vulgar postings
MoneMoneBangladeshi
offensive languages.
First i found some posting attacking SH with vulger languages
which some of young americans uses with their friends not in
posting. I went to other soc.culture.... newsgroups. But i did
not find vulgar languages. I used to read the newsgroups
rec.sport.cricket, rec.sport.cricket.info where some guys used
(personally) offensive languages, but there were a lot of protests
and taunts so those guys stopped writing there. Most of the posting
were very deep discussion and debates (with logic and sense) about
criket. Some people ( a few ) are using vulgar languages (borrowed
from USA or pure bangladeshi). Its good that there are lots of
protests , but some protests are also offensive. I hope people here
will keep this place clean and lively. Use of vulgar languages in
email/posting/net is considered to be against the US law. If someone
complains against one of these postings, the guys who are doing this
vulgar postings will be warned by the organisation. So if i offend Mr
X here , Mr. X can
1> protest here
2> Sent the offensive mail and the protest to postm...@cs.purdue.edu
and if they think i m doing against law, they will warn me or delete
my account
3> Mr X can take legal action against me
Number 3 is tough, but anybody can do 1 or 2. However for sometime
i m not going to do something like this.
--Pavel
Hasan M Jamil
I agree with you totally. Although I read this newsgroup almost
regularly, I usually do not post my views. Partly because I have
time constraints, and mostly because I find most of the discussions
as meritless, nonsense and provocative. I am also doubtful that
postings that are worth discussing will be received (except very
few in the past) maturely and scientifically. The attitude in this
newsgroup reflects our national character. Although we came far, we
apparently did not learn much. This will be evident from the postings
and their contents. As you mentioned, postings in some other newsgroups
seem to be intelligent, and attractive in their contents. They may
not appeal to a large population, but the group of people who
participates in those discussions, I think, really enjoy them.
Furthermore, it is needless to say that posting some views in this
newsgroup seems to undergo microfine biased judgements at all levels.
Consequently hate postings and e-mails follow to shut down the person,
I would say, mostly by force (chapabazi). This I think detrimental to
the idea that people of our community will use this media to share
ideas, concerns, and pride related to our community at large and
develop communications to advance our national cause. I hope we will
think about it seriously in the days to come.
Thanks - Jamil.
shafat hussain choudhury
Rinku Anisuzzaman
>Furthermore, it is needless to say that posting some views in this
>newsgroup seems to undergo microfine biased judgements at all levels.
>Consequently hate postings and e-mails follow to shut down the person,
>I would say, mostly by force (chapabazi). This I think detrimental to
>the idea that people of our community will use this media to share
>ideas, concerns, and pride related to our community at large and
>develop communications to advance our national cause. I hope we will
>think about it seriously in the days to come.
>Thanks - Jamil.
although I agree with you, you must remember that this is an UNMODERATED
newsgroup, thus you will find many types of opinions, weather they be
absurd ( like my postings hehe) or serious debate/discussion. This newsgroup
in effect has "no rules", so therefore these types of postings are only to be
expected. As for the vulgarity, I say, hey people are people and they will say
what they feel, weather it be out on anger or just plain stupidity.The
important thing to remember is that this newsgroup does serve an important
purpose in that it brings bangladeshies from around the world together, and
allows us to meet new people.----- RINKU ANISUZZAMAN,columbus,ohio
Naeem Mohaiemen
>> [On] offensive language
>postings in some other newsgroups
>seem to be intelligent, and attractive in their contents.
But, according to the statistic posted by avan@delphi,
s.c.bangladesh is in the top 7% of news groups. So we are
doing better than other un-moderated newsgroups?
>people of our community will use this media to share
>ideas, concerns, and pride related to our community [question?]
Perhaps this media does not meet your expectations, but consider
how it compares to other media available to us in US [bangla
papers, town-hall "meeting", Bangladesh "conference"/get-together,
etc.].
Of course one appeal to some may even be the elitist nature of
the medium [automatic self-selection between the modem
haves & have-nots].
Unpleasant [because elitist] hypothesis: there would be far
greater ugly squabbles if it wasn't for the technology barrier
that SCB poses.
Anyway, WIRED magazine's "Meme of the Month" predicted "Death of
USENET bulletin boards" 2 months back.
So all this may be a moot point.
--
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Naeem Mohaiemen
Mercer Management Consulting
1166 6th Ave, NY 10036
naeem_m...@mercermc.com
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Atiqur Rahman
> > Hasan M Jamil <ja...@cs.concordia.ca> writes:
>
> >> [On] offensive language
>
> >postings in some other newsgroups
> >seem to be intelligent, and attractive in their contents.
>
> But, according to the statistic posted by avan@delphi,
> s.c.bangladesh is in the top 7% of news groups. So we are
> doing better than other un-moderated newsgroups?
>
I asked avan@delphi in a followup, but didn't get a
response, so I'll ask you - do you know by any chance
what the source of such statistics is? I'm really
curious.
Regards
Atiq
Hasan M Jamil
>
> > Hasan M Jamil <ja...@cs.concordia.ca> writes:
>
> >> [On] offensive language
>
> >postings in some other newsgroups
> >seem to be intelligent, and attractive in their contents.
>
> But, according to the statistic posted by avan@delphi,
> s.c.bangladesh is in the top 7% of news groups. So we are
> doing better than other un-moderated newsgroups?
As I said, I have my doubts. I think in the next posting, Atiq has
a point.
> >people of our community will use this media to share
> >ideas, concerns, and pride related to our community [question?]
>
> Perhaps this media does not meet your expectations, but consider
> how it compares to other media available to us in US [bangla
> papers, town-hall "meeting", Bangladesh "conference"/get-together,
> etc.].
Its not that this media does not meet my expectations. In fact
all these things that are happenning, I do expect them to happen.
Predictable, isn't it?
But, can we not expect more, specially, civilized, academic, or pure
*no-nonsense* fun type discussions? One recent good thing that came out
of this net is the Probash. I think it is an excellent and commendable
outcome. Besides this serious event, there are several healthy and
useful postings/discussions/debates that have happnened and are
currently going on.
> Of course one appeal to some may even be the elitist nature of
> the medium [automatic self-selection between the modem
> haves & have-nots].
>
> Unpleasant [because elitist] hypothesis: there would be far
> greater ugly squabbles if it wasn't for the technology barrier
> that SCB poses.
>
I don't think it has something to do with whatever you are pointing
at in the above message. I think I expect a level of maturity and
intelligence (fix your definition) from everyone. Which in will
be complete, in my definition, if someone is open to suggestions,
views, learning and accepting (honestly) views, at the least.
> Anyway, WIRED magazine's "Meme of the Month" predicted "Death of
> USENET bulletin boards" 2 months back.
> So all this may be a moot point.
Probably.
Thanks - Jamil.
Hasan M Jamil
> although I agree with you, you must remember that this is an UNMODERATED
> newsgroup, thus you will find many types of opinions, weather they be
> absurd ( like my postings hehe) or serious debate/discussion. This newsgroup
> in effect has "no rules", so therefore these types of postings are only to be
> expected.
I agree and I think I know that. So, these are not unexpected to me.
> As for the vulgarity, I say, hey people are people and they will say
> what they feel, weather it be out on anger or just plain stupidity.
I disagree with you. But it also appears to me that, some people do
like vulgarity, and hence the practice survives. If we agree to the
proposition that one can say whatever he feels, then the debate on
Taslima Nasrin, Khaleda Zia, Hasina Wazed, Ershad, etc. should go away.
Or at the least, no one should pay attention and let the country go to
the dustbin. Which obviously we wouldnt let happen. So, there is a line
upto where one can go if she desires. Like the responses to this thread,
is a shear liking or disliking (not that I have problem with that), some
of you could not ignore. There may be seriuos implications to this line
of thinking. Who knows!
> The
> important thing to remember is that this newsgroup does serve an important
> purpose in that it brings bangladeshies from around the world together, and
> allows us to meet new people.
I agree totally, and I like it, as do the rest of you.
Thanks - Jamil.
Hasan M Jamil
>
> Naeem Mohaiemen writes:
>
> > > Hasan M Jamil <ja...@cs.concordia.ca> writes:
> >
> > >> [On] offensive language
> >
> > >postings in some other newsgroups
> > >seem to be intelligent, and attractive in their contents.
> >
> > But, according to the statistic posted by avan@delphi,
> > s.c.bangladesh is in the top 7% of news groups. So we are
> > doing better than other un-moderated newsgroups?
> >
> response, so I'll ask you - do you know by any chance
> what the source of such statistics is? I'm really
> curious.
I will be interested in details you may come across.
- Jamil.
A.B. Chowdhury
>
>m.
>
>>Furthermore, it is needless to say that posting some views in this
>>newsgroup seems to undergo microfine biased judgements at all levels.
>>Consequently hate postings and e-mails follow to shut down the person,
>>I would say, mostly by force (chapabazi). This I think detrimental to
>>the idea that people of our community will use this media to share
>>ideas, concerns, and pride related to our community at large and
>>develop communications to advance our national cause. I hope we will
>>think about it seriously in the days to come.
>
>>Thanks - Jamil.
>
>
>newsgroup, thus you will find many types of opinions, weather they be
>absurd ( like my postings hehe) or serious debate/discussion. This newsgroup
>in effect has "no rules", so therefore these types of postings are only to be
>what they feel, weather it be out on anger or just plain stupidity.The
>purpose in that it brings bangladeshies from around the world together, and
************************************
Look yourself Rinku... Sometimes you post meaningless mssg.
I think you want to become a hiro in sob by this. We are sick...
seeing your such type of actions. So check yourself ..anyway..
Eonderer
>> But, according to the statistic posted by avan@delphi,
>> s.c.bangladesh is in the top 7% of news groups. So we are
>> doing better than other un-moderated newsgroups?
>>
>I asked avan@delphi in a followup, but didn't get a
>response, so I'll ask you - do you know by any chance
>what the source of such statistics is? I'm really
>curious.
just noticed the thread... interesting.
anways.. for mr. Atiq.. sir, i haven't received any mails from you yet.
maybe because of the silly fact.. you (as well as mr. Mohaiemen) typed my
address wrong. folks.. it's Av...@delphi.com (Avan won) and not Av...@blah.blah
(Avan).
:o )
another anyways... most of the major commercial net providers do a quaterly
survey (all the major ones at least, ie. compuserve, aol, GeNie etc. etc.) on
something like 'get ratings on your's favourite news group(s)'. i remember i
filled out once on the AOL the name of our s.c.Bangladesh two some years ago.
what they do is.. not take a vote of their members but actually go visit the
group random six times, post a msg or two.. inquiring a few basics things about
the group, and also check for the number of msgs posted, how many new threads per day, how
many total subscribers, how relevant the material of the posts are to the group
name, profanity, spams, illegal posts (underground software piracies etc.),
flames and much much more. then they would add and deduct points and add the
six days total and average it. finally they'll post a 'recommended' list.
Bangladesh i remember made it to the top ten list.. and as mr. Mohaiemen still
has the account there, he should be able to find it. but anyways.. the top
seven list came from the magazine PC Info back in '95 (September bonus Web
issue if i remember currectly). and i posted that news in one of my silly posts
that month. many online seemingly didn't care.. and i assumed its a well known
fact.. and folks at this group really don't care much.
anyways.. you should keep in mind.. the two most popular topics on the net are
as follows: sex (erotic materials) and UFOs. many (and truly many) of the alt.
newsgroups are really silly and/or offensive according to many of the serious
the net watchers. the highest numbers of newsgroups that are accessed by more
people than anywhere else (comined too probably) are under the alt catergory.
they have from alt.binaries.pictures.trees to alt.fan.Springsteen. and many of these
groups are filled with immature postings much like what's happening in the
recent s.c.Bangladesh group. but anyways.. the point is.. most of the surverys
are done on the information or culture related newsgroups. technical info
newsgroups are scarecely mentioned by the average netters who'd rather hang out
at the alt.humour or my pseronal theory is , those who subscribe to Unix infos
or like i in the OS2 newsgroups would prefer the immature crowd to stay away
and don't mention their own fav newsgroups. culture based newsgroups as well
as speical interest light info newsgroups have more of the 'normal' crowd.
anways.. whatever the reasons were.. soc.culture.Bangladesh as a newsgroup was
picked as top seven percent of all the newsgroups under the parameters of
relevant subject matters. if you want.. there's someone i know who collects
(and i have no clue on why) all me silly postings.. and i can ask her to either
re-post it here direct.. or send it to me.. and i'll post the entire article
(tho' the article had less than all that i just typed now) once again.
i can't believe i wasted so much time typing this one up.. instead of badly
needed sleep. and tomorrow i have three serious classes right after which i
have to drive hundred some miles to make it to the Jumma prayer. ouch.
oh yeah.. one last thing.. we have over 17,000 subscribers to this group. you
can do a gopher or wais search to find that figure. if you can't.. lemme know..
i'll cut and paste for ya.
'nuff typing.. laterness...
aA...
stl...
Aquarius
>Look yourself Rinku... Sometimes you post meaningless mssg.
>I think you want to become a hiro in sob by this. We are sick...
>seeing your such type of actions. So check yourself ..anyway..
I am sure you had something to say or a point to make.....but I fail
to see it !!!! Sorry...maybe you could rephrase...
Atiqur Rahman
> Atiqur Rahman <rah...@management.mcgill.ca> writes:
> >I asked avan@delphi in a followup, but didn't get a
> >response, so I'll ask you - do you know by any chance
> >what the source of such statistics is? I'm really
> >curious.
>
> good morning all...
> just noticed the thread... interesting.
> anways.. for mr. Atiq.. sir, i haven't received any mails from you yet.
> maybe because of the silly fact.. you (as well as mr. Mohaiemen) typed my
> address wrong. folks.. it's Av...@delphi.com (Avan won) and not Av...@blah.blah
> (Avan).
>
> :o )
Well, you haven't received my mail because I didn't send you any
(otherwise it would have in all probability bounced back and I would
know I had your address wrong). I asked the question in a followup
on scb, and hoped you'd read it. Aparently you didn't - but that's
not a crime you know :-).
BTW, inspired by an intelligent and interesting debate on the other
scb (bengali), may I ask you not to add mr. before my name (specially,
given that it is my first name)?
Now thanks a lot for the explanation and for citing the sources.
I was wondering how a ng can be rated, i.e., what kind of criteria
one would use for such rating. It appears from your post that
they are:
1. # of msgs per day
2. # of threads per day
3. # of subscribers per day
4. # of flames per day
5. relevance of the posts
6. profanity
7. spams, illegal posts etc.
#s 1,2,3 & 4 are ok I guess - I mean they after all do indicate
something in quantifiable terms. I do have a little probelm with
5 and 6 though. When we Bangladeshis can't decide what is relevant
and what is not (is islam relevant? is cricket? and so on) and
keep lecturing each other, how on earth can aol (or compuserve or
msn or prodigy) experts decide relevance of posts on scb?
And as for profanity, how does garmentswali sound to an aol
expert? Not that there is anything wrong in being a garmentwali,
but the way we have used it here.. well, I hope you get the point.
I would have thought quality of the posts should be the single
most important criterion, but I do understand that that is hard
(read impossible) to judge, and so on one hand I believe this
rating doesn't mean much, but on the other hand I appreciate
the efforts of people trying something.
I will keep my own opinion about scb to myself for the simple
fact that (for whatever constraints) I haven't contributed in
any significant manner (in terms of spending my time on it) to
change it if indeed I thought it could be better. And I didn't
ask the question to raise any doubt regarding your claim. I
was simply curious to know how the rating system works. So
thanks again for your post and for all you do (although I must
admit at times I have to skip your personal posts because of
their lengths, and that may have been the cause why I missed
your earlier post on the subject).
Regards
Atiq
Aquarius
>> email/posting/net is considered to be against the US law.
Please get your facts straight. There in no US Law that legislates "vulgar
Language in email". There are some pornography distribution laws that
don't apply here either.
>> 3> Mr X can take legal action against me
Mr. X can sue you for anything in Civil Courts (but not criminal),
including misrepresentation of US Laws on a Newsgroup.
Rinku Anisuzzaman
>Look yourself Rinku... Sometimes you post meaningless mssg.
>I think you want to become a hiro in sob by this. We are sick...
>seeing your such type of actions. So check yourself ..anyway..
Well well well, hello there. I really got a kick out of your header
"Meaningless postings from Rinku". Let me see..sometimes I post meaningless
messages....yes, but dont we all? who made you judge, jury and executioner of
this newsgroup? A hero? naa, we have enough "heros" in this newsgroup (such as
yourself) , so why even bother trying to become one? " We are sick...seeing
your such type of actions".....would mind pointing out just who "we" is? Is
"we" only you, or "we" as in the masses ? Naa my friend, I think you betta
check YOURSELF (before you wreck yourself). I dont recall any rules in this
newsgroup being posted stating what kinds of postings are acceptable. This
newsgroup is unmoderated, so all is fair game my friend. Now if my postings
bother you so much, why even read them (as you have)? Iam sick of making this
point time and time agian. If my postings are meaningless, and you read them,
then what does that make you? think about it----- RINKU ANISUZZAMAN,columbus,oh
Eonderer
>Well, you haven't received my mail because I didn't send you any
>(otherwise it would have in all probability bounced back and I would
>know I had your address wrong). I asked the question in a followup
>on scb, and hoped you'd read it. Aparently you didn't - but that's
>not a crime you know :-).
>BTW, inspired by an intelligent and interesting debate on the other
>scb (bengali), may I ask you not to add mr. before my name (specially,
>given that it is my first name)?
i only noticed that Atiq as how you signed your name in your post.. and without
any clues as in if ye be my senior or not.. i just added a safe 'mr.' to it..
nothing much else. (what were the s.c.Bengalis arguing about... i haven't been
to that group over a year now.)
so, if i may.. as how we both might prefer, allow me to extend ye anew:
Bhai-a, i give ye a good morning...
well.. yep i missed the thread that had your question (directed to me?).. i
skip much of the threads on s.c.Bangladesh these days especially on weekdays.
and only read the ones that catch me silly mind.. or posted by people i know.
>one would use for such rating. It appears from your post that
>they are:
>1. # of msgs per day
>2. # of threads per day
>3. # of subscribers per day
>4. # of flames per day
>5. relevance of the posts
>6. profanity
>7. spams, illegal posts etc.
>#s 1,2,3 & 4 are ok I guess - I mean they after all do indicate
>something in quantifiable terms. I do have a little probelm with
>5 and 6 though. When we Bangladeshis can't decide what is relevant
>and what is not (is islam relevant? is cricket? and so on) and
>keep lecturing each other, how on earth can aol (or compuserve or
>msn or prodigy) experts decide relevance of posts on scb?
>And as for profanity, how does garmentswali sound to an aol
>expert? Not that there is anything wrong in being a garmentwali,
>but the way we have used it here.. well, I hope you get the point.
>
you did an outstanding job categorizing my points and assigning numbers to them.
its more readable now.. and i admit i have a very funny way to wrting which
usually doesn't make much sense and is but totally a silly habit.
.. <- (and let's not forget my signature annoyingly silly dots)
anyways.. in regards to number 5 and 6.. let's see.. what would make good
examples to clarify the points. there are thousands of news groups on the
usenet.. and many are very precise on what kind of topic should be discussed
there. let's say.. there's a group out there that makes the recent most nasa
photographs and their analysis available to the public. they are very specific
that it is not a discussion group but a binary group only. if you need to
request some special Marsian picture (with that head et al) that was posted
a few months ago.. and you missed it.. you still can't request that info in that
group.. rather there's a .d group next to it.. where you can submit your
request or complaints or arguments. anything.
now if i go to that group.. and post a message like: Recent price hikes in the
Bangladesh market.. now that would be totally irrelevant to _that_ group and
cause nothing but utter nuisance. in our s.c.Bangladesh newsgroup.. i have in
the past (i still do) posted many semi and/or totally irrelevant issues to the
direct cultural aspects of Bangladesh.
but each time.. i make sure.. that i try and explain how that might bear even
just a dash of relevancy. (ie. my posts on American politics, or recently on the
GOP debate that i attended.. i mentioned.. that America plays a big role in our
recent culture and country.. lifestyles.. and because i'm a Bangladeshi whatever
i think or experience on American politics can be regarded as directly relevant
to our group. i added that to most of my posts.. even in the distant past).
i think you get the point here.. as well..
..
and on profanity... tho' it could be a view point of relativity.. to me there
however.. a certain few things that are universally profane or perverse.
for instance... in me silly humble opinion... i might find a post to be profane
with a subject matter like Child necrophilia at a Disney group dedicated for
children 12 or under only. or wait, i distinctly remember an old witch wanted
to eat two young brother and sister in one of the tales from the Bros. Grimm.
hahahaha.. Anne Sexton would love me for this.
no i'm serious.. i would find a post to be extremely perverted in nature, if
it contains a title or subject matter such as.. 'Don't tell Anis's Mom but you
might care to know that Anis of that city committed suicide today.'
...
so.. whenever someone enters a newsgroup.. he or she has some sort idea/assurance
on what to and what not to expect from that newsgroup.. and might not really
find it that hard to do a relatively just rating.
...
there are actually quite a few net raters out there.. the biggest of them rated
my school page recently... as the top five percent of all the web pages. they
also rated unofficial West Bengal page and mr. Zunaid Kazi's on Bangladesh.
if i remember correctly he scored 42/50, 37/50, 39/50 in three different subjects.
he should be able to provide you with more info on that provided
he's aware of the fact.. if not .. i'll post it for all.
i think.. i might've asked them to rate a usenet newsgroup called s.c.Bangladesh
.. but then again.. with all the recent whinings and bickerings.. i would wanna
wait a few more years for the kiddies to grow up.
>thanks again for your post and for all you do (although I must
>admit at times I have to skip your personal posts because of
>their lengths, and that may have been the cause why I missed
>your earlier post on the subject).
no i know.. and do often acknowledge.. my postings are rather long and boring.
but that's me silly way of writing.. without which, i wouldn't be silly.
wouldn't be me. and i wouldn't like it any other way.
>Regards
>Atiq
laterness...
aA...
some times late... (and i'll end this thread from my side of the fence, ici)
ps. and i hate PSs. in my last post.. i mentioned two of my favourite news
as alt. whre they should be rec.arts.comics.etc.
Mustafizur Rahman
|>I failed to see why you cannot say anything without slangs and
|>offensive languages.
I really have not seen anything all that offensive here. Sure there's
been some not so tasteful postings but its nothing thats out of
"characters" with bangalis :) Maybe people are a a tad bit too
touchy here :)
|>protests , but some protests are also offensive. I hope people here
|>will keep this place clean and lively. Use of vulgar languages in
|>email/posting/net is considered to be against the US law. If someone
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hmmmm, did a new law go into effect that I'm not aware of? What
law is this that bans "vulgar languages?" Geez, wonder if
Hollywood knows about it :)
|>complains against one of these postings, the guys who are doing this
|>vulgar postings will be warned by the organisation. So if i offend Mr
|>X here , Mr. X can
|>1> protest here
|>2> Sent the offensive mail and the protest to postm...@cs.purdue.edu
|>and if they think i m doing against law, they will warn me or delete
|>my account
|>3> Mr X can take legal action against me
Relax (yet another american slag :))!!!! Why is everyone
turning into helpless cry babies here?
|>Number 3 is tough, but anybody can do 1 or 2. However for sometime
|>i m not going to do something like this.
For the types of posting people seem to be complaining about in s.c.b.,
the actions listed above only contributes to wasting people's time!
If X is so disgusted with Y's posting then resolve it with Y. Why
drag everyone else into it? You don't have to be helpless victims :)
Besides, Y can always go through temporary accounts cannot
be traced.