Cypress dependent sheep
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
world, read page 4 or Skydiving Mag 3 German freak flyers with expert cypress's
left a lower airfield to jump into a higher dz boogie....so they went through
the proceedure called "tricking a cypress" and set the higher fields elevation.
On the way the caravan dropped below 3000 feet to buzz another DZ. They went on
to the higher dz where the boogie wuz but their exit was below 8000 feet
because of clouds. At 2800 ft the video geek recognized his altitude and
deployed, the freaks kept carving....untill their cypress's fired in quick
sucession,
onegotcanopyabovethetree's
onegotcanopygoingthruthetree'sandbrokeafumar
thelastonebounced
cypress..or...not....be...carefull....out....there...and....stay....altitu
de....aware
don't..be...tricking....gadjets....PLAN...YOUR....DIVE&DIVE...YOUR...PLAN
PILOTS....DON'T...BE....HOTDOGGING...ALONG....THE...WAY....IN...THE....
PLANE!!!!;(
~All living holds suffering
Misery stops when greed stops~
Grand Billy Goat Puff
One skydiver looking out for all.
Gold star for Tooyt.
BGP-01
Anyone using this signature other than The Grand Billy Goat Puff will smell
like Swiss cheese for a period of no less than 3 days, and not to exceed 7.
Mr. Anonymous
>Thanks Tooyt.
>
>One skydiver looking out for all.
>Gold star for Tooyt.
Let me be quite clear about that "Retired
Master Skydiver" who still keeps an eye on the sport....Also the cypress's
worked,
they were just asked to do something beyond their capability...A similar thing
happened on a South pole jump a few years ago...NEVER ASSUME ANY
THING! Cypress or not jump like you don't have one. This is an example of
skydivers
not understanding a basic rule of skydiving
Altitude awareness and having a hard deck pull altitude you don't go through
cuz yer AAD will save you, every time." Also that pilots need to know how
cypress's work and that they are designed to recalibrate theirselves after
every jump to make up for pressure changes on the ground durning the day. The
skydivers tricked their cypress's and going lower than 3000 ft to buzz
another dz fooled the AAD's into thinking a jump had been made and they reset
to the 2nd DZ's altiude which was lower than the final DZ's altitude, Only
one skydiver was heads up and pulled in time, he was lucky with the plus or
minus 750 ft rule the other being less lucky broke a fumar and the third rolled
snake eyes in a crap shoot with death and lost everything... see why yew should
keep the old fashioned skills and not totally depend on gajets? Cuz even if
gadgits work right most of the time, the old "garbage in garbage out" rule
still applys... Stay head's up kids and always be thinking about cause and
effect created by random action No matter how many jumps you have, educate
yourself on all your gear and TRAIN TRAIN TRAIN. like your life depended on
it!!! !!
Jury man O--- :)~
Grand Billy Goat Puff
I do fly with a Cypres, but I'd be a fool to rely upon it. If my Cypres ever
fires at the correct altitude, unless I'm unconcious or have 2 broken arms, I
swear upon all that I hold sacred and dear that I'll never skydive again.
Has anyone ever heard of an AAD firing during an 'under canopy' dive? Just
curious.
Thanks
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>Thanks Tooyt.
>
>One skydiver looking out for all.
>Gold star for Tooyt.
>BGP-01
ya a regular Mary Poppins ain't yew girl?
I thought the cypress natzi's wud be all over this thread berating me for
heresy for alerting sheep....but no they only want to discuss saves not S&T cuz
they want to take the T out to cut costs...besides they
Knew I'd start preaching Altitude awarness
and Basic emergency proceedures lead to heads up skydiving...And they think the
cypress does away with the need to mention that to sheep once and awhile.
then the famous silencer of natzi's line "Cypress or not jump like you don't
have one!" oops right back to S&T talk, Jakal
may be right....its useless to fuk with me
cuz yer gonna git trapped in olden time logic and always be wrong no matter
what yew say....the complaint of youngsters
about seriously old people since the beginning of time....thats why I never
aruged with the cranky old bastards when I wuz young......just listened and
sed, Zowee RADICAL! Yuh yew right and then go on and fuk up! ;->
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>Has anyone ever heard of an AAD firing >during an 'under canopy' dive? Just
>curious.
>Thanks
>BGP-01
ummmmmmmhuh but it wasn't the expert
model. ;->
Grand Billy Goat Puff
appreciate what you've said. The point I'm trying to make...in general...is
that there is a lot to be learned on this forum, but you've got to dig so deep
in to the shit sometimes to get to it that it may as well not be here. People
who could benefit from the experience of you / us all probably spend about 20
minutes reading what's here and then decide that there's nothing useful present
and never come back. Fucking around and with eachother here is an important
part of what this ng is, and it should never become absent. If it were to, this
ng could no longer accurately represent skydiving. conversely though, too much
can and is projecting the image that we're all a bunch of hateful,
back-stabbing, unapproachable arrogant scumbags who don't WANT to see other
people--newbies--carry on in our footsteps. THAT, also doesn't accurately
representing skydiving / skydivers. People are always bitching at someone or
about something here. If as much effort is put in to educating as slamming,
there may just be a little less to bitch about.
Anyway, you can blast me for my girly attitude, but I'm smart enough to
recognize that you've got a great deal to offer to this forum. Just wish I saw
more of it.
Joe Walther
"Grand Billy Goat Puff" <gbillyg...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020922185529...@mb-fj.aol.com...
> Tooyt, you can call me Mary Poppins if you'd like, but I still agree with
and
[Some stuff making perfectly good sense was snipped for brevity.]
> Anyway, you can blast me for my girly attitude, but I'm smart enough to
> recognize that you've got a great deal to offer to this forum. Just wish I
saw
> more of it.
Walther responds...
He's just a nasty old man trying to get into heaven! :-)
Regards
Walther
Grand Billy Goat Puff
>Walther responds...
>
>He's just a nasty old man trying to get into heaven! :-)
>
Mr. Tooyt, if this is true, a BGP number goes a long way to that end. Keep up
the good work, and thanks for the AAD reply.
Respectfully,
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>but I still agree with and
>appreciate what you've said. The point I'm trying to make...in general...is
>that there is a lot to be learned on this forum, but you've got to dig so
>deep
>in to the shit sometimes to get to it that it may as well not be here.
>People
>who could benefit from the experience of you / us all probably
nahhhh I don't care for anals and since the git go have tried to git in certain
kill files, ya really have to be patient and desperate to wade through my shit
for a nugget cuz I believe we have enuff anals in the sport and most sheep yew
help are not going to pass it on later...... unless they git money...
That mainstream attitude has produced a weaker sport imho you hear this sport
is like a big family...........MY ASS! Amature? MY ASS unless were talking the
Manson family or give me money to support my life style and I will like you
family, Even the Ng
gods won't hit a lick on the dz to help some of these kids on here I betcha. If
any novices do go back to the dz speaking up on the cost of learning after
their off SS....saying that old man said sum of this shit was free in the old
days, don't you care about S&T enuff to cut sum value for money and at least
set up a old old lifeguard D to help us? They prolly think WTF IT WAS SLOWER
TOO SELL THAT @#$% COMPUTER AND HIRE ONE OF MY COACHS YOU CHEAP LITTLE BASTARD
BEFORE WE RUN YOUR ASS OFF! ..;->
Grand Billy Goat Puff
just the oldtimers sitting at home or on this ng saying that. There are quite a
few people, newbies included who share that opinion. There are also S&TAs and
instructors who feel the same way. The problem stems not from the new breed of
skydivers, but from the DZOs. Hollywood makes shit movies because the money is
more important than the art, and the same is true for some DZOs. Instructors
are not given the time with students that is required, and that student has no
idea. Then that student goes on to become an instructor and the damage is
passed on.
What are the S&TAs and 'good' instructors to do? I'd like to be able to say,
tell your DZO to change policy or fuck off, but then what happens? The
instructor is out of a job, the school has now even less instructors and the
students receive even less adequate training and the problem gets worse.
I know some really great and dedicated instructors, people who do follow up
with students after graduation because they aren't able to teach enough within
the DZs course structure. It's the same sad situation in any educational
environment. What do you do? Turn your back or do the best that you can with
what you're given?
Best thing I can think of is, if you're someone who can educate, do it. Until
there are enough people again who know what the fuck is going on, there won't
be enough people to change things. This forum is one way to reach people, but
you've got to get them here and paying attention first.
Regards,
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>"Grand Billy Goat Puff"
> Tooyt, you can call me Mary Poppins if you'd like, but I still agree with
<snip>
how about I call ewe Laura then?
>Walther responds...
>
>He's just a nasty old man trying to get into heaven! :-)
>
>Regards
>
>Walther
>
>
AH SHIT busted! ;)P
Tom B
Grand Billy Goat Puff wrote in message
<20020922185529...@mb-fj.aol.com>...
>Tooyt, you can call me Mary Poppins if you'd like, but I still agree with
and
>appreciate what you've said. The point I'm trying to make...in general...is
>that there is a lot to be learned on this forum, but you've got to dig so
deep
>in to the shit sometimes to get to it that it may as well not be here.
People
>who could benefit from the experience of you / us all probably spend about
20
>minutes reading what's here and then decide that there's nothing useful
present
>and never come back.
You make a point, but remember this is not a skydiving training ground, but
instead a recreational ng for skydivers to share life, not just skydiving,
or at times not even skydiving
Tom B
Grand Billy Goat Puff
Thanks for the input, and I am aware of that. As I've written in several of my
more recent posts, all of 'the other stuff' is just as important. This is a
place for us to blow off steam, have fun and whatever the hell else we want.
This is even a place where, say, one could masquerade as The Grand Billy Goad
Puff...if one so desired ;-)
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>You know something Tooyt? You're >absolutely right. And believe me, it's not
>just the oldtimers sitting at home or on >this ng saying that. There are quite
>a few people, newbies included who
>share that opinion. There are also >S&TAs >and instructors who feel the >same
way. >The problem stems not from >the new breed of skydivers, but from the
>DZOs.
#1 I dunno seems like a lotta skydivers who shouldn't be are in bed with the
DZO's and feed at the same hog troft every weekend.
#2 The only great thing about being seriously old is...you can say anything you
want and get away with it.
#3 Monday....look for "Good DZO/Bad DZO which is yours?" on the board, its
similar to the thoughts on Regional Director positions. Thing is I get word
via e-mail theirs still a few of the better type mom and pop DZO's out there in
MA, MI, PA.. and sprinkled at small airports elsewhere in the US and their all
going to be offended if they see it...even if they ain't a bad one, younger
skydivers like JK/dink, John and Jackoff are going to totally freak out and be
pissed off cuz they will think I'm singling out their DZO and therefore
insulting them personally
oh well---------THATS SKYDIVING! ;)P
Grand Billy Goat Puff
Joe Walther
"O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann " <to...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020922225232...@mb-cg.aol.com...
> >(Grand Billy Goat Puff)
> >You know something Tooyt? You're >absolutely right. And believe me, it's
not
> >just the oldtimers sitting at home or on >this ng saying that. There are
quite
> >a few people, newbies included who
> >share that opinion. There are also >S&TAs >and instructors who feel the
>same
> way. >The problem stems not from >the new breed of skydivers, but from the
> >DZOs.
>
> #1 I dunno seems like a lotta skydivers who shouldn't be are in bed with
the
> DZO's and feed at the same hog troft every weekend.
Walther responds...
Please define "In bed with the DZO's". Give me some specific examples of
what you mean, not who you mean.
> #2 The only great thing about being seriously old is...you can say
anything you
> want and get away with it.
Walther responds...
This is a myth.
> #3 Monday....look for "Good DZO/Bad DZO which is yours?" on the board, its
> similar to the thoughts on Regional Director positions. Thing is I get
word
> via e-mail theirs still a few of the better type mom and pop DZO's out
there in
> MA, MI, PA.. and sprinkled at small airports elsewhere in the US and their
all
> going to be offended if they see it...even if they ain't a bad one,
younger
> skydivers like JK/dink, John and Jackoff are going to totally freak out
and be
> pissed off cuz they will think I'm singling out their DZO and therefore
> insulting them personally
Walther responds...
I'm looking forward to it.
Regards and blues
Walther
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>the DZO's and feed at the same hog
>Please define "In bed with the DZO's". >Give me some specific examples of
>what you mean, not who you mean.
>Walther responds..
wanna be dz bum type skydivers with less than 500/600 jumps some with as little
as 150/200 jumps subcontracting as video people & coachs charging hard money
and trying to git by on bluff or personallity cuz their skill level is so
low...not value for money IMHO a total rip off, the kids should save the money
for jump tickets and chow and the DZO's should raise their standards IMHO ;-*
more value there ;-P
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
and the jail house lawyer
>anything you
>> want and get away with it.
>
>Walther responds...
>
>This is a myth.
>
but I'd give it a shot anyway sweety. ;-*
>I'm looking forward to it.
>
>
>Regards and blues
>
>Walther
I'll bet!
hoo hoo hahahahahaha dayum
Joe Walther
Walther responds...
I can understand your point relative to coaches. However, what is the
correlation between video ability and jump numbers, given that the
videographer is qualified to jump with a camera? I'm not attempting to be
argumentative here, Snuffy. I know people who learn more in 200 jumps than
others who have vastly more.
Given that an individual is not suffering from a learning disability
(physical or mental), what is learned depends on the desire to learn and a
willingness to practice what has been learned. If I want a video of a jump,
I have no problems paying the going rate to a qualified videographer. It
wouldn't matter to me whether the videographer has 100, 200, 600, or even
6,000 jumps as long as the quality standards of the video are evident.
Relative to the DZOs raising standards. I agree in some cases. What do you
suggest?
Regards and blues,
Walther
Joe Walther
> >
> >Walther responds...
> >
> >This is a myth.
> >
> >Yuh prolly not in Red China or your court
> but I'd give it a shot anyway sweety. ;-*
Walther responds...
This would be a serious mistake, sweety, especially in my court! :-)
Regards
Walther
Jerry K.
Yes, it is clear that in their pre-jump briefing they hit upon the
plan to keep turning points until their Cypres fired. Anyone know if
the videodude had the right attitude or does he get to continue on
killing the sport?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
wrote:
>>(Grand Billy Goat Puff)
>
>>Thanks Tooyt.
>>
>>One skydiver looking out for all.
>>Gold star for Tooyt.
>>BGP-01
>
>ya a regular Mary Poppins ain't yew girl?
>I thought the cypress natzi's wud be all over this thread berating me for
>heresy for alerting sheep....but no they only want to discuss saves not S&T cuz
>they want to take the T out to cut costs...besides they
>Knew I'd start preaching Altitude awarness
>and Basic emergency proceedures lead to heads up skydiving...
What happened to using the (right attituded) videdude for altitude
awareness, like in the old days?
>And they think the
>cypress does away with the need to mention that to sheep once and awhile.
>then the famous silencer of natzi's line "Cypress or not jump like you don't
>have one!" oops right back to S&T talk, Jakal
>may be right....its useless to fuk with me
But it is amusing. Kinda like popping rounds in the floor and
observing how the dance ensues.
>cuz yer gonna git trapped in olden time logic and always be wrong no matter
>what yew say....
Which is fine as this "logic," as it were often traps itself, comes up
wrong no matter what is said.
>the complaint of youngsters
>about seriously old people since the beginning of time...
Nope, just the more unenlightened old people.
>.thats why I never
>aruged with the cranky old bastards when I wuz young......just listened and
>sed, Zowee RADICAL! Yuh yew right and then go on and fuk up! ;->
>
Did a lot of skydiving, thse old bastards of yore?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
wrote:
>>(Grand Billy Goat Puff)
Can't wait. Of course, lamentably, my home dz closed years ago.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
wrote:
>> #1 I dunno seems like a lotta skydivers >who shouldn't be are in bed with
>>the DZO's and feed at the same hog
>
>>Please define "In bed with the DZO's". >Give me some specific examples of
>>what you mean, not who you mean.
>>Walther responds..
>
>wanna be dz bum type skydivers with less than 500/600 jumps some with as little
>as 150/200 jumps subcontracting as video people & coachs charging hard money
>and trying to git by on bluff or personallity cuz their skill level is so
>low...
If their skill level is low then people will know it and it will show
on their images and few will give them $$$ to do it anymore. Never
promise more than you can deliver. I remember reading that somewhere.
>ot value for money IMHO a total rip off,
Yeah, yeah - if someone is stupid enough to throw money at someone who
said they could do the job but couldn't do the job then they got
ripped off.
>the kids should save the money
>for jump tickets and chow and the DZO's should raise their standards IMHO ;
Standards are there. Anyone can strap on a camera and jump -though
the less than 200 crowd or the less than *current* crowd are seriously
advised not to but they are advised on things to be aware about
jumping with extra hardware/weight and factors to consider in that
regard. Anyone can demand money (in this society) for any service
rendered but they can't hold a gun to their prospective client's
heads.
...bsrp
...jlk
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
> dz bum type skydivers with less than >500/600 jumps some with as little as
>150/200 jumps subcontracting as video >people & coachs charging hard
>money not value for money IMHO a total >rip off, the kids should save the
>money for jump tickets and chow and the >DZO's should raise their standards
IMHO
>Walther responds...
>
>I can understand your point relative to coaches. However, what is the
>correlation between video ability and jump >numbers given that the
>videographer is qualified to jump with a camera?
Actually this one's the USPA's fault
not the DZO's
a great many of them are learning theirselves charging as they go. Forcing
other novices to pay their way...then one day you look up and their shooting
first jump and TM video's....no license required.
They need to follow the same trail as the
other people working around students in the air before being allowed near them
or charging anyone......BIC/.VCC type
system leading to a USPA video
lic. will do for quallity and safety assurance
I would guess...Doubt it cuts down on the
beggars & hawkers mobbing the tourist at the Bazar image some DZ's who don't
control their subcontractors present though
Yuh I dunno that coaching shit irks the hell out of me for some reason....Its
like blocking the give back D's and inserting
novices in their place.....so the DZO can keep charging money and keep the got
no
A lic. crowd in student status, yet its ok to use un rated video geeks cuz
theirs a kickback, free enterprise should not be allowed to lower some
standards of quallity or customer protection IMHO ;)p
~All living holds suffering
Jerry K.
wrote:
>>
>>I can understand your point relative to coaches. However, what is the
>>correlation between video ability and jump >numbers given that the
>>videographer is qualified to jump with a camera?
>
> Actually this one's the USPA's fault
> not the DZO's
>a great many of them are learning theirselves charging as they go.
That's bullshit but even if it were true, more fool the others for
paying for cruddy video.
>Forcing
>other novices to pay their way...
Oh yes - forcing. Threats, guns, blackmail, and corn-holings. People
will pay what the market will bear. If people do shitty video, word
gets around. It's a short-lived gambit and unrealistic.
>hen one day you look up and their shooting
>first jump and TM video's....no license required.
At my dz it's a 500 jump minimum and the demonstrated ability to
deliver what is promised to shoot students.
>They need to follow the same trail as the
>other people working around students in the air before being allowed near them
>or charging anyone...
Oh, I see - you want more USPA government.
>...BIC/.VCC type
>system leading to a USPA video
>lic. will do for quallity and safety assurance
>I would guess...
The BIC is a mechanism for teachinng people how to teach. You
apparently want some USPA program to teach people how to shoot video.
The dz prgram already exists. It exists in the form of jumper gets
video gear, jumper jumps video gear, jumper jumps video gear with
other people and over time the jumper gets to the point of being able
to deliver *before* they get to shoot students, let alone getting
scratch for it.
>Doubt it cuts down on the
>beggars & hawkers mobbing the tourist at the Bazar image some DZ's who don't
>control their subcontractors present though
Video to student assignments are usually handled at the dz/manifest
level.
>Yuh I dunno that coaching shit irks the hell out of me for some reason....Its
>like blocking the give back D's and inserting
>novices in their place.....
Could not some organized video coaching/rating system block the give
back videodudes and insert novices in their place?
>so the DZO can keep charging money and keep the got
>no
>A lic. crowd in student status,
Would some USPA video coaching/rating system kickback $$$ to the dz
and keep the got no video rating crowd in video-student status?
>yet its ok to use un rated video geeks cuz
>theirs a kickback, free enterprise should not be allowed to lower some
>standards of quallity or customer protection IMHO ;)p
If a person can already do the job, what then does a rating
accomplish?
You never strapped on cameras - talking through your hat again.
...bsrp
...jlk
Joe Walther
> >"Joe Walther"
>
>
> Actually this one's the USPA's fault
> not the DZO's
> a great many of them are learning theirselves charging as they go. Forcing
> other novices to pay their way...then one day you look up and their
shooting
> first jump and TM video's....no license required.
Walther responds...
Here is where I get confused, Snuffy. I was not aware that a video was part
of an "A" license requirements. Are you saying that the DZO is forcing
students to get a video of their first jump? If so, you have a point.
Otherwise, encouraging students not to have these "wonders" shoot the video
would go a long way toward eliminating the problem.
> They need to follow the same trail as the
> other people working around students in the air before being allowed near
them
> or charging anyone......BIC/.VCC type
> system leading to a USPA video
> lic. will do for quallity and safety assurance
Walther responds...
Now who is sounding like a liberal? Create another license and that will
make the problem go away. Think about it, Snuffy. We have more laws on the
books in this good old USA than we ever even attempt to enforce. Gun laws
are a great example. There is no need to enact more gun law legislation that
takes guns away from law abiding people. Just enforce what is already there
and most of the gun problems will go away. Cell phones are another example.
There is no need for a law making it illegal for an operator to use a cell
phone while a vehicle is in motion. Just enforce the inattentive driving
statutes and it will all be covered, cell phones, tuning radios, applying
make-up, shaving, reading news papers, etc..
Nothing improves quality like consumers who refusing to pay for substandard
quality. Nothing will improve safety assurance like potential customers
going elsewhere to jump and learning to jump. The USPA is not a regulatory
agency. At best, it attempts to be an accrediting agency. It is failing
miserably, though, simply because it cannot even get standardization
compliance amoung its own member Drop Zones.
There are literally thousands of accreditation agencies out there for
post-secondary educational institutions. None of them have a legal mandate,
not even the "recognized" ones. What does give validation to the
"recognized" ones is the fact that countless employers require graduation
from an "accredited" institution before they will hire. Additionally, if an
undergraduate degree is not from an institution with recognized
accreditation, there will be no viable graduate school that will accept the
degree.
The USPA wants to fill this role for skydiving. This has been its goal since
the early '60s. It is no closer now than it was then. The problem is that
there is no consequences if a member DZ does not comply with the minimum
standards. What makes you or anyone else believe that this organization will
be able to set future standards and enforce them?
> I would guess...Doubt it cuts down on the
> beggars & hawkers mobbing the tourist at the Bazar image some DZ's who
don't
> control their subcontractors present though
> Yuh I dunno that coaching shit irks the hell out of me for some
reason....Its
> like blocking the give back D's and inserting
> novices in their place.....so the DZO can keep charging money and keep the
got
> no
> A lic. crowd in student status, yet its ok to use un rated video geeks cuz
> theirs a kickback, free enterprise should not be allowed to lower some
> standards of quallity or customer protection IMHO ;)p
Walther responds...
You could be correct here and I certainly hear the frustrations. I have
followed this thread for several years now. The debate could go on for years
and years and still result in no resolution. What do you think would happen
to the USPA if its customer base dropped off in a really significant way? I
don't mean just a few disgruntled people who refuse to renew a membership. I
mean people leaving by the truck loads! Think about it.
Regards and blues
Walther
Sboz0
>Now who is sounding like a liberal? Create another license and that will
>make the problem go away. Think about it, Snuffy. We have more laws on the
>books in this good old USA than we ever even attempt to enforce. Gun laws
>are a great example. There is no need to enact more gun law legislation that
>takes guns away from law abiding people. Just enforce what is already there
>and most of the gun problems will go away. Cell phones are another example.
>There is no need for a law making it illegal for an operator to use a cell
>phone while a vehicle is in motion. Just enforce the inattentive driving
>statutes and it will all be covered, cell phones, tuning radios, applying
>make-up, shaving, reading news papers, etc..
>
Thank goodness he didn't list sexual self-gratification. How would I have
endured that long 2 minute drive to work without it?
Jimho
"I got the Rev, and now he has a number...."
Joe Walther
"Sboz0" <sb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020924195204...@mb-fo.aol.com...
> Joe Walther wrote:
>
> >statutes and it will all be covered, cell phones, tuning radios, applying
> >make-up, shaving, reading news papers, etc..
> >
>
> Thank goodness he didn't list sexual self-gratification. How would I have
> endured that long 2 minute drive to work without it?
Walther responds...
Exemptions can always be made for absolutely essential functions! :-)
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>Now who is sounding like a liberal? >Create another license and that will
>make the problem go away. Think about >it, Snuffy.
>Jimho
>"I got the Rev, and now he has a number...."
((((((UNFOCKINGBELIEVABLE)))))) (p
john
Joe Walther wrote:
>
Mucho snippo
>
> There are literally thousands of accreditation agencies out there for
> post-secondary educational institutions. None of them have a legal mandate,
> not even the "recognized" ones. What does give validation to the
> "recognized" ones is the fact that countless employers require graduation
> from an "accredited" institution before they will hire. Additionally, if an
> undergraduate degree is not from an institution with recognized
> accreditation, there will be no viable graduate school that will accept the
> degree.
>
While not disagreeing with your statement... In engineering, you cannot
become a licensed professional engineer in any state unless you
graduated from an accredited engineering program, so the government (via
its licensing authority) does, in effect, recognize the engineering
accrediting agency.
Tom B
john wrote in message <3D911724...@iit.edu>...
>
>While not disagreeing with your statement... In engineering, you cannot
>become a licensed professional engineer in any state unless you
>graduated from an accredited engineering program, so the government (via
>its licensing authority) does, in effect, recognize the engineering
>accrediting agency.
I don't know of all states, but in Ohio people other than those having
graduated from accredited engineering programs can do so. At my workplace we
have a few people who have done so. They had completed programs in physics
or other related disciplines. All of the ones I know of however had
completed advanced degrees, i.e. masters or PhD. However, I agree with the
main point of your comment.
Tom B
Joe Walther
"john" <kal...@iit.edu> wrote in message news:3D911724...@iit.edu...
>
>
> Joe Walther wrote:
> >
>
> Mucho snippo
>
> >
> > There are literally thousands of accreditation agencies out there for
>
> become a licensed professional engineer in any state unless you
> graduated from an accredited engineering program, so the government (via
> its licensing authority) does, in effect, recognize the engineering
> accrediting agency.
Walther responds...
There is no disagreement here. However, there is still no law that mandates
that an institution be accredited. ABET accreditation is not a legal
requirement.
Joe W.
Joe Walther
> >sb...@aol.com
> >Joe Walther wrote:
> >Now who is sounding like a liberal? >Create another license and that will
> >make the problem go away. Think about >it, Snuffy.
>
> >Jimho
> >"I got the Rev, and now he has a number...."
>
> ((((((UNFOCKINGBELIEVABLE)))))) (p
Walther responds...
Is this aimed at me or Jimho? If it is me, why?
Joe Walther
> >
>
> Mucho snippo
>
> >
> > There are literally thousands of accreditation agencies out there for
>
> become a licensed professional engineer in any state unless you
> graduated from an accredited engineering program, so the government (via
> its licensing authority) does, in effect, recognize the engineering
> accrediting agency.
Walther responds...
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>> >Now who is sounding like a liberal? >Create another license and that will
>> >make the problem go away. Think about >it, Snuffy.
>>
>((UNFOCKINGBELIEVABLE)))
>Walther responds...
>
>Is this aimed at me or Jimho? If it is me, why?
now I know why Kenneth Wayne Dillon..who btw has a lawyers office at a table
window in the courthouse caffe across the street frum the county court house
sed to me "Jimmyjoe
never appear before a judge again without council!" Yawl are all the same.
((((UNFOCKINGBELIEVIBLE))))
LORD OF THE SKY
Tom B <nospam...@aol.com_nospam> wrote in message
news:5m9k9.1436$Cz.2...@twister.neo.rr.com...
> However, I agree with the
> main point of your comment.
>
> Tom B
Oh Jesus Christ c'mon already!!!
Would you two get a room or at least take this civil shite over to
Dropzone .com?
Tom B
LORD OF THE SKY wrote in message ...
You would miss me too much. Can't hurt you like that Don.
:)
Joe Walther
Walther responds...
Snuffy, whatever you say. This is a standard mode of operation with you.
Nothing of substance or explanation.
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>now I know why Kenneth Wayne >Dillon..who btw has a lawyers office at a
>table
>window in the courthouse caffe across >the street frum the county court house
>sed to me "Jimmyjoe
>never appear before a judge again without >council!" Yawl are all the same.
> ((((UNFOCKINGBELIEVIBLE))))
>
>Walther responds...
>
>Snuffy, whatever you say. This is a >standard mode of operation with you.
>Nothing of substance or explanation.
>
fan and think Mark Twain or Will Rogers comments on the human condition hae
no substance or humor either huh Mr. fuddy duddy mumu man? unfockingbelievable
;)P
LORD OF THE SKY
Tom B <nospam...@aol.com_nospam> wrote in message
What ...? No Hugs?
Joe Walther
> >From: "Joe Walther"
> >Walther responds...
> >
> >Snuffy, whatever you say. This is a >standard mode of operation with you.
> >Nothing of substance or explanation.
> >
> I guess yew ain't a Andrew Dice Clay
> fan and think Mark Twain or Will Rogers comments on the human condition
hae
> no substance or humor either huh Mr. fuddy duddy mumu man?
unfockingbelievable
> ;)P
Walther responds...
I think that Mark Twain and Will Rogers were right on the mark about the
human condition. On the other hand, I think Andrew Dice Clay is nothing but
a crude, vulgar, and disrespectful moron.
I also think that ignorance really is bliss. This tends to explain why you
appear to be in a perpetual state of orgasmic after-glow. :-)
Your turn...
Joe Walther
Jerry K.
wrote:
>>From: "Joe Walther"
Andrew Dice Clay - born in New York - a yankee
Mark Twain -born in Missouri - a yankee
Will Rogers - born in Oklahoma(!) - a yankee
...bsrp
...jlk
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>tooy mentions Andrew Dice Clay, Will Rogers an Mark Twain in the same
sentence...walther give's his opinion
>Snuffy, whatever you say. This is a >standard mode of operation with you.
>> >Nothing of substance or explanation.
>> >
>> I guess yew ain't a Andrew Dice Clay
>> fan and think Mark Twain or Will Rogers comments on the human condition
>hae
>> no substance or humor either huh Mr. fuddy duddy mumu man?
>unfockingbelievable
>> ;)P
>
>Walther responds...
>
>I think that Mark Twain and Will Rogers were right on the mark about the
>human condition. On the other hand, I think Andrew Dice Clay is nothing but
>a crude, vulgar, and disrespectful moron.
>
>I also think that ignorance really is bliss. This tends to explain why you
>appear to be in a perpetual state of orgasmic after-glow. :-)
>
>Your turn...
>
>Joe Walther
>
>
yuh they were but had had the Advantage
of living and traveling in Amerrica most of their life...I spent years, even
decades
watching from afar from other countrys often getting my news on America from
their papers and magazines.....no matter what continent asia or Europe the
locals
wanted to sound me out and tell me what they thought of the situation...don't
forget,
I was a paid killer so it was brave of them
but showed our rapore also but even so they tried to act like they were asking
joking questons about my beloved country....Often I don't
appear to think or act like the average american or even Texan but still
manage to git my point across because humor is universal. Mark and Will if they
had been skydivers would have been more subtle about cutting yawl down...I
doubt anything I've ever done in my life has been subtle...I'm pretty obvious,
allways have been.... as all my ex girlfriends used to like to tell me....Like
a bad child. Anyway
Mark & specially Will were sly and razor
sharp witts.....I'm more a country boy beating the shit out of snakes with a
shovel type witt. You really don't think ADC is funny....................no
shit?
((((((((((unfokkingbelievable))))))))))))
john
And another thing - in order for students to qualify for federal and
state financial aid the college or university as a whole (not specific
prefessional programs) must be accredited by a regional accrediting
agency. I think there are 6 of these in the US, the biggest being the
North Central Association of Colleges and Schools (NCA).
Gregor D. Weeks
> ((((((((unfockingbelievable))))))))
>
Just a thought, Snuffy. Since you are trying to save all of us USPA 2000
matching gear and bootie wearing, formation funneling, SUV driving, hotel
sleeping, yuppy jumpers from becoming sheep, shouldn't you change your sig
to unflocking believable? ;-P
-Gregor
"Sheep go to heaven. Goats go to hell."
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>Just a thought, Snuffy. Since you are trying to save all of us USPA 2000
>matching gear and bootie wearing, formation funneling, SUV driving, hotel
>sleeping, yuppy jumpers from becoming sheep, shouldn't you change your sig
>to unflocking believable? ;-P
>
>-Gregor
>
>"Sheep go to heaven. Goats go to hell."
>
>
I care about the novice....their the of the sport.... The sheep gods are just
a repeat of all thats bad in the sport that I didn't care for imho. And oh
yeah....I just like to piss medocre people off for they generally keep the
novice from achiving excellence because misery loves company! unfokking
believeable ;-o
Jerry K.
wrote:
>>From: "Gregor D. Weeks"
>
>>Just a thought, Snuffy. Since you are trying to save all of us USPA 2000
>>matching gear and bootie wearing, formation funneling, SUV driving, hotel
>>sleeping, yuppy jumpers from becoming sheep, shouldn't you change your sig
>>to unflocking believable? ;-P
>>
>>-Gregor
>>
>>"Sheep go to heaven. Goats go to hell."
>>
>>
>I care about the novice....their the of the sport....
Which is a fine and noble sentiment IMHO but I think for you, whether
you admit it or not, it's about personal validation.
>The sheep gods are just
>a repeat of all thats bad in the sport that I didn't care for imho.
The ones that kept you down, told you what to do, and had the gall to
know more about the reality of skydiving than you.
>And oh
>yeah....I just like to piss medocre people off for they generally keep the
>novice from achiving excellence because misery loves company! unfokking
>believeable ;-o
Which is another aspect of the whole personal validation angle.
...bsrp
...jlk
tbos...@onyx.boisestate.edu
> Anyone using this signature other than The Grand Billy Goat Puff will smell
> like Swiss cheese for a period of no less than 3 days, and not to exceed 7.
I've heard mention audibles going off under canopy.
I thought they did that at any decent rate, but guess
that's not so. Are they smart like cypres's?
--
Shane
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>I've heard mention audibles going off >under canopy.
>I thought they did that at any decent rate, >but guess
>that's not so. Are they smart like cypres's?
>--
>Shane
>
throw out after a sheepgod hath fokked up! Them new fangled dytters is smart
enuff to log though & can give 3 audibles...soon all USPA2000
skydives will have to do is FedEx their shit to the DZ and have a pilot drop it
over the peas....shit even pilots are better spotters than yawl with that
GPS....but when the yunkee sheep say I'm OL----- an have 1836 bazzillion jumps
all I got to say to stop them in their tracks is "on yeah? Has
yer gear got a SCR/SCS yet?" bwoo ha ha
Jerry K.
wrote:
>> Shane Bostick
How many attempts did it take for your gear to be starred with 7
others/dock 8th or later?
I'm guessing one attempt for each as they made it easy for you -
distaste is a powerfull force.
...bsrp
...jlk
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
catch's old toot flirting with another skinny long hair boy;
>Shit no nothing is smart as a cypress, NOT EVEN SKYDIVERS cuz they know when
say I'm OL----- this or that an have 1836 bazzillion jumps all I got to say to
stop them in their tracks is "on yeah? Has
>>
>
>How many attempts did it take for your gear to be starred with 7
>others/dock 8th or later?
>
>I'm guessing one attempt for each as they made it easy for you -
>distaste is a powerfull force.
>
>...bsrp
>...jlk
>
the dz wud rather be with me than against me...I wuz about like I am on wreck
around the dz, 13/5 Otter exit last dive out, last into the formation A swoop
dock it bobbled and bowed a bit but held, We held it till Ron Mill's, Laird,
Jim Parker or sumbody doing the count gave a up down head shake then I
undocked, popped up, slid around the formation and redocked about 8 people down
had to hold it 5 sec's again I believe then the Captain keyed and we turnd a
piece point.............. break off 4k WHAM BAM THANK YEW MAM.....both plus a
point or two on the same exit...have t give credit to those old RW Gods they
stayed on my ass big time about skill's from the git go....Yew mighta heerd me
throw an insult or three towards deguello and the female competition queens a
few times but they swallowed their ego's and put up with my brutal country boy
witt giving me big time shit right back. Quite a few of them were more than
just good people, they cared.....just high strung and sticklers over tight
disiplined/planned formation flying insteada flailing and the big one------>
turning point's insteada goof balling around.. I salute them because I've
become an asshole about skill levelsthe way they were I think the way the sheep
whine 0....;)P
Jerry K.
wrote:
>> (Jerry K.)
>catch's old toot flirting with another skinny long hair boy;
>>Shit no nothing is smart as a cypress, NOT EVEN SKYDIVERS cuz they know when
>to throw out after a sheepgod hath fokked up! next bitch: when the yankee sheep
>say I'm OL----- this or that an have 1836 bazzillion jumps all I got to say to
>stop them in their tracks is "on yeah? Has
>>>yer gear got a SCR/SCS yet?" bwoo ha ha I so fokking funny
>>>
>>
>>How many attempts did it take for your gear to be starred with 7
>>others/dock 8th or later?
>>
>>I'm guessing one attempt for each as they made it easy for you -
>>distaste is a powerfull force.
>>
>>...bsrp
>>...jlk
>>
>Uh..... I think it wuz 16 or 20 mostly deuello cuz RW gods and people around
>the dz wud rather be with me than against me...
16-20 attempts? I have to admit - that is way beyond the outside
limit I was guessing. This the same crowd you denigrate for not
jumping with the new jumpers, fashion crimes, and gadjet atrocities?
> wuz about like I am on wreck
>around the dz,
Not on the dz? Ignorant? Hubristic? Little help here.
>13/5 Otter exit last dive out, last into the formation A swoop
>dock it bobbled and bowed a bit but held, We held it till Ron Mill's, Laird,
>Jim Parker or sumbody doing the count gave a up down head shake then I
>undocked, popped up, slid around the formation and redocked about 8 people down
>had to hold it 5 sec's again I believe then the Captain keyed and we turnd a
>piece point.............. break off 4k WHAM BAM THANK YEW MAM.....both plus a
>point or two on the same exit...
You must be very proud.
>have t give credit to those old RW Gods they
>stayed on my ass big time about skill's from the git go....
And strapped on a good deal of lead, no doubt.
>Yew mighta heerd me
>throw an insult or three towards deguello and the female competition queens a
>few times but they swallowed their ego's and put up with my brutal country boy
>witt giving me big time shit right back.
And yet, when this is done in this medium you get all defensive about
attitudes and fashion? Oh yeah - not on the dz anymore.
>Quite a few of them were more than
>just good people, they cared....
And this is not the case now? Mills, Cogburn, Parker? They're still
around.
>.just high strung and sticklers over tight
>disiplined/planned formation flying insteada flailing
>and the big one------>
>turning point's insteada goof balling around..
So, tell me how this reconciles with the great store you put towards
flailing on top of new jumpers.
>I salute them because I've
>become an asshole about skill levelsthe way they were I think the way the sheep
>whine 0....;)P
How many of them wore booties, full faces, and bore gadjets on that
dive? Was there video (shot with a proper attitude)?
...bsrp
...jlk
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
all up set cuz the coyote nailed the SCR
in one jump as a B on a 16/20 way then popped up slid around 8 slots and
redocked for the SCS. holding both for 5
then turning pieces, yuh I wer good and at least 20 years older than the oldest
jumper in the formation and my exit weight averaged 55 or 65 over the biggest
youngster on the jump...
>wuz about like I am on wreck
>>around the dz,
>
>Not on the dz? Ignorant? Hubristic? Little help here.
on the dz 2 to 4 days a week jerking city peoples chains and jumping my old ass
off
>>have t give credit to those old RW Gods they
>>stayed on my ass big time about skill's from the git go....
>
>And strapped on a good deal of lead, no doubt.
wuddn't enuff to go around....people were picking up bricks or whatever looked
heavy and stuffing them in their jump suits, down their shorts and draging out
french boots ;)
>>salute them because I've
>>become an asshole about skill levelsthe >>way they were I think
>How many of them wore booties, full faces, and bore gadjets on that
>dive?
shit it wuz mostly deguello, yew've seen them....do the math. I wuz my usuall
nasty self...had been fore warned and had on dickeys work overall's and steel
toed boots from work along with my ratty old paint chipped Protek....Art shot
the video
The RW gods didn't like non competition people to wear booties...They said jump
what yew normally wear zooing around cuz
switching back and forth can stunt yer flying progress and theTexas Hurricanes
mainly Christy wud pich a RWQ shit fit if I started talking about using booties
"Ah shit! Thats all we need a 268 pound outta control cruise missle in a 45
degree dive slamming thru the formation....WE AIN'T BOARDING! DICK,
RICHARDS! SOMEBODY GO GET DICK,
MIKE SMITH OR MIKE TUROFF OUT HERE TO MAKE SNUFFY TAKE THAT
STOOPID SHIT OFF!!!! WHEEERE'S THE S&TA? boo hoo boo hoo, course I did it just
to freak them out..I ware my new sit suit to Waller one weekend, standing out
in front of the club house acting like a ballet star whilring one Saturday
morning and people started makking U turns by the putting green and going back
home....Dick drove up in his town car and said "go inside and Git that off NOW
OR GO HOME you crazy old M'fer!" 0~~;->
Jerry K.
wrote:
>> (Jerry K.)
>all up set cuz the coyote nailed the SCR
>in one jump as a B on a 16/20 way then popped up slid around 8 slots and
>redocked for the SCS. holding both for 5
>then turning pieces, yuh I wer good and at least 20 years older than the oldest
>jumper in the formation and my exit weight averaged 55 or 65 over the biggest
>youngster on the jump...
Not upset but amused that you need validation bad enough to brag about
it and specific moments of the dive. So, you had a B - how many jumps
with that B?
>
>>wuz about like I am on wreck
>>>around the dz,
>>
>
>>Not on the dz? Ignorant? Hubristic? Little help here.
>
>on the dz 2 to 4 days a week jerking city peoples chains and jumping my old ass
>off
You jump your ass off on this newsgroup? SUre, if that's what you
wnat to believe...but you're on this electronic newsgroup far more
than 2 to 4 days a week and on dz's far less than that. Is this a
read between the lines thing like your "Nationals" rw medal?
>>>have t give credit to those old RW Gods they
>>>stayed on my ass big time about skill's from the git go....
>>
>>And strapped on a good deal of lead, no doubt.
>
>wuddn't enuff to go around....people were picking up bricks or whatever looked
>heavy and stuffing them in their jump suits, down their shorts and draging out
>french boots ;)
Tha landings (not just yours) must have been a sight to behold.
>
>>>salute them because I've
>>>become an asshole about skill levelsthe >>way they were I think
>
>>How many of them wore booties, full faces, and bore gadjets on that
>>dive?
>
>shit it wuz mostly deguello, yew've seen them....do the math. I wuz my usuall
>nasty self...had been fore warned and had on dickeys work overall's and steel
>toed boots from work along with my ratty old paint chipped Protek....Art shot
>the video
But didn't it stick in your craw to have to resort to jumping with so
many skygods of fashion and what about Art's video? He shoot it with
the right attitude or was this also another example of the sport being
killed?
>The RW gods didn't like non competition people to wear booties...They said jump
>what yew normally wear zooing around cuz
>switching back and forth can stunt yer flying progress and theTexas Hurricanes
>mainly Christy wud pich a RWQ shit fit if I started talking about using booties
But I thought you were a competitor. You said you were.
>"Ah shit! Thats all we need a 268 pound outta control cruise missle in a 45
>degree dive slamming thru the formation....WE AIN'T BOARDING! DICK,
>RICHARDS! SOMEBODY GO GET DICK,
>MIKE SMITH OR MIKE TUROFF OUT HERE TO MAKE SNUFFY TAKE THAT
>STOOPID SHIT OFF!!!! WHEEERE'S THE S&TA? boo hoo boo hoo, course I did it just
>to freak them out..I ware my new sit suit to Waller one weekend, standing out
>in front of the club house acting like a ballet star whilring one Saturday
>morning and people started makking U turns by the putting green and going back
>home....Dick drove up in his town car and said "go inside and Git that off NOW
>OR GO HOME you crazy old M'fer!" 0~~;->
>
You BOUGHT a bootie suit? Well, this is an admission!
...bsrp
...jlk
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>O Cuinn Mac
>Not upset but amused that you need >validation bad enough to brag about
>it and specific moments of the dive. So, >you had a B - how many jumps
>with that B?
#1 yeah? well I'm talking up SCR/SCS's and counting coup on the arrogant little
chickenshits. A old warriors perogative!
#2...hell I dunno but the timeline wuz after
Mike Smith and Linsey Carlton broke up their buisness arrangement...Mike going
to Waller and Carlton to Anuach...cuz my new Falcon had just came in and Mike
called me into the loft to show it to me and tell me my B had just come in also
and he was leaving ...told me not to worry I was a big shot B and wud be able
to take care of myself now. Shit it wuz gitting pretty Homeretic in there...ya
wudda loved it yew long haired bitch. Anyway the next weekend I went out and
the DZ was closed, carpets pulled up GONE!...a mechanic working on a plane in
front of the hanger said the staff 206 and Otter had gone to Anuach,
man I felt like I had gone to school and my parents had moved without telling
me ...Deguello followed the otter and I followed the 206 cuz all Waller had at
the time wuz a T-bo and a old paint stripped 182. Got my SCR/SCS at Anuach but
I missed Mike and begin alternating between Waller and Anuach cuz they were
both about the same distance...till I was at Waller almost all the time
stumpbreaking the dzo, staff and their jumpers Then Carlton lost his Otter and
deguello followed me to Waller cuz they missed my standup comedy I think
UNFOKINGBELIEVABLE! ;-P
Dusty
> >in front of the club house acting like a ballet star whilring one
Saturday
> >morning and people started makking U turns by the putting green and going
back
> >home....Dick drove up in his town car and said "go inside and Git that
off NOW
> >OR GO HOME you crazy old M'fer!" 0~~;->
> >
> You BOUGHT a bootie suit? Well, this is an admission!
OH MY F***KING GOD !!!!!!!
Do you realize this is more than just an admission?
This actually qualifies Snuffy as a .........
FANCY LAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!........................
Someone go get Treetop quick. Let get him a number.
SNUFFY IS A FANCY LAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jerry K.
wrote:
>>(Jerry K.)
>>O Cuinn Mac
>>Not upset but amused that you need >validation bad enough to brag about
>>it and specific moments of the dive. So, >you had a B - how many jumps
>>with that B?
>
>#1 yeah? well I'm talking up SCR/SCS's and counting coup on the arrogant little
>chickenshits. A old warriors perogative!
While you're at it, let them know that Bob Buquor was a cameradude.
>
>#2...hell I dunno but the timeline wuz after
>Mike Smith and Linsey Carlton broke up their buisness arrangement...Mike going
>to Waller and Carlton to Anuach...cuz my new Falcon had just came in and Mike
>called me into the loft to show it to me and tell me my B had just come in also
>and he was leaving ...told me not to worry I was a big shot B and wud be able
>to take care of myself now. Shit it wuz gitting pretty Homeretic in there...ya
>wudda loved it yew long haired bitch.
Mike called you up into his loft *AND YOU WENT*? Well, this is an
admission!
>Anyway the next weekend I went out and
>the DZ was closed, carpets pulled up GONE!...a mechanic working on a plane in
>front of the hanger said the staff 206 and Otter had gone to Anuach,
>man I felt like I had gone to school and my parents had moved without telling
>me ...
Well, if I was at a dz that was closing up and going elsewhere, I
wouldn't tell you where, either. It pays to pay attention.
>Deguello followed the otter and I followed the 206 cuz all Waller had at
>the time wuz a T-bo and a old paint stripped 182. Got my SCR/SCS at Anuach but
>I missed Mike
That must have been some kind of experience up in Mike's loft! What'd
he make you do up in the loft 50 times for that B card? Pushups?
Squat-thrusts?
>and begin alternating between Waller and Anuach cuz they were
>both about the same distance...
Halfway between Waller and Anuach put you where...Memorial? River
Oaks? No - definitely had to be Montrose. Figures.
Heh...squat-thrust.
>till I was at Waller almost all the time
>stumpbreaking the dzo, staff and their jumpers
Getting squat-thrusted by Mike...
>Then Carlton lost his Otter and
>deguello followed me to Waller cuz they missed my standup comedy I think
Nope, it was the Otter.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
I thought he already was one as fashion conscious as he is.
He used have a Cypres in his rig, too and don't forget about the pink
hook-knife.
He's as fancy as they come. Too bad he's not as smart as he dresses.
...bsrp
...jlk
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>.I ware my new sit suit to Waller one >weekend, standing out
>in front of the club house acting like a >ballet star whilring
> You BOUGHT a bootie suit? Well, this is an admission!
>
>OH MY F***KING GOD !!!!!!!
>Do you realize this is more than just an admission?
>This actually qualifies Snuffy as a .........
>
>FANCY LAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!........................
>
>Someone go get Treetop quick. Let get him a number.
>
>SNUFFY IS A FANCY LAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
pssssst a sit suit don't have booties dummy, didn't even have legs just shorts
blouse with long poofy sleeves... kinda a cross between fire island gayboy
shorts and JK style sword fighting looking shit.
Carlos drove up to the outlaw tree packing spot & saw it "sed fok it I ain't
being seen with you you fukking idoit.....I'm packing inside with deguello!"
and drove off. I got him back later....talked him into putting it on...he wuz a
small guy 5 11, 180 pounds
it looked funny drooping off his ass...and alerting every video man on the DZ.
They came pouring out of the clubhouse with hemets on red record lights
flashing screaming "git the gayboy playing dress
up in his big fat momma's Teddy" Carlos
wuz South American...goldamn he jumed straight up in the air, ran into a
tree....got up and ran going Augggggggggggg across the runway clearing the
bobwire fence in one jump screaming "I gonna keel you someday Snuffy!"
Augggggggggggg" LMAO ya just had to be there, we did shit like that too each
other all the time. Ted slaughter sez "here Snuffy take this tape...it will
prolly be the last time you see your sit suit again....I believe the boys gonna
run all the way home to Argentina without stopping!" Their wuz a buncha other
video geeks laying on the ground rolling around howling and crying.
Never a dull moment. 0~~;>
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>While you're at it, let them know that Bob Buquor was a cameradude.
He was a gifted Pioneer
whats that got to do with you? ;-*
Dusty
"gay boy playing dress up in his big fat mommas Teddy"?
Someone go git Treetop. We got us another Fancy Lad. : )
--
Dusty
Delta Airlines Sucks !!!!
"O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann " <to...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020927021151...@mb-dh.aol.com...
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>OH MY F***KING GOD !!!!!!!
>>Do you realize this is more than just an admission?
>>This actually qualifies Snuffy as a .........
>>
>>FANCY LAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!........................
>>
>>Someone go get Treetop quick. Let get him a number.
>>
>>SNUFFY IS A FANCY LAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>I thought he already was one as fashion conscious as he is.
>
>He used have a Cypres in his rig, too and don't forget about the pink
>hook-knife.
>
>He's as fancy as they come. Too bad he's not as smart as he dresses.
>
>...bsrp
>...jlk
>
town car with pearl leather seat's, zoot
suite, And Tony Llama two tone boots
topped by a pimp style fedora....man
I wer one cool ass country boy, cudda played a snappy drug lord in Miami Vice.
(((UNFOKINGBELIEVABLE))) ;-*
Jerry K.
wrote:
>>From: "Dusty"
>
>>.I ware my new sit suit to Waller one >weekend, standing out
>>in front of the club house acting like a >ballet star whilring
>
>> You BOUGHT a bootie suit? Well, this is an admission!
>>
>>OH MY F***KING GOD !!!!!!!
>>Do you realize this is more than just an admission?
>>This actually qualifies Snuffy as a .........
>>
>>FANCY LAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!........................
>>
>>Someone go get Treetop quick. Let get him a number.
>>
>>SNUFFY IS A FANCY LAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>pssssst a sit suit don't have booties dummy,
Oh, honest mistake - I figured you mistyped "shit" suit and naturally
figured you were talking about booties.
>didn't even have legs just shorts
>blouse with long poofy sleeves... kinda a cross between fire island gayboy
>shorts
No doubt, in skydiving things can get extremely ugly.
>and JK style sword fighting looking shit.
Naw, the Olympic stuff is pretty boring - white and very utliliterian.
>Carlos drove up to the outlaw tree packing spot & saw it "sed fok it I ain't
>being seen with you you fukking idoit...
And then he noticed the outfit.
>..I'm packing inside with deguello!"
>and drove off. I got him back later....talked him into putting it on...he wuz a
>small guy 5 11, 180 pounds
>it looked funny drooping off his ass...
>and alerting every video man on the DZ.
>They came pouring out of the clubhouse with hemets on red record lights
>flashing screaming "git the gayboy playing dress
>up in his big fat momma's Teddy" Carlos
>wuz South American...goldamn he jumed straight up in the air, ran into a
>tree....got up and ran going Augggggggggggg across the runway clearing the
>bobwire fence in one jump screaming "I gonna keel you someday Snuffy!"
>Augggggggggggg" LMAO ya just had to be there, we did shit like that too each
>other all the time. Ted slaughter sez "here Snuffy take this tape...it will
>prolly be the last time you see your sit suit again....I believe the boys gonna
>run all the way home to Argentina without stopping!" Their wuz a buncha other
>video geeks laying on the ground rolling around howling and crying.
>Never a dull moment. 0~~;>
I'm amazed he hung around while you took it off - let alone then
putting it on. Euwwwww!
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
wrote:
>> (Jerry K.)
>
>>While you're at it, let them know that Bob Buquor was a cameradude.
>
>He was a gifted Pioneer
>whats that got to do with you? ;-*
>
>
Only some numbers.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
wrote:
>> (Jerry K.)
>>OH MY F***KING GOD !!!!!!!
>>>Do you realize this is more than just an admission?
>>>This actually qualifies Snuffy as a .........
>>>
>>>FANCY LAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!........................
>>>
>>>Someone go get Treetop quick. Let get him a number.
>>>
>>>SNUFFY IS A FANCY LAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>>I thought he already was one as fashion conscious as he is.
>>
>>He used have a Cypres in his rig, too and don't forget about the pink
>>hook-knife.
>>
>>He's as fancy as they come. Too bad he's not as smart as he dresses.
>>
>>...bsrp
>>...jlk
>>
>ya left out the candy apple red lincoln
>town car with pearl leather seat's, zoot
>suite, And Tony Llama two tone boots
>topped by a pimp style fedora....man
>I wer one cool ass country boy, cudda played a snappy drug lord in Miami Vice.
Fancy!
You would have been right at home with Versacce on South Beach.
...bsrp
...jlk
Mr. Anonymous
>While you're at it, let them know that Bob Buquor was a cameradude.
>>
>>He was a gifted Pioneer
>>whats that got to do with you? ;-*
oh the SCR/SCS....I thought yew were
tring to insinuate ewe were the same
level as a skydiver or cameraman that he wuz ya little skygod dork ;-P
(((unfockingbelieveable)))
Jerry K.
Nope, different track going on here. Bob shot 8way, I shoot 4way
mostly. Bob shot film, I shoot video mostly. Bob is dead, I've been
lucky so far.
Does it gall you (or does it merely cheapen the awards) that Bob
sometimes was compensated for his freefall camera skills?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jldorman5486
<< Subject: Re: Cypress dependent sheep
From: gbillyg...@aol.com (Grand Billy Goat Puff)
Date: Sun, Sep 22, 2002 5:55 PM
Message-id: <20020922185529...@mb-fj.aol.com>
Tooyt, you can call me Mary Poppins if you'd like, but I still agree with and
appreciate what you've said. The point I'm trying to make...in general...is
that there is a lot to be learned on this forum, but you've got to dig so deep
in to the shit sometimes to get to it that it may as well not be here. People
who could benefit from the experience of you / us all probably spend about 20
minutes reading what's here and then decide that there's nothing useful present
and never come back. Fucking around and with eachother here is an important
part of what this ng is, and it should never become absent. If it were to, this
ng could no longer accurately represent skydiving. conversely though, too much
can and is projecting the image that we're all a bunch of hateful,
back-stabbing, unapproachable arrogant scumbags who don't WANT to see other
people--newbies--carry on in our footsteps. THAT, also doesn't accurately
representing skydiving / skydivers. People are always bitching at someone or
about something here. If as much effort is put in to educating as slamming,
there may just be a little less to bitch about.
Anyway, you can blast me for my girly attitude, but I'm smart enough to
recognize that you've got a great deal to offer to this forum. Just wish I saw
more of it.
BGP-01
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>Tooyt, you can call me Mary Poppins if >you'd like The point I'm trying to
make...in >general...is
>that there is a lot to be learned on this >forum, but you've got to dig so
>deep
>in to the shit sometimes to get to it
>that it may as well not be here. People
>who could benefit from the experience
>minutes reading what's here and then >decide that there's nothing useful
>present and never come back.
Do I look like mother thersa? I ain't here to help everybody....the kind that
never come back shouldn't even be skydiving or here either, their just wasting
everybodys time including their own and sucking up what the kids with true grit
need, humor and simple advice...I'm kinda doing what hanging the strut did in
my era.......many hung it and never came back....some couldn't even climb out
and left Thats ok they wern't the quality we were looking for and some people
shouldn't be skydiving.
>Fucking around and with eachother here is an important
>part of what this ng
>it should never become absent. If it were to, this
>ng could no longer accurately represent skydiving. conversely though, too
>much
>can and is projecting the image that >we're all a bunch of hateful,
>back-stabbing, unapproachable
>arrogant scumbags who don't WANT to >see other
as I said skydiving is not for everybody,
specially the weak
>People are always bitching at someone >or about something here. slamming
ok their gitting something out of it then, gitting tuffened up....nobody made
them jump....they need to quit being big baby's
and get down with it...thats very important
in a bad situation, don't feel sorry for
your self....fight out of it......Think death give's a shit and feels sorry if
their young sad ass's with feelings because someone didn't carry them cuz their
to impatient to dig for nuggets or even learn at all? I think not....study
Darwin Theirs a method to my madness.....I'm trying to tip the balance of
skydiving/nature back to where it belongs bwoooohahaha ;->
Jldorman5486
Open your hearts to the love God instills...
God loves you tenderly. What He gives you
is not to be kept under lock and key, but to be shared.
~Mother Teresa~
Don't make me start spewing scripture!
All right! We will be patient and "dig for nuggets" to learn! Gary Peek and
Mike Turoff make it easy! BUT NO.....you have to use Mike's name and try to
trick us into reading the posts at the end of the threads which make no
reference to skydiving whatsoever! I love hearing from the ROCKS of skydiving
and toil trying find the nuggest in the rest of the recskydiving heap of
threads and posts. ; ) Couldn't there be a closer related subject title when
we start rambling so that others know when to listen up, and others can enjoy
and participate in a show of entertaining banter?
Lana
BGP-02
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>~Mother Teresa~
>All right! We will be patient and "dig for >nuggets" to learn! Gary Peek and
>Mike Turoff make it easy! BUT >NO.....you have to use Mike's name and >try to
trick us into reading the posts at >the end of the threads which make no
>reference to skydiving whatsoever!
Well shit MT wuz the GU I&E and wuz on the same USPA home DZ's one after
another as they closed as I....were nothing alike but I admire the man's
honesty and knowedge....besides he wer the perfect straight man for a fun
jumping commic!
Yew expect me to ignore him? He almost
turned me into a USPA thinking man with his by the book attitude (btw the USPA
wuz still ok in those days)....A lotta people influenced my thinking....Mike
wuz just one of many......... git a grip heifer
>start rambling so that others don't know >when to listen up,
fuk them if they kin't pay attention, at least I ain't walking around with a
black "marks a lot" drawing lines thru their log book entry's and making big
productions of tearing up qual cards like sum unmentioned people, yew sheep got
it easy if by bitching is all ewe got to put up with!. 0~ ;)P
tbos...@onyx.boisestate.edu
> ~Quote~
> Open your hearts to the love God instills...
> God loves you tenderly. What He gives you
> is not to be kept under lock and key, but to be shared.
> ~Mother Teresa~
Has Ron Schott been teepee creeping into your tent?
--
Shane
Jldorman5486
creeping"?
I am so lost ever since I read what NAMBA meant! I'm confused! I don't
understand what people are saying to me. I was psychologically damaged due to
the shock!
Lana
BGP-02
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>I am baffled by your question, Shane! >Who is Ron Schott and what is "teepee
>creeping"?
never camped out at the dz or Quincy huh heifer? Ron Schott is a middle olden
time skydiver and Jesus freak....yer prolly on hiz shit list with all that S&M
attitude yew got going on with treetop....who yew may notice has become a
establishment thinker in his run for a USPA position......Geeze they usually
don't sell out till they git elected,
I got political theroys on why the USPA
is in such a state....I'll tell a Bonfire tale
soon about it ;-*
Jerry K.
wrote:
>>(Jldorman5486)
>
>>I am baffled by your question, Shane! >Who is Ron Schott and what is "teepee
>>creeping"?
>
>never camped out at the dz or Quincy huh heifer? Ron Schott is a middle olden
>time skydiver and Jesus freak....yer prolly on hiz shit list with all that S&M
>attitude yew got going on with treetop....
I don't see why - aside from the Christian Ethic of forgiveness which
would abrogate anything so worldy as a "shit-list," did not Jesus with
reason utter to Herod, "I love your lashes?"
>who yew may notice has become a
>establishment thinker in his run for a USPA position......Geeze they usually
>don't sell out till they git elected,
>I got political theroys on why the USPA
>is in such a state....I'll tell a Bonfire tale
>soon about it ;-*
>
Better a sellout than a quitter?
...bsrp
...jlk
tbos...@onyx.boisestate.edu
> I am baffled by your question, Shane! Who is Ron Schott and what is "teepee
> creeping"?
You really are a sweetheart, aren't you?
--
Shane
Jldorman5486
dependent sheep, Ron Schott, and Herod, together in one post:
Acts 12 :23
Instantly, an angel of the Lord struck Herod with a sickness, because he
accepted the people's worship instead of giving the glory to God. So he was
consumed with worms and died.
Herod died because of pride. His death was painful and horrible. Herod was
literally consumed from the inside out. It was symbolic of pride in us all.
It consumes us from the inside, eating us up, making us irrational and having
us suffer intense internal pain and sickness.
Pride is a serious, crippling sin, and on this occasion God dealt with it
immediately. He doesn't always do this, however, it will be dealt with. Pride
is more often than not the starting point of a downhill ride.
If skydivers are too much pride and do not take safety precautions, such as
using a Cypress, because they feel that they are so skillful, are so
experienced, and so full of themselves they may find themselves on the last
downhill ride of their lives because God does not like those full of too much
pride.
Whew!
Ms. Ron Schott
aka Ms. Dorman
aka Queen Lana
aka Lana BGP-02
<< You really are a sweetheart, aren't you? >>
Shane, I admit to being sweet and goofy!
tbos...@onyx.boisestate.edu
> Pride is a serious, crippling sin,
What isn't? If'n you aint a sinnin, you aint a livin.
The notion of sin is a fine means of controlling the masses.
I wish I'd a thought of it.
--
Shane
tbos...@onyx.boisestate.edu
> I am still confuse! Let's see if I can pull the subject title, Cypress
> dependent sheep, Ron Schott, and Herod, together in one post:
Ron Schott is our obsessive evangelist here on the Wreck.
Lately he hasn't posted much.
Teepee-creeping (verb, sin): stealthly sliding in the sack with
another.
--
Shane
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
tells another sheep
>Shane
>Pride is a serious, crippling sin,
sowhat are ewe saying? All skydivers
are cripples, not just the USPA ones?
unbelievable....we kin agree on grid lines,
FIRE WILLY PEATER,POP A FLARE!
BLOW THE HORN PIPE, DANCE A DANDY RIGGER JIG, WE GOT CONTACT!!! !! !!! ;)P
Mr. Anonymous
gbillyg...@aol.com (Grand Billy Goat Puff) writes:
>Thanks Tooyt.
>
>
NOPE:
Just seeing if the cypress natzi's wanted to discuss a on/cypress with no save
to better educate people on how they can not only be used but misused if not
trained in their short comings properly and they can damn sure study up on that
theirselves,
lets keep this quite.......yes cuz the cypress natzi's only want to talk about
the saves to better increase sales...Cypres even saves ya no matter what RIGHT?
Now if we can just convince people its not only bullet proof but idiot proof we
can take the T out of S&T and save some real money around the dz.......Pah ;(P
Jury man O--- :)~
david rickerby
bounce would be better?
"Mr. Anonymous" <afan...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Tom B
david rickerby wrote in message ...
>unconscious, downwind under a tiny reserve into some houses, maybe the
>bounce would be better?
Why downwind? Are you subscribing to Povl's view that his canopy naturally
turns downwind? Or into the wind, I forget which. I have my canopy better
trained than yours obviously.
But to your question, I know lots of people that have survived horrific
damage from bad landings hooked under tiny tiny parachutes, and that later
returned to the sport. I don't know anyone that survived impact with no
canopy out. Now how do I get this hook out of my jaw?
Tom B
kallend
Tom B wrote:
>
> david rickerby wrote in message ...
> >unconscious, downwind under a tiny reserve into some houses, maybe the
> >bounce would be better?
>
> Why downwind? Are you subscribing to Povl's view that his canopy naturally
> turns downwind? Or into the wind, I forget which. I have my canopy better
> trained than yours obviously.
>
>
Tom, think about the behavior of a canopy (or aircraft) with positive
yaw stability descending crosswind when there is a strong wind shear.
Do you see a tendency to turn? Which way?
travis...@mail.boisestate.edu
> Why downwind? Are you subscribing to Povl's view that his canopy naturally
> turns downwind? Or into the wind, I forget which.
lol, that was a long time ago.
-Shane
travis...@mail.boisestate.edu
> Tom, think about the behavior of a canopy (or aircraft) with positive
> yaw stability descending crosswind when there is a strong wind shear.
> Do you see a tendency to turn? Which way?
What color is the canopy?
-Shane
Tom B
>kallend <kal...@iit.edu> wrote:
>> Tom, think about the behavior of a canopy (or aircraft) with positive
>> yaw stability descending crosswind when there is a strong wind shear.
>> Do you see a tendency to turn? Which way?
>
The two people I have seen land unconscious were locked in a slow turn. I
presume this was from asymmetrical loading of the harness, or just minor
differences in trim of the canopy. These are not aircraft where we can set
the trim in flight to make it go straight and level hands off.
Tom B
john
I don't doubt that, but you didn't respond to my question. I think I
can identify a scenario where a canopy might turn downwind, ***all other
things being equal***. Do you dispute that reasoning?
Tom B
john wrote in message <3DC86C93...@iit.edu>...
I am not prepared or qualified to debate what would happen in such shear
conditions. But the conditions would only exist where you had significant
shear or turbulence. I have not noticed a lot of shear near the ground, so
it seems moot. I am marginally qualified to say that large turbofan engines
are not greatly bothered by a little shear. :)
Speaking of such conditions, have you heard any more of the cause of the
A300's vertical stabilizer falling off in NY last year? I am hearing
nothing.
Tom B
Tom B
john
No - the report I read of the NTSB hearing didn't seem to have much
about that. Mostly it was cockpit voice recorder transcripts and
animations of the rudder.
> Tom B
O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>kallend <kal...@iit.edu> argue
>I don't doubt that, but you didn't respond to my question. I think I
>can identify a scenario where a canopy might turn downwind, ***all other
>things being equal***.
Numba one....this wuz about 3 Germans
who set cypress's at 1 dz, buzz a 2nd dz and exit at a third dz, they didn't
git much of a chance to fly a canopy, one bounced, one got canopy at tree top
level and one at 400ft or there abouts...this was a "you can confuse a cypress
thread!
Numba 2 if yer lights are out and the cypress blows the reserve while yer
cocked downwind or any angle except upwind...no turns are needed to
end up bad wind and travling fast, hell lets add a tree, barn, powerlines and a
4-lane highway and make it real life ;>
Numba 3 If its a knocked out wrap still no joy cause yawl are going just about
straight down with some quadrant flutter. 0----;-P