Jerry Pournelle, Byte, Python, and Python in a Nutshell
Ron Stephens
www.byte.com though you need to register in order to read his column.
Paul Rubin
> Jerry Pournelle hypes Python and 'Python in a Nutshell' at
> www.byte.com though you need to register in order to read his column.
The beginning of the end :-(.
Paul Boddie
Hardly. Who reads Byte any more, anyway? ;-)
Paul
Nick Vargish
> Jerry Pournelle hypes Python and 'Python in a Nutshell' at
> www.byte.com though you need to register in order to read his column.
I'm not sure this is a good thing. Byte lost all relevance about ten
years ago, though the decline had started before that.
Steve Ciarcia wherefor are thou?
Nick
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Nick Vargish
You should also mention you need to pay to register, it's not a free
registration.
Considering how MIS-oriented the print version of Byte had become, I
have no desire to pay money for access to the Web articles.
Nick
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Erik Max Francis
> I'm not sure this is a good thing. Byte lost all relevance about ten
> years ago, though the decline had started before that.
Well, then, that's just about right, isn't it? Python was first started
a little over a decade ago, and Pournelle has just picked up on it now
... :-)
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Jon Nicoll
I'm more amazed that _Jerry Pournelle_ is still writing in Byte
than anything else.
Steve Ciarcia is involved in "circuit Cellar' magazine these days.
Worth a look if you're into Hardware & Embedded stuff ...
Regards
jon N
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yaipa h.
... and still a pretty good read.
-Al
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Michael Hudson
> Nick Vargish wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure this is a good thing. Byte lost all relevance about ten
> > years ago, though the decline had started before that.
>
> Well, then, that's just about right, isn't it? Python was first started
> a little over a decade ago, and Pournelle has just picked up on it now
> ... :-)
FWIW, I first encountered Python in an article in Byte in '97,
probably this one:
http://www.byte.com/art/9702/sec5/art4.htm
Cheers,
M.
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Nick Vargish
> http://www.circuitcellar.com
Thanks to everyone who pointed it out... Good stuff.
I remember the good old days of Byte, when they would dismantle
hardware, and do block diagrams of the data flow through a
system. (They had a great in-depth look at the original Amiga, for
example.)
Oh well. Times change, magazines change. :^)
Fantasio
featuring an amazing 4 instructions set and 64 bytes of memory (or was it
256?).
Memories, memories ...
Gaston.
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Skip Montanaro
gaston> I still have a copy from 1977 with the full schematics of a TTL
gaston> computer featuring an amazing 4 instructions set and 64 bytes of
gaston> memory (or was it 256?).
I still have the beginning of the end, the two issues with the first ibmpc
(1981) and the first mac (1984) on the covers. ;-)
Skip
Warnes, Gregory R
Ho! Another old timer. I'm pretty sure I have an old 80-Micro around here
somewhere...
FWIW, I learned that you can judge the relevance (and long-term survival
prospects) by pretty accurately from pagecount. I watched 80-Micro do the
thin->thicker->mondo->thick->thin->defunct thing. Then Byte did the same
thing, now I see that 'Linux Journal' is at the 'thicker' stage...
-Greg
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:17 AM
> To: pytho...@python.org
> Subject: Re: Jerry Pournelle, Byte, Python, and Python in a Nutshell
>
>
> Nick Vargish fed this fish to the penguins on Tuesday 06 May
> 2003 12:01
> pm:
>
>
> > I'm not sure this is a good thing. Byte lost all relevance about ten
> > years ago, though the decline had started before that.
> >
> > Steve Ciarcia wherefor are thou?
> >
>
> Uhmmm.... In charge of "Circuit Cellar" magazine <G>
>
> I think Byte (and even Communications of the ACM)
> lost it when they
> stopped the focus on programming to become reviewer of the latest fad
> application. Then again, I remember when 80-Micro was twice
> the size of
> Byte <G> (And that was back when Byte was still a thick magazine).
>
>
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Boudewijn Rempt
>
> Ho! Another old timer. I'm pretty sure I have an old 80-Micro around here
> somewhere...
>
> FWIW, I learned that you can judge the relevance (and long-term survival
> prospects) by pretty accurately from pagecount. I watched 80-Micro do the
> thin->thicker->mondo->thick->thin->defunct thing. Then Byte did the same
> thing, now I see that 'Linux Journal' is at the 'thicker' stage...
And Dr. Dobbs at the second thin stage, I fear.
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Boudewijn Rempt
> If my latest issue of "Linux Journal" is at the "thicker" stage, I
> must have missed the "thin" stage (is that when they are stapled and
> folded rather than glued?)
>
Yes. But ca. 2000 or 2001, LJ was much fatter than it is now. Bloated with
silly ads from companies who yelled 'Linux is Rebellion! Join Us! Give us
Money!'.
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Jack Diederich
The death (or permanent hiatus) of Dr Ecco's Omniheurst Corner was the DDJ
turning point for me. Perl golf is a poor (and painful) substitute.
I wait patiently for the 2003 ICFP to assuage my "solve this hard problem
cleverly and first" urges.
-jack
Grant Edwards
> I remember the good old days of Byte, when they would dismantle
> hardware, and do block diagrams of the data flow through a
> system. (They had a great in-depth look at the original Amiga, for
> example.)
Yup. Byte stopped being a good magazine when the schematics and
circuit board layouts disappeared.
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> Yup. Byte stopped being a good magazine when the schematics and
> circuit board layouts disappeared.
>
Why did that happen?
What happens to a magazine that makes it stop doing
that which made it great to begin with?
Was the dissapearance of schematics and layouts a reason
or a consequence?
:-(
Remember the old heathkit catalogs?
*snif*
-gus
Skip Montanaro
>> Yup. Byte stopped being a good magazine when the schematics and
>> circuit board layouts disappeared.
gus> Why did that happen?
My guess is approximately when the IBM-PC was released. Not because you
couldn't open them up and fiddle around - many people did - but because the
market changed so dramatically. Suddenly, lots of people who didn't know a
soldering iron from a hole in the wall had personal computers, where
previously the personal computer market was dominated by hobbyists. Those
people were more corporate and less hacker-oriented that the early adopters.
I worked at Lawrence Livermore Lab about that time. One of my coworkers
(maybe it was my boss) at the time said something like, "If I was smart, I'd
quit and start writing software for PCs. That's where the money will be."
I believe LLNL considered plans (I don't know if they followed through) to
stock IBM-PCs as commodity items so it wouldn't be much more difficult to by
a PC than an Erlenmeyer flask.
Byte just followed the money. The available ad dollars were clearly
following the IBM-PC, so Byte had little choice but to point their editorial
content in that direction as well. They then entered a different market
(the commodity PC magazine market) which they couldn't dominate the way they
had dominated their original market.
Skip
Bruce Hoult
Skip Montanaro <sk...@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> Yup. Byte stopped being a good magazine when the schematics and
> >> circuit board layouts disappeared.
>
> gus> Why did that happen?
>
> My guess is approximately when the IBM-PC was released. Not because you
> couldn't open them up and fiddle around - many people did - but because the
> market changed so dramatically. Suddenly, lots of people who didn't know a
> soldering iron from a hole in the wall had personal computers, where
> previously the personal computer market was dominated by hobbyists. Those
> people were more corporate and less hacker-oriented that the early adopters.
I disagree.
The IBM PC was released in October 1981, but BYTE didn't become sh*t
until around 1988 or 1990. In fact much of their best work was well
after the PC was released e.g. the comparisons of PC vs Mac vs Amiga vs
Atari ST, or the reviews of programming languages such as Smalltalk.
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Grant Edwards
>> Yup. Byte stopped being a good magazine when the schematics and
>> circuit board layouts disappeared.
>
> Why did that happen?
IMO, there were two reasons:
1) The IBM PC and the Macintosh moved the microcomputer out of
the hobbiest market into the appliance market.
2) The increasing complexity of circuit boards (multi-layer,
surface mount, etc.), made most roll-your-own projects
either very difficult or very lame.
> Was the dissapearance of schematics and layouts a reason
> or a consequence?
Both, I think.
>:-(
>
> Remember the old heathkit catalogs?
Yup. Still have a Heathkit H-19 terminal.
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Terry Reedy
"Grant Edwards" <gra...@visi.com> wrote in message
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> > Remember the old heathkit catalogs?
>
> Yup. Still have a Heathkit H-19 terminal.
Oh gee. One of my fond childhood memories is sitting at the dining
table 'helping' my father assemble Heathkits. (I was fine at
separating resistors from capacitors ;-).
TJR
Bengt Richter
[...]
[OT] Are old mags and journals worth anything? I have tons (almost literally ;-)
of old Bytes, DrDobbs, ACM Communications, SigPlan, SigOps, IEEE Computer, etc. etc.
which I'd like to dispose of without feeling like I've thrown away money or
something of value to someone.
Regards,
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David Broadwell
"Bengt Richter" <bo...@oz.net> wrote in message
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> [OT] Are old mags and journals worth anything? I have tons (almost
literally ;-)
> of old Bytes, DrDobbs, ACM Communications, SigPlan, SigOps, IEEE Computer,
etc. etc.
> which I'd like to dispose of without feeling like I've thrown away money
or
> something of value to someone.
Hm, E-bay?
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Terry Smith
There was a lot I didn't know then... :-)
My all time fav article from Byte was a two parter on the alpha beta
technique for searching game trees - written in Basic. VERY
educational.
Can anyone point me at that, I'd love to read it again!
Tim Roberts
>
>>[OT] Are old mags and journals worth anything? I have tons (almost literally ;-)
>>of old Bytes, DrDobbs, ACM Communications, SigPlan, SigOps, IEEE Computer, etc. etc.
>>which I'd like to dispose of without feeling like I've thrown away money or
>>something of value to someone.
I have every Byte ever printed. I was a charter subscriber back in
September, 1975 (first tag line: "Computers: The World's Greatest Toys!"),
and I kept the subscription until they collapsed.
I keep thinking they'll be worth money some day, but I suspect I'm
dreaming.
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