Workbench finished!
Conan the Librarian
done by hand.
Long version: Well, it's finally done. I put a finishing coat of
Tried and True's wax/oil mix on my bench top and fastened the thing to
the base. You can see it at: http://swt.edu/~cv01/bench03.jpg and
http://swt.edu/~cv01/bench04.jpg
You can also see some goofy pics of me standing next to it at:
http://swt.edu/~cv01/bench01.jpg and http://swt.edu/~cv01/bench02.jpg
Just for kicks, I included a shot of a couple of Guntershaves
sitting on said bench at: http://swt.edu/~cv01/shaves.jpg
Finally, you can see a pic of SWMBO, the lovely and talented Carol
at: http://swt.edu/~cv01/carolbench.jpg
(BTW, all the pics were taken after 5:00 on an overcast day with no
flash, and only a couple of overhead lights. That's how good Carol's
new digicam is. *meep* *meeep* *vrooom*)
Yes, the bench is made from lowly SYP from the Borg (except for the
leg vise, which is some of that very dense guato pine). The top was
made from 3" boards I ripped (with a handsaw, Bob) from the outside
edges of some carefully chosen 2x10's and glued on edge.
Thanks to excellent advice from a couple of regulars (you, Bob and
Paully), the glueup and final planing were not that hard. I started
with a thickness of a hair over 3" and wound up with a 2-13/16" thick
bench.
Surfacing was done with my L-N #62 (you know what it is, Nuno) with
a toothing iron, followed by my newly acquired L-N #4-1/2. Strangely
enough, I didn't even use my jointer or foreplane, but it went quite
well. It's not flat to a RKH (Red Kirby Hair (reference to
woodworking god who is purported to be able to plane a benchtop to
0.001" tolerances, Paddy)), but it'll do for now. I'll let it sit and
work on it for a while and see if I need to touch it up a bit.
The base legs are made of Borg 2x4 stuff that was chosen for
straightness and laminated and planed to give me 3x3 legs. The fixed
leg of the vise is 4x4 and the adjustable one is 2x4.
The legs are joined to stretchers and rails with mondo m&t joints;
all chopped and sawed by hand and pinned with oak dowels.
It's a simple design taken somewhat from Kirby, with little bits and
pieces scrounged from other places (i.e., leg vise and board jack).
The plane shelf was an afterthought; it is supported by four cleats
attached to the inside of the stretchers. No dogholes yet; I'll add
those as I work and find out where they would be most handy. I'll
probably incorporate an integral planing stop ala Kirby at some point.
Also, I'll probably add some holes for holding narrow boards along the
edge of the bench by the vise.
The only power tool that came near the thing was a drill which I
used for drilling holes for the front board jack, the vise screw, the
pins for the m&t joints, and the holes in the leg vise adjustment
board.
Tools I used a lot included: mondo 1" Sorby framing chisel, 5/8"
Sorby mortise chisel, IB-saw for cutting tenon cheeks, mini-dozuki
Z-saw for cutting tenon shoulders, old 5-1/2 point N.Y. Hardware ripsaw
for ripping boards for the top, Bessey K-body clamps for gluing up top
(I hate to think what it would have been like trying to do that with
pipe-clamps), L-N #62 with toothed iron for leveling top, L-N #62 with
standard iron for cleaning up after toothed iron, and L-N #4-1/2(newer,
shinier copy of the plane I sent you, Larry) for smoothing of
top.
Things I would do differently:
1. Get an old *real* mortise chisel instead of the 1" framing
chisel.
2. Build the base with power tools, and buy the top. Just kidding.
Doing all the work with handtools, while not the easy way to go, was a
great experience. I improved my sawing skills, mortising skills and
planing skills tremendously, as well as learning a bit about my
capacity for patience.
3. Make the board jack board wider and/or move it up higher. It's
set so that the bottom holes are lined up with the vise screw. But, I
really need a jack of some sort set higher for jointing narrow boards.
When jointing the boards for the top, I found that I needed to rig up a
a jack arrangement with a dowel inserted through a wood block to level
the boards with the vise. (It can be seen sitting on a bin to the
right of the bench in the "bench02" jpeg.)
Well, thanks for reading this far. Now that I've got the bench
done, I guess I'd better come up with some other projects to make. ;-)
Chuck Vance
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Doug Winterburn
>
> Short version: Built a real workbench with all dimensioning/joining
> done by hand.
>
kitchen island ;-)
-Doug
Harvey
on it, LOL You should get many enjoyable hours having it in your shop, again
kudos' to you.
Conan the Librarian <chuck...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Doug Stowe
<chuck...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Well, thanks for reading this far. Now that I've got the bench
> done, I guess I'd better come up with some other projects to make. ;-)
>
>
> Chuck Vance
Chuck! Absolutely fantastic! I'm impressed!
Doug
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Pam Niedermayer
Pam
Conan the Librarian wrote:
>
> Short version: Built a real workbench with all dimensioning/joining
> done by hand.
>
> Long version: Well, it's finally done. I put a finishing coat of
> Tried and True's wax/oil mix on my bench top and fastened the thing to
> the base. You can see it at: http://swt.edu/~cv01/bench03.jpg and
> http://swt.edu/~cv01/bench04.jpg
> ...
--
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Pinehill Softworks Inc.
600 W. 28th St., Suite 103
Austin, TX 78705
512-236-1677
http://www.pinehill.com
Larry Jaques
<chuck...@my-deja.com> crayoned this:
> You can also see some goofy pics of me standing next to it at:
>http://swt.edu/~cv01/bench01.jpg and http://swt.edu/~cv01/bench02.jpg
Shouldn't that read "Pics of goofy me..."? ;) Hey, looky all them
L-N planes all around. No -wonder- you can only afford pineywood.
> Finally, you can see a pic of SWMBO, the lovely and talented Carol
>at: http://swt.edu/~cv01/carolbench.jpg
That look on her face and her body language indicate the thought going
through her mind to be "MINE, ALL MINE!"
> (BTW, all the pics were taken after 5:00 on an overcast day with no
>flash, and only a couple of overhead lights. That's how good Carol's
>new digicam is. *meep* *meeep* *vrooom*)
Yes, good, clear pics. Congrats.
> Yes, the bench is made from lowly SYP from the Borg (except for the
>leg vise, which is some of that very dense guato pine). The top was
>made from 3" boards I ripped (with a handsaw, Bob) from the outside
>edges of some carefully chosen 2x10's and glued on edge.
Congrats. It be bewdy.
> The base legs are made of Borg 2x4 stuff that was chosen for
>straightness
Ah, the reason for the project taking months becomes clear.
> The legs are joined to stretchers and rails with mondo m&t joints;
>all chopped and sawed by hand and pinned with oak dowels.
Why not Walnut or Purkleheartless, for some nice contrast?
> It's a simple design taken somewhat from Kirby, with little bits and
>pieces scrounged from other places (i.e., leg vise and board jack).
>The plane shelf was an afterthought; it is supported by four cleats
>attached to the inside of the stretchers. No dogholes yet; I'll add
>those as I work and find out where they would be most handy. I'll
>probably incorporate an integral planing stop ala Kirby at some point.
>Also, I'll probably add some holes for holding narrow boards along the
>edge of the bench by the vise.
I thought that planing-board/apron was a bit low, indicating that
you'd be working only on nice, wide boards.
>(I hate to think what it would have been like trying to do that with
>pipe-clamps),
Why?
>L-N #62 with toothed iron for leveling top, L-N #62 with
>standard iron for cleaning up after toothed iron, and L-N #4-1/2(newer,
>shinier copy of the plane I sent you, Larry) for smoothing of
>top.
I saw that. You should have gone for the couple feet of Jarrah
and given me the L-N instead, but the Stanley is just fine. It
WILL see use, I promise. ;)
> 2. Build the base with power tools, and buy the top. Just kidding.
>Doing all the work with handtools, while not the easy way to go, was a
>great experience. I improved my sawing skills, mortising skills and
>planing skills tremendously, as well as learning a bit about my
>capacity for patience.
While powah tools test the hospital's capacity for patients.
Congrats, young Conan. You have flowed with the Force well.
> 3. Make the board jack board wider and/or move it up higher. It's
>set so that the bottom holes are lined up with the vise screw. But, I
>really need a jack of some sort set higher for jointing narrow boards.
Try one of the board jacks like McKinley's on page 103 of Landis'
Workbench Book. Your jack board is the right height for it to hook
onto. I'd make the adjustment more fine, though. His look to be in
3" increments. I'd get anal and go with 1/2" teeth.
> Well, thanks for reading this far. Now that I've got the bench
>done, I guess I'd better come up with some other projects to make. ;-)
With the new bench "in hand", that should be no problem whatsoever.
Have fun!
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In article <3A87FC83...@winterburn.net>, Doug Winterburn
<do...@winterburn.net> writes:
Good point. As Larry mentioned elsewhere in this thread, her body
language does seem to indicate that she has designs on it. :-}
Chuck Vance
Just say (tmPL) She can have it when she takes it from my cold,
dead fingers ... or when I replace it with a maple top. ;-)
Conan The Librarian
In article <dstowe-4AD0FB....@news.arkansas.net>, Doug Stowe
<dst...@arkansas.net> writes:
> Chuck! Absolutely fantastic! I'm impressed!
Doug,
Thanks very much. You don't mind if I forward this to Carol, do
you? ;-)
Chuck Vance
Conan The Librarian
In article <3A881704...@cape.com>, Pam Niedermayer
<pam_...@cape.com> writes:
> It looks great, congratulations. How do you like using a leg vise?
Pam,
Thanks. I absolutely *love* the leg vise so far. You see,
because of the configuration of the bench, I was able to use
the vise to joint the boards for the top. Try to do that with
your standard benches. :-)
Also, when I got my IT dovetail saw, I had to test it to make
sure it worked right ;-), so I grabbed some maple and slapped
it in the leg vise. It was very sweet.
And the saw was pretty nice, too. :-)
Chuck Vance
Conan The Librarian
In article <e15g8t0j3uel1n9pu...@4ax.com>, Larry Jaques
<lja...@diversify.com> writes:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:35:41 GMT, Conan the Librarian
> <chuck...@my-deja.com> crayoned this:
>
>> You can also see some goofy pics of me standing next to it at:
>>http://swt.edu/~cv01/bench01.jpg and http://swt.edu/~cv01/bench02.jpg
>
> Shouldn't that read "Pics of goofy me..."? ;) Hey, looky all them
> L-N planes all around. No -wonder- you can only afford pineywood.
Oh, I could have afforded maple. But I figure I'll get the
kinks out on this first bench and then I can make my "ultimate"
one down theline.
Any bets that I'll be done with my ultimate one before you've got
a "real" one made? ;-)
>> That look on her face and her body language indicate the thought going
>> through her mind to be "MINE, ALL MINE!"
That hadn't dawned on me. And here I was thinking that she was
just admiring the nice job I'd done. :-}
>> Yes, good, clear pics. Congrats.
Tendjew. Carol is as much a technogeek as I am a galoot, so she's
been wanting a really good digicam. And for the price of that
bastahd, it better be. That thing cost as much as 3 or 4 L-N's. (Hey,
maybe we should come up with a "Lie-Nielsen" as a new unit of
measurement. :-)
>> The base legs are made of Borg 2x4 stuff that was chosen for
>>straightness
>
> Ah, the reason for the project taking months becomes clear.
You understand, grasshopper. I spent more time picking through
the piles than planing the stuff flat.
> Why not Walnut or Purkleheartless, for some nice contrast?
I just went with what I had on hand at the time. I'll get fancy
later.
> I thought that planing-board/apron was a bit low, indicating that
> you'd be working only on nice, wide boards.
Well, I want to have that capacity, but I forgot to allow for the
smaller pieces.
>>(I hate to think what it would have been like trying to do that with
>>pipe-clamps),
>
> Why?
K-bodies are deeper than 3", so they made it a breeze to get things
flat and true. They also can be stood on their ends (and stay that
way) for storage and alignment. Also, you don't have to fiddle around
to insure that you get perfect lateral clamping pressure.
No comparison.
>> I saw that. You should have gone for the couple feet of Jarrah
>> and given me the L-N instead, but the Stanley is just fine. It
>> WILL see use, I promise. ;)
Now that you "undubbed it", eh? :-)
>>Doing all the work with handtools, while not the easy way to go, was a
>>great experience. I improved my sawing skills, mortising skills and
>>planing skills tremendously, as well as learning a bit about my
>>capacity for patience.
>
> While powah tools test the hospital's capacity for patients.
> Congrats, young Conan. You have flowed with the Force well.
Thanks, Lar. I felt like I was fighting it at times, but I had
guys like you, Paul Rad, Bob Z, et al. to encourage me through the
hard times.
Bob Z especially. Every time I considered giving up on ripping
and gluing all those boards to make the top, I thought about the
potential of losing bragging rights over Bob. That kept me going.
;-)
> Try one of the board jacks like McKinley's on page 103 of Landis'
> Workbench Book. Your jack board is the right height for it to hook
> onto. I'd make the adjustment more fine, though. His look to be in
> 3" increments. I'd get anal and go with 1/2" teeth.
I don't have the book here with me, but I think I know the one
you're talking about (I got to know that book quite well over the
last few months). I'll look at it tonight. Also, I can always go
for a bench slave like your friend Frank uses.
Chuck Vance
Tom Brown
> Built a real workbench with all dimensioning/joining done by hand.
> You can see it at ...
> ... you can also see some goofy pics of me standing next to it at ...
> ... a couple of Guntershaves sitting on said bench at ...
> ... you can see a pic of SWMBO, the lovely and talented Carol at ...
It's a bit of a poser and it's easy to see why. You are a true craftsman.
Your bench looks stunning. Congratulations.
You may not realize how inspiring it is for a normite like me to see work
such as this. Thank you for sharing it. I can't wait for Doug's book to
arrive so I can begin playing around with some hand tools.
> Chuck Vance
Best regards,
Tom Brown
jfba...@qwest.net
Other"? :)
I'm looking at digi-cams, what model do you guys have?
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john :)
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count on having both at once." R.A.H.
jfba...@qwest.net
Conan The Librarian wrote:
> snip
> maybe we should come up with a "Lie-Nielsen" as a new unit of
> measurement. :-)
> snip
I thought a "Lie-Nielson" was what they used for rating TV shows. :))
>
>
> I don't have the book here with me, but I think I know the one
> you're talking about (I got to know that book quite well over the
> last few months). I'll look at it tonight. Also, I can always go
> for a bench slave like your friend Frank uses.
>
> Chuck Vance
Is that book available from Amazon, or should I be looking elsewhere?
Larry Jaques
crayoned this:
>It looks great, congratulations. How do you like using a leg vise?
That reminds me to congratulate him for putting it on the correct
side of the bench.
Pam Niedermayer
the "negative". :)
Pam
--
Doug Winterburn
>
> Nice. BTW, does SWMBO stand for "Super Wife Most Beautiful
> Other"? :)
>
> I'm looking at digi-cams, what model do you guys have?
SWMBO (standard definition) has a Ricoh 5300.
-Doug
Pete
always have a vice to my left. Also them's some pretty expensive planing tools
you have, but please lay them on their sides when not in use.:-)
Pete
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Beej
Mighty fine looking bench there, lad. KUTGW.
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Nuno Souto
> Short version: Built a real workbench with all dimensioning/joining
>done by hand.
Oh man! You terminally SUCK! Love that leg-vise: never got around
adding one to my bench, I'm jealous!
>
> Just for kicks, I included a shot of a couple of Guntershaves
>sitting on said bench at: http://swt.edu/~cv01/shaves.jpg
>
That grain looks gorgeous! Oh yeah, the shaves are not bad either.
<suckage sounds>
> Finally, you can see a pic of SWMBO, the lovely and talented Carol
>at: http://swt.edu/~cv01/carolbench.jpg
>
By the smile in SWMBO's face, it ain't gonna be yours for long...
<you *got* her a kitchen table before this, didn't you? Oh, you
didn't? You poor fella!...>
>
> Surfacing was done with my L-N #62 (you know what it is, Nuno) with
>a toothing iron,
You gotta see that dentist pronto! ;-)
>woodworking god who is purported to be able to plane a benchtop to
>0.001" tolerances,
Oh yeah, sure! Then the sun goes down and it's 0.01"...
> No dogholes yet; I'll add
>those as I work and find out where they would be most handy.
Very sensible. Mine went in six months later.
> 1. Get an old *real* mortise chisel instead of the 1" framing
>chisel.
Yes, those wider sides make a world of difference. Much more
self-guiding.
>
> 2. Build the base with power tools, and buy the top.
Sissy!... ;-)
>When jointing the boards for the top, I found that I needed to rig up a
>a jack arrangement with a dowel inserted through a wood block to level
>the boards with the vise. (It can be seen sitting on a bin to the
What you need is a shelf under the bench to keep all the wood blocks
you'll be needing! Ther's no such thing as an ideal height for the
dowels, you'll forever be using rising blocks of different heights and
thickness. Better accept it and build a shelf for them upfront.
DAMHIKT...
>
> Well, thanks for reading this far. Now that I've got the bench
>done, I guess I'd better come up with some other projects to make. ;-)
Full reports expected by 09:00 tomorrow!
Well done! Super work.
Cheers
Nuno Souto
nso...@bigpond.net.au.nospam
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/the_Den/index.html
Conan The Librarian
In article <3A882E1B...@swp.com>, Tom Brown <tom....@swp.com>
writes:
> Conan the Librarian wrote:
>
>> Built a real workbench with all dimensioning/joining done by hand.
>
> It's a bit of a poser and it's easy to see why. You are a true craftsman.
> Your bench looks stunning. Congratulations.
Thanks. I think I'll save this post and send it to SWMBO. Then the
next time she complains about me taking too long to finish something, I
can just remind her that I'm a craftsman, and craftsmaen cannot be
rushed. ;-)
> You may not realize how inspiring it is for a normite like me to see work
> such as this. Thank you for sharing it. I can't wait for Doug's book to
> arrive so I can begin playing around with some hand tools.
Now that is great to hear. You won't be sorry if you go down that
path. You don't necessarily even have to be a Luddite like me, but
learning to use handtools will make you a better woodworker no matter
what tools you choose to use in the future.
(And you can't go wrong with St. Doug's books. They are must-reads
for anyone interested in doing the small box thing.)
Chuck Vance
Conan The Librarian
In article <3A883697...@qwest.net>, jfba...@qwest.net
writes:
> I'm looking at digi-cams, what model do you guys have?
It's a Sony, DSC-F505, I think. I know it's got a Zeiss lens and
a rotating lens/body. Even a Neanderthal like myself can tell it's
an excellent camera, and it's been favorably reviewed.
BTW, SWMBO mentioned last night that the photos we posted were
shot at *low* resolution. So they weren't even the best it can do.
:-)
Chuck Vance
Conan The Librarian
In article <3A883927...@qwest.net>, jfba...@qwest.net
writes:
> [Workbench Book]
>
> Is that book available from Amazon, or should I be looking elsewhere?
Yes, they have it. Paperback is about $18, and hardcover is ~$28.
They also have a Taunton set that includes the Workbench Book, The
Toolbox Book and The Workshop Book, all in paperback for $44.
Chuck Vance
Conan The Librarian
In article <20010212170417...@ng-mo1.aol.com>,
pete...@aol.comchippy (Pete) writes:
> Nice bench Chuck, but a couple of things don' t jive. Are you left handed?
Yep. I'm a lefty.
> I
> always have a vice to my left. Also them's some pretty expensive planing tools
> you have, but please lay them on their sides when not in use.:-)
I've read folks who advocate both schools of thought. I used to
be anal about keeping them on their sides, but I don't see the point
anymore. As long as I'm setting them on wood, how is that going to
harm them?
FWIW, all the tool storage I've made is built for them to go with
their soles down, but I line my tool storage with carpet or cork.
When they're in use, they're likely to be set on their sides on
the bench.
I pay much more attention to not leaving them in a spot where
they are likely to get knocked to the floor, than I do to whether
they are on their sides or soles. YMMV.
Chuck Vance
Conan The Librarian
In article <3a890b84.6009378@news-server>,
nso...@nsw.bigpond.net.au.nospam (Nuno Souto) writes:
> Oh man! You terminally SUCK! Love that leg-vise: never got around
> adding one to my bench, I'm jealous!
I don't know why, but I fell in love with the idea of using
a leg vise a while back. I guess it just seems so galootish. :-)
> That grain looks gorgeous! Oh yeah, the shaves are not bad either.
> <suckage sounds>
Tendjew. Too bad the shot of the cocobolo doesn't show the
grain in that low light. It's actually quite pretty. (And man,
does it work.)
> By the smile in SWMBO's face, it ain't gonna be yours for long...
> <you *got* her a kitchen table before this, didn't you? Oh, you
> didn't? You poor fella!...>
Er ... uh ... well, I did promise her that if she wanted a table
like that, I would be glad to build her one.
>>woodworking god who is purported to be able to plane a benchtop to
>>0.001" tolerances,
>
> Oh yeah, sure! Then the sun goes down and it's 0.01"...
He's a hoot, no? He's the same guy who said he could get by with
just a #4-1/2 and #7 for his bench planes.
>> No dogholes yet; I'll add
>>those as I work and find out where they would be most handy.
>
> Very sensible. Mine went in six months later.
The more advice I get from folks, the more it looks like I might
not be adding too many. Just enough for some strategically-placed
holdfasts.
>>When jointing the boards for the top, I found that I needed to rig up a
>>a jack arrangement with a dowel inserted through a wood block to level
>>the boards with the vise. (It can be seen sitting on a bin to the
>
> What you need is a shelf under the bench to keep all the wood blocks
> you'll be needing! Ther's no such thing as an ideal height for the
> dowels, you'll forever be using rising blocks of different heights and
> thickness. Better accept it and build a shelf for them upfront.
> DAMHIKT...
I guess I could always just store them on my plane shelf under
the bench.
>> Well, thanks for reading this far. Now that I've got the bench
>>done, I guess I'd better come up with some other projects to make. ;-)
>
> Full reports expected by 09:00 tomorrow!
Well, last night I put on the last coats of shellac for a Valentine's
Day jewelry box for SWMBO. Then I started making a replacement handle
for the crappy plastic one that came with my Nobex mitre box. I was
playing around tweaking the saw the other day, and I finally got it
adjusted so it seemed to work really well for me, but I hate that handle.
So it's going to have a mesquite handle added to it. Locally
grown mesquite, no less. That oughta add a little class to the thing.
(And you know what tool did the best job on endgrain mesquite? That
little cocobolo shave. Smoooooth.)
> Well done! Super work.
Thanks, Nuno.
Chuck Vance
Pete
That's what I like about the wreck. Your reasons make a lot of sense. I
always lay planes down on their sides but it is just a habit I was forced into
by mentors. Mind you the other argument is why take a razor sharp blade and
expose it to wood contact when you are not using it to cut the wood?
Anyway nice bench, nice planes and you certainly have a nice big load of skill.
Conan The Librarian
In article <20010213104558...@ng-ce1.aol.com>,
pete...@aol.comchippy (Pete) writes:
> Chuck
> That's what I like about the wreck. Your reasons make a lot of sense. I
> always lay planes down on their sides but it is just a habit I was forced into
> by mentors. Mind you the other argument is why take a razor sharp blade and
> expose it to wood contact when you are not using it to cut the wood?
> Anyway nice bench, nice planes and you certainly have a nice big load of skill.
Pete,
Thanks for the kind words. I agree that it's nice to be able to
talk about these things and even disagree, yet still listen to the
other person's logic.
I understand the argument about exposing the iron to wood contact
when it's not being used. The flip side of that is when a plane is
on its side, it has the iron exposed and you risk contacting it with
other tools on the bench.
So both sides have their merits. I just don't get overly concerned
either way.
Chuck Vance
Larry Jaques
crayoned this:
> Oh, I could have afforded maple. But I figure I'll get the
>kinks out on this first bench and then I can make my "ultimate"
>one down theline.
>
> Any bets that I'll be done with my ultimate one before you've got
>a "real" one made? ;-)
Newp. I'm going for a carving bench first. And all I have left to do
on it is draw up a sketch/plans, cut the wood, cut the joints, drill
the doggies, and put it together. How long can -that- take? <chortle>
>>> That look on her face and her body language indicate the thought going
>>> through her mind to be "MINE, ALL MINE!"
>
> That hadn't dawned on me. And here I was thinking that she was
>just admiring the nice job I'd done. :-}
It looks like you'll be doing that "ultimate" bench sooner than you'd
thought, eh?
>>> Yes, good, clear pics. Congrats.
>
> Tendjew. Carol is as much a technogeek as I am a galoot, so she's
>been wanting a really good digicam. And for the price of that
>bastahd, it better be. That thing cost as much as 3 or 4 L-N's. (Hey,
>maybe we should come up with a "Lie-Nielsen" as a new unit of
>measurement. :-)
What is it, a semi-pro Nikon digital back?
>> I thought that planing-board/apron was a bit low, indicating that
>> you'd be working only on nice, wide boards.
>
> Well, I want to have that capacity, but I forgot to allow for the
>smaller pieces.
Derailed by details once again...
>>>(I hate to think what it would have been like trying to do that with
>>>pipe-clamps),
>>
>> Why?
>
> K-bodies are deeper than 3", so they made it a breeze to get things
>flat and true. They also can be stood on their ends (and stay that
>way) for storage and alignment. Also, you don't have to fiddle around
>to insure that you get perfect lateral clamping pressure.
>
> No comparison.
Oh, OK. (keyword there: perfect) <w,w,n,n,snm,snm>
>>> I saw that. You should have gone for the couple feet of Jarrah
>>> and given me the L-N instead, but the Stanley is just fine. It
>>> WILL see use, I promise. ;)
>
> Now that you "undubbed it", eh? :-)
Oui! Ze sharp edge makes it a much better tool.
(The check left yesterday)
> Thanks, Lar. I felt like I was fighting it at times, but I had
>guys like you, Paul Rad, Bob Z, et al. to encourage me through the
>hard times.
You realize that we say it as much for ourselves as for you. ;)
That's hard work.
> Bob Z especially. Every time I considered giving up on ripping
>and gluing all those boards to make the top, I thought about the
>potential of losing bragging rights over Bob. That kept me going.
>;-)
That'll surely do it, won't it? Heh heh heh.
> I don't have the book here with me, but I think I know the one
>you're talking about (I got to know that book quite well over the
>last few months). I'll look at it tonight. Also, I can always go
>for a bench slave like your friend Frank uses.
I think I'd prefer one built into the bench than Uncle Frank's
solo model. It'd slide out of the way so as to never get in the
way or lost.
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wrote:
>
> He's a hoot, no? He's the same guy who said he could get by with
>just a #4-1/2 and #7 for his bench planes.
>
Oh sure! I can get by with noodles only. Do I *want* to? Nope. Do I
*need* to? No bloody way! Give me a juicy steak anytime.
>> thickness. Better accept it and build a shelf for them upfront.
>> DAMHIKT...
>
> I guess I could always just store them on my plane shelf under
>the bench.
>
Hmmm. I'd keep them separate. Even if it is just a box on the plane
shelf. Those things will get under/over/next/across your planes every
single time. I find keeping them in their own area makes a diff.
> Well, last night I put on the last coats of shellac for a Valentine's
>Day jewelry box for SWMBO.
Oh man! I'm in deep s..t! Completely forgot about that!
>
> So it's going to have a mesquite handle added to it. Locally
>grown mesquite, no less. That oughta add a little class to the thing.
It makes a world of difference, doesn't it?
Conan The Librarian
In article <htti8t42lb59cmk33...@4ax.com>, Larry Jaques
<lja...@diversify.com> writes:
> On 12 Feb 2001 12:02:52 CST, cv...@tegan.swt.edu (Conan The Librarian)
> crayoned this:
>
>> Any bets that I'll be done with my ultimate one before you've got
>>a "real" one made? ;-)
>
> Newp. I'm going for a carving bench first. And all I have left to do
> on it is draw up a sketch/plans, cut the wood, cut the joints, drill
> the doggies, and put it together. How long can -that- take? <chortle>
Heh. So how long did it take you to make spokeshave, Lar? ;-)
>> That hadn't dawned on me. And here I was thinking that she was
>>just admiring the nice job I'd done. :-}
>
> It looks like you'll be doing that "ultimate" bench sooner than you'd
> thought, eh?
I made a deal with her. If she lets me keep the bench I'll make
her another one just like it (but without that notch cut out of the
top). :-)
> [digicam]
>
> What is it, a semi-pro Nikon digital back?
Nah, it's a Sony DSC-F505 w/Zeiss lens. We looked at a lot of them,
and that one had what she wanted, as well as receiving very good reviews.
>> K-bodies are deeper than 3", so they made it a breeze to get things
>>flat and true. They also can be stood on their ends (and stay that
>>way) for storage and alignment. Also, you don't have to fiddle around
>>to insure that you get perfect lateral clamping pressure.
>>
>> No comparison.
>
> Oh, OK. (keyword there: perfect) <w,w,n,n,snm,snm>
*Burma!*
Oops, sorry ... I lost me 'ead. :-)
IME, pipe clamps almost always exert pressure that is non-lateral,
and I've fiddled with dowels to try to re-orient that pressure. It's
a hassle, to say the least.
>> Now that you "undubbed it", eh? :-)
>
> Oui! Ze sharp edge makes it a much better tool.
> (The check left yesterday)
Cool, thanks. Hope you enjoy the plane. I figure it's got a few
more years of use left in it yet. :-)
>> Thanks, Lar. I felt like I was fighting it at times, but I had
>>guys like you, Paul Rad, Bob Z, et al. to encourage me through the
>>hard times.
>
> You realize that we say it as much for ourselves as for you. ;)
> That's hard work.
Sweating vicariously, eh?
>> Bob Z especially. Every time I considered giving up on ripping
>>and gluing all those boards to make the top, I thought about the
>>potential of losing bragging rights over Bob. That kept me going.
>>;-)
>
> That'll surely do it, won't it? Heh heh heh.
Especially when he keeps teasing me by offering me the services of
his tailed demons. Or suggesting that I wouldn't be finished until
the year 2005. Why it only took me four months from start to finish.
:-}
Chuck Vance
Conan The Librarian
In article <3a8a4f34.3566209@news-server>,
nso...@nsw.bigpond.net.au.nospam (Nuno Souto) writes:
> On 13 Feb 2001 09:22:04 CST, cv...@tegan.swt.edu (Conan The Librarian)
> wrote:
>>
>> He's a hoot, no? He's the same guy who said he could get by with
>>just a #4-1/2 and #7 for his bench planes.
>
> Oh sure! I can get by with noodles only. Do I *want* to? Nope. Do I
> *need* to? No bloody way! Give me a juicy steak anytime.
I've seen your collection of planes, Nuno. I'd say you're more
of a steak *and* lobster man. ;-)
>> I guess I could always just store them on my plane shelf under
>>the bench.
>
> Hmmm. I'd keep them separate. Even if it is just a box on the plane
> shelf. Those things will get under/over/next/across your planes every
> single time. I find keeping them in their own area makes a diff.
I'll keep that in mind.
>> Well, last night I put on the last coats of shellac for a Valentine's
>>Day jewelry box for SWMBO.
>
> Oh man! I'm in deep s..t! Completely forgot about that!
And it's ... like ... tomorrow there already, right? ;-)
>> So it's going to have a mesquite handle added to it. Locally
>>grown mesquite, no less. That oughta add a little class to the thing.
>
> It makes a world of difference, doesn't it?
I imagine so. The mesquite handle is coming along nicely. I spent
a little while refining the shape yesterday. It's based on a couple of
nice old saws I've got.
This is super fun "work"; a "microplane" for roughing the shape,
followed by a #50 (cabinet rasp, Jeff), my little cocobolo spokeshave
and various contours of scrapers. Super peaceful and meditative stuff,
as you shape a little, step back and eyeball things, shape a bit more,
etc. I seriously think I could stand to carve for a living. :-)
Chuck Vance
Larry Jaques
crayoned this:
> Heh. So how long did it take you to make spokeshave, Lar? ;-)
The one I started in '99 and finally finished (LV mouth added) THIS
year? Awhile, I reckon.
> Nah, it's a Sony DSC-F505 w/Zeiss lens. We looked at a lot of them,
>and that one had what she wanted, as well as receiving very good reviews.
I'm not familiar with it, but it seems to work well. Give it the real
test: try it in low light.
>> Oh, OK. (keyword there: perfect) <w,w,n,n,snm,snm>
>
> *Burma!*
>
> Oops, sorry ... I lost me 'ead. :-)
I missed the "Burma!" ref, mate.
> IME, pipe clamps almost always exert pressure that is non-lateral,
>and I've fiddled with dowels to try to re-orient that pressure. It's
>a hassle, to say the least.
>
>>> Now that you "undubbed it", eh? :-)
>>
>> Oui! Ze sharp edge makes it a much better tool.
>> (The check left yesterday)
>
> Cool, thanks. Hope you enjoy the plane. I figure it's got a few
>more years of use left in it yet. :-)
Yeah, a few or more years.
>> You realize that we say it as much for ourselves as for you. ;)
>> That's hard work.
>
> Sweating vicariously, eh?
Uh, you betcha.
> Especially when he keeps teasing me by offering me the services of
>his tailed demons. Or suggesting that I wouldn't be finished until
>the year 2005. Why it only took me four months from start to finish.
>:-}
But it LOOKS like 4 months of work vs 1 weekend (which is what the
tailed output can look like far too often).
A gloat for my fellow Galoots to drool over. Check out the bay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=554574619
Now to find the switch to turn it from Tool Collection mode into
Sweatin' n' Grinnin' mode.
Nuno Souto
wrote:
> I've seen your collection of planes, Nuno. I'd say you're more
>of a steak *and* lobster man. ;-)
Nah! Never mix red seafood with red meat. Spoils the lot. Mud crab,
now that's another thing...
>> Oh man! I'm in deep s..t! Completely forgot about that!
>
> And it's ... like ... tomorrow there already, right? ;-)
Bummer. I had to spend *BIG* to get over this one! Patched up now.
>and various contours of scrapers. Super peaceful and meditative stuff,
>as you shape a little, step back and eyeball things, shape a bit more,
>etc. I seriously think I could stand to carve for a living. :-)
>
Give it a go. I'm enjoying it immensely! After a stress day at woik,
20 minutes of the stuff and I'm ready to cope with the kids.
Conan The Librarian
In article <p5vm8t0v0f5s221jq...@4ax.com>, Larry Jaques
<lja...@diversify.com> writes:
> On 14 Feb 2001 08:02:25 CST, cv...@tegan.swt.edu (Conan The Librarian)
> crayoned this:
>
>> Nah, it's a Sony DSC-F505 w/Zeiss lens. We looked at a lot of them,
>>and that one had what she wanted, as well as receiving very good reviews.
>
> I'm not familiar with it, but it seems to work well. Give it the real
> test: try it in low light.
Those photos *were* taken in low light. :-)
>>> Oh, OK. (keyword there: perfect) <w,w,n,n,snm,snm>
>>
>> *Burma!*
>>
>> Oops, sorry ... I lost me 'ead. :-)
>
> I missed the "Burma!" ref, mate.
Just another MPFC ref. I believe it was from the "Penguin on the
television set" skit.
>> Cool, thanks. Hope you enjoy the plane. I figure it's got a few
>>more years of use left in it yet. :-)
>
> Yeah, a few or more years.
As in 100 or more.
>> Especially when he keeps teasing me by offering me the services of
>>his tailed demons. Or suggesting that I wouldn't be finished until
>>the year 2005. Why it only took me four months from start to finish.
>>:-}
>
> But it LOOKS like 4 months of work vs 1 weekend (which is what the
> tailed output can look like far too often).
Well, thanks. Of course I forgot to add that even while I was
working on the bench I was still doing other projects like the koa
box, stepstool and finally, a little tile-lidded keepsake box that
I gave SWMBO yesterday for Valentine's Day. (Pics will be
forthcoming.)
And all of these were exclusively handtooled projects.
> A gloat for my fellow Galoots to drool over. Check out the bay:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=554574619
>
> Now to find the switch to turn it from Tool Collection mode into
> Sweatin' n' Grinnin' mode.
Congrats on the "planes", Lar. :-) So, you got a treadle lathe?
:-)
Chuck Vance
Conan The Librarian
In article <3a8bb217.5072610@news-server>,
nso...@nsw.bigpond.net.au.nospam (Nuno Souto) writes:
> On 14 Feb 2001 08:29:38 CST, cv...@tegan.swt.edu (Conan The Librarian)
> wrote:
>
>> And it's ... like ... tomorrow there already, right? ;-)
>
> Bummer. I had to spend *BIG* to get over this one! Patched up now.
Chuck's First Rule on Keeping a Happy Marriage: Memorize and mark
on the calendar three dates: SWMBO's birthday, your anniversary and
Valentine's day.
You can make all sort of other blunders and survive, but miss one of
those and you're toast. :-}
>>and various contours of scrapers. Super peaceful and meditative stuff,
>>as you shape a little, step back and eyeball things, shape a bit more,
>>etc. I seriously think I could stand to carve for a living. :-)
>>
>
> Give it a go. I'm enjoying it immensely! After a stress day at woik,
> 20 minutes of the stuff and I'm ready to cope with the kids.
Oh, that's right ... you've been giving carving a try, haven't you?
So, how many new tools do I need for that particular hobby? ;-)
Chuck Vance
Joe Gorman
for a start.
http://www.fine-tools.com/bildhau.htm
Larry Jaques
crayoned this:
>> I'm not familiar with it, but it seems to work well. Give it the real
>> test: try it in low light.
>
> Those photos *were* taken in low light. :-)
Fluor heaven is "low light"?!?
> Just another MPFC ref. I believe it was from the "Penguin on the
>television set" skit.
I've seen mucho Monty, but haven't ever seen that particular skit.
Bummer!
>>> Cool, thanks. Hope you enjoy the plane. I figure it's got a few
>>>more years of use left in it yet. :-)
>>
>> Yeah, a few or more years.
>
> As in 100 or more.
At least.
> Well, thanks. Of course I forgot to add that even while I was
>working on the bench I was still doing other projects like the koa
>box, stepstool and finally, a little tile-lidded keepsake box that
>I gave SWMBO yesterday for Valentine's Day. (Pics will be
>forthcoming.)
Ayup, we figured as much.
>> A gloat for my fellow Galoots to drool over. Check out the bay:
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=554574619
>>
>> Now to find the switch to turn it from Tool Collection mode into
>> Sweatin' n' Grinnin' mode.
>
> Congrats on the "planes", Lar. :-) So, you got a treadle lathe?
>:-)
Yeah, I'm probably the owner of those gouges because they were
mis-titled "planes" on *b*y.
RE: treadle lathe, I got something quite close to it. It's an old
c: 50's tailed thing I picked up at an Old Tools swap meet for $10
with 2 motors for another $10, so it actually cost me $15 + a new
(recycled computer) cord. I had a spare exterior light switch that
I wired in and screwed onto the front of my old sawhorse. A friend
gave me his Unisaw faceplate which bolts right onto this 5/8" shaft.
Now I can make bowels! (As some savvy fella spelled it recently.)
<vbg>
I do have a couple recipes for treadle wheels that I want to try.
With this motor-danglin' style of lathe, anything is possible.
Nuno Souto
wrote:
>
> Oh, that's right ... you've been giving carving a try, haven't you?
>So, how many new tools do I need for that particular hobby? ;-)
>
Hmmm, let's just say I now have a choice between two slippery
slopes...
:-D
Conan The Librarian
In article <crlo8tgql6peihfla...@4ax.com>, Larry Jaques
<lja...@diversify.com> writes:
> On 15 Feb 2001 08:22:06 CST, cv...@tegan.swt.edu (Conan The Librarian)
> crayoned this:
>
>> Those photos *were* taken in low light. :-)
>
> Fluor heaven is "low light"?!?
The only lights in those pics were a couple of incandescents (and
what little ambient light you get from a totally overcast 5:15 winter
afternoon).
>> Just another MPFC ref. I believe it was from the "Penguin on the
>>television set" skit.
>
> I've seen mucho Monty, but haven't ever seen that particular skit.
> Bummer!
It's pretty typical Python; Palin and Jones are playing old women and
it ends with "And now the penguin on your television set will explode".
:-)
>> Well, thanks. Of course I forgot to add that even while I was
>>working on the bench I was still doing other projects like the koa
>>box, stepstool and finally, a little tile-lidded keepsake box that
>>I gave SWMBO yesterday for Valentine's Day. (Pics will be
>>forthcoming.)
>
> Ayup, we figured as much.
Hey, I have to have something to gloat about. I sure don't find any
cheap tools around here, so I figure the least I can do is actually
make something with the ones I've got.
Ooops, sorry ... no offense. I forgot who I was talking to. ;-)
Heh.
>> Congrats on the "planes", Lar. :-) So, you got a treadle lathe?
>>:-)
>
> Yeah, I'm probably the owner of those gouges because they were
> mis-titled "planes" on *b*y.
Well, however you got them, it's a good score.
> RE: treadle lathe, I got something quite close to it. It's an old
> c: 50's tailed thing I picked up at an Old Tools swap meet for $10
> with 2 motors for another $10, so it actually cost me $15 + a new
> (recycled computer) cord. I had a spare exterior light switch that
> I wired in and screwed onto the front of my old sawhorse. A friend
> gave me his Unisaw faceplate which bolts right onto this 5/8" shaft.
> Now I can make bowels! (As some savvy fella spelled it recently.)
> <vbg>
>
> I do have a couple recipes for treadle wheels that I want to try.
> With this motor-danglin' style of lathe, anything is possible.
So we can expect to see lots of your bowels real soon? :-)
BTW, got the check yesterday. Thanks, and enjoy.
Chuck Vance
Larry Jaques
crayoned this:
> The only lights in those pics were a couple of incandescents (and
>what little ambient light you get from a totally overcast 5:15 winter
>afternoon).
Mea culpa. I thought every smart shop owner had fluors.
That must be a good flash unit, too, then.
>>> Just another MPFC ref. I believe it was from the "Penguin on the
>>>television set" skit.
>>
>> I've seen mucho Monty, but haven't ever seen that particular skit.
>> Bummer!
>
> It's pretty typical Python; Palin and Jones are playing old women and
>it ends with "And now the penguin on your television set will explode".
>:-)
The more you mention it, the more it seem familiar. Maybe I didn't key
on it because I didn't think it was all that funny. I like the pet
shop skit best. "Thas no' a budgie!"
> Hey, I have to have something to gloat about. I sure don't find any
>cheap tools around here, so I figure the least I can do is actually
>make something with the ones I've got.
>
> Ooops, sorry ... no offense. I forgot who I was talking to. ;-)
YOU can be replaced.
>> Yeah, I'm probably the owner of those gouges because they were
>> mis-titled "planes" on *b*y.
>
> Well, however you got them, it's a good score.
Yeah. I couldn't MAKE them for that price.
>> I do have a couple recipes for treadle wheels that I want to try.
>> With this motor-danglin' style of lathe, anything is possible.
>
> So we can expect to see lots of your bowels real soon? :-)
Nah. I've already got two.
> BTW, got the check yesterday. Thanks, and enjoy.
Is it still rubbery or has it hardened? <evil grinne>
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In article <m7qq8tsc2f8meg0js...@4ax.com>, Larry Jaques <lja...@diversify.com> writes:
> On 16 Feb 2001 08:22:28 CST, cv...@tegan.swt.edu (Conan The Librarian)
> crayoned this:
>
>> The only lights in those pics were a couple of incandescents (and
>>what little ambient light you get from a totally overcast 5:15 winter
>>afternoon).
>
> Mea culpa. I thought every smart shop owner had fluors.
> That must be a good flash unit, too, then.
No flash was used on those shots. (I'm telling you, this is a *good*
camera. :-)
As for "smart shop owner" -- well, just call me a dumb garage owner.
:-) I do most of my woodworking during daylight hours, and I have task
lighting at various spots.
It hasn't been a problem so far, and we just moved into the house in
June, so I'm still getting a feel for the natural light I get during
different times of the year.
>> Hey, I have to have something to gloat about. I sure don't find any
>>cheap tools around here, so I figure the least I can do is actually
>>make something with the ones I've got.
>>
>> Ooops, sorry ... no offense. I forgot who I was talking to. ;-)
>
> YOU can be replaced.
Hit a nerve, eh? ;-) As for the last project I was talking about,
I got a couple of pics of it yesterday. You can see it at:
http://swt.edu/~cv01/heart01.jpg and http://swt.edu/~cv01/heart02.jpg
It was done completely by hand. The lid is rabbeted to fit, the
"raised panel" on top was done with my L-N #140 and trusty old #60-1/2,
and there's a mesquite panel inside the mitered lid which is visible
from the bottom (and I forgot to get a shot of it *doh*).
The wood is something called canarywood, and it has muted streaks
of crimson, which I thought would offset the look of the tile nicely.
I purposely cut things so the knot would show on the front, as there's
not a lot of interest in the grain other than color.
I also took a pic of a saw handle I was working on to replace the
cheap plastic POS that came with my Nobex mitre box. It's made from
some of that free mesquite I got last year. You can see it at:
http://swt.edu/~cv01/handle01.jpg
>> BTW, got the check yesterday. Thanks, and enjoy.
>
> Is it still rubbery or has it hardened? <evil grinne>
Well, let's just say I droppped it on my way in from the mailbox,
and didn't have to bend over to pick it up. ;-) It seems to have
hardened nicely now.
Chuck Vance
Pam Niedermayer
can take photos in the dim/dark without using a flash? If you're
judging goodness of a digital camera based on whether it can focus
using infrared, fine; but that doesn't make one absolutely good, one
absolutely bad.
Pam
Conan The Librarian wrote:
> ...
> No flash was used on those shots. (I'm telling you, this is a *good*
> camera. :-)
> ...
--
Pamela G. Niedermayer
Pinehill Softworks Inc.
600 W. 28th St., Suite 103
Austin, TX 78705
512-236-1677
http://www.pinehill.com
Philski
I agree with you. and don't most of the "decent"
digital cameras have adjustable sensitivity and
ISO settings?
philski
Pam Niedermayer
There are a lot of good digitals, one of which is Chuck's wife's,
although I don't much care for the memory stick storage utilized in
the Sony's.
Pam
Philski wrote:
>
> pam,
> I agree with you. and don't most of the "decent"
> digital cameras have adjustable sensitivity and
> ISO settings?
>
> philski
>
> Pam Niedermayer wrote:
> >
> > I could use some enlightenment here. Why is a "good" camera one that
> > can take photos in the dim/dark without using a flash? If you're
> > judging goodness of a digital camera based on whether it can focus
> > using infrared, fine; but that doesn't make one absolutely good, one
> > absolutely bad.
> >
> > Pam
> >
> > Conan The Librarian wrote:
> > > ...
> > > No flash was used on those shots. (I'm telling you, this is a *good*
> > > camera. :-)
--
Conan The Librarian
In article <3A9151E1...@cape.com>, Pam Niedermayer
<pam_...@cape.com> writes:
> I could use some enlightenment here. Why is a "good" camera one that
> can take photos in the dim/dark without using a flash? If you're
> judging goodness of a digital camera based on whether it can focus
> using infrared, fine; but that doesn't make one absolutely good, one
> absolutely bad.
Knowing next to nothing about digital cameras (I was raised
with SLR's myself), I was simply trying to make the case that a
camera that can take a good, clear photo on auto, with no flash,
in a lowlight setting (on the lowest resolution setting, btw)
seems like a good camera to me.
That has always been a litmus test for me. I'll leave it to
the technogeeks to debate the particulars of what that means wrt
digicams; I'm just interested in the results.
Chuck Vance
Larry Jaques
crayoned this:
>> That must be a good flash unit, too, then.
>
> No flash was used on those shots. (I'm telling you, this is a *good*
>camera. :-)
Wow, you're right!
> The wood is something called canarywood, and it has muted streaks
>of crimson, which I thought would offset the look of the tile nicely.
>I purposely cut things so the knot would show on the front, as there's
>not a lot of interest in the grain other than color.
I'm not too keen on that canarywood, and I got dizzy looking at the
stripes on the bench underneath it. Nice little box, tho.
> I also took a pic of a saw handle I was working on to replace the
>cheap plastic POS that came with my Nobex mitre box. It's made from
>some of that free mesquite I got last year. You can see it at:
>http://swt.edu/~cv01/handle01.jpg
Bewdy, mate! Lovely wood, that.
>>> BTW, got the check yesterday. Thanks, and enjoy.
>>
>> Is it still rubbery or has it hardened? <evil grinne>
>
> Well, let's just say I droppped it on my way in from the mailbox,
>and didn't have to bend over to pick it up. ;-) It seems to have
>hardened nicely now.
That's good.
I chewed up some wood in the shop on Saturday. Since I hadn't made
sure that the plank was properly supported and stable for the cut
with the Normite hand tool, it got near the end of the cut and closed
up, jumping the skilsaur up on top of the backside of the jarrah and
taking a 1x2x3/8" hunk out before putting the crease in the edge.
(No fingers were harmed in this experiment, but the air turned blue.)
Now I'm pondering (1) dowels vs bisquicks and (2) whether or not to
taper the underside of the top to remove the evidence.
Stupid Shop Tricks Pt. 2 will be aired next weekend. :(
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wrote:
>I could use some enlightenment here. Why is a "good" camera one that
>can take photos in the dim/dark without using a flash? If you're
>judging goodness of a digital camera based on whether it can focus
>using infrared, fine; but that doesn't make one absolutely good, one
>absolutely bad.
Pam, I've been into this sort of stuff now for a while, both with
video and digital cameras. Many digital cameras loose resolution and
contrast at low light levels. They are replaced by random noise.
This is compensated somewhat by special circuitry that in most cases
is for all intents and purposes a noise filter.
The better cameras have lenses that gather more light (bigger
effective aperture) and sensors that can capture good detail at lower
light levels. Sometimes they also have "electronic intensifiers"
(which do absolutely nothing but further increase grain).
There is also colour compensation. The old problem of daylight vs
fluor vs incandescent is still there, but some cameras are better than
others at providing an accurate white balance (some even provide a
manual white balance, still the best solution). As light levels get
low, the sensitivity of the white balance circuitry becomes very
relevant. This is where most cheaper cameras fail.
Of course, infrared focusing has a place here too. As light levels get
low and contrast goes out the window, it becomes next to impossible to
get good focusing when using a constrast-driven system.
But as you said, YMMV. It's very hard to compare A with B, the system
of disclosing this sort of information is nowhere as standardized as
for example in video. In general, a camera that is good in low light
is usually very good on the rest, as the quality of the circuitry and
lenses should show up everywhere. Note: I said "in general"...
Conan The Librarian
In article <mh239tg8ki3h8e4mi...@4ax.com>, Larry
Jaques <lja...@diversify.com> writes:
> On 19 Feb 2001 08:08:01 CST, cv...@tegan.swt.edu (Conan The Librarian)
> crayoned this:
>
>> The wood is something called canarywood, and it has muted streaks
>>of crimson, which I thought would offset the look of the tile nicely.
>>I purposely cut things so the knot would show on the front, as there's
>>not a lot of interest in the grain other than color.
>
> I'm not too keen on that canarywood, and I got dizzy looking at the
> stripes on the bench underneath it.
You're *always* a bit dizzy, Lar. Especially around pine. ;-)
> Nice little box, tho.
Thanks.
>> I also took a pic of a saw handle I was working on to replace the
>>cheap plastic POS that came with my Nobex mitre box. It's made from
>>some of that free mesquite I got last year. You can see it at:
>>http://swt.edu/~cv01/handle01.jpg
>
> Bewdy, mate! Lovely wood, that.
Most definitely. And that was a relatively bland piece compared to
some of the other stuff I've got drying. But it had the really
prominent dark streaks which add a lot of character to it.
> I chewed up some wood in the shop on Saturday. Since I hadn't made
> sure that the plank was properly supported and stable for the cut
> with the Normite hand tool, it got near the end of the cut and closed
> up, jumping the skilsaur up on top of the backside of the jarrah and
> taking a 1x2x3/8" hunk out before putting the crease in the edge.
> (No fingers were harmed in this experiment, but the air turned blue.)
Yikes, glad to hear that the wood was the only thing harmed. Just
goes to show you that those Normite tools are the devil's work.
When I was ripping the boards for my benchtop, I thought I'd give
my jigsaur a try on one board just for yucks. Sheesh, that thing
flexed so much that it looked like I was trying to cut a miter through
the blasted board. :-} So I put it back in its case (where it will
stay until the next time I need to cut some green or PT wood for
outdoor projects), and got my old ripsaw out.
> Now I'm pondering (1) dowels vs bisquicks and (2) whether or not to
> taper the underside of the top to remove the evidence.
>
> Stupid Shop Tricks Pt. 2 will be aired next weekend. :(
>
> Just Say(tmPL): At least it was the back of a workbench that "got it".
Yep, you can be thankful that was all that got it. At least with
a handsaw, you probably could have figured out what was going to happen
before the situation got out of control.
Well, however you choose to do it, work safe.
Chuck Vance
Pam Niedermayer
> ...
> Pam, I've been into this sort of stuff now for a while, both with
> video and digital cameras. Many digital cameras loose resolution and
> contrast at low light levels. They are replaced by random noise.
> This is compensated somewhat by special circuitry that in most cases
> is for all intents and purposes a noise filter.
Yes, I have, too, for a couple or three years; but film cameras don't
do well without light either. Seems to me the real problem with most
consumer level digital cameras in this area is the lack of manual
control, which would allow us to make long exposures, etc. to
compensate. But no, as is typical, the manufacturers spend all their
time trying to automate everything, often making their cameras
unsuitable for much of anything beyond snapshots.
>
> The better cameras have lenses that gather more light (bigger
> effective aperture) and sensors that can capture good detail at lower
> light levels. Sometimes they also have "electronic intensifiers"
> (which do absolutely nothing but further increase grain).
This is highly debatable. There are typically significant tradeoffs
for lenses with huge apertures, such as weight and size, often image
circle (coverage, circle of good illumination). Now this isn't all
that severe given the tiny format, thus tiny lenses, but it's there.
To me what makes a better camera is interchangeable lenses, higher
resolution, manual exposure control (complete, not some silly EV +/-
override).
>
> There is also colour compensation. The old problem of daylight vs
> fluor vs incandescent is still there, but some cameras are better than
> others at providing an accurate white balance (some even provide a
> manual white balance, still the best solution). As light levels get
> low, the sensitivity of the white balance circuitry becomes very
> relevant. This is where most cheaper cameras fail.
One of the things I love most about digital cameras is the
programmable white balance feature. However, almost all the good
cameras handle this properly.
>
> Of course, infrared focusing has a place here too. As light levels get
> low and contrast goes out the window, it becomes next to impossible to
> get good focusing when using a constrast-driven system.
Hmmm, guess I'm just too old fashioned here, if I need light I provide
it, don't expect the scene to be digitally remastered, so to speak.
And if I want an infrared exposure, something more and more difficult
to obtain in digital cameras (e.g. the Nikon 990 has an infrared
blocker that has to be removed).
>
> But as you said, YMMV. It's very hard to compare A with B, the system
> of disclosing this sort of information is nowhere as standardized as
> for example in video. In general, a camera that is good in low light
> is usually very good on the rest, as the quality of the circuitry and
> lenses should show up everywhere. Note: I said "in general"...
My point was that this ability alone does not define a "good", as in
"really good" camera, unless that is one of the items on which a
camera must be chosen to suit individual needs; and even then there
are many other features that must be weighed to define "goodness".
Pam
Larry Jaques
crayoned this:
>> I'm not too keen on that canarywood, and I got dizzy looking at the
>> stripes on the bench underneath it.
>
> You're *always* a bit dizzy, Lar. Especially around pine. ;-)
Must be the piney tar fumes, y'think?
>> Nice little box, tho.
>
> Thanks.
>
>>> I also took a pic of a saw handle I was working on to replace the
>>>cheap plastic POS that came with my Nobex mitre box. It's made from
>>>some of that free mesquite I got last year. You can see it at:
>>>http://swt.edu/~cv01/handle01.jpg
>>
>> Bewdy, mate! Lovely wood, that.
>
> Most definitely. And that was a relatively bland piece compared to
>some of the other stuff I've got drying. But it had the really
>prominent dark streaks which add a lot of character to it.
That's one of the reasons I love Mesquite, Wenge, Rosewood, and
Goncalo Alves.
> Yikes, glad to hear that the wood was the only thing harmed. Just
>goes to show you that those Normite tools are the devil's work.
True, but I didn't have the energy to crosscut 32 inches of 6/4 Jarrah
on Saturday. Otherwise, the old Piranha blade did a nice, clean job.
Now to drill some doggies.
> When I was ripping the boards for my benchtop, I thought I'd give
>my jigsaur a try on one board just for yucks. Sheesh, that thing
>flexed so much that it looked like I was trying to cut a miter through
>the blasted board. :-} So I put it back in its case (where it will
>stay until the next time I need to cut some green or PT wood for
>outdoor projects), and got my old ripsaw out.
I've got an old B&D jigsaur which hasn't seen the light of day in nigh
onta 20 years. Ditto the routah. The tailed tools are kept in a locked
box on the wayback shelf of the shop, behind the mower.
> Yep, you can be thankful that was all that got it. At least with
>a handsaw, you probably could have figured out what was going to happen
>before the situation got out of control.
Yes, that's a decided advantage to using hand tools. With tailed
devils, damage is far-reaching and instantaneous.
> Well, however you choose to do it, work safe.
Thanks. I strive to always work safely.
Nuno Souto
wrote:
>do well without light either. Seems to me the real problem with most
>consumer level digital cameras in this area is the lack of manual
>control, which would allow us to make long exposures, etc. to
>compensate. But no, as is typical, the manufacturers spend all their
Yup. My feelings exactly. All my video and digital cameras have
complete manual control as well as the usual "program" stuff. Most of
the time I have it on, but when the light is unusual or the take
weird, flip goes the manual and then *I* play with it, not someone
else's program.
>This is highly debatable. There are typically significant tradeoffs
>for lenses with huge apertures, such as weight and size, often image
>circle (coverage, circle of good illumination). Now this isn't all
>that severe given the tiny format, thus tiny lenses, but it's there.
Exactly. And it's not only the aperture, it's the contrast also.
Technically, it's possible to design a very wide aperture lens with
minimal impact on $$$ and size, but the contrast and definition go out
the window. I still think interchangeable lenses is the best overall
solution.
>programmable white balance feature. However, almost all the good
>cameras handle this properly.
Hmmm, I've had a few bad experiences...
>And if I want an infrared exposure, something more and more difficult
>to obtain in digital cameras (e.g. the Nikon 990 has an infrared
>blocker that has to be removed).
Have you ever tried the Ektachrome InfraRed film? I used to play with
it a lot. Fantastic stuff. Weird and wonderful colours. Probably not
what you want in infrared, but in my case I got some excellent
results.
>
>My point was that this ability alone does not define a "good", as in
>"really good" camera, unless that is one of the items on which a
>camera must be chosen to suit individual needs; and even then there
>are many other features that must be weighed to define "goodness".
>
Sure. The problem I have nowadays is that to get the features I want,
which match most of the ones you pointed out, I have to go for the
very expensive cameras. Ended up going for a N950, it was at the time
the only one that could cope with what I wanted to do. But it's miles
away from what I can do with my trusty old film cameras. Yet, it's a
step in the right direction. Only wish Mr. Nikon had allowed me to
swap lenses and use external flash easily...
Charles Self
snip
>>
>>My point was that this ability alone does not define a "good", as in
>>"really good" camera, unless that is one of the items on which a
>>camera must be chosen to suit individual needs; and even then there
>>are many other features that must be weighed to define "goodness".
>>
>
>Sure. The problem I have nowadays is that to get the features I want,
>which match most of the ones you pointed out, I have to go for the
>very expensive cameras. Ended up going for a N950, it was at the time
>the only one that could cope with what I wanted to do. But it's miles
>away from what I can do with my trusty old film cameras. Yet, it's a
>step in the right direction. Only wish Mr. Nikon had allowed me to
>swap lenses and use external flash easily...
I use an Olympus C2020Z for digital work right now and am hoping my client list
holds up so I can step up to the E10. Considerable difference. It offers
everything but the swappable lens. The reason Olympus left off the swap
feature was fairly esoteric, but had to do with maintaining critical distances
that were more finicky than with film, IIRC. What I am looking for is a
digital camera that offers MOST of what my old and battered OM-1s offer, so I
can deal with the lack of swappable lenses, as long as I can get my range
down--I'd prefer, say, a 24mm wide angle to the current 35 (28mm attachment
available), but that's about the only need. Oh yeah. It focuses down to 8",
and I'd really like, say, 1", but I need that about once a year, so I can
probably live without it.
The option is going for one of the Canon or Nikon digital packages with a
start-up cost of well over $4000, compared to a NYC cost of $1500 for the E10.
I could, of course, remain with the C2020, but itis a doozy to deal with when
using studio flash--in fact, I've gone back to floods because it is so much fun
with studio flash.
Charlie Self
Word Worker
Pam Niedermayer
> ...
> Have you ever tried the Ektachrome InfraRed film? I used to play with
> it a lot. Fantastic stuff. Weird and wonderful colours. Probably not
> what you want in infrared, but in my case I got some excellent
> results.
No, I haven't, doing B&W for the moment; but outside digital I'm
shooting large format these days; so the selection is very limited. In
fact, I'm having some fun with the Nikon 950, got an IR filter for it.
Also, think it tends to add some IR in any event, getting some
strange-not-sure-I-like-it-yet-highlight effects, as in blocked but
interesting, when I expose for the shadows.
...
Conan The Librarian
In article <78759tkonlc1a1eqn...@4ax.com>, Larry
Jaques <lja...@diversify.com> writes:
> On 20 Feb 2001 08:04:23 CST, cv...@tegan.swt.edu (Conan The Librarian)
> crayoned this:
>
>> Yikes, glad to hear that the wood was the only thing harmed. Just
>>goes to show you that those Normite tools are the devil's work.
>
> True, but I didn't have the energy to crosscut 32 inches of 6/4 Jarrah
> on Saturday.
Wimp. ;-) I squared up the ends of my bench by hand. I used the
crosscut side of my ryoba for the first one, but it wandered too much
for my tastes. Dug out an old Peace panel saw for the second side.
It cut slow (needs sharpening, as it was part of a batch of saws I
bought for $10 *meep* *meep*), but boy did it track straight.
And just yesterday I decided I needed to start work on squaring up
one of the mesquite half-logs I've got drying in my shop, so out came
the old rip saw. I just eyeballed it, but it came out pretty well.
And when I finish slabbing this thing, I'm gonna have some real purty
hunks of q-sawn mesquite about 36" long x 12-15" wide. I'm thinking I'll
cut a least one to use for planemaking.
Did I mention that the wood was free? <repeat *meep*s here>
>> When I was ripping the boards for my benchtop, I thought I'd give
>>my jigsaur a try on one board just for yucks. Sheesh, that thing
>>flexed so much that it looked like I was trying to cut a miter through
>>the blasted board. :-} So I put it back in its case (where it will
>>stay until the next time I need to cut some green or PT wood for
>>outdoor projects), and got my old ripsaw out.
>
> I've got an old B&D jigsaur which hasn't seen the light of day in nigh
> onta 20 years. Ditto the routah. The tailed tools are kept in a locked
> box on the wayback shelf of the shop, behind the mower.
Wow, you could be describing my shop. I don't lock mine up, but
they are hidden away in the nether reaches behind the mower and some
ladders and garden tools. :-}
>> Yep, you can be thankful that was all that got it. At least with
>>a handsaw, you probably could have figured out what was going to happen
>>before the situation got out of control.
>
> Yes, that's a decided advantage to using hand tools. With tailed
> devils, damage is far-reaching and instantaneous.
How did Paddy describe it? Something like, "When you screw up with
a handtool even someone as dumb as me would have the common sense to
stop before chopping off a finger".
>> Well, however you choose to do it, work safe.
>
> Thanks. I strive to always work safely.
Safe ... safely ... just so the end result is the same. :-)
Chuck Vance
Larry Jaques
crayoned this:
>> True, but I didn't have the energy to crosscut 32 inches of 6/4 Jarrah
>> on Saturday.
>
> Wimp. ;-) I squared up the ends of my bench by hand. I used the
Au contraire, mon ami. Strength and energy are two different things.
>crosscut side of my ryoba for the first one, but it wandered too much
>for my tastes. Dug out an old Peace panel saw for the second side.
>It cut slow (needs sharpening, as it was part of a batch of saws I
>bought for $10 *meep* *meep*), but boy did it track straight.
Tracking is everything. Well, that and sharpness.
> And when I finish slabbing this thing, I'm gonna have some real purty
>hunks of q-sawn mesquite about 36" long x 12-15" wide. I'm thinking I'll
>cut a least one to use for planemaking.
>
> Did I mention that the wood was free? <repeat *meep*s here>
Thou Sucketh, BigTime. Just remember: Gloating over wet wood will
cause it to crack, split, and warp.
>> Yes, that's a decided advantage to using hand tools. With tailed
>> devils, damage is far-reaching and instantaneous.
>
> How did Paddy describe it? Something like, "When you screw up with
>a handtool even someone as dumb as me would have the common sense to
>stop before chopping off a finger".
Yeah, I 'member that one and it still cracks me up.
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Pam Niedermayer <pam_...@cape.com> wrote in article
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>
> No, I haven't, doing B&W for the moment; but outside digital
I'm
> shooting large format these days; so the selection is very
limited. In
> fact, I'm having some fun with the Nikon 950, got an IR
filter for it.
> Also, think it tends to add some IR in any event, getting
some
> strange-not-sure-I-like-it-yet-highlight effects, as in
blocked but
> interesting, when I expose for the shadows.
> ...
>
> Pam
CCD's are sensitive to near infrared wave lengths and
depending on the particular make of the CCD, you will get some
IR effects. I discovered this by accident (although it is
already well known) with my camcorder. The cam corder has a
remote and I noticed after watching a short test I had run that
I could see the flashing light from the IR remote. I believe
you can now buy camcorders that will do minimal IR recording
int he dark (0 LUX).
Pam Niedermayer
example, have IR blockers installed, probably because they've been
getting complaints. Do you know which brand/type CCD isn't sensitive
to IR?
Pam
"D.L." wrote:
> ...
> CCD's are sensitive to near infrared wave lengths and
> depending on the particular make of the CCD, you will get some
> IR effects. I discovered this by accident (although it is
> already well known) with my camcorder. The cam corder has a
> remote and I noticed after watching a short test I had run that
> I could see the flashing light from the IR remote. I believe
> you can now buy camcorders that will do minimal IR recording
> int he dark (0 LUX).
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Nuno Souto
wrote:
>shooting large format these days; so the selection is very limited. In
>fact, I'm having some fun with the Nikon 950, got an IR filter for it.
>Also, think it tends to add some IR in any event, getting some
>strange-not-sure-I-like-it-yet-highlight effects, as in blocked but
>interesting, when I expose for the shadows.
Never tried it, must do. Thanks for the tip.
On large format, what are you using? I've been tempted, but finding
large format slide projectors is like finding a Stanley #1 for $5...
There are some new ones on the Net but with the Australian dollar
impersonating the peso, ther's no way I'll be able to cost-justify one
of those. Guess I'll just have to keep waiting for a good 2nd-hand
one to crop up Down Under.
Aiming for 6X4.5 to start with, I could never relate well to 6X6 and
6X7 is just *way* too wide and heavy. Plus Mamiya makes an absolutely
wonderful wide angle lens for their ETRS! :-)
Then ther's always technical cameras... <sigh>
Charles Self
>>shooting large format these days; so the selection is very limited. In
>>fact, I'm having some fun with the Nikon 950, got an IR filter for it.
>>Also, think it tends to add some IR in any event, getting some
>>strange-not-sure-I-like-it-yet-highlight effects, as in blocked but
>>interesting, when I expose for the shadows.
>
>Never tried it, must do. Thanks for the tip.
>
>On large format, what are you using? I've been tempted, but finding
>large format slide projectors is like finding a Stanley #1 for $5...
>
>There are some new ones on the Net but with the Australian dollar
>impersonating the peso, ther's no way I'll be able to cost-justify one
>of those. Guess I'll just have to keep waiting for a good 2nd-hand
>one to crop up Down Under.
>
>Aiming for 6X4.5 to start with, I could never relate well to 6X6 and
>6X7 is just *way* too wide and heavy. Plus Mamiya makes an absolutely
>wonderful wide angle lens for their ETRS!
Yeah, but Nuno..I was brought up to believe that the smallest format that could
be called large, and this was compressing it, was 4x5. And that's inches.
What you want is a medium format.
I'd really love to fiddle with a 5x7, tilt back and all, but I think the film
costs would bankrupt me, and if not the processing would. Not to mention
camera prices, which tend to make Hasselblad stuff look cheap.
Charlie Self
Word Worker
Conan The Librarian
In article <vqp79tc0gtj1nie6a...@4ax.com>,
Larry Jaques <lja...@diversify.com> writes:
> On 21 Feb 2001 08:05:40 CST, cv...@tegan.swt.edu (Conan The Librarian)
> crayoned this:
>
>> And when I finish slabbing this thing, I'm gonna have some real purty
>>hunks of q-sawn mesquite about 36" long x 12-15" wide. I'm thinking I'll
>>cut a least one to use for planemaking.
>>
>> Did I mention that the wood was free? <repeat *meep*s here>
>
> Thou Sucketh, BigTime. Just remember: Gloating over wet wood will
> cause it to crack, split, and warp.
Not if it's mesquite. :-) This stuff has been drying in my shop
for about nine months now, and I could probably go ahead and use it
now without too much fear of movement.
Oh, since you asked, I've got one section of log with a nice burl.
The rest of the log is a little punky, but the area around the burl
is tight. I sawed out a piece about 12" x 8" x 8" around the burl
(the burl itself is probably 5" x 5"), and plan to seal the ends
and let it dry out some more before I slice it up.
I've never seen a mesquite burl before, so I'm sort of excited to
find out what it will be like.
Did I mention that it was free? ;-)
Chuck Vance
Larry Jaques
crayoned this:
>> Thou Sucketh, BigTime. Just remember: Gloating over wet wood will
>> cause it to crack, split, and warp.
>
> Not if it's mesquite. :-) This stuff has been drying in my shop
>for about nine months now, and I could probably go ahead and use it
>now without too much fear of movement.
In that case, may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.
> Oh, since you asked, I've got one section of log with a nice burl.
>The rest of the log is a little punky, but the area around the burl
>is tight. I sawed out a piece about 12" x 8" x 8" around the burl
>(the burl itself is probably 5" x 5"), and plan to seal the ends
>and let it dry out some more before I slice it up.
>
> I've never seen a mesquite burl before, so I'm sort of excited to
>find out what it will be like.
Hopefully there will be a GIF at 11.
> Did I mention that it was free? ;-)
May the bugs within find a new source of food and freely reproduce
within the frame of your home. (Nah, I couldn't wish my situation
on anyone.) I recant that. Settle for Pfffffffffffffft!
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wrote:
>
>Yeah, but Nuno..I was brought up to believe that the smallest format that could
>be called large, and this was compressing it, was 4x5. And that's inches.
>What you want is a medium format.
Urh-urh-urh! :-)
>
>I'd really love to fiddle with a 5x7, tilt back and all, but I think the film
>costs would bankrupt me, and if not the processing would. Not to mention
>camera prices, which tend to make Hasselblad stuff look cheap.
>
Yes, unfortunately... It's a lovely way of doing photography, but
the $$$ hurts like crazy...
Nuno Souto
wrote:
> I've never seen a mesquite burl before, so I'm sort of excited to
>find out what it will be like.
>
> Did I mention that it was free? ;-)
>
May the Vorpal Rubber Band tangle around the nether regions of your
anatomy.
IOW, major suck!
<G>
D.L.
Pam Niedermayer <pam_...@cape.com> wrote in article
<3A94D0E5...@cape.com>...
> Yes, so it appears. The trick is that some cameras, the Nikon
990 for
> example, have IR blockers installed, probably because they've
been
> getting complaints. Do you know which brand/type CCD isn't
sensitive
> to IR?
>
> Pam
>
Unfortuantely, as far as I know all CCD's are sensitive to
near IR to some degree...it's just the nature of how they work
and how they're made. The IR blockers on the 990 are
electronic, correct? I don't know much about the 990, I have
my eye on the 880 though :-). CCD's are also sensitive to
temperature fluctuations. Digital cameras will exhibit noise
as the exposure times increase due to heat build up. This is
one of the areas that digital camera makers are working hard to
correct.
Conan The Librarian
In article <3a958351.2981804@news-server>,
nso...@nsw.bigpond.net.au.nospam (Nuno Souto) writes:
> On 22 Feb 2001 10:31:37 CST, cv...@tegan.swt.edu (Conan The Librarian)
> wrote:
>
>> I've never seen a mesquite burl before, so I'm sort of excited to
>>find out what it will be like.
>>
>> Did I mention that it was free? ;-)
>>
>
> May the Vorpal Rubber Band tangle around the nether regions of your
> anatomy.
>
> IOW, major suck!
>
> <G>
Tendjew berry mush. :-)
I had a little spare shop puttering time yesterday, so I took the
burl and clamped in my leg vise and sawed off one slice to get to
back edge of the burl. (Did I mention that a leg vise really works
well for clamping odd shapes for sawing?)
Whew, even the back edge has got some fabulous figure to it, and
the contrast between the heartwood and (cream/yellow) sapwood is
striking. There's also a couple of bug tracks that look pretty
cool.
I took a plane to it to clean up the saw marks, and hit it with
some BLO and *shazam*. I can't wait to see what the other side
looks like.
Now I have to figure out what I want to make from it. I've seen
lots of folks put small clocks in burl, but I'm wondering if there
might be a better use for it.
Hmmmm ... maybe it's time for a new thread. :-)
Chuck Vance