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The Devil's Advocate©

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Jun 25, 2002, 12:03:11 AM6/25/02
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My typical routine at around 3:00 in the afternoon is to fire up
Itunes and listen to some of the best underground electronica out
there. I go to connect then find out that the motherfucking RIAA has
shut them all down! We aren't talking about mp3 downloads, just
goddamned streaming radio! The RIAA is extorting webcasters for $500 a
day for broadcasting. Like these music/computer hobbyist are making
big money off this. It's such utter bullshit. I hate these bastards!
They don't realize how much fun it makes work to have cool music at
your desk to listen to. The greedy bastards don't care about making
life easier for millions of people at their 9-5 jobs, they just want
to extort every damn cent they can.

Go to www.saveinternetradio.org and see if you can help the cause.

Unfortunately they have multi-billion dollar money backing them. We
have little. But the good thing is that we have technology on our
side. We will someday soon have a file-swapping program just as good
as napster was at its height that will be 100% decentralized. Then we
can watch the greedy bastards really sweat. I'm sure some whizkid is
in his basement working on it as I speak.

RC

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Jun 25, 2002, 12:47:27 AM6/25/02
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"The Devil's Advocate©" <NOJUNKsh...@excite.com> wrote in message
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Exactly why I haven't bought any CD's for the last six months. Normally I
buy 3 to 4 a month. It's also why I have no problem using my nice broadband
internet connection to share MP3's.


Iain McLeod

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Jun 26, 2002, 1:58:37 AM6/26/02
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On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 04:03:11 GMT, The Devil's Advocate©
<NOJUNKsh...@excite.com> wrote:

>My typical routine at around 3:00 in the afternoon is to fire up
>Itunes and listen to some of the best underground electronica out
>there. I go to connect then find out that the motherfucking RIAA has
>shut them all down! We aren't talking about mp3 downloads, just
>goddamned streaming radio! The RIAA is extorting webcasters for $500 a
>day for broadcasting.

> I'm sure some whizkid is in his basement working on it as I speak.

That's me...and I've been working on a solution to this little problem
for a while now.

It's a new p2p app I'm calling 'Streamer', and it works by relaying
streaming mp3 data from one pc to another, instead of all the
listeners connecting to a central server like in conventional net
radio. The idea of this is to make it untraceable, and therefore carp
and riaa proof.

It's not completely untraceable yet, although it would still be quite
difficult, because each host in the network doesn't reveal any info
about where it is getting it's signal from, or who it is being
forwarded to.

Using a relay system also means that you don't need big servers, and
there is no limit to the number of listeners. It is theoretically
possible for a 56k modem to broadcast to a million people.

It uses a decentralised network to collect IP's of other hosts, and to
collect ID's of broadcasting 'stations', but uses minimal passive
bandwidth, 100 bytes/sec or so, so it's ok for modems too.

Currently it's still being developed, and doesn't have many of the
'stealth' features I have planned for it. (using strings of trusted
anonymous relays before the signal becomes 'public' on the network,
etc).

But it is useable, ready and waiting for you to start broadcasting. It
seems very popular amongst testers for the impending new hobby of
'broadcasting your tunes to your mates' too ;-). get on the aair.

I was prompted to release it now because of what the riaa did to
audiogalaxy, and I didn't even know what carp had done untill a couple
of days ago. And it's not about royalties at all really, it's about
the riaa closing down their competition, denying any access to music
they don't 'own'. Same with audiogalaxy.

BUT I NEED TESTERS!. Seriously people, if you are pissed off at what
the riaa is doing, then HELP!, don't just whinge, you can actually
fight these b*****s. Out of 30M ex- Audiogalaxy users, I managed to
recruit 4(!), for about 20 mins each. Divided we fall, & all that. We
can do better than that.

You can even help by just running streamer on your pc in the
background without listening to anything. It makes the network more
stable, and harder to trace. Some help from coders would be usefull
too.

I want to spread the word, get this thing popular.
I bet they haven't even though something like this is possible yet,
just like napster was an unpleasant suprise for them. I want this to
be a 'WTF!' situation when they find out, hehehe.

With a bit of work, this thing could 'stream' files too...upload
things to a million people at once. (Anyone from centropy reading
this?), and stream other types of media too.

Get it here:
www.chaotica.u-net.com/page/streamer.htm
email me: ia...@ZZZZ.chaotica.u-net.com (remove the ZZZZ)
icq: 32952155

It's 'pirate radio for the digital age'
(if you are a journo, that's the soundbyte for this story)

Spread the word please!


P.S. 'Democracy' in the US seems rather unwell, when a group of
lawyers can override the wishes of 30M people. Shouldn't a country's
laws reflect the wishes it's population ?
Iain
ia...@zzz.chaotica.u-net.com (remove the z's)
www.chaotica.u-net.com for asteroids on acid
www.chaotica.u-net.com/page/streamer.htm for Streamer 'pirate net radio'

Just Allan

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Jun 26, 2002, 9:52:05 AM6/26/02
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On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 05:58:37 GMT, no.spam...@Im.vegetarian (Iain
McLeod) wrote:

>Using a relay system also means that you don't need big servers, and
>there is no limit to the number of listeners. It is theoretically
>possible for a 56k modem to broadcast to a million people.

Um... If this is possible, why doesn't the entire Internet work this
way? There'd be no need for (supposed) high speed connections.

>I was prompted to release it now because of what the riaa did to
>audiogalaxy, and I didn't even know what carp had done untill a couple
>of days ago. And it's not about royalties at all really, it's about
>the riaa closing down their competition, denying any access to music
>they don't 'own'. Same with audiogalaxy.

Oh - they'll find a way to close it down - when it gets popular
enough. Unless of course you make it open source and don't attach
your name/website/etc to it. (Or base it on a site in russia I
guess.)

>I want to spread the word, get this thing popular.
>I bet they haven't even though something like this is possible yet,
>just like napster was an unpleasant suprise for them. I want this to
>be a 'WTF!' situation when they find out, hehehe.

Since they could just sue any company using the program, not many
commerical stations will use it. Shame really.

>P.S. 'Democracy' in the US seems rather unwell, when a group of
>lawyers can override the wishes of 30M people. Shouldn't a country's
>laws reflect the wishes it's population ?
>Iain

Considering most fanatical moslems want to introduce all Western
society to genocide... No.

Allan.

Iain McLeod

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Jun 26, 2002, 9:25:43 PM6/26/02
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On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:52:05 +1000, Just Allan
<just...@COLDhotmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 05:58:37 GMT, no.spam...@Im.vegetarian (Iain
>McLeod) wrote:
>
>>Using a relay system also means that you don't need big servers, and
>>there is no limit to the number of listeners. It is theoretically
>>possible for a 56k modem to broadcast to a million people.
>
>Um... If this is possible, why doesn't the entire Internet work this
>way? There'd be no need for (supposed) high speed connections.

Because the net was designed to do one-on-one connections, and not
broadcasts. Usually 1 pc connects to 1 server to get something. The
net does have something called 'multicast', where a data packet can be
sent to several other pc's at once. It's not used yet though.

>>I was prompted to release it now because of what the riaa did to
>>audiogalaxy, and I didn't even know what carp had done untill a couple
>>of days ago. And it's not about royalties at all really, it's about
>>the riaa closing down their competition, denying any access to music
>>they don't 'own'. Same with audiogalaxy.
>
>Oh - they'll find a way to close it down - when it gets popular
>enough. Unless of course you make it open source and don't attach
>your name/website/etc to it. (Or base it on a site in russia I
>guess.)

It works a bit like Gnutella, decentralised. No central servers for
the lawyers to target. And it could well go open source, but not
untill it's more finished and stable. Everyone knows nullsoft made
gnutella, and they are in the US.

>>I want to spread the word, get this thing popular.
>>I bet they haven't even though something like this is possible yet,
>>just like napster was an unpleasant suprise for them. I want this to
>>be a 'WTF!' situation when they find out, hehehe.
>
>Since they could just sue any company using the program, not many
>commerical stations will use it. Shame really.

That's why I'm describing it as 'pirate radio'. It's intended more for
the non-corporate broadcasters the riaa is trying to kill, no company
to sue, just 'underground' broadcasters, bedroom DJ's & so on. The few
big commercial broadcasters who can afford the riaa's fees don't need
this.

>>P.S. 'Democracy' in the US seems rather unwell, when a group of
>>lawyers can override the wishes of 30M people. Shouldn't a country's
>>laws reflect the wishes it's population ?
>>Iain
>
>Considering most fanatical moslems want to introduce all Western
>society to genocide... No.

Are you seriously saying the existence of fanatical muslims is a
legitemate reason for ordinary US citizens to have almost no say in
the running of their country?. Or is it just a troll?

Just Allan

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Jun 27, 2002, 12:08:17 PM6/27/02
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!? Um... I'm lost - I think my answer is "no".

Allan.

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