17 inch powerbook 1.33Ghz problems
Dan Field
I've been playing with this for a few days now but only really got
somewhere near working today.
I currently have a stable booting (via yaboot in the bootsector)
2.4.21benh kernel and a 2.6.0-test11-benh kernel (built from rsync
today).
I compiled up XFree86 4.3.1 from the stable tarballs at xfree86.org
without many problems but from what I've read in other posts, it sounds
like this will only work with a 2.6 kernel. Is that correct? Anyway.
2.6.0-test11 is booting up ok now but the framebuffer is a little odd. I
can't quite describe the problem but it involves what I can only
describe as black scanlines appearing and making the framebuffer
flicker. 2.4.21benh has no such issues.
I was just wondering if anyone else was using the same setup out there
and how far they had gotten. I intend to document what I have for the
benefit of others. So if anyone has XFree86Configs or kernel .configs
etc that they think may be of use (specifically for the 17inch powerbook
with superdrive, ATA 100, ATI Radeon 9600 (I think) etc.
best of luck. And thanks to all those in active PPC development, keep up
the excelent work.
Diolch
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Jens Schmalzing
Dan Field writes:
> 2.6.0-test11 is booting up ok now but the framebuffer is a little
> odd. I can't quite describe the problem but it involves what I can
> only describe as black scanlines appearing and making the
> framebuffer flicker. 2.4.21benh has no such issues.
>
> I was just wondering if anyone else was using the same setup out
> there and how far they had gotten.
I simply installed XFree86 from Michel Dänzer's dri-trunk snapshot.
The framebuffer still flickers when the machine boots up, but the
Xserver runs just fine and miraculously fixes the text consoles as
well.
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Luis Sanjuan
> Hi list.
>
> I've been playing with this for a few days now but only really got
> somewhere near working today.
>
> I currently have a stable booting (via yaboot in the bootsector)
> 2.4.21benh kernel and a 2.6.0-test11-benh kernel (built from rsync
> today).
>
> I compiled up XFree86 4.3.1 from the stable tarballs at xfree86.org
> without many problems but from what I've read in other posts, it sounds
> like this will only work with a 2.6 kernel. Is that correct? Anyway.
> 2.6.0-test11 is booting up ok now but the framebuffer is a little odd.
X works fine here with last benh kernel and xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk
from Michel Daenzer. In order to get this package, edit your
/etc/apt/source.list adding the following line:
deb http://people.debian.org/~daenzer/dri-trunk-sid ./
> I can't quite describe the problem but it involves what I can only
> describe as black scanlines appearing and making the framebuffer
> flicker. 2.4.21benh has no such issues.
Exactly the same here, but it's fixed as Jens says. If you haven't yet
access to startx, you can boot meanwhile with video=ofonly or add this
line to your yaboot.conf
append="video=ofonly"
>
> I was just wondering if anyone else was using the same setup out there
> and how far they had gotten.
* X: works fine with radeonfb for console and "UseFBDev" for X.
* Sound: works with alsa. Only preliminary test.
* Ethernet: works fine.
* Airport Extreme: forget it ;-)
* Internal modem: ?? Conexant chipset ??
* Sleep: Ben is working on that. AFAIK, no results yet.
> I intend to document what I have for the
> benefit of others.
I'm writing as well one document about the Debian installation on this
machine (at the moment only in spanish).
> So if anyone has XFree86Configs or kernel .configs
> etc that they think may be of use (specifically for the 17inch powerbook
> with superdrive, ATA 100, ATI Radeon 9600 (I think) etc.
I want to tune my configs. Can you wait for them two o three days?
But, surely, Jens has them more refine.
Sven Luther
Can one of the older non Extreme airport card be used in one of the
newer ibook/powerbooks ?
Friendly,
Sven Luther
Hubert Figuiere
> > * Airport Extreme: forget it ;-)
>
> Can one of the older non Extreme airport card be used in one of the
> newer ibook/powerbooks ?
AFAIK, Airport Extreme aren't like older Airport cards thus they are not
physically compatible.
But a standard PCCard Wifi card should work in the PCCard slot on the
PowerBook.
Hub
Ryan Verner
On 23/12/2003, at 9:49 PM, Hubert Figuiere wrote:
> On mar, 2003-12-23 at 10:51, Sven Luther wrote:
>
>>> * Airport Extreme: forget it ;-)
>>
>> Can one of the older non Extreme airport card be used in one of the
>> newer ibook/powerbooks ?
>
> AFAIK, Airport Extreme aren't like older Airport cards thus they are
> not
> physically compatible.
> But a standard PCCard Wifi card should work in the PCCard slot on the
> PowerBook.
Nod, I can confirm both these statements. The Airport/Airport Extreme
cards are entirely new cards - different design, different chipset,
different connector, everything.
Get yourself a cheap Orinoco or Prism based card; both have excellent
support under Linux.
R
Barry Hawkins
>
> On 23/12/2003, at 9:49 PM, Hubert Figuiere wrote:
>
>> On mar, 2003-12-23 at 10:51, Sven Luther wrote:
>>
>>>> * Airport Extreme: forget it ;-)
>>>
>>> Can one of the older non Extreme airport card be used in one of the
>>> newer ibook/powerbooks ?
>>
>> AFAIK, Airport Extreme aren't like older Airport cards thus they are
>> not
>> physically compatible.
>> But a standard PCCard Wifi card should work in the PCCard slot on the
>> PowerBook.
>
> Nod, I can confirm both these statements. The Airport/Airport Extreme
> cards are entirely new cards - different design, different chipset,
> different connector, everything.
>
> Get yourself a cheap Orinoco or Prism based card; both have excellent
> support under Linux.
>
> R
List,
Several words of caution when it comes to picking out a PCMCIA 802.11
card for your PowerBook.
1.) Not all Orinoco cards are equal. I just found this out the hard
way when I bought an Orinoco Silver 802.11b/g card after hearing that
an Orinoco Silver card should work fine for Mac OS and Linux. If you
are looking to buy one of those, be sure to buy the "Classic" Orinoco
802.11b card. The classic models are based on the HERMES 1.0 chipset
that so many of the drivers out there work with. The newer cards have
an unknown chipset, although some driver developers suspect it's a
chipset from either Atheros or Broadcom (yes, the ones who make the
mini-PCI AirPort Extreme card). For more info, check out the messages
I have attached below from Amanda Walker (author of the IOXperts driver
http://www.ioxperts.com/) on the mailing list for the WirelessDriver
project (http://wirelessdriver.sourceforge.net/).
2.) Check around before you buy a card to make sure it is going to work
for you. Don't go solely on hearsay. If you don't have an R&D fund to
buy cards that end up being useless, this is important. I paid
expedited freight for a Proxim card that is useless to me. Now I have
a used Cisco Aironet 350 802.11b card also on its way to me. The
Lindows site has a page that lists cards known to work well with Linux,
but I cannot find the link right now.
3.) 802.11g on PowerPC Linux is still apparently not for the faint of
heart. Consider yourself warned. See the earlier thread "Re:
Recommended Orinoco PCMCIA card?" at
(http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2003/debian-powerpc-200312/
msg00521.html).
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MESSAGE 1:
From: ama...@alfar.com
Subject: [Wirelessdriver-support] Re: PowerBook G4 15"/OS X
10.3.2/Proxim Orinoco Silver 802.11b/g (Barry Hawkins)
Date: December 21, 2003 5:17:55 PM EST
To: wirelessdri...@lists.sourceforge.net
On Dec 20, 2003, at 11:14 PM, Barry Hawkins
<ly...@allthingscomputed.com> wrote:
> This may be a quick question that confirms my fears. Is the Proxim
> Orinoco 802.11b/g card able to work with this driver in a 15" PowerBook
> G4 with no AirPort Extreme card installed running Panther (OS X
> 10.3.2)? I had hoped/gambled on the unit using its 802.11b as a
> fallback if the 802.11g didn't work, but neither this driver nor the
> IOXperts driver recognizes the presence of the card.
The Orinoco combo cards are based on an Atheros chipset, not the
Lucent/Agere/Intersil/whoever-owns-them-now chip set that the
WirelessDriver and IOXperts driver support. The b/g and a/b/g chipsets
are completely different, and would require a new driver written
completely from scratch.
Because of the nature of the Broadcom and Atheros chipsets, it's highly
unlikely that there will ever be a completely open source driver for
them, though Sam Leffler has done a good job striking a deal with
Atheros for his Linux and FreeBSD drivers (the module that talks to the
hardware is distributed in binary only). The big issue is that much,
much more of the radio operation is exposed to the host, which makes
the FCC very concerned about who should be able to twiddle the virtual
knobs. Operating at frequencies and power levels that you're not
licensed for is a big no-no, especially since some of the allowable
bands are surrounded by military-use bands :-).
Amanda Walker
(author of the IOXperts driver)
MESSAGE 2:
From: ama...@alfar.com
Subject: Re: [Wirelessdriver-support] Re: PowerBook G4 15"/OS X
10.3.2/Proxim Orinoco Silver 802.11b/g (Barry Hawkins)
Date: December 22, 2003 3:07:19 AM EST
To: ly...@allthingscomputed.com
Cc: wirelessdri...@lists.sourceforge.net
On Dec 21, 2003, at 11:14 PM, Barry Hawkins wrote:
> Thanks so much for responding. I regretfully assumed that all Proxim
> Orinoco Silver cards used the same chipset, and I now own one of these
> relatively-useless items. It's ironic that I bought it trying to get
> away from the Broadcom chipsets on AirPort Extreme cards 8^).
There are actually 3 "Orinoco Silver" cards that I know of:
- "Classic" version -- HERMES 1.0 controller -- basically the old
WaveLAN Silver card, very widely supported.
- 8421-WD (gold version is 8420-WD) -- Uses a HERMES 2.0 controller.
Not widely supported, but could be supported by current drivers if they
implement firmware download and find a way to get & use an Agere
firmware image legally. Otherwise fairly similar to HERMES 1.0 from
the driver's perspective.
- a/b, a/b/g combo cards: Atheros AR5000 chipset. Needs completely new
driver, but has a very good radio.
- b/g combo card: unknown chipset (could be either Atheros or Broadcom,
my guess is Atheros). Possibly an Agere HERMES 2.0 if Agere has
actually started shipping a g version (they weren't last I knew).
> Is there a best-bet PCMCIA card you could recommend that uses the
> Lucent/Agere/Intersil/Corporate-entity-du-jour?
Not really. Proxim is still selling the HERMES 1.0 cards as "Orinoco
Classic", but they are b only. They do work nicely with everyone's
driver, though.
> Also, has the Broadcom and Atheros regime taken over with the
> 802.11g range of products?
Pretty much. Atheros and Broadcom have almost all of the 802.11a and
802.11g market between them. Intersil's PRISM GT & PRISM Duette aren't
very popular so far, and are yet another chipset design. Agere hasn't
shipped a g-capable version of the HERMES yet, as far as I know. It's
quite a mess being a driver developer right now :-).
Amanda Walker
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Ryan Verner
> 1.) Not all Orinoco cards are equal. I just found this out the hard
> way when I bought an Orinoco Silver 802.11b/g card after hearing that
> an Orinoco Silver card should work fine for Mac OS and Linux. If you
> are looking to buy one of those, be sure to buy the "Classic" Orinoco
> 802.11b card. The classic models are based on the HERMES 1.0 chipset
> that so many of the drivers out there work with. The newer cards have
> an unknown chipset, althoug
Wow, no kidding? Didn't realize this - thanks for the heads up.
Things really are looking down in terms of decent, well supported
chipsets in Linux (or in fact, anything *but* Windows) :-(
R
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Sven Luther
>
> On 23/12/2003, at 9:49 PM, Hubert Figuiere wrote:
>
> >On mar, 2003-12-23 at 10:51, Sven Luther wrote:
> >
> >>>* Airport Extreme: forget it ;-)
> >>
> >>Can one of the older non Extreme airport card be used in one of the
> >>newer ibook/powerbooks ?
> >
> >AFAIK, Airport Extreme aren't like older Airport cards thus they are
> >not
> >physically compatible.
> >But a standard PCCard Wifi card should work in the PCCard slot on the
> >PowerBook.
>
> Nod, I can confirm both these statements. The Airport/Airport Extreme
> cards are entirely new cards - different design, different chipset,
> different connector, everything.
>
> Get yourself a cheap Orinoco or Prism based card; both have excellent
> support under Linux.
A, but i was looking for the 12" ibook G4, both for its cheapness and
because it is the only apple notebook with a 3D supported graphic card
right now.
Friendly,
Sven Luther
Colin Charles
> > AFAIK, Airport Extreme aren't like older Airport cards thus they are
> > not
> > physically compatible.
> > But a standard PCCard Wifi card should work in the PCCard slot on the
> > PowerBook.
>
> Nod, I can confirm both these statements. The Airport/Airport Extreme
> cards are entirely new cards - different design, different chipset,
> different connector, everything.
If I get an iBook G4 with the Airport Extreme card, can I just replace
it with an Airport card and it'll work?
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Hubert Figuiere
> If I get an iBook G4 with the Airport Extreme card, can I just replace
> it with an Airport card and it'll work?
Not at all. These are *physically* different.
Look at :
http://www.apple.com/airport/specs.html
They definitely don't look the same. Airport is PCMCIA format while
Airport Extreme is Mini-PCI.
Hub
vinai
Linux support goes, as Broadcom does not want their driver specs "out
in the wild"
But what about other mini-PCI cards ? Googling for "mini PCI 802.11g"
gave the company "Netgate" as the 2nd or 3rd option. And on this page:
http://www.netgate.com/3054AriesMP.html
the card is listed as being supported by one of the Linux WIFI drivers
(and heck, even a BSD driver). My question is, besides twiddling with
the driver to get it to work under PPC, what would be needed to get a
card like this working in an iBook G4, or any other laptop with a mini
PCI slot ?
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Hubert Figuiere
> Okay - so we're SOL if we go with Apple's 802.11g solution as far as
> Linux support goes, as Broadcom does not want their driver specs "out
> in the wild"
>
> But what about other mini-PCI cards ? Googling for "mini PCI 802.11g"
> gave the company "Netgate" as the 2nd or 3rd option. And on this page:
>
> http://www.netgate.com/3054AriesMP.html
>
> the card is listed as being supported by one of the Linux WIFI drivers
> (and heck, even a BSD driver). My question is, besides twiddling with
> the driver to get it to work under PPC, what would be needed to get a
> card like this working in an iBook G4, or any other laptop with a mini
> PCI slot ?
The first question is:
Would the card fit into an iBook or PowerBook ? I suspect that Apple's
slot are not exactly mini-PCI...
Beside this, I don't see any reason why it woudln't work.
Hub
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