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j4k3

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Aug 23, 2003, 12:44:31 AM8/23/03
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I don't know if this has been posted before but I would like to know
which RA schools are offering Distance Learning programs in
Information Technology. RA universities like Old Dominion University
and the like. Any info will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Rich Douglas

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Aug 23, 2003, 6:49:03 AM8/23/03
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Dozens and dozens. I would suggest you go to www.degreeinfo.com, which has
a section dedicated to IT degrees, along with several regular posters who
can help you. Post the kind of degree, level, type of study, etc. and you
should get some solid answers.

Another source is Bears' Guide to the Best Computer Degrees by Distance
Learning, co-authored by John Bear, Mariah Bear, and Larry McQueary. It
should be available in most library systems, or for purchase online.

Hope this helps.


--
Rich Douglas
BA (Sociology), The University of the State of New York
BS (Business), The University of the State of New York
MBA, National University
Ph.D. (Nontraditional Higher Education), Union Institute and University


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Airborne_Ranger

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Aug 23, 2003, 9:30:28 AM8/23/03
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And of course, Rich neglected, in his best tradition, to mention that
his connections stand to gain financially from your visit to the site
and yuour pourchase of the book. :)

Shame he simply can't give good advice without trying to put his hand
in your pocket.

Dave A

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Rich Douglas

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Aug 23, 2003, 1:12:22 PM8/23/03
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I think the authors of the book will earn, collectively, less than a dollar
if you buy it. But please note that I also suggested borrowing it from a
library.

I, of course, have no financial interest in either the book or the
www.degreeinfo.com site. (The site is free to register and use, as hundreds
do.)

If the criterion for making a recommendation is that no one should gain
financially from following it, then one could never recommend a book,
website, or--especially--a school. Someone's going to get paid somewhere.
Just not me. No conflict of interest there.


--
Rich Douglas
BA (Sociology), The University of the State of New York
BS (Business), The University of the State of New York
MBA, National University
Ph.D. (Nontraditional Higher Education), Union Institute and University


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Dennis Ruhl

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Aug 23, 2003, 2:12:01 PM8/23/03
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Airborne_Ranger wrote:
> *And of course, Rich neglected, in his best tradition, to mention

> that
> his connections stand to gain financially from your visit to the
> site
> and yuour pourchase of the book.
> *

Whatcha on? Can I have some?

Rich profits by someone visiting Chip's website or buying John's
book????

Airborne has had problems since he fell out of that helicopter in
Mogadishu.

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Rich Douglas

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Aug 23, 2003, 6:20:54 PM8/23/03
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It ain't business, Dennis, it's personal. How it can possibly be personal
when we don't know each other, I can only guess. It has something to do
with the faceless nature of the internet.


--
Rich Douglas
BA (Sociology), The University of the State of New York
BS (Business), The University of the State of New York
MBA, National University
Ph.D. (Nontraditional Higher Education), Union Institute and University


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chris

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Aug 23, 2003, 7:22:37 PM8/23/03
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I have an MS in clinical psychology (via distance learning of cource) and
I firmly believe that the anonymous nature of the internet elicits
psychopathology. One need simply observe the behavior of certain persons
on this newsgroup and the attacks directed by them towards Rich and John
Bear to realize this. The whole thing reeks of emotional instability on
certain persons parts.

In article <VMR1b.13492$uh6.4164@lakeread05>, hrpr...@yahoo.com says...

Airborne_Ranger

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Aug 23, 2003, 8:36:22 PM8/23/03
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Rich said: "How it can possibly be personal when we don't know each

other, I can only guess."

You really have a massive integrity problem Rich. Did you learn that
as an Air Force enlisted - deny until faced with evidence? :)

Rich said: "It has something to do with the faceless nature of the
internet."

It has something to do with Rich libeling me. And then tap-dancing
about it. Again, the integrity issue. :)

Dave A

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Thomas Nixon

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Aug 23, 2003, 9:23:39 PM8/23/03
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Airborne_Ranger wrote:

>Rich said: "How it can possibly be personal when we don't know each
>other, I can only guess."
>
>You really have a massive integrity problem Rich. Did you learn that
>as an Air Force enlisted - deny until faced with evidence? :)
>
>Rich said: "It has something to do with the faceless nature of the
>internet."
>
>It has something to do with Rich libeling me. And then tap-dancing
>about it. Again, the integrity issue. :)
>
>Dave A
>
>

If he's libeling you, perhaps you should consider a legal recourse. I'm
sure your attorney could track Rich down quite easily.

I should mention that Rich would likely have much interest in the
discovery process. Not a problem for you, I'm sure.


Tom

Rich Douglas

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Aug 24, 2003, 8:02:34 AM8/24/03
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Actually, Dave dropped the name of a law firm once when threatening me. I
called them, offering to participate in any way I could. They said they'd
heard of him and thought he was a, well, you know. They declined to pursue
the matter.


--
Rich Douglas
BA (Sociology), The University of the State of New York
BS (Business), The University of the State of New York
MBA, National University
Ph.D. (Nontraditional Higher Education), Union Institute and University


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Duggle Ass

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Aug 24, 2003, 10:24:08 PM8/24/03
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"Rich Douglas" <hrpr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<iEH1b.13425$uh6.9708@lakeread05>...

> Dozens and dozens. I would suggest you go to www.degreeinfo.com, which has
> a section dedicated to IT degrees, along with several regular posters who
> can help you. Post the kind of degree, level, type of study, etc. and you
> should get some solid answers.
>
> Another source is Bears' Guide to the Best Computer Degrees by Distance
> Learning, co-authored by John Bear, Mariah Bear, and Larry McQueary. It
> should be available in most library systems, or for purchase online.
>
> Hope this helps.

As mentioned by another poster, Doctor Douglas has a special
relationship with John Bear. In particular, Doctor Douglas earned his
Ph.D. from the Union Institute, a bottom-of-the-rung institution.
John Bear, one of the co-authors whose book Doctor Douglas recommends,
is a friend of his who also sat on his committee. He got right
through the program and earned..oops...I mean he somehow managed to
end up with a Ph.D.

Doctor Douglas is well-known, here, for his endorsement of a degree
mill named MIGS (check the archives), and had also been paid to mentor
a student at the unaccredited Greenwich University.

It is my hope that Doctor Douglas would kindly outline to others his
relationship with John Bear, prior to making people spend their money.

Duggle Ass

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Aug 24, 2003, 10:39:01 PM8/24/03
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"Rich Douglas" <hrpr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<FfN1b.13454$uh6.6452@lakeread05>...

> I think the authors of the book will earn, collectively, less than a dollar
> if you buy it. But please note that I also suggested borrowing it from a
> library.
>
> I, of course, have no financial interest in either the book or the
> www.degreeinfo.com site. (The site is free to register and use, as hundreds
> do.)
>
> If the criterion for making a recommendation is that no one should gain
> financially from following it, then one could never recommend a book,
> website, or--especially--a school. Someone's going to get paid somewhere.
> Just not me. No conflict of interest there.

Here, Doctor Douglas utilized 3 paragraphs to justify his
recommendation for his friend's book, who, incidentally, was on his
Ph.D. committee at Union, and got him right through the program.

Although Doctor Douglas has a valid point in pointing out that he
gains nothing financially, and hence his term "no conflict of
interest", he misses a few important points.

For one, a gain needs not be measurable, like money. In this case,
Doctor Douglas returns the favor, and wins further appreciation points
by John Bear, by recommending others to buy the Bears' Guide.

Sadly, such a "special relationship" of the two is often not expressed
by Doctor Douglas.

Duggle Ass

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Aug 24, 2003, 10:58:29 PM8/24/03
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savage...@yahoo.com (Airborne_Ranger) wrote in message news:<7e2d1aad.03082...@posting.google.com>...

> Rich said: "How it can possibly be personal when we don't know each
> other, I can only guess."
>
> You really have a massive integrity problem Rich. Did you learn that
> as an Air Force enlisted - deny until faced with evidence? :)
>
> Rich said: "It has something to do with the faceless nature of the
> internet."
>
> It has something to do with Rich libeling me. And then tap-dancing
> about it. Again, the integrity issue. :)
>
> Dave A

Dave,

Doctor Douglas' various tap-dances seem typical of tier-4 Ph.D's. He
doesn't get enough attention and would like to believe that those who
disagrees with his views are there for a reason.

This lack of attention comes largely from having a seemingly
limited-utility doctorate, despite proper accreditation. Of course,
we know that Doctor Douglas's doctorate is likely to limit his option
to secure a lecturing position at well-known colleges, and that his
unpublished thesis is not getting much attention from his peers. In a
word, his much touted research and Ph.D. have done almost jack all for
him. A sad case, indeed.

The result, is a paranoid individual who believes he is the center of
attention and is constantly being "stocked," "attacked," and other
nonsense.
I would hate to see Doctor Douglas to be engaged in such a
self-defeating act, or to turn into a schizophrenic, in which the
repeatitive imaginary voices of "mom, I got hired by UCLA as an
assistant professor," may be a scary aftermath.

chris

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Aug 25, 2003, 9:25:05 AM8/25/03
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In article <e09fcd03.03082...@posting.google.com>,
duggl...@hotmail.com says...

> It is my hope that Doctor Douglas would kindly outline to others his
> relationship with John Bear, prior to making people spend their money.

And I for one hope you would shut up! Your online crusade is an utter
waste of bandwidth. BEsides you are making a fool of yourself!

Dennis Ruhl

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Aug 25, 2003, 11:14:31 AM8/25/03
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Duggle Ass wrote:
> *

> For one, a gain needs not be measurable, like money. In this case,
> Doctor Douglas returns the favor, and wins further appreciation
> points
> by John Bear, by recommending others to buy the Bears' Guide.
>
> Sadly, such a "special relationship" of the two is often not
> expressed
> by Doctor Douglas.
> *


Mr Ass

And maybe if you had a friend - sorry - too unlikely to even mention.

Duggle Ass

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Aug 25, 2003, 5:34:36 PM8/25/03
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chris <cla...@volstate.net> wrote in message news:<MPG.19b1c1433...@news.volstate.net>...

> I have an MS in clinical psychology (via distance learning of cource) and
> I firmly believe that the anonymous nature of the internet elicits
> psychopathology. One need simply observe the behavior of certain persons
> on this newsgroup and the attacks directed by them towards Rich and John
> Bear to realize this. The whole thing reeks of emotional instability on
> certain persons parts.

Fuck you. If you do have an MS in clinical psychology, you wouldn't
be making any kinds of diagonsis over the internet.

Heard of DSM-IV?

Another fucking idiot.

Rose Bear

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Aug 25, 2003, 9:13:25 PM8/25/03
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Duggle Ass wrote:
> *savage...@yahoo.com (Airborne_Ranger) wrote in message
> news:<7e2d1aad.03082...@posting.google.com>...
> > Rich said: "How it can possibly be personal when we don't know

> each
> > other, I can only guess."
> >
> > You really have a massive integrity problem Rich. Did you learn
> that
> > as an Air Force enlisted - deny until faced with evidence? :)
> >
>
> Wait the f*** up a minute! Savage Swede the Airborne Ranger accuses
> Rich (Douglas?) the Air Force guy of earning to remain in denial
> until confronted with evidence? How do you know he didn't learn to
> deny until faced with evidence from, perhaps, law school, or a good
> lawyer friend, or perhaps from a good dose of common sense?
>
> > Rich said: "It has something to do with the faceless nature of the
> > internet."
>
> I doubt it. Maybe Duggle Ass would be just as psychopathic in person
> as over the Net.
>
> >
> > It has something to do with Rich libeling me. And then tap-dancing
> > about it. Again, the integrity issue. :)
> >
> > Dave A
>
> Dave,
>
> Doctor Douglas' various tap-dances seem typical of tier-4 Ph.D's.
> He
> doesn't get enough attention and would like to believe that those
> who
> disagrees with his views are there for a reason.
>
> This lack of attention comes largely from having a seemingly
> limited-utility doctorate, despite proper accreditation. Of course,
> we know that Doctor Douglas's doctorate is likely to limit his
> option
> to secure a lecturing position at well-known colleges, and that his
> unpublished thesis is not getting much attention from his peers. In
> a
> word, his much touted research and Ph.D. have done almost jack all
> for
> him. A sad case, indeed.
>
> Doctor Dray's dead! He's locked in my basement! - Eminem, Slim Shady,
> Marshall Mathers
>
>
> The result, is a paranoid individual who believes he is the center
> of
> attention and is constantly being "stocked,"
>
> "Stocked?" or "stalked?" - Learn to spell, asshole, it'll make a
> difference in your meaning!
>
> "attacked," and other
> nonsense.
> I would hate to see Doctor Douglas to be engaged in such a
> self-defeating act, or to turn into a schizophrenic, in which the
> repeatitive imaginary voices of "mom, I got hired by UCLA as an
> assistant professor," may be a scary aftermath.
>
>
>
> >
> > "Rich Douglas" <hrpr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<VMR1b.13492$uh6.4164@lakeread05>...[color=green]

> > > It ain't business, Dennis, it's personal. How it can possibly be
> personal
> > > when we don't know each other, I can only guess. It has
> something to do
> > > with the faceless nature of the internet.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rich Douglas
> > > BA (Sociology), The University of the State of New York
> > > BS (Business), The University of the State of New York
> > > MBA, National University
> > > Ph.D. (Nontraditional Higher Education), Union Institute and
> University
> > >
> > >
> > > "Dennis Ruhl" <Dennis.R...@email.onlinecollege.info> wrote
> in message
> > >
> news:Dennis.R...@email.onlinecollege.info...[color=darkred]

> > > >
> > > > Airborne_Ranger wrote:
> > > > > *And of course, Rich neglected, in his best tradition, to
> mention
> > > > > that
> > > > > his connections stand to gain financially from your visit to
> the
> > > > > site
> > > > > and yuour pourchase of the book.
> > > > > *
> > > >
> > > > Whatcha on? Can I have some?
> > > >
> > > > Rich profits by someone visiting Chip's website or buying
> John's
> > > > book????
> > > >
> > > > Airborne has had problems since he fell out of that helicopter
> in
> > > > Mogadishu.
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > View this thread:
> http://www.online-college.info/article1055.html
> > > > Dennis[/color]
> >
> Ruhl------------------------------------------------------------------------[color=darkred]
> > > > Dennis Ruhl's Profile:[/color]
> > http://tinyurl.com/l66v[color=darkred]
> > > >[/color][/color] *

Can we cut the ad hominem here? Is there a difference between Duggle
Ass and Douglas? Who slandered whom here? Let's get back to
nontraditional education! Of course, if one wishes to write one's EdD
dissertation on the issue of allowing mentally unbalanced individuals
onto online distance learning fora, you've just hit the jackpot!!!

Rose Bear------------------------------------------------------------------------
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chris

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Aug 26, 2003, 12:24:32 AM8/26/03
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I gave no diagnosis. I merely comment on how the anonymous nature of the
internet elicits psychopathological behavior. Your response is an
example.

Oh the the latest revision is the "DSM-IV TR" thank you very much!

James Clifton

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Aug 26, 2003, 1:52:14 AM8/26/03
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Hi, Chris,

If you don't mind my asking where did you get your master's in clinical
psych? I am curious, that's all. Psychology is an interest of mine.
Do you like the Text Revision? I always liked the DSM-III the best but
the TR at least acknowledges cultural perceptions. Have you ever read
-They Say You're Crazy- by Paula Caplan, Ph.D.? It's a stinging
indictment on the whole DSM culture.

James Clifton

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chris

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Aug 26, 2003, 1:59:31 AM8/26/03
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Hello

I received my MS from Concordia University Wisconsin. They are a school
affiliated with the Lutheran Church. Of course my degree was in the
distance learning format. Concordia no longer offers an MS in clinical
psychology. I believe they now offer a Counseling degree of some sort.
The interesting thing about Concordia's program was the fact that they
required a *ton* of essay writing. Furthermore, they required me to
evaluate and *synthesize* the information I was studying in each course
module. The theory being that to truly understand material one must be
in a position to evaluate and synthesize knowledge gained in terms of
other information gathered. I found this type of DL much harder than
traditional learning because I had to expend a greater degree of effort.
I suppose this is how I paid for the convenience of DL I am the sort of
guy who can attend the lectures, do the midterm and final, write a decent
paper and get an A with relatively little difficulty. Distance learning
was much harder because I worked a lot harder. I am planning on getting
my Ph.D. at Fielding via distance learning since it is both APA and RA
approved.

As far as the DSM is concerned, I use it every working day in my job. I
am a crisis intervention counselor and I do diagnostic work with the DSM-
IV all day (and night) long. Here is my take on it. It is useful for
nomenclature purposes and for giving the various psyche professions a
common language. *However* as a scientific text, as a standard of
scholarly excellence it is an utter failure. If you can get a copy of
the old DSM-III look at the studies on interrater reliability data in the
back. Those r values are very low. Thereby indicating the diagnostic
categories are problematic to say the least. Interesting Spitzer et. al
did not include that data in the appendices of later editions. There is
also the issue of how the text has been hijacked by the forces of
political correctness. I like the idea of the passive-aggressive
personality disorder. However, it is not politically correct as was
thereby removed. Also, very few Ph.D. level psychologists were involved
in the DSM, it is almost entirely an MD creation. Consequently, it shares
the flaws of the "medical model" of psychopathology. The most clinically
useful DSM is the DSM-II, of which I have an old and torn copy. I have
never read the book you mention, but I suspect I would enjoy it!

In article <James.Cli...@email.onlinecollege.info>,
James.Cli...@email.onlinecollege.info says...

James Clifton

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Aug 26, 2003, 10:04:55 AM8/26/03
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Nice "meeting" you Chris. You sound like your take on the DSM process
is similar to mine. I am not a "medical model" person. I simply do
not believe in nor accept biopsychiatry. I like the theories of Horney
and Sullivan, like Glasser and believe CBT (Aaron Beck) is the best of
the best. I think the DSM process has become too political. I
remember many years ago there was some discussion about including
Comparitive-Competitive Personality Disorder but it never made it. I
believe the only real d/o's are the substance abuse ones and the
Adjustment D/O's. I do like he "V" codes but they really serve no
purpose other than making the clinician feel better about him/herself
when having to give "insurance purpose" d/o's.
The only real clinical work I enjoy is in the field off addictions.
The ASAM TX plan is excellent and works well with CBT. Thanks for the
dialogue. I looked into Fielding at one time but it was really
esxpensive at that time. I am sure it's even more so now.

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Rose Bear

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Aug 26, 2003, 10:12:03 AM8/26/03
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Duggle Ass wrote:
> *chris <cla...@volstate.net> wrote in message

> news:<MPG.19b1c1433...@news.volstate.net>...
> > I have an MS in clinical psychology (via distance learning of
> cource) and
> > I firmly believe that the anonymous nature of the internet elicits
> > psychopathology. One need simply observe the behavior of certain
> persons
> > on this newsgroup and the attacks directed by them towards Rich and
> John
> > Bear to realize this. The whole thing reeks of emotional
> instability on
> > certain persons parts.
>
> Fuck you. If you do have an MS in clinical psychology, you wouldn't
> be making any kinds of diagonsis over the internet.
>
> Heard of DSM-IV?
>
> Another fucking idiot.
>
> ***** Well, Will Smith don't have to cuss in his rap, so fuck him and
> fuck you, too! - Eminem, Slim Shady, and Marshall Mathers *****
>
> ***** I am Fat Shady, I'm fat, I'm back! I am Fat Shady, I'm fat, and
> I wannabe black! - Anonymous Ex-Designated Rappa, Taco Hell*****
>
> By the way, who was diagnosing whom as an idiot? Mind you, it's been
> a long time since Harry Tiemann's PSY 121 class (Fall 1980, I
> believe) or Kent Thompson's PSY 122 class (Spring 1981, I believe) or
> Harry Tiemann's PSY 210 class (Fall 1981, I believe) and, moreover, I
> am not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist or psychotherapist or
> Christian counselor or other allegedly expert noodle-straightener,
> merely a man who took three psych class nearly a quarter-century ago,
> so check with a real psychodoctor to see if I managed to get my facts
> (or was that fatcs?) straight. But, if I remember correctly, an idiot
> is one who will never progress beyond a mental age of seven. Also, I
> have no law degree either but you might ask someone who has actually
> doctored the law whether one needs to actually take money in order to
> be guilty of practicing medicine (or law) without a license. BHut, it
> seems to me, there is some distinction, is there not, between asking
> intelligent questions of your doctor of law or your doctor of
> medicine or doctor of whatever.
>
> HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO?????????
> Is anybody in there?
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > In article <VMR1b.13492$uh6.4164@lakeread05>, hrpr...@yahoo.com
> says...[color=green]

> > > It ain't business, Dennis, it's personal. How it can possibly be
> personal
> > > when we don't know each other, I can only guess. It has
> something to do
> > > with the faceless nature of the internet.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rich Douglas
> > > BA (Sociology), The University of the State of New York
> > > BS (Business), The University of the State of New York
> > > MBA, National University
> > > Ph.D. (Nontraditional Higher Education), Union Institute and
> University
> > >
> > >
> > > "Dennis Ruhl" <Dennis.R...@email.onlinecollege.info> wrote
> in message
> > >
> news:Dennis.R...@email.onlinecollege.info...[color=darkred]

> > > >
> > > > Airborne_Ranger wrote:
> > > > > *And of course, Rich neglected, in his best tradition, to
> mention
> > > > > that
> > > > > his connections stand to gain financially from your visit to
> the
> > > > > site
> > > > > and yuour pourchase of the book.
> > > > > *
> > > >
> > > > Whatcha on? Can I have some?
> > > >
> > > > Rich profits by someone visiting Chip's website or buying
> John's
> > > > book????
> > > >
>
> Really? Another individual debased by an educational system so
> inferior that it does not even teach its young the very economic that
> they will have to live in. If I remember Prof. Arosteguy's (or was
> that Astroguy's?) ECON 201 class (possibly Fall 1982? maybe Fall
> 1981?), there are four factors of production (things you can put into
> the economy, possibly in hopes that you might get something out of
> it): labor, land, capital, and entrepreneurial skills. There are four
> other things, I forget the fancy high-falutin' college words for it,
> but, basically, there are four ways of getting paid: wages, rents,
> interest, and profits. Well, looky here!
>
> Could it possibly be that, if you are a poor man and your only
> property is your labor power, you can sell your body to a morally
> bankrupt capitalistic system, essentially giving the boss the right
> to keep you in a jail called work (where you can be kept away from a
> family that loves you) for forty or so hours a week and receive
> wages? Yes, you, too, canm get fucked for money!!! therefrom?
>
> Could it possibly be that, if you save up your shekels and buy some
> land (difficult to do on the subpoverty level wages and job
> insecurity most of us in the real world have to put up with), you may
> use that land to build a house of your own and house your family, but
> if you get so much land you don't know what to do with it all (maybe
> Rich Daddy died and left you some land), you might let other people
> used your excess land, if they pay you money called rent?
>
> Could it possibly be that, if you have saved up even more shekels and
> your best friend tells you that, if he only had a measly $35,000 -
> which he does not have on his kitchen table, but maybe you do - he
> could start his own business and make lots and lots of money, and if
> you were smart enough to actually read his business plan, and you
> loaned him money, would you not feel that, as a provider of capital,
> you should have the right to not just the return of your original
> monies but interest income too? And maybe you might want some share
> of the profits, too - after all, you just put up money, didn't you?
>
> Could it possibly be that, if you found a need and were ready to fill
> it, if only you could get your mitts on a little venture capital, if
> you were to present your business plan to lenders and investors, you
> just might think that you deserved to be paid in profits because
> you're the skilled entrepreneurial studmiffin who organized the
> labor, the land, and the capital into this new business and now you
> feel you've earned the right to be the captain of your own ship?
>
> The moral in all this is that we're all just people tryin' to
> survive, sellin' whatever we've got left to sell.
>
> "Tryin' to survive, In the ghetto ..." - Too Short
>
>
> > > > Airborne has had problems since he fell out of that helicopter
> in
> > > > Mogadishu.
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > View this thread:
> http://www.online-college.info/article1055.html
> > > > Dennis[/color]
> >
> Ruhl------------------------------------------------------------------------[color=darkred]
> > > > Dennis Ruhl's Profile:[/color]
> > http://tinyurl.com/l66v[color=darkred]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >[/color][/color] *

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James Clifton

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"Tryin' to survive, *In the ghetto* ..." - Too Short

Great Elvis song. A little social engineering will fix it all, ha!

James Clifton

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Aug 26, 2003, 11:53:12 AM8/26/03
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Rose Bear wrote:
> *AMEN, BROTHER!
>
> YES, "IN THE GHETTO" WAS ONCE A GREAT ELVIS SONG, FOR THOSE OF YOU
> WHO IDENTIFY WITH THE 1950S.
>
> [b]I see there is a generational difference. Elvis' song came out in
> 1969, however.*
>
> I, TED HEIKS, THE "TEDDY BEAR" WANNABE, HOLD THE BA IN HISTORY &
> POLITICAL SCIENCE FROM WESTERN STATE COLLEGE OF COLORADO, TWO MBA
> DEGREES, ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND MARKETING, FROM CITY UNIVERSITY OF
> WASHINGTON, AND AM CURRENTLY PURSUING AN MA IN HUMANITIES FROM
> CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITY AT DOMINGUEZ HILLS AND AN MA IN CIVIL WAR
> STUDIES FROM AMERICAN MILITARY UNIVERSITY. NOW MAYBE DUGGLE ASS WILL
> CONFESS TO HIS TRUE IDENTITY AND THE SOURCE OF HIS PSEUDOEDUCATION,
> IF HE HAS ANY. [/B]


*My, are you busy or what? Good luck with your educational pursuits
and endeavors. I like "going to school" and learning. This time I
hope to make better choices. I think I have made a good choice with
CCHS. One of the SA schools will be a good choice also.*

Rose Bear

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Aug 26, 2003, 11:33:27 AM8/26/03
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James Clifton wrote:
> *"Tryin' to survive, [b]In the ghetto* ..." - Too Short
>
> Great Elvis song. A little social engineering will fix it all, ha!
> [/B]

AMEN, BROTHER!

FOR STARTERS, I AM NOT ROSE BEAR! I AM HER HUBAND, TED HEIKS. I HAVE
EVERY RIGHT TO USE BEARHE...@YAHOO.COM, JUST AS SHE HAS EVERY RIGHT
TO BE USING TLH...@AOL.COM.

YES, "IN THE GHETTO" WAS ONCE A GREAT ELVIS SONG, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO

IDENTIFY WITH THE 1950S. BUT I IDENTIFY WITH THE 1980S AND THEREFORE I
IDENTIFY WITH TOO SHORT (A WEST COAST RAPPA) WHEN I THINK OF THE SONG
"IN THE GHETTO." GENERATIONAL DIFFERENCE!!!

EVEN THOUGH THE STREETS ARE BUMPY, LIGHTS BURNED OUT ...
IN THE GHETTO.

.. MOMMA'S NEXT DOOR GETTIN' HIGH, EVEN THOUGH SHE'S GOT FIVE MOUTHS
TO FEED, SHE RATHER SPEND HER MONEY ON A
H-I-T!

NOW, TO CONFESS ALL OF MY DEGREES AND LET EVERYONE CALL ME A FAILURE
AND MY DEGREES TOILET BOWL!!!

I, TED HEIKS, THE "TEDDY BEAR" WANNABE, HOLD THE BA IN HISTORY &
POLITICAL SCIENCE FROM WESTERN STATE COLLEGE OF COLORADO, TWO MBA
DEGREES, ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND MARKETING, FROM CITY UNIVERSITY OF
WASHINGTON, AND AM CURRENTLY PURSUING AN MA IN HUMANITIES FROM
CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITY AT DOMINGUEZ HILLS AND AN MA IN CIVIL WAR
STUDIES FROM AMERICAN MILITARY UNIVERSITY. NOW MAYBE DUGGLE ASS WILL
CONFESS TO HIS TRUE IDENTITY AND THE SOURCE OF HIS PSEUDOEDUCATION, IF
HE HAS ANY.

---

Rose Bear

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Aug 26, 2003, 12:18:46 PM8/26/03
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Forgive me for asking, but wasn't there aome allegedly famous
psychiatrist who held that the "crazy people" were the only sane ones
left in a world gone totally insane?

James Clifton

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Aug 26, 2003, 12:39:01 PM8/26/03
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Rose Bear wrote:
> *Forgive me for asking, but wasn't there aome allegedly famous

> psychiatrist who held that the "crazy people" were the only sane ones
> left in a world gone totally insane? *


Don't remember that quote specifically but it sounds like something
Thomas Szasz would have said.

Duggle Ass

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chris <cla...@volstate.net> wrote in message news:<MPG.19b4ab06b...@news.volstate.net>...

> I gave no diagnosis. I merely comment on how the anonymous nature of the
> internet elicits psychopathological behavior. Your response is an
> example.

Chump,

First, you're not licensed as a psychologist; and you won't even
qualify as one as a doctoral degree is clinical psychology is
required, at least in my city.

Second, don't back down and say that you "merely comment[ed] on how


the anonymous nature of the internet elicits psychopathological

behavior." If you are actually a professional, you would have backed
up your claims on how the anonynomous nature of the internet elicits
psychopathology. Since you provided no supporting claims whatsoever,
I suggest that you add the word "may" in front of "elicit."

If you aren't such a joke, you would also define "psychopathological
behavior," and demonstrate how on earth you're able to determine that
my response is of psychopathological behavior, by merely sampling a
few of my posts over the internet.


>
> Oh the the latest revision is the "DSM-IV TR" thank you very much!

Oh, TR (Text-Revisions) is almost always ignored. You're welcome, for
my corrections.

By the way, would you mind naming us the college or board that you're
registered with to provide assessment and counselling services to the
public?
Do you even have one?

James Clifton

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Aug 26, 2003, 7:36:09 PM8/26/03
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Chris,

Are you familiar with 'NAMP?' (http://www.enamp.org/)

chris

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Aug 26, 2003, 7:47:02 PM8/26/03
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Yes. They are involved in advocating for greater autonomy for Masters
level providers. In some ways I feel they are engaged in a futile
struggle when they try to get equal licensure for MA/MS and Ph.D. level
clincial psychologists. They have a very tough/impossible road when
trying to convince state legislators to downgade the educational
requirements for psychology from the doctoral level. However, advocating
for existing MS/MA level groups of professionals such as licensed
professional counselors/ mental health counselors etc... is probably a
better use of resources. In my view, an MS in clinical psychology should
be equivalent to a LCSW social worker in terms of insurance reimbursement
etc... In my state a masters level person with an LPC designation
requires no supervision whatsoever. The masters level psychological
examiner license is being eliminated.

James Clifton

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Aug 26, 2003, 9:06:01 PM8/26/03
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Chris,

Are you familiar with 'NAMP?' (http://www.enamp.org/)

---

James Clifton

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Aug 26, 2003, 9:26:58 PM8/26/03
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chris wrote:
> [B]Yes. They are involved in advocating for greater autonomy for
> Masters
> level providers.

I do think NAMP has been able to get some states, like Kansas to
license master's level psychologists. I think they are doing good
work. The only question I have about them is that they certify folks
as Nationally Certified Psychologist. Many, if not all, states
prohibit one using any form of the word "psychologist" unless licensed
by the state. I learned this the hard way.

Rich Douglas

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Aug 26, 2003, 11:22:10 PM8/26/03
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As anyone knows, I knew no one who served on my doctoral committee prior to
their placement on the committee.

I never endorsed MIGS.

I mentored one student at Greenwich as part of my Union internship. I was
paid for doing so (and cashed the check).

Thanks for the opportunity.


--
Rich Douglas
BA (Sociology), The University of the State of New York
BS (Business), The University of the State of New York
MBA, National University
Ph.D. (Nontraditional Higher Education), Union Institute and University


"Duggle Ass" <duggl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Rich Douglas

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Aug 26, 2003, 11:23:45 PM8/26/03
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Of course, I recommended that the book be checked out of a library.

Dr. Bear is my colleague now, and a recommendation to read his book is
reasonable.

Mr. "Ass" continues to get the chronology wrong, but that's because he's got
another agenda.


--
Rich Douglas
BA (Sociology), The University of the State of New York
BS (Business), The University of the State of New York
MBA, National University
Ph.D. (Nontraditional Higher Education), Union Institute and University

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Rose Bear

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Aug 27, 2003, 2:56:39 AM8/27/03
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Duggle Ass wrote:
> *chris <cla...@volstate.net> wrote in message
> news:<MPG.19b4ab06b...@news.volstate.net>...
> > I gave no diagnosis. I merely comment on how the anonymous nature
> of the

> > internet elicits psychopathological behavior. Your response is an
> > example.
>
> Chump,
>
> First, you're not licensed as a psychologist; and you won't even
> qualify as one as a doctoral degree is clinical psychology is
> required, at least in my city.
>
> Second, don't back down and say that you "merely comment[ed] on how
> the anonymous nature of the internet elicits psychopathological
> behavior." If you are actually a professional, you would have
> backed
> up your claims on how the anonynomous nature of the internet elicits
> psychopathology. Since you provided no supporting claims
> whatsoever,
> I suggest that you add the word "may" in front of "elicit."
>
> ***** HEY, ASSHOLE, HERE'S THE PROOF! (OR WAS THAT THE BEEF?) - WOULD
> YOU HAVE THE BALLS TO BE THIS RUDE AND ARROGANT TO MY FACE? NOT!!!
>
> If you aren't such a joke, you would also define "psychopathological
> behavior," and demonstrate how on earth you're able to determine
> that
> my response is of psychopathological behavior, by merely sampling a
> few of my posts over the internet.
>
>
> >
> > Oh the the latest revision is the "DSM-IV TR" thank you very much!
>
> Oh, TR (Text-Revisions) is almost always ignored. You're welcome,
> for
> my corrections.
>
> By the way, would you mind naming us the college or board that
> you're
> registered with to provide assessment and counselling services to
> the
> public?
> Do you even have one?
>
>
>
> >
> > In article <e09fcd03.03082...@posting.google.com>,
> > duggl...@hotmail.com says...[color=green]

> > > chris <cla...@volstate.net> wrote in message
> news:<MPG.19b1c1433...@news.volstate.net>...[color=darkred]
> > > > > > > and yuour pourchase of the book.[/color][/color] *

Rose Bear

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James Clifton wrote:
> *
> Don't remember that quote specifically but it sounds like something
> Thomas Szasz would have said. *

Not sure. Thomas Szasz may have said that. But it seems to me that
whoever said it was someone who was famous enough to have been in a
1980 edn freshman psych text and probably had a very distinctively
Germanic-sounding name.

James Clifton

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Aug 29, 2003, 1:20:38 AM8/29/03
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Szasz is Hungarian so maybe it wasn't he.

Rose Bear wrote:
> *Not sure. Thomas Szasz may have said that. But it seems to me that


> whoever said it was someone who was famous enough to have been in a
> 1980 edn freshman psych text and probably had a very distinctively

> Germanic-sounding name. *

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