hates you and your CoS waffenSS buddies,and finds your hypocrtical woe-me airs contemptable you are sorely wrong! Before you start wagging your tongue and accuseing people you make damn sure you have proof cunt! Plenty of people hate you and rightfully so. Suicide is always an option for people like you! And with that said...
Shut-up, Black Widow. Nobody gave you permission to speak.
Circe
"Jacqueline Davis" <jacque...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> My city is completely shut down also.
Too bad they didn't shut your big gaping pie- hole down too you ignorant
redneck! Got proof? Shut-up twitling, nobody gave you permission to speak.
Die!
Circe
"xganon" <nob...@xganon.com> wrote in message
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> > Oh, shut up, nancy.
>
> Look you little bitch, if you think Circe is the only one on this NG that
hates you and your CoS waffenSS buddies,and finds your hypocrtical woe-me
airs contemptable you are sorely wrong! Before you start wagging your tongue
and accuseing people you make damn sure you have proof cunt! Plenty of
people hate you and rightfully so. Suicide is always an option for people
like you! And with that said...
>
> Shut-up, Black Widow. Nobody gave you permission to speak.
HaHa! Thanks! Well said.
Satan
A little harsh, aren't ya'?
natas
"Circe" <Ci...@hell.com> wrote in message
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Circe
"Satan" <homeo...@home.com> wrote in message
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> God damn circe!
>
> A little harsh, aren't ya'?
>
interested, and they aren't mine.
People's Commissar
I thought you were PRO Israel - since you were there and saw what shit the
Palestinians were first hand, up close.
I predicted this. I posted it! 1. a terrorist attack. 2. excuse to
declare martial law. 3. blame the Moslems (even if they did not do it - no
matter) 4. excuse to round up anyone suspicious. 4. close all means of
communication - like the internet.
Consider one thing - QUI BONO from this. It may have been an inside job -
and if it was? Then what? We won't know about it. Last I heard, NO
Moslem group is taking credit. They always do when they've done it.
TJ
"- wolf -" <wo...@blazingangles-nospam.com> wrote in message
> - wolf -
>
>
>
Kathy Latzoni
<Blac...@radiofreesatan.com> =====
S'okay. <:)
If I were Diane, I would have been teaching at a nice peaceful public
school in northern Queens this morning, and then I wouldn't have had a
4-hour walk home.
I hope she and Nathan are getting a little R&R tonight; it was a rough
day for anyone who lives in NYC.
Yrs,
Kathy L.
Sir Davey
> Try and put this all a bit into perspective instead of being so religious
> about the country your ancestors stole by murdering millions of native
> Americans. We have Kevin Filan and various CoS people making plenty of
> jokes about six million Jews slaughtered on this newsgroup, but when human
> terror moves into their neighborhoods they stick their tails between their
> legs and run. Now watch them crying when might becomes right. Let's play
> some of Gidney's Auswitsch Dancer music while we watch the World Trade
> Center crumble, shall we?
>
Yes, let us put this into perspective, shall we? I'll try to talk
slowly...you've more than amply demonstrated that you are a total sociopath,
but maybe the use of small words will help hammer the obvious into your
skull.
America was not "stolen" from natives. That was a stand-up fight. An enemy
that could be seen and struck out at.
This was an act of terrorism. Some spineless sacks of shit who decided to
kill thousands of innocents without any warning, or giving them any chance
to escape. No honour. Just cowardice - discarded pieces of feces
splattered from the collective toilet bowl of whatever shithole they came
from who trembled too much at the thought of fighting an enemy who could
fight back - so they struck that enemy while it was sleeping. They struck
civilians. Innocents. Is this getting drummed into that little neanderthal
brain of yours? Or do I need to simplify it even more?
> What's a measly couple of thousand lives in NYC compared to the disasters
in
> other countries that we never hear commented in but thirty seconds in the
> daily news on TV? It's nothing. The only reason this became a big issue
> was because it happened in the Sacred U S of A. The US doesn't give a
fuck
> if thousands of Indian people die in floodings even if the US is capable
of
> saving plenty of them. Perhaps it's time the US realizes that some of us
> care just about as much about the US as the US cares about other people.
You are comparing apples and oranges. Let me see if I can break this down
into simpler terms, since you apparently have trouble grasping at the
ever-so-obvious straws of that which we with a grip on life like to call
"reality":
Natural disasters are just that...natural disasters. Nobody has control
over them. And quite simply put, of course little news coverage is given to
a natural disaster that happens half a world away. Why would a news company
do otherwise? You don't rail against national news services for not
covering the high school beauty contests in Shitsville, Idaho, do you? Of
course not. Why?
Because it's not relevant to the nation. What does the U.S. public care if
a couple hundred people in India died in a flood? How does that affect the
average citizen on the street? Simple answer: it doesn't.
Now, I'm going to go out on a limb here, and have you try to envision a
scenario. I know this will be hard for you, but try to set your sociopathy
aside for a moment and do this.
Put yourself in the shoes of a citizen of the United States, living in New
York city. Something like this happens. Where might your priorities lie,
in a couple hundred Indians who might have died in some kind of flood half a
world away, or in the fact that your entire fucking world is literally
falling apart around you?
Just as a general matter of interest - I'm not American. I'm Canadian. And
do you know what? Yes, I do give a damn what happened today. The cowardice
displayed in these acts of terrorism is something which speaks loud and
clear to any whose heart knows the meaning of honour. And it cries out for
vengeance.
Hail, the survivors of such a travesty!
Hail, justice!
Hail, honour!
Hail, Satan!
D.
xganon
>slowly...
Shut-up,little pecker head sheeplet. Nobody gave you permission to spek.
People's Commissar
The so-called "Palestinians" in particular have been a particularly bad pain
in the damned ass with regard to the fact that they were PAID for that
fucking land ages ago - and paid well. It was a damned desert. So when the
Jews build it up, now they want it back? FUCK that! I believe you know
this - you were in Israel. You saw. Israelis were great, Palestinians were
whining wrecking scums. It's the Arabs themselves that will NOT let them
out of those settlements and into their OWN countries.
American industry built the oil wells, technology, etc. The Saudis decided
to nationalise it and the builder nation, totally capable of ignoring that
shit, did NOTHING. Now they sell the shit - the little oil gods.
Thus far, NO Islamic group has taken credit for this attack - and they WOULD
if they did it - and be hailed as Saints in all of Islam.
We aren't safe here? Hello? The USA could nuke the entire planet with a
button or two. We DO NOT know who did this - not yet. I say we should ask
qui bono because therein is the answer. What benefit would Islamics have in
provoking the USA to nuke them? Or is it that they KNOW that the USA won't
do that? Ha! No Islamic group has claimed this attack.
There is the hitch. The USA is so damned worried about what OTHERS will
think of them if they did that. Say what? The world HATES the USA. The EU
HATES the USA. I don't EXPECT sympathy from any EU nation, ANY Islamic
nation, hell, ANY nation period, including Denmark.
If this country finds out who did it - well, this ain't no liberal here, I'd
go in there and wipe them off the face of the planet and then TAKE what's
there. Period. I'd have done that regarding the oil ages ago - FUCK their
nationalization. The USA and USA money BUILT that technology there. ALL of
it. Those people are not the types of people that treat "kindness" with
kindness in turn. FUCK no. They see kindness as doormat, kind people as
wimps that can be walked on - and they have WALKED their fair share. They
have a very strong macho ethic.
Why do you hate the USA so much all of a sudden? You used to want to live
here. One experience got you disillusioned? You know - as you know cause
we talked, that whole fiasco could have gone another way had you understood
yin and stayed wholly within your own Boundaries.
TJ
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Phyllis the bag lady wrote:
>
> Ole,
People's Commissar
When we (USA) find out who did it (provided it WAS some other country.....)
we should wipe them off the map of planet earth. I doubt the USA will do
this. Too concerned about public opinion. They'll end up doing something
tippy toe which will only make the world hate us more.
Fact is, I expect NO sympathy from any European or non-American country.
They hate us, Davey. They might come to respect us IF we "got even" with
whoever did it THOROUGHLY. If not respect, they'd fear us. Also it's not
so easy these days to just go nuke someone. Others also have nukes.
We shall see. Oh, and fyi - our org has members, lots now, from all over
the world. NO ONE regulates opinion. One only has to agree with 10
statements to join. Whether or not I get into a debate on here with our own
members is irrelevant (it has happened). We are NOT a dictatorship - OR a
hierarchy.
EG, Yehudi - he is JTF member. Nothing in the JTF or his opinions goes
against the 10 statements. I have no "duty" to say boo to him for what he
posts here from the JTF org - or what he feels as a militant Latino Jew.
(Sephardim).
Others are getting information from other country's news agencies. It is
good to get information, no?
People's Commissar
To the smaller nations that launch such attacks, they are freedom fighters.
Who give a flying fuck what you LABEL them, you got damned fucking moron.
Now, FACTS - the terrorists were people wo LIVED IN AMERICA, held knives,
not guns, they had no guns. They spoke English perfectly and NO ONE thought
they were any different from anyone else.
NOW, let's see who they were. EH? You righteous little fucker.
NO, I don't expect ANY non-American nation to have sympathy. DO YOU? You
god damned cowardly moron. Who is this, Egan? One of Egan's shitheads?
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Les Masters
Forgetting our affiliations and remembering that we are both citizens in
the most powerful country in the world, I am actually glad you and Kathy are
safe. As Americans Tim and myself feel that we owe it to our fellow Americans to
donate our blood. If we were in New York, I assure you, we would both join in
the efforts to find survivors.
As cowards posting unnamed will show themselves to be the idiots that they
are, I hope many others will join in my effort to ignore them. We are Americans
and should not waste our pride or loyalty on human waste as themselves.
Tonight is the night that Americans live in fear. We have once again been
striped of our feeling of being safe and secure. We fear at sending our children
to school. We fear for our love ones with state or federal jobs. We fear to take
a plane or a mass transit system. Yet, we are not used to living in fear.
I will show sympathy for the passengers, the workers, the firemen and
police, who lost thier lives by the hands of these filthy monsters. I hope that
our President George Bush will keep his promise to see to it that bastards and
those who harbor them are found and punished. I only advocate torture in certain
cases. This is one of them.
Kevin, I ask that you ignore the trolls and keep the rest of us updated on
the injury that our great country is suffering.
Thank You,
Les
Kevin Filan wrote:
> "Jessica" <jpaq...@quickclic.net> wrote in message
> news:9nl82l$2uf$1...@news1.mountaincable.net...
> > http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/worldtrade.crash/index.html
>
> At a little after 9 this morning a guy sitting next to me on the subway said
> something about an airplane striking the World Trade Center. At the Bowling
> Green stop, the last stop in Manhattan, a whole bunch of crying and wide
> eyed people got on the train to Brooklyn. It was then that I heard about
> the incident.
>
> I just spoke to Kathy and she's all right; she was one of the last wave of
> people who made it out of Manhattan, not long after I did. So we're all
> right.
>
> Anybody who can, please donate blood. We're going to need it in New York.
>
> Peace
> Kevin Filan
> (who has absolutely nothing funny to say right now)
Mr. Scratch
> I just spoke to Kathy and she's all right; she was one of the last wave of
> people who made it out of Manhattan, not long after I did. So we're all
> right.
Kevin,
I'm relieved to hear you and Kathy are okay.
I'm quite stunned by the things I've seen on the teevee today. It must
have been a nightmare being on the ground level.
Ah, well, I suppose this post is nothing more than a kind of modified "me
too" post, given the unusual outporings of sympathy I've seen on this
newsgroup (Ol' Wolf, who's slipped a bit further off his nut, excepted of
course).
I hope our country has the resolve to withstand the new environment it is
going to have to face in the coming tomorrow, both on the international
scene, and in the face of the sweeping anti-terrorist legislation we are
going to adopt as a result of this disaster. We're all going to need all
the luck we can muster in order to straddle the delicate balance between
being a country that is rigorous and thorough in its rooting out of
terrorists, and becoming a monster as terrible as our foes.
> Peace
> Kevin Filan
Mr. Scratch
- wolf -
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> Ole,
>
> The so-called "Palestinians" in particular have been a particularly bad
pain
> in the damned ass with regard to the fact that they were PAID for that
> fucking land ages ago - and paid well. It was a damned desert. So when
the
> Jews build it up, now they want it back? FUCK that! I believe you know
> this - you were in Israel. You saw. Israelis were great, Palestinians
were
> whining wrecking scums. It's the Arabs themselves that will NOT let them
> out of those settlements and into their OWN countries.
Yup. The PLO is paying "refugees" to stay in the refugee camps while the
Israeli have provided apartments for them. I'm still pro Israel, but that
doesn't mean I support the US. I'm noting the fact that seen from a
military perspective, it was a very successful operation. Now we're seeing
people on this newsgroup wailing about "dishonorable acts," but the fact
remains it was pulled off. I'm looking at what happened, not the morals of
the action. And for everyone that screams "sociopath," I'd like to note
also that being capable of seeing it from the terrorists' perspective isn't
indicative of sociopathy.
I'm also wondering who did it. The Palestenians don't stand to gain
anything from the attack, and neither do other Arab countries. That's what
makes me think perhaps Israel might be behind it, or perhaps countries that
would like to see rival competitors get into a fight. (China, anyone?)
It seems less likely that the weapon industry might be behind it, as they
don't tend to commit suicide bombings and such.
> Why do you hate the USA so much all of a sudden? You used to want to live
> here. One experience got you disillusioned? You know - as you know cause
> we talked, that whole fiasco could have gone another way had you
understood
> yin and stayed wholly within your own Boundaries.
Yes, I'd have kept the job and a LOW SALARY. I didn't leave because of my
job as apparently the Gilmores told Jacqueline, possibly through Kevin. I
moved from the US for reasons such as the fact that Danish engineers have a
trade union, longer vacations, better employee benefits, etc.
- wolf -
Kevin Filan
> Yup. The PLO is paying "refugees" to stay in the refugee camps while the
> Israeli have provided apartments for them. I'm still pro Israel, but that
> doesn't mean I support the US. I'm noting the fact that seen from a
> military perspective, it was a very successful operation. Now we're
seeing
> people on this newsgroup wailing about "dishonorable acts," but the fact
> remains it was pulled off. I'm looking at what happened, not the morals
of
> the action.
Looking at what happened, I'm astonished at the sophistication and skill
they showed. They were careful to hijack planes right after they took off,
so that they'd be loaded with fuel when they hit their targets. They timed
the second plane so that many cameras would be on the World Trade Center
when it hit; they obviously had access to flight schedules and pulled this
one off flawlessly.
Whoever was behind this one deserves credit for planning and execution, if
nothing else.
Peace
Kevin Filan
- wolf -
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> "- wolf -" <wo...@blazingangles-nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:3b9ee784$0$256$edfa...@dspool01.news.tele.dk...
>
> they showed. They were careful to hijack planes right after they took
off,
> so that they'd be loaded with fuel when they hit their targets. They
timed
> the second plane so that many cameras would be on the World Trade Center
> when it hit; they obviously had access to flight schedules and pulled this
> one off flawlessly.
>
> Whoever was behind this one deserves credit for planning and execution, if
> nothing else.
Exactly, and that was one of my points. It's a war. People get killed.
They're fighting a war, and thus far they're successful. The "stand up and
fight where I can see you" mentality that seems to be proposed by various
posters on this newsgroup is plain suicide to the terrorists/freedom
fighters. There are a few rules of war, two of which are: (1) if you want
to win a war, you don't play by the opponent's rules, and (2) if you can't
cope with the thought that your opponent makes a successful move, you're in
trouble, because being emotionally upset is bad for one's strategic skills.
You can kill a person looking him in his eyes, or you can stab him in the
back. The former is perhaps honorable according to some traditions, but the
latter is safer, and the result is the same. And the US isn't known for
being a fair fighter anyway. The napalm bombing of civilians in Vietnam and
the nuclear explosion in Hiroshima took more innocent lives than the WTC
incident, to name a few examples.
I'm just hoping the US won't overreact on this. It's going to be
interesting to see if the US will now be less condemning of Israel when
Israel retaliates terrorist actions now that the US has been a target.
- wolf -
xganon
Stop discribing your dates with your men friends Filan. We really don't need the details. And with that said....
Shut-up you stupid, limp dick, faggot. Nobody gave you permission to speak.
Circe
> Americans. We have Kevin Filan and various CoS people making plenty of
> jokes about six million Jews slaughtered on this newsgroup,
Speaking of which, did you get the pic of Gilmore sporting his neo-nazi
arm-band on the same page as the Rice and Nagy neo-nazi photos?
Mr. Faust
Kevin,
My wife and I just had this discussion. The actual planning wouldn't
be all that difficult.
1) Planes going cross country would obviously have the most fuel.
2) When you buy tickets, you have a pretty good idea of where the
plane is supposed to be going.
3) With the advent of the internet, flight schedules are readily
available.
4) The internet also allows for "anonymous" purchases. There is no way
to check ID, and you don't need a passport to travel within the US
once you are here. At the Airport, IDs can be faked fairly easily.
5) A knife under 7 inches (blade and handle) is considered a "tool"
legally, not a weapon. Plus, they do make polymer and hard plastic
knives. (Not to mention that a lighter and a can of hair spray would
make an effective weapon and could be in your carry on bag.)
6) The head flight attendant has a key to the cock pit. It wouldn't be
that difficult for 2 or 3 people to disable the attendants (even one
might be able to if he was really good. But that's what I am arguing
against, so let's just ignore that possibility, shall we...)
7) Taking off and landing are the most difficult parts of flying. Once
you are in the air, it is not all that difficult baring turbulence (or
terrorists). Push the stick forward, the plane goes down. Pull back,
it goes up. Left and right don't change.
Personally, I believe that a determined teenager could have mastermind
the whole thing. Remember when Oklahoma City was bombed? Everyone
blamed the Japanese saying it was a counter-attack for some incident
in a Tokyo subway. But it was some whack job American. I am not so
quick to bite on the foreign attack theory. (Though I have no evidence
to the contrary.)
As for the other amazing events regarding the attack, I am not so sure
they are the work of a genius either.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that planes leaving
Dulles are less likely to arouse suspicion at the Pentagon. They are
almost next to each other. Air defense could not be brought to bear
every time there was a west bound flight out of DC. And with the speed
at which modern planes fly (just to maintain lift), no one would be
able to react to a sudden deviation.
The daring aerobatics to hit the second tower could have actually been
the result of poor planning. As they approached, their course may have
been off, and they had to adjust quickly causing the steep turn. It
would also explain why they hit lower on the building in the second
attack. As the plane turns sharply, its wings lose lift causing it to
descend.
IMHO, the reason "we" think it was a "well planned" attack is because
that's exactly what we have been told all day. Most people can't
comprehend, myself included, the mentality involved in choosing to
kill hundreds of people who have done nothing to you. These two things
coupled with the fact that we have no idea what the actual plan was,
make it seem all that more fantastic. If they had been intending to
get 12 planes and only got four, it hardly seems like such a well
thought out endeavor. Or if the Pentagon plane was intended for the
White House, but they turned the wrong way, they don't look so good.
As for the timing, you can thank the FAA. Both planes were bound for
California out of the same airport. Because the FAA only allows
certain lanes of travel for commercial flights, they have to leave a
certain amount of time between each take off. Two separate planes
can't safely be in the exact same air space.
The only thing that confuses me, and the reason I haven't completely
discounted the grand conspiracy theory, is how they disabled the
transponders. All of the planes have a "We are being Hijacked!" button
that the pilot can use to send a signal to air traffic control. But
apparently, they were unable to do so because the terrorists had
disabled they transponder. Of course, I would have thought that losing
the transponder signal would have been a clue to air traffic control.
Then again, my suspicions would have been piqued when a plane bound
for California from Boston suddenly headed north.
I am just trying to play Devil's Advocate. I am not part of the
Intelligence community, so I have no idea what type of evidence they
have. But from my couch I don't see any reason that this needs to be
an attack on the US by a foreign entity. (I still think we should beat
the hell out of the people who were cheering and dancing just as a
matter of principle. And that shit Sadam said... He's just asking for
a good old fashion ass whooping.)
Well, that's just my observations, and what the hell do I know
anyway...
Mr. Faust
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- wolf - wrote:
> "People's Commissar" <tanija...@myself.com> wrote in message
> news:tptd45s...@corp.supernews.com...
> > Ole,
> >
> > The so-called "Palestinians" in particular have been a particularly bad
> pain
> > in the damned ass with regard to the fact that they were PAID for that
> > fucking land ages ago - and paid well. It was a damned desert. So when
> the
> > Jews build it up, now they want it back? FUCK that! I believe you know
> > this - you were in Israel. You saw. Israelis were great, Palestinians
> were
> > whining wrecking scums. It's the Arabs themselves that will NOT let them
> > out of those settlements and into their OWN countries.
>
> Yup. The PLO is paying "refugees" to stay in the refugee camps while the
> Israeli have provided apartments for them. I'm still pro Israel, but that
> doesn't mean I support the US. I'm noting the fact that seen from a
> military perspective, it was a very successful operation. Now we're seeing
> people on this newsgroup wailing about "dishonorable acts," but the fact
> remains it was pulled off.
To me - wolf - it's the height of bad taste to post this screed in this
newsgroup. Whether or not "they pulled it off" you seem to forget all of the
lives that were lost to the acts of cowardly swine. Likewise, in your earlier
post you imply that the lack of a suitable response from the USA to flooding in
India as some the reason that Europeans like yourself don't care much about
terrorism on US soil. While I'm all for people expressing their opinions, it's
obvious you have no sense of decorum. Posting this type of thing just makes you
look like someone who's either pathologically self-absorbed or just hasn't lived
long enough to understand tragedy.
> I'm looking at what happened, not the morals of
> the action. And for everyone that screams "sociopath," I'd like to note
> also that being capable of seeing it from the terrorists' perspective isn't
> indicative of sociopathy.
Being a "sociopath" implies that you do something beyond posting stilted
litanies from your computer.
> I'm also wondering who did it. The Palestenians don't stand to gain
> anything from the attack, and neither do other Arab countries. That's what
> makes me think perhaps Israel might be behind it, or perhaps countries that
> would like to see rival competitors get into a fight. (China, anyone?)
Really, Iraq has the biggest motivitation to have committed this act. To
believe or imply that Isreal committed this crime is just plain stupidity.
> It seems less likely that the weapon industry might be behind it, as they
> don't tend to commit suicide bombings and such.
From your previous deductions, I was expecting you to say that space aliens were
behind the terrorism.
> > Why do you hate the USA so much all of a sudden? You used to want to live
> > here. One experience got you disillusioned? You know - as you know cause
> > we talked, that whole fiasco could have gone another way had you
> understood
> > yin and stayed wholly within your own Boundaries.
>
> Yes, I'd have kept the job and a LOW SALARY. I didn't leave because of my
> job as apparently the Gilmores told Jacqueline, possibly through Kevin. I
> moved from the US for reasons such as the fact that Danish engineers have a
> trade union, longer vacations, better employee benefits, etc.
>
So when the US economy takes its inevitable tumble from this debacle, I hope
that you've saved enough money to weather the inevitable unemployment in Denmark
for an extended period of time.
Regards,
Harry Lime
http://www.harrylimetv.com
>
> - wolf -
Circe
>
> So when the US economy takes its inevitable tumble from this debacle, I
hope
> that you've saved enough money to weather the inevitable unemployment in
Denmark
> for an extended period of time.
>
This is something that hasn't been covered yet. I was wondering how
something like this will effect the economy? What can we expect?
Blackjack
> Thanks BlackJack,
>
> Luckily here, it was just the threat of another suicide bomb. It must have
> been hell in NYC and DC. (plus all the lives lost/injuries)
I can only imagine. The one person I was worried about in DC is OK. He was
far enough away from the Pentagon, but he did see the smoke coming from it
in the aftermath.
As I posted before, I can smell a bloodlust coming that I haven't seen
during my lifetime. Don't know if you read this or not, but check it out:
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/congress.terrorism/ When Diane Feinstein
wants blood, watch out.
-- Blackjack
Mr. Faust
Wolf,
I'd like to comment on a few things you've said today. First of all,
how can the death of innocent people be refreshing in any sense of the
word? I don't give a rat's ass what lesson you think the big bad US
needed to learn. When people die trying to feed their families, it's
never refreshing.
As for the thousands of Indians who lose their lives to flooding that
we could save, I don't recall Danish lifeguards manning the pool
either. And condemning the US use of napalm in vietnam seems rather
mild considering the tactics of the opposition. (ie exploding shoe
shine boys, diseased prostitutes, etc.) If the US didn't care about
human life, congress wouldn't have forced the military to stop
dropping napalm in the tunnels that the north Vietnamese dug to ambush
us.
The US warned Japan before we used the bomb in WW2. We actually
dropped one on one of the Marshal Islands to show them what would
happen. They refused to stop fighting. It hardly seems fair to condemn
the US tactics during WW2. We were proked into entering that war
because of Pearl Harbor and pressure from Britain. The US was neutral
prior to the attack by Japan.
Do I personally care if people in Somalia eat? Nope, but the US
government does, so they send in plane loads of food guarded by
soldiers to ensure people can eat. Do I care if Iraq invade Kuwait?
Nope, but Saudi Arabia did, and they are our allies. Had the US not
cared about human life, Sadam, and his human shield, would not be here
to laugh today.
Do I care if people in Yugoslavia want to kill each other? Nope, but
the UN does, and the US always supports the UN with money and troops.
If the US didn't care about the loss of human life, we wouldn't try to
help Israel and Palestine make peace. Let's face it, Israel does the
things that the US wants to do, but can't for political reasons. It be
a much better world for US interests if the Star of David flew over
the whole of the middle east. But
The US would fully support Denmark if this had happened on Danish
soil. Because that is what allied nations do. The red cross would have
mobilized relief efforts as soon as we heard the news. Donations would
poor in from people trying to buy their way into heaven. And you'd
still complain about the US meddling in Danish affairs
If Europe wants the US out of European affairs, tell your government
not to run over here every time you have a problem. Don't ask us to
bail you out next time someone goose-steps through your capital and
make you wear bedpans on your head. And then you'd have a red arm band
of your own. As a matter of fact, if it was for the US, Britain, and
the USSR, you'd be busy attending mandatory book burnings and bringing
kids to Hitler youth rallies to post your opinions on usenet.
More importantly, I have NEVER made light of the holocaust, or
drowning indians. And rarely to I cast a disparaging word to any
groups or people on this forum with the noted exception of the truly
idiotic (Egan, NAMBLA, the 88 crowd, etc) But I did lose friends
today, just as I lost friends and family in Desert Storm and Vietnam.
All fighting for other people's right to come on to a usenet group and
make light of there sacrifice. And I am a CoS member.
Kevin Filan
"Mr. Faust" <fa...@new.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> Kevin,
>
> My wife and I just had this discussion. The actual planning wouldn't
> be all that difficult.
I think I'm most stunned by the way they planned for maximum civilian
casualties. If they just wanted to make a statement, they could have flown
one plane into the Statue of Liberty before it opened for business: it would
have been equally dramatic and would have resulted in far less death and
destruction.
Every subway line that goes up Manhattan's west side has a stop beneath the
WTC: every commuter coming into Manhattan from Jersey City via PATH goes
through the WTC stop. At 9 am most of the brokerages and financial offices
in the WTC were full, and most of the trains going beneath the WTC were
packed with commuters. I'm just glad that the towers didn't collapse
immediately and they were apparently able to shut down subway service
beforehand.
> Personally, I believe that a determined teenager could have mastermind
> the whole thing. Remember when Oklahoma City was bombed? Everyone
> blamed the Japanese saying it was a counter-attack for some incident
> in a Tokyo subway. But it was some whack job American. I am not so
> quick to bite on the foreign attack theory. (Though I have no evidence
> to the contrary.)
I'm also wondering about that. The Pentagon and the World Trade Center are
both prime targets for American extremists. Even if the Pittsburgh plane
was headed for Camp David, that wouldn't necessarily mean Palestinians or
Moslems were involved. The "Tinfoil Helmet" brigade might well see this
attack as "sending a signal to the Zionist Occupying Government."
> As for the other amazing events regarding the attack, I am not so sure
> they are the work of a genius either.
>
> It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that planes leaving
> Dulles are less likely to arouse suspicion at the Pentagon. They are
> almost next to each other. Air defense could not be brought to bear
> every time there was a west bound flight out of DC. And with the speed
> at which modern planes fly (just to maintain lift), no one would be
> able to react to a sudden deviation.
I don't think anybody ever planned for this kind of attack, because nobody
ever figured anyone would be dehydrated-rock-hard crazy enough to fly a
loaded passenger jet into a skyscraper, never mind several. And, as you
point out, it would only take a minute or two of deviation to accomplish the
desired carnage.
>
> IMHO, the reason "we" think it was a "well planned" attack is because
> that's exactly what we have been told all day. Most people can't
> comprehend, myself included, the mentality involved in choosing to
> kill hundreds of people who have done nothing to you. These two things
> coupled with the fact that we have no idea what the actual plan was,
> make it seem all that more fantastic. If they had been intending to
> get 12 planes and only got four, it hardly seems like such a well
> thought out endeavor. Or if the Pentagon plane was intended for the
> White House, but they turned the wrong way, they don't look so good.
I think this was incredibly well planned-out. Four simultaneous hijackings
and three crashes into major monuments -- that is a huge success, if you're
trying to achieve this sort of thing. But yes, you're right in saying that
most people wouldn't have planned this simply because it never would have
occurred to them to do so.
> As for the timing, you can thank the FAA. Both planes were bound for
> California out of the same airport. Because the FAA only allows
> certain lanes of travel for commercial flights, they have to leave a
> certain amount of time between each take off. Two separate planes
> can't safely be in the exact same air space.
This also ensured that the eyes of the world would be on the WTC when the
second plane hit... and I suspect the planners had this in mind too.
> The only thing that confuses me, and the reason I haven't completely
> discounted the grand conspiracy theory, is how they disabled the
> transponders. All of the planes have a "We are being Hijacked!" button
> that the pilot can use to send a signal to air traffic control. But
> apparently, they were unable to do so because the terrorists had
> disabled they transponder. Of course, I would have thought that losing
> the transponder signal would have been a clue to air traffic control.
> Then again, my suspicions would have been piqued when a plane bound
> for California from Boston suddenly headed north.
Taking out the lead flight attendant and getting his or her key could be
done in a matter of seconds. Getting into the cockpit and slashing the
pilot's and co-pilot's throat could be done almost as quickly. Given how
busy the aviation lanes in the Boston/New York/DC corridor are, it's
entirely possible that a plane could slip off course for a couple of minutes
before being noticed.
Even if it were noticed, it's likely that the air traffic controller would
first try to make contact with the plane and let the pilot know he was off
course. It might take several minutes before somebody realized "Wait,
they're not responding..." Since these planes are flying at approximately
450-500 mph, they could be well on their way toward NYC by the time anyone
realized that this wasn't just pilot error, it was Something Else.
Again, it's not like anyone ever imagined anything like this: there's no
precedent for it, and few people are inclined to sit down and think, "Gee,
if I hijacked a passenger jet and flew it into the side of a building, I bet
I could kill LOTS of people!!!"
Peace
Kevin Filan
--
What inspires me is the image of a 70-ton tank rolling across a battlefield,
spitting fire, not sitting looking at a lake and being depressed like some
fucking fairy. - Morgan of Marduk.
xganon
Harry Lime wrote:
>
> So when the US economy takes its inevitable tumble from this debacle, I hope
> that you've saved enough money to weather the inevitable unemployment in Denmark
> for an extended period of time.
A US boycott of imported cheese and in 2 months Poodles in on the streets selling his hiney to drunken sailors. Yeah, no big life style change there!
xganon
Shut-up, you stupid, limp dick faggot. Nobody gave you permission to speak.
Jacqueline Davis
--JD
Jason Yuschenko
Afghanistan meet Allah.
The sentiment on the streets here went from fear/confusion/speculation to
rage in the early afternoon.
I slipped on the last available bus and was literally in the entrance way.
Each time an additional person tried to get on, a brawl almost broke up. I
was ready to swing if someone tried to take my place.
I can't even imagine what NYC and DC are like at this moment.
War.
Jason Yuschenko
Harry Lime
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Kevin Filan wrote:
> "Mr. Faust" <fa...@new.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:i3rtptopn1jiuboh3...@4ax.com...
> >
> > Kevin,
> >
> > My wife and I just had this discussion. The actual planning wouldn't
> > be all that difficult.
>
> I think I'm most stunned by the way they planned for maximum civilian
> casualties. If they just wanted to make a statement, they could have flown
> one plane into the Statue of Liberty before it opened for business: it would
> have been equally dramatic and would have resulted in far less death and
> destruction.
Sure, these people wanted to damage the psyche and the infrastructure of the
USA. Sadly, I think that they were very successful. Just on the TV News it was
announced that some of the perpetrators were from the UAE, Afganistan, and
possible some Pakistani Muslim fanatics. So in other words, they don't know who
did these cowardly acts, but they do know their from somewhere in the Middle
East. Lawrence Eagleberger, former Secretary of State, spoke a few minutes ago
about a "swift and severe" response. While I don't care much for Bush, I hope
he doesn't hold *anything* back -- kinda like Henry V at Agincourt. Like most
in this newsgroup, I consider this an act of war. Despite the fact that I'm
quite a Leftie as well, I think there is no other reasonable and just solution.
Turn these fucking countries into parking lots.
> Every subway line that goes up Manhattan's west side has a stop beneath the
> WTC: every commuter coming into Manhattan from Jersey City via PATH goes
> through the WTC stop. At 9 am most of the brokerages and financial offices
> in the WTC were full, and most of the trains going beneath the WTC were
> packed with commuters. I'm just glad that the towers didn't collapse
> immediately and they were apparently able to shut down subway service
> beforehand.
>
> > Personally, I believe that a determined teenager could have mastermind
> > the whole thing. Remember when Oklahoma City was bombed? Everyone
> > blamed the Japanese saying it was a counter-attack for some incident
> > in a Tokyo subway. But it was some whack job American. I am not so
> > quick to bite on the foreign attack theory. (Though I have no evidence
> > to the contrary.)
>
> I'm also wondering about that. The Pentagon and the World Trade Center are
> both prime targets for American extremists. Even if the Pittsburgh plane
> was headed for Camp David, that wouldn't necessarily mean Palestinians or
> Moslems were involved. The "Tinfoil Helmet" brigade might well see this
> attack as "sending a signal to the Zionist Occupying Government."
Yeah, I've been learning the wonders of 'killfiling'. On a side note, I'm rather
disappointed in - wolf's - recent postings here. Usually he posts interesting
stuff, but IMO he just became an Uber Boor..
> > As for the other amazing events regarding the attack, I am not so sure
> > they are the work of a genius either.
> >
> > It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that planes leaving
> > Dulles are less likely to arouse suspicion at the Pentagon. They are
> > almost next to each other. Air defense could not be brought to bear
> > every time there was a west bound flight out of DC. And with the speed
> > at which modern planes fly (just to maintain lift), no one would be
> > able to react to a sudden deviation.
>
> I don't think anybody ever planned for this kind of attack, because nobody
> ever figured anyone would be dehydrated-rock-hard crazy enough to fly a
> loaded passenger jet into a skyscraper, never mind several. And, as you
> point out, it would only take a minute or two of deviation to accomplish the
> desired carnage.
> >
> > IMHO, the reason "we" think it was a "well planned" attack is because
> > that's exactly what we have been told all day. Most people can't
> > comprehend, myself included, the mentality involved in choosing to
> > kill hundreds of people who have done nothing to you.
If these people are fanatical Muslims, they do see the USA as being responsible
for killing thousands of innocent people in the Gulf War. Tit for Tat. Too bad
for them that this action will cost the lives of many more innocent civilains
when we strike back.
> These two things
> > coupled with the fact that we have no idea what the actual plan was,
> > make it seem all that more fantastic. If they had been intending to
> > get 12 planes and only got four, it hardly seems like such a well
> > thought out endeavor. Or if the Pentagon plane was intended for the
> > White House, but they turned the wrong way, they don't look so good.
> I think this was incredibly well planned-out. Four simultaneous hijackings
> and three crashes into major monuments -- that is a huge success, if you're
> trying to achieve this sort of thing. But yes, you're right in saying that
> most people wouldn't have planned this simply because it never would have
> occurred to them to do so.
I'd have to agree that this operation was efficiently planned and executed. The
planes involved were 767's and 757's which share virtually the same cockpit. If
you're rated on one, you're rated on another. Within forty minutes of each
other the three planes inflicted their damage.
> > As for the timing, you can thank the FAA. Both planes were bound for
> > California out of the same airport. Because the FAA only allows
> > certain lanes of travel for commercial flights, they have to leave a
> > certain amount of time between each take off. Two separate planes
> > can't safely be in the exact same air space.
Depends on the airspace you're talking about. Being from a Left-wing bias you
can partially blame Regan's busting of the PATCO union, but this isn't really
salient to the discussion.
> This also ensured that the eyes of the world would be on the WTC when the
> second plane hit... and I suspect the planners had this in mind too.
>
> > The only thing that confuses me, and the reason I haven't completely
> > discounted the grand conspiracy theory, is how they disabled the
> > transponders. All of the planes have a "We are being Hijacked!" button
> > that the pilot can use to send a signal to air traffic control. But
> > apparently, they were unable to do so because the terrorists had
> > disabled they transponder. Of course, I would have thought that losing
> > the transponder signal would have been a clue to air traffic control.
> > Then again, my suspicions would have been piqued when a plane bound
> > for California from Boston suddenly headed north.
>
> Taking out the lead flight attendant and getting his or her key could be
> done in a matter of seconds. Getting into the cockpit and slashing the
> pilot's and co-pilot's throat could be done almost as quickly. Given how
> busy the aviation lanes in the Boston/New York/DC corridor are, it's
> entirely possible that a plane could slip off course for a couple of minutes
> before being noticed.
True, they need to have more cops on flights with guns that fire ammo that won't
pierce the skin of the aircraft. (I think they used .40 calibre back in the
seventies when hijacking planes was popular.)
> Even if it were noticed, it's likely that the air traffic controller would
> first try to make contact with the plane and let the pilot know he was off
> course. It might take several minutes before somebody realized "Wait,
> they're not responding..." Since these planes are flying at approximately
> 450-500 mph, they could be well on their way toward NYC by the time anyone
> realized that this wasn't just pilot error, it was Something Else.
>
> Again, it's not like anyone ever imagined anything like this: there's no
> precedent for it, and few people are inclined to sit down and think, "Gee,
> if I hijacked a passenger jet and flew it into the side of a building, I bet
> I could kill LOTS of people!!!"
>
Regards,
Harry Lime
http://www.harrylimetv.com
>
Jason Yuschenko
The driver started letting people out the back and we'd wave em off in
front.
Jason Y
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One Darkness
I'm personally sick and tired of pencil-dot countries hating the USA. We
ain't perfect, but we ain't all bad either.
"Mr. Faust" <fa...@new.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> Wolf,
>
> I'd like to comment on a few things you've said today. First of all,
> how can the death of innocent people be refreshing in any sense of the
> word?
That was pretty bad.
> The US warned Japan before we used the bomb in WW2. We actually
> dropped one on one of the Marshal Islands to show them what would
> happen. They refused to stop fighting. It hardly seems fair to condemn
> the US tactics during WW2. We were proked into entering that war
> because of Pearl Harbor and pressure from Britain. The US was neutral
> prior to the attack by Japan.
They were positively insane. The Japanese had no concept of "giving up" in
a war. They'd have continued like fanatics with their "no losing face"
shit.
>
> Do I personally care if people in Somalia eat? Nope, but the US
> government does, so they send in plane loads of food guarded by
> soldiers to ensure people can eat. Do I care if Iraq invade Kuwait?
> Nope, but Saudi Arabia did, and they are our allies. Had the US not
> cared about human life, Sadam, and his human shield, would not be here
> to laugh today.
I think we should stay the out of this shit. There are problems right here
to be fixed.
>
> If the US didn't care about the loss of human life, we wouldn't try to
> help Israel and Palestine make peace. Let's face it, Israel does the
> things that the US wants to do, but can't for political reasons. It be
> a much better world for US interests if the Star of David flew over
> the whole of the middle east. But
If the USA would let Israel go for it, the Star of David might be over the
entire place.
>
> The US would fully support Denmark if this had happened on Danish
> soil. Because that is what allied nations do. The red cross would have
> mobilized relief efforts as soon as we heard the news. Donations would
> poor in from people trying to buy their way into heaven. And you'd
> still complain about the US meddling in Danish affairs
>
> If Europe wants the US out of European affairs, tell your government
> not to run over here every time you have a problem. Don't ask us to
> bail you out next time someone goose-steps through your capital and
> make you wear bedpans on your head. And then you'd have a red arm band
> of your own. As a matter of fact, if it was for the US, Britain, and
> the USSR, you'd be busy attending mandatory book burnings and bringing
> kids to Hitler youth rallies to post your opinions on usenet.
That's the truth. The Nazis invaded, the allies fought.
>
> More importantly, I have NEVER made light of the holocaust, or
> drowning indians. And rarely to I cast a disparaging word to any
> groups or people on this forum with the noted exception of the truly
> idiotic (Egan, NAMBLA, the 88 crowd, etc) But I did lose friends
> today, just as I lost friends and family in Desert Storm and Vietnam.
> All fighting for other people's right to come on to a usenet group and
> make light of there sacrifice. And I am a CoS member.
Comrade Faust, you are also a Satanic Reds member! People need to know what
the Nambla is and what 88 means. Many do not. I did not. I found out from
gays friends and, even with them, only some of them knew. I did not know
what 88 was. No one I know knows what 88 means.
Take it easy,
Casey
One Darkness
For some reason, I'm not seeing all the posts. I see yours, but not Ole's.
"Harry Lime" <the3rd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dear - wolf -:
>
> Please see inside text:
Same here, see inside.
>
> - wolf - wrote:
>
> > "People's Commissar" <tanija...@myself.com> wrote in message
> > news:tptd45s...@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Ole,
> >
> > Yup. The PLO is paying "refugees" to stay in the refugee camps while
the
> > Israeli have provided apartments for them. I'm still pro Israel, but
that
> > doesn't mean I support the US. I'm noting the fact that seen from a
> > military perspective, it was a very successful operation. Now we're
seeing
> > people on this newsgroup wailing about "dishonorable acts," but the fact
> > remains it was pulled off.
I get your point. But that's not the point. My former roomate and one of
my best friends was up in New York. I have no idea if he's dead or alive.
I can't get through. He worked for Dean Witter Reynolds.
>
> To me - wolf - it's the height of bad taste to post this screed in this
> newsgroup. Whether or not "they pulled it off" you seem to forget all of
the
> lives that were lost to the acts of cowardly swine.
It was a kami kazi style attack. Suicide mission.
Likewise, in your earlier
> post you imply that the lack of a suitable response from the USA to
flooding in
> India
The USA does respond.
as some the reason that Europeans like yourself don't care much about
> terrorism on US soil. While I'm all for people expressing their opinions,
it's
> obvious you have no sense of decorum. Posting this type of thing just
makes you
> look like someone who's either pathologically self-absorbed or just hasn't
lived
> long enough to understand tragedy.
Or he's living in an ice castle.
>
> > I'm looking at what happened, not the morals of
> > the action. And for everyone that screams "sociopath," I'd like to note
> > also that being capable of seeing it from the terrorists' perspective
isn't
> > indicative of sociopathy.
You didn't SAY that "the terrorists find it refreshing, they are celebrating
in the streets over there (they are)." You said YOU found it fefreshing.
YOU.
>
> > I'm also wondering who did it.
OSAMA BIN LADEN DID IT FOR GOD'S SAKES! Or he had it done.
The Palestenians don't stand to gain
> > anything from the attack, and neither do other Arab countries. That's
what
> > makes me think perhaps Israel might be behind it, or perhaps countries
that
> > would like to see rival competitors get into a fight. (China, anyone?)
GOD DAMN when did you get so STUPID? The people who did it, did it for
Allah. They BELIEVE they'll be rewarded forever in Heaven. They are Moslem
Fundamentalist fanatics. "Stand to gain" in your mind means nothing to
these fanatics. Their GAIN is a very different thing. Sainthood? Godhood?
Or whatever the hell they believe. What does a monk stand to gain by
taking vows of poverty, celibacy, and that whole bit? He believes he has
Heaven to gain.
>
> Really, Iraq has the biggest motivitation to have committed this act. To
> believe or imply that Isreal committed this crime is just plain stupidity.
Whoever backs those fundamentalist types, yup.
>
Casey
Circe
"One Darkness" <orca...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> It was a kami kazi style attack. Suicide mission.
The most deadly thing on earth is one with nothing to lose. This is a fine
example.
Polymathic Endomorph
> Try and put this all a bit into perspective instead of being so religious
> about the country your ancestors stole by murdering millions of native
> Americans>>
First of all, my ancestors were not WASPs. Second of all, a million
Ameridans did not exist from Alaska to Argentina, let alone is what is
now the US borders.
We have Kevin Filan and various CoS people making plenty of
> jokes about six million Jews slaughtered on this newsgroup, but when human
> terror moves into their neighborhoods they stick their tails between their
> legs and run. Now watch them crying when might becomes right. Let's play
> some of Gidney's Auswitsch Dancer music while we watch the World Trade
> Center crumble, shall we?
I won't kicka dog when they are down, so leave Kevin alone and
I'll just say you *do* have a point, but it's universal, not just CoS
> > Anyone who sees innocent people losing their lives "refreshing" is simply
> a
> > coward.
>
> The fact that the US is not invulnerable is refreshing. I'm sorry for the
> people that lost relatives, certainly. Politically speaking, it's a wake-up
> call to the US in more than one way, however.
>
> > I've been speaking and demonstrating against American foreign policy for
> > years, including a prediction something like this would happen.
> >
> > It's hardly "refreshing" and some chickenshit sociopath hiding behind a
> > computer in Denmark has no business talking.
>
> What's a measly couple of thousand lives in NYC compared to the disasters in
> other countries that we never hear commented in but thirty seconds in the
> daily news on TV? It's nothing. The only reason this became a big issue
> was because it happened in the Sacred U S of A. The US doesn't give a fuck
> if thousands of Indian people die in floodings even if the US is capable of
> saving plenty of them. Perhaps it's time the US realizes that some of us
> care just about as much about the US as the US cares about other people.
>
> The US is the country that started a war over oil some ten years ago,
> remember?
>
> > Ole Wolf is killfiled, any who do not disassociate themselves from him
> will
> > be also.
>
> Just think of the loss: you won't have Jason Yuschenko reading your posts
> anymore. The World Trade Center terror act pales in comparison.
>
> > I will be in touch with the US Attorney when things settle down. We will
> be
> > discussing hate groups online.
> >
> > The choice is yours.
>
> I think the term you Americans use is, "so sue me."
>
> NOW do you see my point? Someone said that while each death is a tragedy, a
> million deaths is statistics. Empathy is the capability of seeing *both* at
> the same time.
>
> - wolf -
Mr. Scratch
> As I posted before, I can smell a bloodlust coming that I haven't seen
> during my lifetime. Don't know if you read this or not, but check it out:
> http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/congress.terrorism/ When Diane Feinstein
> wants blood, watch out.
This is a curiosity that I was considering today; the similarity in
attitudes toward Americans between the Radical Islamic Fundies (RIF fer
short), and the Japanese prior to WWII.
Now I don't mean to get off on a rant here...but like the pre-war
Japanese, our culture is regarded by the RIF as one of lazy decadence.
We use our money and influence to achieve our political objectives,
keeping our hands clean of dirty work, while sitting back indulging
ourselves in sex and drinks like fat playboys. The assumption, then and
now, is that we would buckle under, once faced with the possibility of
real bloodshed in our backyard.
But also, like the Japanese, I think the RIF underestimate how impassioned
we can be with violence and homicide once aroused. This is the shadow
side of the cheerful and brash American culture; we can also be quite
ruthless and even cruel if circumstances warrant it (and even when the
circumstances *don't* warrant it -- just look at our murder rate). This
is the side of our culture we showed the Indians, and it is the side the
Japanese themselves discovered once the tide of war had turned. The
Japanese Admiral Yamomato, who led the attack on Pearl Harbor, mentioned
after his first great victory over us, that he was afraid they had
awakened a sleeping giant. Within two years the skies over Japan were
regularly raining incendiary bombs, plummeting into cities that were
nothing more than raging infernos. Most people don't know this, but in
the US military at the time, there was serious consideration being given
to the possible necessity of extinguishing the entire Japanese culture
(and if it had come to a ground invasion of the mainland, I think it might
have happened).
We are rather like the Romans in this: wallowing in luxurious decadence
one moment -- but then next thing you know, we're putting the populations
of entire cities to the sword, and salting the earth they sprung up on.
I suspect in the coming days, we'll see Congress considering a repeal of
its laws against assassination, and a reevaluation of prohibitions against
its intelligence agents being involved in criminal activities. If it
these repeals get voted through, the American mask of international
relations will shift from Bozo the Clown to Attila the Hun in the amount
of time it takes to say "cruise missile."
> -- Blackjack
Mr. Scratch
Polymathic Endomorph
>
> Yup. The PLO is paying "refugees" to stay in the refugee camps while the
> Israeli have provided apartments for them. I'm still pro Israel, but that
> doesn't mean I support the US. I'm noting the fact that seen from a
> military perspective, it was a very successful operation. Now we're seeing
> people on this newsgroup wailing about "dishonorable acts," but the fact
> remains it was pulled off. I'm looking at what happened, not the morals of
> the action. And for everyone that screams "sociopath," I'd like to note
> also that being capable of seeing it from the terrorists' perspective isn't
> indicative of sociopathy.>>
Perhaps so, but a little decorum would be useful, no?
>
> I'm also wondering who did it. The Palestenians don't stand to gain
> anything from the attack, and neither do other Arab countries. That's what
> makes me think perhaps Israel might be behind it, or perhaps countries that
> would like to see rival competitors get into a fight. (China, anyone?)
You should ask Delia on a date. Serioussy though, Bin Laden has
already been offically linked.
>
> It seems less likely that the weapon industry might be behind it, as they
> don't tend to commit suicide bombings and such.
>
> > Why do you hate the USA so much all of a sudden? You used to want to live
> > here. One experience got you disillusioned? You know - as you know cause
> > we talked, that whole fiasco could have gone another way had you
> understood
> > yin and stayed wholly within your own Boundaries.
>
> Yes, I'd have kept the job and a LOW SALARY. I didn't leave because of my
> job as apparently the Gilmores told Jacqueline, possibly through Kevin. I
> moved from the US for reasons such as the fact that Danish engineers have a
> trade union, longer vacations, better employee benefits, etc.
Scared of a little work, eh?
> - wolf -
Kevin Filan
> GOD DAMN when did you get so STUPID? The people who did it, did it for
> Allah. They BELIEVE they'll be rewarded forever in Heaven. They are
Moslem
> Fundamentalist fanatics. "Stand to gain" in your mind means nothing to
> these fanatics. Their GAIN is a very different thing. Sainthood?
Godhood?
> Or whatever the hell they believe. What does a monk stand to gain by
> taking vows of poverty, celibacy, and that whole bit? He believes he has
> Heaven to gain.
We do not yet know that "Moslem fundamentalist fanatics" were responsible
for this. I live in a city with a large Moslem population; there have
already been incidents of violence against dark-skinned people. It is
irresponsible to pin the blame on any group until we have more information.
As I said before, radical American extremists could have pulled this off
just as easily as radical Moslems or Palestinian nationalists.
I remember Arabs and Middle Eastern people being attacked after Oklahoma
City, and it turned out that was an American-made attack. (I doubt some
cabdriver from Bangladesh had fuck-all to do with this in any event, but
nobody ever accused racist mobs of clear thinking).
I hate to sound like I might be agreeing with Walter Alter, but I'd also
take official reports on this one with a grain of salt. Dubya knows that
America is going to be screaming for blood and demanding answers. He knows
that if they don't get answers he's going to be a one-term president just
like Poppa Bush was. He also knows that wartime spending often does wonders
for a lagging economy, and that this would provide a great excuse for a
major war.
To go even further out into Walternate Reality: if this was the work of
Osama Bin Laden, I can't help but be reminded of the Hashasheen. A dozen
crack suicide troopers, armed only with box cutters, manage to pull off the
worst attack ever felt on American soil. Pearl Harbor was less than 2,500
deaths, most of them military... this is considerably bigger than that,
maybe by a factor of 10 or more.
Blackjack
Kevin,
I understand your points, and I would hate to see a lynch mob mentality
formed against anybody just because they happen to be a Muslim. You're
right -- this could have been done by a couple of Tim McVeigh clones who
happen to be fairly knowledgeable about aviation. Based on all I've seen, I
believe it is Bin Laden, but there is a chance I could be wrong. The point
I was making before is this -- what you are going to see will be bigger than
a simple "call for justice". When I inhale deeply, I smell blood. So do a
lot of other people. What you are going to see is a release of collective
rage from an extremely pissed off 900 lb gorilla. That is why I just shake
my head at the America haters tee-heeing in the background. The truth is
(sad as it may be, but it is reality) that right now, people aren't
interested in a trial. They want blood, and they won't be happy until they
get it.
Plus, the idea that Dubya will use this as a "Wag the Dog" is silly. What
is about to happen is bigger than him. It is bigger than you, and it is
bigger than me.
-- Blackjack
xganon
Oh ShUt uP You SLaP HaPPy FaGGoT. NoBodY gAvE YoU PerMiSsIoN tO sPeAK.
Kevin Filan
news:ubGn7.37973$ul3.1...@news.infostrada.it...
> Kevin,
>
> I understand your points, and I would hate to see a lynch mob mentality
> formed against anybody just because they happen to be a Muslim. You're
> right -- this could have been done by a couple of Tim McVeigh clones who
> happen to be fairly knowledgeable about aviation. Based on all I've seen,
I
> believe it is Bin Laden, but there is a chance I could be wrong.
At least a couple of these hijackers seem to have had experience flying jets
or large planes. That would suggest Bin Laden more than Garden-Variety
American Militia Radical. Those impacts were too precise and thought out to
be the work of someone who had never before flown something that big.
> The point
> I was making before is this -- what you are going to see will be bigger
than
> a simple "call for justice". When I inhale deeply, I smell blood. So do
a
> lot of other people. What you are going to see is a release of collective
> rage from an extremely pissed off 900 lb gorilla. That is why I just
shake
> my head at the America haters tee-heeing in the background. The truth is
> (sad as it may be, but it is reality) that right now, people aren't
> interested in a trial. They want blood, and they won't be happy until
they
> get it.
This will almost certainly result in a major American offensive against
somebody: it would be political suicide for Dubya to sit on his hands and do
nothing. Afghanistan looks like the most likely target: we've wanted to get
rid of the Taliban for years, and if Osama Bin Laden is linked to this we'll
have no choice but to go in and get him -- or send him a thermonuclear
thank-you card.
> Plus, the idea that Dubya will use this as a "Wag the Dog" is silly. What
> is about to happen is bigger than him. It is bigger than you, and it is
> bigger than me.
I'm not postulating a "wag the dog" so much as being realistic. It's naive
to imagine that Dubya is sitting in Air Force One and thinking "I'm going to
have to put aside all my goals toward re-election and quit worrying about
propping up my approval ratings... right now America comes first, damn it!"
I don't know if he is *entirely* basing his next course of action on those
approval ratings but I'm sure he's definitely keeping them in mind.
If weeks go by without any answers and without any retaliation, Dubya's
approval ratings will swirl even further down the toilet. He'll be seen as
weak, hesitant and indecisive by a populace which is already screaming "nuke
the Ragheads!!!" and "Smash the Sand-Niggers!!!!" And he has to know this.
There's already a strong feeling that Osama Bin Laden was behind this.
Politically speaking, Dubya has every reason to launch an attack on Osama
Bin Laden now, not wait until all the information is in. I'm not talking
about a frameup here or claiming that Dubya engineered these attacks to
divert attention from the failing economy and give him an excuse to attack
Afghanistan. (although I'm sure plenty will be saying that soon
enough... ). What I am saying is that he has no reason to wait and see and
every reason to start the bombing now.
Peace
Kevin Filan
--
I fear what I could have been capable of had I been highly educated!
- Nancy Warlick
Blackjack
> I'm not postulating a "wag the dog" so much as being realistic. It's
naive
> to imagine that Dubya is sitting in Air Force One and thinking "I'm going
to
> have to put aside all my goals toward re-election and quit worrying about
> propping up my approval ratings... right now America comes first, damn
it!"
> I don't know if he is *entirely* basing his next course of action on those
> approval ratings but I'm sure he's definitely keeping them in mind.
If I had to guess, Dubya's main thought right now is "Fuck...what do I do
now?" Somehow, I don't think the "Blowing up the WTC and turning the
Pentagon into a rhombus" scenario was included in his presidential manual.
He really doesn't need to focus on the politics. He's got Andrew Card and
Karl Rove to do that for him. I think he is coming to grips with the
thought that "Dubya, you aren't in Texas anymore." I'm not saying political
thoughts are absent from the equation. I just think more that he, like
anybody else in this situation, is scared as hell right now.
> If weeks go by without any answers and without any retaliation, Dubya's
> approval ratings will swirl even further down the toilet. He'll be seen
as
> weak, hesitant and indecisive by a populace which is already screaming
"nuke
> the Ragheads!!!" and "Smash the Sand-Niggers!!!!" And he has to know
this.
> There's already a strong feeling that Osama Bin Laden was behind this.
You're kind of making a point that I already thought about. Which is, even
if it isn't Bin Laden, it will be. Why? because enough people want it to
be.
> Politically speaking, Dubya has every reason to launch an attack on Osama
> Bin Laden now, not wait until all the information is in. I'm not talking
> about a frameup here or claiming that Dubya engineered these attacks to
> divert attention from the failing economy and give him an excuse to attack
> Afghanistan. (although I'm sure plenty will be saying that soon
> enough... ). What I am saying is that he has no reason to wait and see
and
> every reason to start the bombing now.
Yeah, I'm sure I'll see a few of those posts, too. I mean come on, as much
as I disliked Clinton, I don't think he would purposely blow up thousands of
his citizens on home soil to distract people from his blowjobs. I think
anybody suggesting the same for Bush should adorn the red nose and big
shoes.
-- Blackjack
> Peace
> Kevin Filan
>
Rocío Carrasco
> I suspect in the coming days, we'll see Congress considering a repeal of
> its laws against assassination, and a reevaluation of prohibitions against
> its intelligence agents being involved in criminal activities. If it
> these repeals get voted through, the American mask of international
> relations will shift from Bozo the Clown to Attila the Hun in the amount
> of time it takes to say "cruise missile."
As much a pacifist as I am, I feel that the repeal of these laws banning
what James Baker called "human intelligence" will restore peace in the
whole world. I think that there is no other way.
I think that what we MUST do is to mount a land air and sea campaign a
la Desert Storm upon the rogue governments of the world. Afghanistan,
Sudan, North Korea, and others. But start first with Afghanistan.
We need to invade these nations, seek out and assasinate any and all
members of the Taleban and their sponsers/supporters, and install a
democratic government, protected by our troops stationed there for some
years. We need to make it so that the people of these nations turn
against their original government, surrender en masse to American
refugee camps, and be granted protection from retaliation from any rogue
elements left over.
You had mentioned in your post Scratch the elimination of the "enemy"
culture. I don't think sushi, zen buddhism, geishas, or sumo wrestlers
is the problem here, or whatever it is the Afghans do. I think that
destroying the culture of a nation, what those people are accustomed to
eating, what they wear, their values about men and women, their past
*should* be honored. This is not the problem. I don't even think
Islam is the problem, at least not moderate Sunni Islam. At work we
have a Black American female staff member who is Islamic. She wears the
head covering and never wears short sleeves in the summer. And she is
the loveliest, most gentle person you could meet. Why can't others be
like her?
What IS the problem is the Taleban and the RIF's you mentioned. These
MUST be destroyed and immediately replaced with a democratic government,
if by force if needed.
Look at Japan and Germany today...Their culture is intact. The whole
world enjoys their beer, their sake, Oktoberfest, and they are
flourishing democracies. Why can't it be like that for the Middle
Eastern countries?
Hail Democracy!!! Government for the people, by the people, for ALL people!!!!
Rocio Carrasco
Mr. Faust
Casey,
I was specifically answering Ole's post which is why CoS membership
was an issue.
88 is a greetings used by neo nazi's on line. H is the eighth letter
of the alphabet. So "88" is the same as "HH" which is the same as
"Heil Hitler"
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:28:50 -0400, "One Darkness" <orca...@aol.com>
wrote:
Annuvin
> In any event, it's kind of refreshing to see the US now being involved in
a
> war on its own continent.
>
> - wolf -
Real refreshing. Tell that to the families of the victims, asshole.
Annuvin
Annuvin
> Dear - wolf -:
>
> Please see inside text:
>
> Gees, - wolf - you've been reading/believing some of the LaRouche material
too?
> While I'm no fan of the Isreal, I can't imagine they'd be that stupid.
Think
> about it for a moment: If this were found to be valid, I'm positive the
US
> would at the very least end all foreign aid and military support.
The attack was interpreted as a declarartion of war. Isreal wouldn't last 2
days.
> I'm sure you'd
> agree with me that without the money and the military assistance, Isreal
> wouldn't last too long without resorting to methods no one would like to
> consider, particularly the Palestinians.
Especially if the U.S. allied with them.
> > It would be the
> > classical strategy of defiling one's own monuments claiming that the
enemy
> > did it.
>
> It would also be political suicide for the Isrealis. One thing I can say
about
> Jews, they're very pragmatic.
And not stupid enough to risk the support of their biggest ally...
especially when surrounded by so many enemies.
> > In any event, it's kind of refreshing to see the US now being involved
in a
> > war on its own continent.
>
> Let me assure you that it won't be on this continent for very long in the
scheme
> of things. While I'm no fan of Bush, his less than dovish background
nessitates
> that a swift and severe military response. I'm sure in the next couple of
hours
> that our congress here would consider this an act of war and take the
> appropriate steps. This is a wakeup call for the US. It eludes me as to
why
> you find this "refreshing."
The U.S. Government has no alternative but to retaliate with swift and
deadly force. The U.S. citizens demand it.
Annuvin
- wolf -
bitching because I'm unconcerned about the amount of morality in terrorist
acts, that I don't particularly care about those they usually refer to as
"the herd," and that I'm not being altruistic. Next they'll probably
complain that I'm an indulgent bastard, or worse.
I've neither believed nor implied that Israel had done it. I've only noted
that Israel would stand to gain something from it providing of course that
Israel wouldn't be *caught* having done it. It wasn't *likely* that Israel
had done it, but ruling out countries that stand to gain anything but a
feeling of revenge when you're looking for the ones guilty of the disaster
is a dangerous path.
Whoever did it, did it. Saying this openly neither lessens nor worsens the
tragedy. Morals and the question of cowardice are in the eye of the
beholder, as evidenced by the celebrations in some Palestine regions.
I feel sorry for the people that lost relatives in the WTC to the same
degree as I feel sorry for those that lose relatives as results of US
bombings, in floodings, in earthquakes, in the numerous civil wars in
Africa, in trafficaccidents, etc. The WTC victims don't hold a *special*
place among those merely for being US citizens, however. If they had been
Iraqi citizens, most of this newsgroup probably would either not have cared
or applauded it.
I have not implied any causality such as because the US doesn't care about,
e.g. floodings, we shouldn't care about the US. I tried to convey the
message that people far away can be expected to think the same about the US
as the US thinks about people far away.
The refreshing part is that the US has been behaving like it's everyone's
policeman, behaving rather arrogantly against virtually any country in this
world. It's only appropriate as a non-American to feel some Schadenfreude
by watching when someone that sticks to "might is right", believing to be
the mighty one, gets a bloody nose.
Schadenfreude aside, it might get the US to realize that disasters are
disasters no matter where they occur, and that the US isn't impervious to
terrorism. Unless the US overracts on this, perhaps the US will learn that
it's dangerous to maintain a third world.
As far as the US economy goes, I'm sure the rebuilding will require quite
some work, and crushing the WTC is hardly going to take a heavier poll on
world scale economy that previous international crises. In fact, if the US
ramps up on its military spending as a result of the WTC, there might be
another interesting job out there.
If you seriously believe this is going to impede my job opportunities, then
I'd say you're overestimating the importance by several orders of magnitude.
Your emotions and your reason are really out of sync on this one.
- wolf -
Kevin Filan
> "Kevin Filan" <mrha...@excite.SPAMBGONE.com> wrote in message
> news:CSGn7.2463$s97.2...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>
> > I'm not postulating a "wag the dog" so much as being realistic. It's
> naive
> > to imagine that Dubya is sitting in Air Force One and thinking "I'm
going
> to
> > have to put aside all my goals toward re-election and quit worrying
about
> > propping up my approval ratings... right now America comes first, damn
> it!"
> > I don't know if he is *entirely* basing his next course of action on
those
> > approval ratings but I'm sure he's definitely keeping them in mind.
>
> If I had to guess, Dubya's main thought right now is "Fuck...what do I do
> now?" Somehow, I don't think the "Blowing up the WTC and turning the
> Pentagon into a rhombus" scenario was included in his presidential manual.
I'd wager he's probably shitting some rather large bricks right now. Nobody
ever envisioned a scenario like this one. Twenty suicide commandos armed
with box cutters just took out four commercial jets, the Pentagon, the World
Trade Center, and thousands of people. There's no reason to figure that
another twenty, or another two hundred, aren't waiting in the wings for Act
II.
I hope this was One Big Slap In The Face from a radical group which followed
the lead of The Judean People's Front Liberation Party and took itself out
in the process. But I really doubt that it was.
> > There's already a strong feeling that Osama Bin Laden was behind this.
>
> You're kind of making a point that I already thought about. Which is,
even
> if it isn't Bin Laden, it will be. Why? because enough people want it to
> be.
Right now a fair percentage of the country thinks of Dubya as an ineffectual
boob. I'm not saying they're right: ineffectual boobs rarely manage to get
themselves elected President, no matter how rich or prominent their parents
are. But it's definitely something he has to shake Or Else: anybody
remember Gerald Ford?
If he bombs the shit out of somebody, anybody, people will cheer and think
him a Great Military Hero. If he waits for further information, nobody is
likely to think him a brilliant statesman. If he says "We have proof Bin
Laden and the Taliban were behind this and as a result we just reduced Kabul
to radioactive rubble," the American people are going to cheer and dance in
the streets.
> Yeah, I'm sure I'll see a few of those posts, too. I mean come on, as
much
> as I disliked Clinton, I don't think he would purposely blow up thousands
of
> his citizens on home soil to distract people from his blowjobs. I think
> anybody suggesting the same for Bush should adorn the red nose and big
> shoes.
From the way things are going right now, I'd say Bush would have to be the
World's Biggest Idiot if this was all a big Psyop. The logical conclusion
to this little drama would be war in a wild, mountainous region complete
with well-armed and fanatical natives. The terrain of Afghanistan isn't
nearly so friendly to a mass "Desert Storm" blitzkrieg as was the case in
Iraq. I suppose Dubya might do some "show bombing" just to throw a bone to
the slavering masses, but I think that would be a big, big mistake. (The
"twenty more, or two hundred more" example I gave above still applies). A
show bombing might give him a brief boost in the polls; getting us embroiled
in a costly and unwinnable land war would be the end of his career.
The biggest problem I have with conspiracy theories is that they presuppose
a level of competence which is rarely seen among government types.
Peace
Kevin Filan
Rocío Carrasco
stewards and started hiring huge, bouncer sized guys with martial arts skills?
In all seriousness,
Rocio
Bob Taliban
"Kevin Filan" <mrha...@excite.SPAMBGONE.com> wrote in message news:<CSGn7.2463$s97.2...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
xganon
> I can hardly believe what I'm seeing here: regulars on alt.satanism are
What makes me sick is the overly concerned for that little rat fink Filan. These CoS cronies seem to be more concerned about that sick fuck more than anythjing else. Let me tell you why I hate Filan and was hoping that he did in fact , not the fact that he sneaks around and asks the CoS for others members personal info and gets it from them, not the fact that he has posted said info to this newsgroup, not the fact that he calls law enforcement agents with usenet complaints, not the fact he sends animal excrement to peoples neighbors whom happen to be senior citizens, not that fact that anyone besides CoS pewople can make a post without him and his fuck squad attacking, not even the fact that threatens two yr. old children with the wrath of Lylith! Oh I could go on and on but you get the picture. The fact that he comes out here to 'vent' as he puts it and then the low life, creepy crawler, rat face fink, mother fucker will call and email peoples ISP's when they do same! The !
censoring of peoples 'words' when he has no fuckin' clue what kind of day they have had and what they may be feeling even fuckin matters to that that little cock sucker! That is why I, like many others, use this anon service quite frequently too. And why we are very greatful to our good friend 'Cyber' for making this service possible to protect the same rights for us that Kevin Filan helps himself to quite often. Fuck Kevin Filan and fuck his life and his feelings. And fuck all you so called satanists for not having the wisdom to know and see the difference!
GUlLLOTlNA
this. >>
Well, we don't have proof yet.
You have to admit, the possibility that this is an attack orchestrated by
Islamic extremists is very, very strong. The WTC seems to have been Bin Laden's
personal.... almost a fetish with him. He is obsessed with that complex.
Maybe it -was- someone else; but all the signs are pointing toward Bin Laden as
of now.
Get the proof that he was the one behind this; -then- its time to reduce
Afghanistan to its component molecules - we can do this without ever landing
one soldier on Afghan soil.
No need to rush to judgement. The evidence is out there.
*********
I am wondering how 3-5 guys with *knives* managed to quell 90+ passengers on
these planes; at least half the passengers had to be male - why not more
resistance? Seems like a stab-wound might beat whatever they had in mind....
perhaps this is what happened in PA, since IIRC the plane almost nosedived into
the ground.
And perhaps also in DC. They're saying now that the plane that hit the Pentagon
was actually headed for the White House. Hail, all those people willing to die
fighting rather than sit like sheep in the hands of these lunatics. Their
courage is an inspiration.
L.
xganon
>these planes;
They showed them your picture. Say Cheese!
Blackjack
news:3B9F70CC...@indy.net...
I have to admit, Rocio, I personally like the idea. Do I think the airlines
will do it? No...tragedies like this aside, airlines are still customer
service based organizations. They would probably feel that guys like you
mention would:
1. Intimidate the passengers and make them nervous.
2. Get wedged in this aisles, bump into people, etc...
Of course, at this point, I think all ideas are on the table right now. Who
knows, maybe next time I fly, the following will happen:
"Hi, my name is Spike, and I'll be your flight attendant. I'm in the middle
of a career change -- UFC said I was too brutal. Put on your safety belt or
I'll snap your neck like the dry twig that it is. So...do you want fish or
chicken?"
Seriously, R~, good idea. Let's give Spike a job. ;)
-- Blackjack
"I said put your tray table back!" *thwap*
Jason Yuschenko
Like BlackJack said, the Airlines think in $$$.
Good idea, tho.
Jason Yuschenko
Kevin Filan
"xganon" <nob...@xganon.com> wrote in message
news:ea9266e6d685e95c...@xganon.com...
> - wolf - <wo...@blazingangles-nospam.com> wrote in message
news:3b9f6a01$0$63482$edfa...@dspool01.news.tele.dk...
> > I can hardly believe what I'm seeing here: regulars on alt.satanism are
>
>
* * * * *
What makes me sick is the overly concerned for that little rat fink Filan.
These CoS cronies seem to be more concerned about that sick fuck more than
anythjing else. Let me tell you why I hate Filan and was hoping that he did
in fact , not the fact that he sneaks around and asks the CoS for others
members personal info and gets it from them, not the fact that he has posted
said info to this newsgroup, not the fact that he calls law enforcement
agents with usenet complaints, not the fact he sends animal excrement to
peoples neighbors whom happen to be senior citizens, not that fact that
anyone besides CoS pewople can make a post without him and his fuck squad
attacking, not even the fact that threatens two yr. old children with the
wrath of Lylith! Oh I could go on and on but you get the picture. The fact
that he comes out here to 'vent' as he puts it and then the low life, creepy
crawler, rat face fink, mother fucker will call and email peoples ISP's when
they do same! The !
> censoring of peoples 'words' when he has no fuckin' clue what kind of day
they have had and what they may be feeling even fuckin matters to that that
little cock sucker! That is why I, like many others, use this anon service
quite frequently too. And why we are very greatful to our good friend
'Cyber' for making this service possible to protect the same rights for us
that Kevin Filan helps himself to quite often. Fuck Kevin Filan and fuck his
life and his feelings. And fuck all you so called satanists for not having
the wisdom to know and see the difference!
* * * * *
And all without a single line-break.
Gee... I wonder who THIS anonymous poster might be???
Kevin Filan
"xganon" <nob...@xganon.com> wrote in message
news:f2626d24e3771f06...@xganon.com...
> >I am wondering how 3-5 guys with *knives* managed to quell 90+ passengers
on
> >these planes;
>
> They showed them your picture. Say Cheese!
Shut up, Arnold. Nobody gave you permission to speak.
xganon
Gee...I can think of a number of people. And with that said....
Shut-up rat fink. Nobody gave you permission to speak.
Harry Lime
Please see inside text:
- wolf - wrote:
> I can hardly believe what I'm seeing here: regulars on alt.satanism are
> bitching because I'm unconcerned about the amount of morality in terrorist
> acts, that I don't particularly care about those they usually refer to as
> "the herd," and that I'm not being altruistic.
No - wolfe -, that's not the point. The point is that you didn't have the sense
to keep your trap shut about a national tragedy. Really, if this happened in
Denmark the only people that would post that this was "refreshing" would be
anonymous posters. Now you're backpeddling which demonstrates that you're a
less than Satanic, inconsequential boor.
> Next they'll probably
> complain that I'm an indulgent bastard, or worse.
"Indulgent" is the least of your problems.
> I've neither believed nor implied that Israel had done it. I've only noted
> that Israel would stand to gain something from it providing of course that
> Israel wouldn't be *caught* having done it.
The way I read it you clearly implied this. Considering what I do for a living,
I'm confident in my comprehension skills. Smells like more backpeddling to me.
> It wasn't *likely* that Israel
> had done it, but ruling out countries that stand to gain anything but a
> feeling of revenge when you're looking for the ones guilty of the disaster
> is a dangerous path.
While I'd like to see the people involved quickly dispatched by the most painful
means necessary, the USA is a country of laws. Politically, the worst action to
implement would be to quickly turn Afganistan into a parking lot without solid
evidence. The USA is keenly aware of international opinion and would not pursue
military action without unimpeachable evidence.
> Whoever did it, did it. Saying this openly neither lessens nor worsens the
> tragedy. Morals and the question of cowardice are in the eye of the
> beholder, as evidenced by the celebrations in some Palestine regions.
It's nice for you to condescend to our level - wolfe - and give us a lesson in
morals and cowardice. I guess this is an easy task to accomplish from a
computer in Denmark, no?
> I feel sorry for the people that lost relatives in the WTC to the same
> degree as I feel sorry for those that lose relatives as results of US
> bombings, in floodings, in earthquakes, in the numerous civil wars in
> Africa, in trafficaccidents, etc. The WTC victims don't hold a *special*
> place among those merely for being US citizens, however. If they had been
> Iraqi citizens, most of this newsgroup probably would either not have cared
> or applauded it.
Do you feel sorry for puppies getting runned over too? How's about the rabbits
that Egan claimed were killed? Hey, - wolfe -, I'm one of the few people who was
assaulted for protesting against the Gulf War. So since you lived here, why do
you see the US as some sort of political monolith? The point is that many
innocent people died, tragically. To say that this was "refreshing" is something
I'd expect to hear from the likes of anonymous posters or Egan, not you. My
apologies for overestimating your sense of tact.
> I have not implied any causality such as because the US doesn't care about,
> e.g. floodings, we shouldn't care about the US. I tried to convey the
> message that people far away can be expected to think the same about the US
> as the US thinks about people far away.
No one here expects that people in India or any other country have the same
opinion of the USA that we hold of ourselves. This is obviously axiomatic.
> The refreshing part is that the US has been behaving like it's everyone's
> policeman, behaving rather arrogantly against virtually any country in this
> world. It's only appropriate as a non-American to feel some Schadenfreude
> by watching when someone that sticks to "might is right", believing to be
> the mighty one, gets a bloody nose.
So you prefer an angry American mob to a global policeman? It's amusing that an
avowed Satanist derides a country for behaving in an arrogant manner. Sounds to
me that this reflects something more personal - wolfe -. Based on my politics, I
don't agree with much that the US has done in foreign affairs in the past sixty
years, but I don't write that it was "refreshing" to see a national tragedy. And
I don't backpeddle.
> Schadenfreude aside, it might get the US to realize that disasters are
> disasters no matter where they occur, and that the US isn't impervious to
> terrorism. Unless the US overracts on this, perhaps the US will learn that
> it's dangerous to maintain a third world.
Sure, - wolfe - disasters are tragic no matter where they occur. What I and
others take issue with is your school marmish tone and your lack of tact. In
regards to the US overreacting, well time will tell. Have you saved up some
dough for the coming recession? Do you honestly think that the US economy
tanking won't influence your lifestyle?
> As far as the US economy goes, I'm sure the rebuilding will require quite
> some work, and crushing the WTC is hardly going to take a heavier poll on
> world scale economy that previous international crises. In fact, if the US
> ramps up on its military spending as a result of the WTC, there might be
> another interesting job out there.
Most economists thought that the Gulf War would pull the US economy out of
recession -- it didn't happen. Hey - wolfe -, maybe I can reapply as a Tempest
Officer and dust off my DD-214 and get my job back at Lockheed Missiles and
Space. I always liked living in the Bay Area. There'll be lots of jobs in this
arena soon, sad to say.
> If you seriously believe this is going to impede my job opportunities, then
> I'd say you're overestimating the importance by several orders of magnitude.
You really don't know much about global economics do you, kiddo.
> Your emotions and your reason are really out of sync on this one.
>
Living in the USA, it's obvious my emotions are involved.. You've said it was
"refreshing" that this horrific event occurred and you've implied that there's a
possibility that Isreal was involved. Now you attempt to soft peddle your words.
Regards,
Harry Lime
http://www.harrylimetv.com
Jason Yuschenko
<RonJuan...@cotse.com> wrote in message
news:Um9uSnVhbg==.d218ea2ce3eea2cb55f7e0c4ff36659a@1000234915.cotse.com...
> Hail Jason!
>
> Now get ready for Wolfy to do the backpedal shuffle.
>
>
LOL .... yeah just caught some of it.
Poor emasculated basturd couldn't even hold a position.
Must suck to be him.
Take er easy,
Jason Yuschenko
William Edward Woody
> But also, like the Japanese, I think the RIF underestimate how impassioned
> we can be with violence and homicide once aroused. This is the shadow
> side of the cheerful and brash American culture; we can also be quite
> ruthless and even cruel if circumstances warrant it (and even when the
> circumstances *don't* warrant it -- just look at our murder rate). This
Oddly enough, some spokespeople in the United States have been supprised
at the suggestion of blood lust in the people here. However, it should
not come as a supprise--U.S. history is full of examples of our blood
lust once aroused.
Look at the U.S. Civil War, for example. Or the Spanish-American war's
atrocities. When the people of the United States wants blood, we want
blood.
> ... and it is the side the
> Japanese themselves discovered once the tide of war had turned. The
> Japanese Admiral Yamomato, who led the attack on Pearl Harbor, mentioned
> after his first great victory over us, that he was afraid they had
> awakened a sleeping giant. Within two years the skies over Japan were
> regularly raining incendiary bombs, plummeting into cities that were
> nothing more than raging infernos. Most people don't know this, but in
> the US military at the time, there was serious consideration being given
> to the possible necessity of extinguishing the entire Japanese culture
> (and if it had come to a ground invasion of the mainland, I think it might
> have happened).
And remember: our leaders were a moderating force. If it were up to some
of the yahoos who lived in the middle of the country, we would not have
stopped until we had engaged in a complete genocide of the Japanese
people.
There is a reason why using nuclear warheads on two civilian centers was
an acceptable alternative.
> I suspect in the coming days, we'll see Congress considering a repeal of
> its laws against assassination, and a reevaluation of prohibitions against
> its intelligence agents being involved in criminal activities. If it
> these repeals get voted through, the American mask of international
> relations will shift from Bozo the Clown to Attila the Hun in the amount
> of time it takes to say "cruise missile."
My personal feeling, based on some of the conversations I have had
around here, is that the blood lust of the United States will not be
satisfied by a simple dropping of a couple of bombs, but will only be
satisfied by the conquering and subjugation of the countries which
harbored the terrorists.
I've already heard some leaders sending up comments as "declaration of
war" and "countries harboring terrorists lost the right to
self-determination", to paraphrase a few. And, if you want support from
the American people for full out invasion and subjugation of Afganistan,
Iraq or Syria (or the dropping of a couple of small tactical nukes),
just show them the video of a 767 colliding with WTC #1, and the towers
collapsing, and the citizens of this country will cheerfully support
extinguishing a few million people in retaliation.
Thank God for political correctness. Had this been 50 years ago, most of
the Muslems in our country would have already been rounded up and placed
in internment camps "for their own protection."
--
- William Woody http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~woody
The PandaWave http://www.pandawave.com
In Phase Consulting http://www.inphase.org
People's Commissar
there was no doubt at all. The UAR are our friends, they don't support or
give shelter to terrorists. The two brothers were Arabs, UAR.
I expect there to be all kinds of mob retaliations against anyone with
something on their head that's not a cap. But the sheer amount of LACK OF
doubt on here is blowing my mind - Satanists doubt, right?. Suspect
doesn't mean guilty.
A lot of powerful people stand to benefit from this. Are any of them in
Islamic countries?
About a year ago, I posted something about the gov making a successful
terrorist attack, lots of dead for people to get raging mad about, no real
damage to strategic areas tho. The actual terrorists manage to screw up
most of their missions. But this would be the excuse needed to do something
in the Mid East - and possibly round up certain American citizens. Lots of
powerful people would stand to benefit from this.
I was not surprised AT ALL, to hear this happened. As for all those on here
who are suddenly so righteously jingoistic - I await their enlistment. Not
one year ago some of them had no problem bitching about the USA.
TJ
"Mr. Scratch" <scr...@efn.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSU.4.21.01091...@garcia.efn.org...
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Blackjack wrote:
>
> > As I posted before, I can smell a bloodlust coming that I haven't seen
> > during my lifetime. Don't know if you read this or not, but check it
out:
> > http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/congress.terrorism/ When Diane
Feinstein
> > wants blood, watch out.
>
> This is a curiosity that I was considering today; the similarity in
> attitudes toward Americans between the Radical Islamic Fundies (RIF fer
> short), and the Japanese prior to WWII.
>
> Now I don't mean to get off on a rant here...but like the pre-war
> Japanese, our culture is regarded by the RIF as one of lazy decadence.
> We use our money and influence to achieve our political objectives,
> keeping our hands clean of dirty work, while sitting back indulging
> ourselves in sex and drinks like fat playboys. The assumption, then and
> now, is that we would buckle under, once faced with the possibility of
> real bloodshed in our backyard.
>
> But also, like the Japanese, I think the RIF underestimate how impassioned
> we can be with violence and homicide once aroused. This is the shadow
> side of the cheerful and brash American culture; we can also be quite
> ruthless and even cruel if circumstances warrant it (and even when the
> circumstances *don't* warrant it -- just look at our murder rate). This
> is the side of our culture we showed the Indians, and it is the side the
> Japanese themselves discovered once the tide of war had turned. The
> Japanese Admiral Yamomato, who led the attack on Pearl Harbor, mentioned
> after his first great victory over us, that he was afraid they had
> awakened a sleeping giant. Within two years the skies over Japan were
> regularly raining incendiary bombs, plummeting into cities that were
> nothing more than raging infernos. Most people don't know this, but in
> the US military at the time, there was serious consideration being given
> to the possible necessity of extinguishing the entire Japanese culture
> (and if it had come to a ground invasion of the mainland, I think it might
> have happened).
>
> We are rather like the Romans in this: wallowing in luxurious decadence
> one moment -- but then next thing you know, we're putting the populations
> of entire cities to the sword, and salting the earth they sprung up on.
>
> I suspect in the coming days, we'll see Congress considering a repeal of
> its laws against assassination, and a reevaluation of prohibitions against
> its intelligence agents being involved in criminal activities. If it
> these repeals get voted through, the American mask of international
> relations will shift from Bozo the Clown to Attila the Hun in the amount
> of time it takes to say "cruise missile."
>
> > -- Blackjack
>
> Mr. Scratch
>
Satan
"Blackjack" <Blac...@radiofreesatan.com> wrote in message news:pnHn7.38438
"Blowing up the WTC and turning the
> Pentagon into a rhombus"
Hahhahahahahaha!
natas
>
Satan
"GUlLLOTlNA" <gulll...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I am wondering how 3-5 guys with *knives* managed to quell 90+ passengers
on
> these planes; at least half the passengers had to be male - why not more
> resistance? Seems like a stab-wound might beat whatever they had in
mind....
Well, figures you would be the first one to bring it up. I was thinkin' the
same thing the moment I heard it. Pacifist? I have another description but
I won't mention it for respect of the dead. When does any high jacking
entail the safety of the passengers or ending well? Slash me into pork
sausage...I'm dying before the plane hits anything or lands!
natas
People's Commissar
"Kevin Filan" <mrha...@excite.SPAMBGONE.com> wrote in message
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>
> "One Darkness" <orca...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> > GOD DAMN when did you get so STUPID? The people who did it, did it for
> > Allah. They BELIEVE they'll be rewarded forever in Heaven. They are
> Moslem
> > Fundamentalist fanatics. "Stand to gain" in your mind means nothing to
> > these fanatics. Their GAIN is a very different thing. Sainthood?
> Godhood?
> > Or whatever the hell they believe. What does a monk stand to gain by
> > taking vows of poverty, celibacy, and that whole bit? He believes he
has
> > Heaven to gain.
>
> We do not yet know that "Moslem fundamentalist fanatics" were responsible
> for this. I live in a city with a large Moslem population; there have
> already been incidents of violence against dark-skinned people. It is
> irresponsible to pin the blame on any group until we have more
information.
> As I said before, radical American extremists could have pulled this off
> just as easily as radical Moslems or Palestinian nationalists.
That is what I've been saying. Exactly that. And someone posted on the
idea that it could have been an inside job. I brought up the "patriot
extremists" in e-convo, not sure if it spilled on here. DOUBT until proven
absolutely. Calmly wait for the FBI to do their job.
>
> I remember Arabs and Middle Eastern people being attacked after Oklahoma
> City, and it turned out that was an American-made attack. (I doubt some
> cabdriver from Bangladesh had fuck-all to do with this in any event, but
> nobody ever accused racist mobs of clear thinking).
Ditto again. Been saying exactly the same thing.
>
> I hate to sound like I might be agreeing with Walter Alter, but I'd also
> take official reports on this one with a grain of salt. Dubya knows that
> America is going to be screaming for blood and demanding answers. He
knows
> that if they don't get answers he's going to be a one-term president just
> like Poppa Bush was. He also knows that wartime spending often does
wonders
> for a lagging economy, and that this would provide a great excuse for a
> major war.
YES.
>
> To go even further out into Walternate Reality: if this was the work of
> Osama Bin Laden, I can't help but be reminded of the Hashasheen. A dozen
> crack suicide troopers, armed only with box cutters, manage to pull off
the
> worst attack ever felt on American soil. Pearl Harbor was less than 2,500
> deaths, most of them military... this is considerably bigger than that,
> maybe by a factor of 10 or more.
The odd thing is, Osamma announces his terror - in order to make terror
(LIKE the Hashasheen did) - then he takes credit. This is not the case,
this time. The only suspects are UAR people? The UAR don't harbor
terrorists, they are our friends.
Kevin, I was not surprised by this, not at all. I posted a scenario last
year on here, got flamed for it by morons who think "black ops" are a myth.
I personally hope it's traced to the Islamic fundies because they really are
a threat to civilization - just as fundie Christianity is. I'd wipe both
out, personally. Personally? I'd have taken over their countries after our
taxes built all that oil stuff - when they decided to nationalize. I can't
speak for our org or anyone in it on any of this. We have many foreign
members - some of whom hate the USA. I DESPISE those that think "I" have
any desire or "authority" to speak for anyone else, or "chastise" anyone.
That's not how we work.
TJ
- wolf -
it refreshing to see the US get reminded that it isn't invulnerable, I
certainly mean it. So much for backpedaling.
Compared to 30,000 children starving to death each day, the WTC tragedy is
rather insignificant.
I'm far away from the tragedy, and I have no emotional ties with whoever got
killed there just like I have no emotional ties to tragedies occurring in
other countries far away. And I'm not afraid to admit it. Or flaunt it.
- wolf -
xganon
>
>
> I'm far away from the tragedy, and I have no emotional ties with whoever got
> killed there just like I have no emotional ties to tragedies occurring in
> other countries far away. And I'm not afraid to admit it. Or flaunt it.
Yes, you wear it like a frilly satin and lace dress.
Les Griswold
Who's "they"? Can you get a reference for this (about the 'plane hitting
the Pentagon)?
Les!