WTF! mozilla,
Chocobo_greens
I use linux, i've used it for 3-4 years now, and I1 know NS 4.7 is not the greatest
browser, now that mozilla is moving towards 1, i want to install it, but i really cant
stand having a red star on my desktop or on anything i own for that
matter.
Why on earth did the developers choose such a blatantly political (and
many cases offensive) symbol? is their intention to offend or insult?
millions of people have been killed in the name of that symbol, even
today thousands others are brutally slaughtered and here we see a group
for some strange reason embracing this.
There are places where the presence of a red star makes you a pariah, do
you not want these people to use mozilla? for no falut of their own..
Is mozilla communist or are the developers? or are they just sick
individuals who think it is funny that people have died? you should at
least have the decency to have version without the political images.
Yes, i know that the red star is not just a symbol of communism, but that
is not an excuse, the gold/yellow bordered red star is a blatant communist
image.. second only to the hammer and sickle.
What are we goging to see next? black swastikas on white and red? is this
going to be justified as being a swmbol of other cultures? for the record
the nazi swastika is a mirror image of its asian counter part and is also
tilted on an edge.. thus it is kinda easy to distinguish a nazi swastika
from others. A red star wouldn't be see as communist if it wasnt made in that style,
if anyone has even seen a few communist images or flags for that matter, they
know what style/colors are being used here.
It becasue of extreme people like these that linux in general is not taken as seriously as
it shoudl be and that is very sad. I was not shocked when i first saw the
logo but i thought it was a joke.. along with those "for the good of the
source" banners.. i've come to expect this from the the linux community..
and its amusing.. but this is ridiculous. ( i know mozilla!=linux but
that is the primary browser.. everyone else might as well use IE)
for the record, i dont use mozilla or netscape anymore, i use opera now,
its free, fast, very small and light weight and more powerful and is everything mozilla should
have been but couldn't. Let that red star be a warning label to all, mozilla
does strive to be bloated, buggy, ugly and inefficient.
I call for others like me offended by these images, to simply boycott
mozilla, i dont think we can change the mind set of the radicals and we
might as well let them play with thier star by themselves.
while most other browsers depend on mozilla,
there are other free browsers for linux and other unicies and i
discovered Opera is to be good alternative (www.opera.com) ...
Christopher Jahn
> WTF is with the mozilla logo?
> I use linux, i've used it for 3-4 years now, and I1 know NS
> 4.7 is not the greatest browser, now that mozilla is moving
> towards 1, i want to install it, but i really cant stand
> having a red star on my desktop or on anything i own for
> that matter.
> blablablablablablablabalbla (inane raning snipped)
So quit using Mozilla, and stay in your house to avoid images
that offend you.
And while you're at it, get a life.
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Chocobo_greens
> And it came to pass that Chocobo_greens wrote:
>
>> WTF is with the mozilla logo?
>> I use linux, i've used it for 3-4 years now, and I1 know NS 4.7 is not
>> the greatest browser, now that mozilla is moving towards 1, i want to
>> install it, but i really cant stand having a red star on my desktop or
>> on anything i own for that matter.
>> blablablablablablablabalbla (inane raning snipped)
>
>
> So quit using Mozilla, and stay in your house to avoid images that
> offend you.
>
> And while you're at it, get a life.
>
>
>
>
your point being?
i never said i didnt want to see images that offend me. while some may like it, others may
want to use mozilla but have to have those images on their computer to use it.
mozilla forces people to have a red star display on their computer, and
there is no way to change that short of redoing the code .. look at the installer...
THAT is forcing things on people.
Henrik Gemal
It's just a logo!!!!!!
Everything that has a red star equals communist? Get a life!
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Chocobo_greens
that is very easy for you to say,
for some of us, the red star, like mozilla's is still a symbol of death
and destruction
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1689000/1689997.stm
Its no laughing matter.
Malodushnikh
in America.
In article <3C106768...@gemal.dk>, Henrik Gemal <sp...@gemal.dk>
wrote:
Rolan...@seb.se
> >>WTF is with the mozilla logo?
> >>I use linux, i've used it for 3-4 years now, and I1 know NS
> >>4.7 is not the greatest browser, now that mozilla is moving
> >>towards 1, i want to install it, but i really cant stand
> >>having a red star on my desktop or on anything i own for
> >>that matter.
> >>
> > It's just a logo!!!!!!
> > Everything that has a red star equals communist? Get a life!
> >
>
> that is very easy for you to say,
> for some of us, the red star, like mozilla's is still a
> symbol of death and destruction
>
And that is something You've got to put in the past.
Remember - The star did not kill those millions - people did!
And please - dont't answer that - from this moment I'm going to ignore the
all the followup messages sent to this newsgroup - If you have a beef with
me - we can discuss this in private...
And a request to all the subscribbers - please - don't take the flamebait!
(Oops - too late)
Roland
Adam Sjøgren
> that is very easy for you to say, for some of us, the red star, like
> mozilla's is still a symbol of death and destruction
Sure, sure, you're entitled to that opinion. But what do you propose
instead?
Using enormous amounts of energy on ranting about what is, is far less
constructive, for you, than to use energy on proposing viable
alternatives.
Come up with a set of graphics, that is *so much better* that
everybody can't help to be convinced that it's a good idea to use them
instead, then!
Show us how much better you can make it, or how much better your ideas
are.
Best regards,
--
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http://www.koldfront.dk/misc/capizilla3.jpg as...@koldfront.dk
gavin long
> Chocobo_greens wrote:
>
>>>>WTF is with the mozilla logo?
>>>>I use linux, i've used it for 3-4 years now, and I1 know NS
>>>>4.7 is not the greatest browser, now that mozilla is moving
>>>>towards 1, i want to install it, but i really cant stand
>>>>having a red star on my desktop or on anything i own for
>>>>that matter.
>
> Oh No! NOT AGAIN!...
Amen to that.
(gets out the tin hat, builds a wall of sandbags, and [plonks] the thread)
--
gav
yatsu
> On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 02:32:03 -0500, Chocobo greens wrote:
>
>> that is very easy for you to say, for some of us, the red star, like
>> mozilla's is still a symbol of death and destruction
>
> Sure, sure, you're entitled to that opinion. But what do you propose
> instead?
>
> Using enormous amounts of energy on ranting about what is, is far less
> constructive, for you, than to use energy on proposing viable
> alternatives.
>
> Come up with a set of graphics, that is *so much better* that everybody
> can't help to be convinced that it's a good idea to use them instead,
> then!
>
> Show us how much better you can make it, or how much better your ideas
> are.
Sadly, no (sucessful) action has ever been undertaken to get some of the
suggested icons in mozilla.
Lack of alternatives isn't the problem.
- yatsu
Chocobo_greens
all i asked was that there be a alternavive version of mozilla without
the communist icons for those who wish not to have them.. or at least the
option of not having them .. is that too much to ask?
becasue you are forced to have the icons now. and IMHO that goes against
the point of mozilla .
Chocobo_greens
> And the brutal repression of everything not red, white, and blue begins
> in America.
>
for your information mozilla!=USA, me!=USA,
communist still murder thousands in the world under the red star
yatsu
Not really. If you wish to use mozilla so badly, then simply remove the
icon. It's open source, so, with a put of effort i'm sure you could
remove it.
Another alternative is waiting for the next Netscape release.
While some or many might be offended by this simple graphic, keep in mind
that it is only that; a few colored pixels on a screen with no meaning
intended.
- yatsu
Andrea Monni
>
> all i asked was that there be a alternavive version of mozilla without
> the communist icons for those who wish not to have them.. or at least the
> option of not having them .. is that too much to ask?
> becasue you are forced to have the icons now. and IMHO that goes against
> the point of mozilla .
Troll detected... plocked...
Andrea
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being cast out."
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Jason Bassford
> many cases offensive) symbol? is their intention to offend or insult?
I can't comment on their motives. Whatever their intent was
originally, they MUST know by know that the imagery DOES offend and
insult many people. But nothing has been changed. This has been
brought up in these discussion groups many times. Still, there has
been no satisfactory resolution.
Jason.
yatsu
I'm not sure what happend to the old icons, but no doubt there's a bug
filed on this. All you need is two developers willing to review and one
of them to check it in. This could take about, 10 minutes?
There's likely to be some other reason why no mozilla developers seem
willing to change the icons. Otherwise it'd have been done years ago.
BTW, why not use mozilla.org's favicon? Seems like a rather obvious
solution *if* the lack of a good icon is the problem.
- yatsu
Chuck Messenger
> This file will allow you to have a separate icon for each Mozilla
> application (Browser, Mail/News, etc).
>
> Just unzip the attached file into your chrome directory.
>
> It has the awesome Guivanni icons for the major modules.
Sounds great -- I've always wanted that! But I don't see any attached
file (I'm using the Mozilla news reader, natch)
- Chuck
Chuck Messenger
Oops -- I take it back. I now see the attachment. The problem is, you
have a hyper-long Message-ID in your header. The way the newsreader
works, you can't see the attachment box unless you expand the news
client window to be wide enough to accommodate that ID. If I didn't
have a 1600 pixel wide screen, I wouldn't be able to see it at all.
No doubt this is a known problem...
- Chuck
jesus X
> Sadly, no (sucessful) action has ever been undertaken to get some of the
> suggested icons in mozilla.
>
> Lack of alternatives isn't the problem.
The problem is legal, in the sense of how the license affects theimages in the
releases. The matter is currently under review by some licensing attorneys, so
please, can we just let this play itself out?
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yatsu
> yatsu wrote:
>> Sadly, no (sucessful) action has ever been undertaken to get some of
>> the suggested icons in mozilla.
>>
>> Lack of alternatives isn't the problem.
>
> The problem is legal, in the sense of how the license affects theimages
> in the releases. The matter is currently under review by some licensing
> attorneys, so please, can we just let this play itself out?
Gladly :)
Although it'd be more helpful if we had a bug number where we could
follow the progress of this issue.
- yatsu
jesus X
> Gladly :)
Good. It'll all be taken care of in the near future anyway. As are all issues
when legalities get involved, this is a sticky subject with some ramifications
not seen at first glance.
> Although it'd be more helpful if we had a bug number where we could
> follow the progress of this issue.
You can search for it in the Bugzilla database, but on behalf of everyone
involved (which is rather presumptuous of me), I ask that further comments not
be posted there unless it's something along the lines of "the lawyerbots have
finished the license issues, here's what they said". And since there are only a
couple people who can say that, let's all just read the bug, and not post
useless messages. :)
Ian Thomas
> And it came to pass that Chocobo_greens wrote:
>
>
>>WTF is with the mozilla logo?
>>I use linux, i've used it for 3-4 years now, and I1 know NS
>>4.7 is not the greatest browser, now that mozilla is moving
>>towards 1, i want to install it, but i really cant stand
>>having a red star on my desktop or on anything i own for
>>that matter.
>>blablablablablablablabalbla (inane raning snipped)
>>
>
>
> So quit using Mozilla, and stay in your house to avoid images
> that offend you.
>
> And while you're at it, get a life.
>
I know, lets change all the Mozilla icons and everything to pictures of
a couple of planes about to fly into the world trade centre. That would
make Mozilla really popular.
IMHO The communist symbols are much more offensive than that.
Ian
Ian Thomas
>
No, it needs one of the mozilla.org drivers to realise that this is a
genuine problem and not just a little thing that a couple of users winge
about. Then, they will get a set of new, non-trademarked and inoffensive
images (the red dinosaur fits this description AFAIK).
IMO it should be one of the mozilla1.0 criteria to remove _all_
non-red-dinosaur images from Mozilla.
Ian
Malodushnikh
the far-right hard-liner political views of a few reactionary nuts, then
I will undo everything I've ever contributed to the project.
In article <3C1149E4...@lemnet.com>,
Malodushnikh
In article <3C11465E...@lemnet.com>,
Shawn Russell
Malodushnikh wrote:
> If they're that offensive to you, go use another browser.
Why not just change the icon yourself if it bugs you?
Chuck Messenger
> If Mozilla.org acknowledges this as a problem and removes it to placate
> the far-right hard-liner political views of a few reactionary nuts, then
> I will undo everything I've ever contributed to the project.
Sounds reactionary.
- Chuck
Chocobo_greens
> If Mozilla.org acknowledges this as a problem and removes it to placate
> the far-right hard-liner political views of a few reactionary nuts, then
> I will undo everything I've ever contributed to the project.
>
when something like this is presented, you dont have to be a "far-right
hard-liner" to see what it means...
Redhat71
> yatsu wrote:
>
>> Sadly, no (sucessful) action has ever been undertaken to get some of the
>> suggested icons in mozilla.
>
>
>
> This file will allow you to have a separate icon for each Mozilla
> application (Browser, Mail/News, etc).
>
> Just unzip the attached file into your chrome directory.
>
> It has the awesome Guivanni icons for the major modules.
it seems not working here, redhat71+mozilla 0.9.6
Ian Thomas
> If they're that offensive to you, go use another browser.
>
They aren't offensive to me, but nor would icons of the WTC be offensive
to me. But Mozilla should be a browser for everyone, not just people who
are not offended by these symbols.
If you were running a shop, would you cover the wall with offensive
posters? I doubt it, in most shops that would decrease sales and damage
your image. The same should be true with Mozilla.
Ian
dnar
crap out of keyboard, then stranged a chook.
<endless bant and dribble removed>
Yawn.
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Jonas Jørgensen
> Chocobo_greens wrote:
>
>> Why on earth did the developers choose such a blatantly political (and
>> many cases offensive) symbol? is their intention to offend or insult?
>>
> 1. You have been brainwashed, by 60' American propaganda films.
> 2. Read more history, from books, not from
> www.anti-kommunism-paranoia-redneck-history.com
> 3. Get a grip
> 4. Ger a life
> 5. I you are not still comfortable with Mozilla's symbol, go to
> psychiarist.
>
> After that i hope that you can think actually with your _own_ brains.
[snip very funny picture]
*LOL*!!! :-))
/Jonas
Chris Lee
So if you are a developer with a problem then produce a fix and go
through the channels required to fix it. If you are a user and dont like
it go to one of the distributors (Netscape et all) and use their
'release' version and if you have problems whith their art work talk to
them about it.
The art work in mozilla is only a place holder and is not for general use.
So now lets drop this thread and continue with producing the base for a
great internet aplication suite.
Chris Lee
Chris Lee
Chris Lee
Chris Lee
Malodushnikh
In article <3C11E5C3...@lemnet.com>,
Peter Trudelle
Some of the artwork may be considered to be a placeholder, but most of
the UI is intended for real use, and is kept largely intact by other
distributors.
However, I agree that time spent arguing about the red star is wasted.
Peter
Chris Lee wrote:
> Mozilla is a development project and not for users in the first place.
> ... If you are a user and dont like it go to one of the distributors ...
> So now lets drop this thread ...
JTK
>
> Christopher Jahn wrote:
[snip]
> > So quit using Mozilla, and stay in your house to avoid images
> > that offend you.
> >
> > And while you're at it, get a life.
> >
>
> I know, lets change all the Mozilla icons and everything to pictures of
> a couple of planes about to fly into the world trade centre. That would
> make Mozilla really popular.
>
Please don't give them any more bright ideas.
> IMHO The communist symbols are much more offensive than that.
>
In everyone's HO, except apparently AOLs. Understand why they're doing
it though. One word: China.
> Ian
JTK
>
> Mozilla is a development project and not for users in the first place.
And developers aren't also users?
> So if you are a developer with a problem then produce a fix and go
> through the channels required to fix it.
Many including myself have tried this. The channels won't have it.
Gotta get the Chinese on board you know.
JTK
>
> I insist that you prove that this decreases Mozilla's usage.
>
Considering Mozilla *isn't* used, that'd be pretty hard to do.
CaT
> > IMHO The communist symbols are much more offensive than that.
>
> In everyone's HO, except apparently AOLs. Understand why they're doing
Don't include me in your daft opinion...
> it though. One word: China.
Nor in your crackpot conspiracy theories.
--
CaT - A high level of technology does not a civilisation make.
JTK
>
> On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 02:32:03 -0500, Chocobo greens wrote:
>
> > that is very easy for you to say, for some of us, the red star, like
> > mozilla's is still a symbol of death and destruction
>
> Sure, sure, you're entitled to that opinion. But what do you propose
> instead?
>
> Using enormous amounts of energy on ranting about what is, is far less
> constructive, for you, than to use energy on proposing viable
> alternatives.
>
> Come up with a set of graphics, that is *so much better* that
> everybody can't help to be convinced that it's a good idea to use them
> instead, then!
>
That's been done many times by many people. You know as well as I that
the powers that be will not have it, and are committed to the communist
theme. Why? One word: Ch-Ch-Ch-China!
> Show us how much better you can make it, or how much better your ideas
> are.
>
...and AOL will ignore them.
> Best regards,
>
> --
> "We're not all commie-bastards" splash-screen edition: Adam Sjøgren
> http://www.koldfront.dk/misc/capizilla3.jpg as...@koldfront.dk
Now look, you've already done it for us! Pretty darn good, a hell of a
lot better than the Purge staring you in the face.
JTK
>
> Chocobo_greens wrote:
>
> >
> > all i asked was that there be a alternavive version of mozilla without
> > the communist icons for those who wish not to have them.. or at least the
> > option of not having them .. is that too much to ask?
> > becasue you are forced to have the icons now. and IMHO that goes against
> > the point of mozilla .
>
> Troll detected... plocked...
>
>
> Andrea
>
> --
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> Andrea Monni <andre...@yahoo.com> of a sudden there seemed
> Y! IM: andreamonni precious little difference
> ICQ: 7387142 between being set free -- and
> being cast out."
> Moonshadow, J. M. De Matteis
"Freedom is always and exclusively freedom for the one who thinks
differently." - Rosa Luxemburg, Social Reform or Revolution
Not the one who refuses to do so.
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Adam Sjøgren
>> Come up with a set of graphics, that is *so much better* that
>> everybody can't help to be convinced that it's a good idea to use
>> them instead, then!
> That's been done many times by many people.
Obviously not.
Kind regards,
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Adam Sjøgren
> when something like this is presented, you dont have to be a
> "far-right hard-liner" to see what it means...
No. You have to be a far-right hard-liner _not_ to see what it means.
Chocobo_greens
hah hah aha
lol
Patrick Gallagher
> On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 23:06:15 -0500, Chocobo greens wrote:
>
>
>>when something like this is presented, you dont have to be a
>>"far-right hard-liner" to see what it means...
>>
>
> No. You have to be a far-right hard-liner _not_ to see what it means.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
does this mean it's a political statement to put a star at the top of a
christmas tree?
come on people - it's an artistic style, not a political statement.
Patrick
R.K.Aa.
There is no contradiction in the above two statements.
You indeed have to be a far-right hardliner NOT to see what the mozilla
star and logos mean. Mozilla is concerned with it's own only. The
tongue-in-cheek humour is used in textual contexts as well - just do
about:mozilla. Religious zealots might react to that - others would
realize it's a part of a high spirited internal "propaganda" style humor.
I'm right'ish oriented myself but have NO problem what-so-ever with the
various Mozilla logos and symbols. It may be a humor that is more easily
perceived in the West, but I fail to see why I should even consider the
ghosts some excile Nepalese see, whos only contribution to this group or
the project has been trolling. He isn't only seeing ghosts at broad
dayligh - he's hallusinating.
Actually it's *communists* who might have a reason to feel offended by a
red star depicting a dinosaur.
K.
Chocobo_greens
> ghosts some excile Nepalese see, whos only contribution to this group or
> the project has been trolling. He isn't only seeing ghosts at broad
> dayligh - he's hallusinating.
really depends on what you call trolling. if disagreeing with you is
trolling, pls killfile me along with everone else who does not agreee
with you. No one is forcing you to consider my opinon.. one of the nice
things about freedom wouldnt you say.
in addition, i am not alone in my opposition to the mozilla logo. i am
just one who is saying what he thinks.. there are others posting heer who
agree with me.
seriously, i know that you cant please everyone .. everything will offend
someone, but there are images that will blatantly offend a large segement
of the population.. usually there are politically and ideologically
divisive images, the confederate flag, Nazi swastika, hammer and sicke,
star, american flag <or any flag>, etc.
I just beleive that they shouldnt be used like that. it just goes to
hurt the open source software ingenreal.
I can just see MS using mozilla as an example.
Patrick Gallagher
People need to realize that sometimes a star is just a star. If there
is any sort of communist insinuation, it does have a correct basis, as
open source software is very much a community effort - or communal, or
communist... not in the sense of the former government of the USSR,
China, or any other country that claims to be communist, it's a group of
people working towards a common goal, to build the most kick-ass
software in the world... by the people, for the people.
Relating a style of art to a communist, facist, or dictatorial regime is
childish, and closeminded - while the regime may favour the art style,
the art style is not representative of the regime.
The star has been a common symbol of greatness for a very, very long
time - the fact that communist regimes adopted it to make themselves
appear great doesn't make it a communist symbol. If it WAS a communist
symbol, it wouldn't adorn the Hollywood walk of fame, billions of
student essays and tests (every capitalist at one point fought to have a
gold, silver, red, or green star on their school work) and millions of
other articles as a symbol of excellence. Don't give the regimes you're
fighting to avoid association with the power of association with such a
wonderful symbol - take it for what is is, and teach people what it
really stands for :)
Patrick
Patrick
Jonas Jørgensen
> Adam Sjøgren wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 02:32:03 -0500, Chocobo greens wrote:
>>
>>
>>>that is very easy for you to say, for some of us, the red star, like
>>>mozilla's is still a symbol of death and destruction
>>>
>>Sure, sure, you're entitled to that opinion. But what do you propose
>>instead?
>>
>>Using enormous amounts of energy on ranting about what is, is far less
>>constructive, for you, than to use energy on proposing viable
>>alternatives.
>>
>>Come up with a set of graphics, that is *so much better* that
>>everybody can't help to be convinced that it's a good idea to use them
>>instead, then!
>>
> That's been done many times by many people. You know as well as I that
> the powers that be will not have it, and are committed to the communist
> theme. Why? One word: Ch-Ch-Ch-China!
>
>
>>Show us how much better you can make it, or how much better your ideas
>>are.
>>
> ...and AOL will ignore them.
>
China? AOL??? What are you talking about?????
Mike Geiger
>
>>The problem is legal, in the sense of how the license affects theimages
>>in the releases. The matter is currently under review by some licensing
>>attorneys, so please, can we just let this play itself out?
>>
If this is the case - where did the current artwork come from? And if
people can write code that falls under the various licenses... why can't
a few images & icons? (This isn't a hostile question, I'd honestly like
to know why this is such a big deal that doesn't apply to the code.)
Also - how do other open source projects to it? The Apache Feather? BSD
Daemon.....?
<Mike
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Oh My God!
The mozilla logo looks like a logo on a packet of yeast!
It represents yeast infections!
We must change it! Quick! Yeast infections are icky!
Ian Thomas
Why is it that whenever anyone has a go at *any* part of mozilla someone
has to post something along the lines of "We don't care, why don't you
change it yourself"?
Not everyone has the ability or time to change things, and some people
just want to improve the mozilla.org tree instead of their own tree.
Ian
jesus X
> If this is the case - where did the current artwork come from? And if
> people can write code that falls under the various licenses... why can't
> a few images & icons? (This isn't a hostile question, I'd honestly like
> to know why this is such a big deal that doesn't apply to the code.)
You can, but the trick here is that mozilla.org wants to both distribute their
builds with the red Mozilla logo, _and_ still protect it as a trademark.
> Also - how do other open source projects to it? The Apache Feather? BSD
> Daemon.....?
No idea.
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DeMoN LaG
news:9v0pcn$rjp$1...@news3.bu.edu, on 09 Dec 2001:
> I just beleive that they shouldnt be used like that. it just goes
> to hurt the open source software ingenreal.
> I can just see MS using mozilla as an example.
Sorry, but you are out of your mind here. If MS were to call another
web browser "communist" because of it's icons, there would be such a
huge backlash against them I think Linux and Mozilla would gain about 85
to 90% of the market within a few weeks. No company can make political,
racial, ethnic, or any type of statement without killing themselves
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Morten Nilsen
> Chocobo_greens <anur...@SPAM.workmail.com> wrote in
> news:9v0pcn$rjp$1...@news3.bu.edu, on 09 Dec 2001:
>
>>I just beleive that they shouldnt be used like that. it just goes
>>to hurt the open source software ingenreal.
>>I can just see MS using mozilla as an example.
>>
>
> Sorry, but you are out of your mind here. If MS were to call another
> web browser "communist" because of it's icons, there would be such a
> huge backlash against them I think Linux and Mozilla would gain about 85
> to 90% of the market within a few weeks. No company can make political,
> racial, ethnic, or any type of statement without killing themselves
>
>
Actually, I seem to recollect that MS has said that Open Source is a
threat to capitalism or something along those lines...
I believe Userfriendly used the statement in a gag too...
Back to bugzilla for me...
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DeMoN LaG
news:3C1575B3...@SPAM.nilsen.com, on 10 Dec 2001:
> Actually, I seem to recollect that MS has said that Open Source is
> a threat to capitalism or something along those lines...
> I believe Userfriendly used the statement in a gag too...
>
> Back to bugzilla for me...
>
They'd called open source a Virus. Calling something a virus, etc, is
one thing. When you compare it to something that americans had the cold
war over, you *really* risk setting off a major war. It would be no
better than making a racial slur against something
Malodushnikh
There's a reason lawyers are filthy rich, I guess.
In article <3C1398D...@Ottawa.com>, mW...@Ottawa.com (Mike Geiger)
wrote:
Ian Thomas
> I insist that you prove that this decreases Mozilla's usage.
>
And how do you suggest I do that? Should I ask everyone who has ever
been to the mozilla website to ask them if they don't use mozilla
because of this?
Ian
jesus X
> They'd called open source a Virus. Calling something a virus, etc, is
> one thing. When you compare it to something that americans had the cold
> war over, you *really* risk setting off a major war. It would be no
> better than making a racial slur against something
Not that this is even remotely on-topic, but they called the GPL viral, not OSS.
MS said Open Source Software was "unAmerican" and would ruin any capitalist
economy.
Chocobo_greens
mozilla's logo doesnt help much to chnage ppls opinion
DeMoN LaG
news:9varjg$c40$1...@news3.bu.edu, on 13 Dec 2001:
>
> mozilla's logo doesnt help much to chnage ppls opinion
>
Perhaps we see different screens at start up then. I see a box with a
green dragon breathing fire and the word "Mozilla" with flames coming
off of it. What do you see?
Parish
<sigh> This is so familiar. The FreeBSD (and presumably Net- and
Open-BSD) mailing lists get regular threads complaining about the use of
the Devil (or Satan) as their logo because it is offensive to Christans
and other creeds, and that if they changed it then many more people
would use the OS.....
(and no, I'm *not* trying to start a Linux v. *BSD war here!)
> Ian
>
Parish
> Peter Lairo wrote:
>
> > yatsu wrote:
> >
> >> Sadly, no (sucessful) action has ever been undertaken to get some of the
> >> suggested icons in mozilla.
> >
> >
> >
> > This file will allow you to have a separate icon for each Mozilla
> > application (Browser, Mail/News, etc).
> >
> > Just unzip the attached file into your chrome directory.
> >
> > It has the awesome Guivanni icons for the major modules.
>
> it seems not working here, redhat71+mozilla 0.9.6
Works here on W2K and is brilliant. The instruction to unzip them in
_your_ Chrome directory was a bit misleading. I had to put them in the
system Chrome directory before they worked; Program
Files\mozilla\chrome (probably /usr/local/mozilla/chrome on Unix) and
keep the path in the ZIP, icons/default.
HTH
Morten Nilsen
> Perhaps we see different screens at start up then. I see a box with a
> green dragon breathing fire and the word "Mozilla" with flames coming
> off of it. What do you see?
>
>
I actually don't see anything ... the browser window just pops up (linux)
Asko Tontti
> I actually don't see anything ... the browser window just pops up (linux)
cd /your/mozilla/installation/
ee splash.xpm
Morten Nilsen
I don't have ee either...
I know what the splash looks like, I just commented on the fact that
linux hasn't got a splash screen AFAIK.
Ian Thomas
> Chocobo_greens <anur...@SPAM.workmail.com> wrote in
> news:9varjg$c40$1...@news3.bu.edu, on 13 Dec 2001:
>
>>
>>mozilla's logo doesnt help much to chnage ppls opinion
>>
>>
>
> Perhaps we see different screens at start up then. I see a box with a
> green dragon breathing fire and the word "Mozilla" with flames coming
> off of it. What do you see?
>
>
That isn't the mozilla.org logo. That graphic is just a place holder
that they really should replace.
Mozilla.org's logo is a red dragon, not a green netscapus mozillius.
(even though the green one is so much nicer).
Ian
Chocobo_greens
> Chocobo_greens <anur...@SPAM.workmail.com> wrote in
> news:9varjg$c40$1...@news3.bu.edu, on 13 Dec 2001:
>>
>>
>> mozilla's logo doesnt help much to chnage ppls opinion
>>
>>
> Perhaps we see different screens at start up then. I see a box with a
> green dragon breathing fire and the word "Mozilla" with flames coming
> off of it. What do you see?
>
a stupid red star with a yellow border
Jonas Jørgensen
> Ian Thomas wrote:
>
>> Malodushnikh wrote:
>>
>>> I insist that you prove that this decreases Mozilla's usage.
>>
>> And how do you suggest I do that? Should I ask everyone who has ever
>> been to the mozilla website to ask them if they don't use mozilla
>> because of this?
>
> <sigh> This is so familiar. The FreeBSD (and presumably Net- and
> Open-BSD) mailing lists get regular threads complaining about the use of
> the Devil (or Satan) as their logo because it is offensive to Christans
> and other creeds, and that if they changed it then many more people
> would use the OS.....
And penguins can be offensive to fish-lovers. Hey, OpenBSD uses a fish
as it's logo! Maybe Linux uses a penguin because it wants to beat
("eat") OpenBSD? Never thought of that before... ;-)
Stars, devils, penguins, fishes - it's just logos. Let's end this thread
and do something useful.
--
/Jonas
Chocobo_greens
can you show mw one person killed in the name of a Penguin?
i can show you millions under the mozilla red star
yatsu
You picked out the penguin example nicely, as opposed to the devil logo
which represents the ultimate evil to christians, correct? Not too shabby
either, i'd say.
You know, while the application icon just looks plain (ugly) the whole mozilla theme
(the communist art) looks nice and has a quite appropriate feeling to it
(depending on your view of communism).
again:
R.K.Aa.
> can you show mw one person killed in the name of a Penguin?
> i can show you millions under the mozilla red star
ROFLMAO!!! :D
No, you can not :) The mozilla red star is the mozilla red star. It has
a black/orange/black border along it's outlines and depicts a dinosaur.
To my awareness, not a single life has been lost under the mozilla red
star during the browser war.
K.
Jonas Jørgensen
No, but I can show you several people killed in the name of the devil.
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Jonas Jørgensen
>>>And penguins can be offensive to fish-lovers. Hey, OpenBSD uses a fish
>>>as it's logo! Maybe Linux uses a penguin because it wants to beat
>>>("eat") OpenBSD? Never thought of that before... ;-)
>>>
>>>Stars, devils, penguins, fishes - it's just logos. Let's end this
>>>thread and do something useful.
>>>
>>can you show mw one person killed in the name of a Penguin? i can show
>>you millions under the mozilla red star
>>
> You picked out the penguin example nicely, as opposed to the devil logo
> which represents the ultimate evil to christians, correct? Not too shabby
> either, i'd say.
>
> You know, while the application icon just looks plain (ugly) the whole mozilla theme
> (the communist art) looks nice and has a quite appropriate feeling to it
> (depending on your view of communism).
Why don't we use a star as the application icon? It would look great!
(I'm serious here.)
--
/Jonas
Morten Nilsen
>
> Why don't we use a star as the application icon? It would look great!
> (I'm serious here.)
>
The star _is_ used ... at least under KDE ... but I find it annoying.
I don't think it's a communist icon, but it doesn't fit in.
The star shape has too many sharp edges, and it's too red.
I like the little blue lizard better. Or just plain text... as it shows
up in my enlightenment menu
Thorsten Konetzko
> The star shape has too many sharp edges, and it's too red.
I *CANNOT* believe you just said that.
still LMAO :-))
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Simon P. Lucy
>Or just plain text... as it shows
>up in my enlightenment menu
>
Please Santa I want Satori for Christmas....
S
Jonas Jørgensen
> Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
>
>>
>> Why don't we use a star as the application icon? It would look great!
>> (I'm serious here.)
>>
>
> The star _is_ used ... at least under KDE ... but I find it annoying.
> I don't think it's a communist icon, but it doesn't fit in.
> The star shape has too many sharp edges, and it's too red.
It's not used under Windows.
> I like the little blue lizard better.
What little blue lizard are you talking about? I sure hope it's not the
one used as icon on Windows - it's ugly!
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Holger Metzger
> What little blue lizard are you talking about? I sure hope it's not the
> one used as icon on Windows - it's ugly!
It's quite ugly yes, and 256 color mode makes it almost invisible. I
still prefer the icons that could be found there:
http://www.crosswinds.net/%7Eggc/oldstuff/index.html (the site can't be
reached though). But I have a copy of those icons here:
http://www.hmetzger.de/tips6/MozillaIcons.html
Holger
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Morten Nilsen
>
> What little blue lizard are you talking about? I sure hope it's not the
> one used as icon on Windows - it's ugly!
>
Yep... that would be the one
Andrea Monni
> Chocobo_greens wrote:
>
>>> And penguins can be offensive to fish-lovers. Hey, OpenBSD uses a fish
>>> as it's logo! Maybe Linux uses a penguin because it wants to beat
>>> ("eat") OpenBSD? Never thought of that before... ;-)
>>>
>>> Stars, devils, penguins, fishes - it's just logos. Let's end this thread
>>> and do something useful.
>>>
>> can you show mw one person killed in the name of a Penguin?
>> i can show you millions under the mozilla red star
>
> No, but I can show you several people killed in the name of the devil.
So, Chocobo_greens, you'd better start a battle against the little cute
BSD devil instead against the harmless Mozilla star.
Andrea
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Ahmed K
like it,, its not elegent, it is not nice to look, at, i mean there must be
something relevent to "mozilla" that one can use as an icon.
Thorsten Konetzko
Holger Metzger <use...@hmetzger.de> wrote:
> It's quite ugly yes, and 256 color mode makes it almost invisible. I
> still prefer the icons that could be found there:
> http://www.crosswinds.net/%7Eggc/oldstuff/index.html
> (the site can't be reached though).
What's the use in posting a link that doesn't work??
> But I have a copy of those icons here:
> [...]
Those are the (great!) icons by Giovanni Cavallanti, you should at least
give a proper credit and link to his page at http://digilander.iol.it/mozillaart/
(Dunno if Gio's still reading this ng, so I thought I'd clarify this.)
Fulvio Perini
Ahmed,it is downright ugly,but I tolerate it in a nightly.I hope that it does
not find its way in Mozilla final.
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Patrick Gallagher
If you can show ONE person killed under the "mozilla red star", you're a
liar... many were killed under stars that were used by dictatorships,
but the star is still a symbol of excellence, which was misused by those
government bodies. The "mozilla" star has never been used outside of
mozilla (Red star with a dinohead inside)
Patrick
Asa Dotzler
<snip>
>
> all i asked was that there be a alternavive version of mozilla without
> the communist icons for those who wish not to have them.. or at least the
> option of not having them .. is that too much to ask?
Your wish is my command.
http://beonex.com/communicator/
http://home.netscape.com/computing/download/index.html
--Asa
David G King
Sorry, but I can't resist. If I wanted a version of Mozilla that was
free of the alledged communist images, as well as free of capitalist
aspirations (i.e. Netscape), would I then choose Beonex?
Seriously, Personally, as I come from a socialist country, I see nothing
wrong with the Mozilla logo or its various icons.
-DGK
Andrea Monni
>
> Sorry, but I can't resist. If I wanted a version of Mozilla that was
> free of the alledged communist images, as well as free of capitalist
> aspirations (i.e. Netscape), would I then choose Beonex?
We should go for a Mozilla version without symbols... like text only...
DeMoN LaG
news:3C21091B...@yahoo.com, on 19 Dec 2001:
>
> We should go for a Mozilla version without symbols... like text
> only...
Text could be offensive too, how about Primary Colors only? Red, Blue
and Yellow all over the place. Just colors. Something like:
To add a news server:
Yellow, Blue, Yellow, Blue, Red, Blue, Red
That sounds good, yes?
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basic
even send out a worm/virus to erase all traces of mozilla on the web.
That way we wouldn't offend anybody with any symbol or colour or text or
spelling or whatever.
basic
CaT
> Or we could subsitute the following for logo and get over it.
This logo offends me. The yellow is obviously a racist reference to
'yellowman' who are comonly thought to be the chinese by the rasists
amongst us. Now, seeing that the chinese are also communists this logo
symbolises communism and all it's evil aswell.
Down with this logo!
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Lucas MacBride
> Or we can use the attached Graphic as a Logo and be done with it.
Both of your logos show alias as well. All in favor of anti-aliasing,
say "I"!
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DeMoN LaG
news:3C214027...@kimbanet.com, on 19 Dec 2001:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> Okay <grin>. Here's another. Light Blue background, Letter is Black
> with Grey neon.
Kill the HTML. It looks horrible in text only readers. Don't post
binaries to non binary newsgroups, it's rude
CaT
> Okay <grin>. Here's another. Light Blue background, Letter is Black with
> Grey neon.
>
Well as I said privately...
The gray is obviously representative of industry. The gray on blue is
obviously representative of a battleship on blue waters which is
representative of the navy and as such of the military. Combined, this
logo is obviously representative of the military-industrial complex of
america which is causing rampant death throughout the third world due
to it's pro-greed ultra-capitalist policies.
This promotion of capitalism is EXTREMELY offensive.