Russians want Finland back.
H. Vaisanen
Karjalan Sanomat, Finnish language newspapers, published in
Petrodzavosk, Russia. (My translation.)
THE TIME OF DUCHY OF FINLAND WAS REMEMBERED IN KARELIA
Peace of Hamina Action Group has been formed in Petrodzavosk. The
group demands that the Russian-Swedish peace treaty of 1809 be
enforced. In that treaty, Finland was incproprated to Russia.
The group thinks it is necessary to define the juridical base for
Finland's separation from Russia and all compensations for quick and
illegal separation. The leaders of Russia, Sweden and Finland must
take care of the matter.
First communique of the group, Official Appeal, was published in
'Karelija', the newspaper of the Supreme Soviet of the Karelian
Republic on Wednesday. The appeal says, among other things, that "one
cannot consider legal the document on Finnish independence that Lenin
signed in passing on December 1917, between sessions of the Soviet of
People's Commissaries in Smolna". The Action Group plans to send its
appeal to the United Nations and to the parlaments of Russia and
Sweden.
vad...@vms.huji.ac.il
from the point of view of legality the documents of Finland seccession
signed by ugly communists are exactly the same way leagal (or illegal) as
Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and agreement with Estonian parliament about
incorporation into SU.
In this case Commies(or Russians, if Jarmo likes it more) commited the
unjustice towards the other nations of the empire depriving the from
good access to Baltics and beautiful Finnish servelat. The time came to
acknoledge the mistake and correct the consequences.
The second unjustice, commited by ugly Cummies (or Russians) is
depriving friendly Poles from beautiful Vilna region. This action was a
disgusting violent act of the Red Army, composed predominantly of Russian
officers and soldiers and Ukrainian starshinas.
The both Slavic people have to acknoledge this unjustice and make their
best to return the forementioned tterritory to legal owner.
Best wishes,
Vadim
Jarmo Ryyti
: Sounds correct,
: from the point of view of legality the documents of Finland seccession
: signed by ugly communists are exactly the same way leagal (or illegal) as
: Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and agreement with Estonian parliament about
: incorporation into SU.
: In this case Commies(or Russians, if Jarmo likes it more) commited the
: unjustice towards the other nations of the empire depriving the from
: good access to Baltics and beautiful Finnish servelat. The time came to
: acknoledge the mistake and correct the consequences.
: The second unjustice, commited by ugly Cummies (or Russians) is
: depriving friendly Poles from beautiful Vilna region. This action was a
: disgusting violent act of the Red Army, composed predominantly of Russian
: officers and soldiers and Ukrainian starshinas.
: The both Slavic people have to acknoledge this unjustice and make their
: best to return the forementioned tterritory to legal owner.
: Best wishes,
: Vadim
Not seldom I hear the Finns calling Soviet/Russia: Eastern-Finland:-)
News-headline the year 2050: "Sino-Finnish boarder on the Ural mountains-
a border of peace."
:-)
jarmo
HAKKIM WONG
>News-headline the year 2050: "Sino-Finnish boarder on the Ural mountains-
>a border of peace."
>:-)
I can not agree more!!!
Let's make it happen shall we?
8-)
vad...@vms.huji.ac.il
I see. The number of aggressive idiots in Finland > 1 already.
Now it's non-trivial algebra.
Best wishes,
Vadim
Pyotr Shmelev
:>>a border of peace."
:> I can not agree more!!!
:> Let's make it happen shall we?
: I see. The number of aggressive idiots in Finland > 1 already.
That was a Chinese one.
Dmitri Manin
>In article <24flh8$1...@hamblin.math.byu.edu>, ha...@bert.cs.byu.edu (
>HAKKIM WONG) writes:
>> In article <24cnol$1...@tukki.cc.jyu.fi> ry...@network.cc.jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>>>News-headline the year 2050: "Sino-Finnish boarder on the Ural mountains-
>>>a border of peace."
>>>:-)
>>
>>
>> I can not agree more!!!
>>
>> Let's make it happen shall we?
>>
>> 8-)
>
>
> I see. The number of aggressive idiots in Finland > 1 already.
>Now it's non-trivial algebra.
>Best wishes,
>Vadim
Vadim, it seems to me you're mistaken. Hakkim Wong must be a Chinese
stretching an arm of freundschaft to Jarmo the Finn across the vast
un-owned land.
- DM
HAKKIM WONG
>Now it's non-trivial algebra.
Really??
I am just wondering who is the second one.......
A Russian, perhaps??
HAKKIM WONG
>: I see. The number of aggressive idiots in Finland > 1 already.
> That was a Chinese one.
Yes, not only a Chinese, but a Manchurian.
The Manchurian.
HAKKIM WONG
>> I see. The number of aggressive idiots in Finland > 1 already.
>stretching an arm of freundschaft to Jarmo the Finn across the vast
>un-owned land.
Yes, you are right about that.
Hakkim is a Manchurian whose have been away for a while and decide to
come back here.....
The sun of California seems to be brighter than the suns of Israel...
"You will never walk alone"
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vad...@vms.huji.ac.il
I disagree,
Hakkim rather sounds arabic.
But since he solidarized with "Greater Finland" position, we could recollect
m-er d'Artagnan :"I'm mushcetier deep in my soul, sir."
Best wishes,
Vadim
vad...@vms.huji.ac.il
Sorry,
I was slow to understand that one idiot was on the Chinese side.
b.w.,
vadim
vad...@vms.huji.ac.il
they are 1,000,000,001 (0,000,000,001 is Jarmo, the rest are chinese).
beware, guys, we started counting!
best wishes,
vadim
HAKKIM WONG
>I disagree,
>Hakkim rather sounds arabic.
>But since he solidarized with "Greater Finland" position, we could recollect
>m-er d'Artagnan :"I'm mushcetier deep in my soul, sir."
Yes, Hakkim (or Hakem ) is indeed Arabic.
Good knowledge!
HAKKIM WONG
Really?
I guess being a Chinese idiot is healthier than a Russian wiseman...
Idiot will not be aggressive.
By the way, what is a Russian like you doing in Israel, the Land of
1/16th of my ancestors? Another expedition of the Russian wisemen?
I guess Chinese are idiotic enough that they do NOT know how to kill
the Jews!!
K
Jarmo Ryyti
: In article <24flh8$1...@hamblin.math.byu.edu>, ha...@bert.cs.byu.edu (
Aggressive? I wrote of a border of PEACE.
Do the Russians not like PEACE?
: Best wishes,
jarmo
vad...@vms.huji.ac.il
Manchurian...
sounds like a surname.
What's the first name? Ashot?
best wishes,
Michael Kagalenko
>vad...@vms.huji.ac.il wrote:
>: In article <24flh8$1...@hamblin.math.byu.edu>, ha...@bert.cs.byu.edu (
>: HAKKIM WONG) writes:
>: > In article <24cnol$1...@tukki.cc.jyu.fi> ry...@network.cc.jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>: >>News-headline the year 2050: "Sino-Finnish boarder on the Ural mountains-
>: >>a border of peace."
>: > Let's make it happen shall we?
>
>: Now it's non-trivial algebra.
>
>Aggressive? I wrote of a border of PEACE.
> Do the Russians not like PEACE?
Note, that this jarmo do not argue about "idiot" - only about "agressive"
Yet, if you guys both from China and Finland want some Russian land,
you can come and try to grab it, like many others before you did.
Michael,
pondering modes of operation of his AK-74 no. 3330229
HAKKIM WONG
Yes, Peace.
PEACE.
8-)
HAKKIM WONG
What are you talking about??
Chinese do NOT want Russian land.
We want Peace!
We want Chinese land.
Both China and Finland lost land to the Russian Empire...
Learn more about what other feel first....
JARI SEDERGREN (COMM)
>In article <1993Aug10.0...@cs.joensuu.fi>, hvai...@cs.joensuu.fi (H. Vaisanen) writes:
>> This article was published on 3 August 1993, in the front page of
>> Karjalan Sanomat, Finnish language newspapers, published in
>> Petrodzavosk, Russia. (My translation.)
>>
>> THE TIME OF DUCHY OF FINLAND WAS REMEMBERED IN KARELIA
>>
>> Peace of Hamina Action Group has been formed in Petrodzavosk. The
>> group demands that the Russian-Swedish peace treaty of 1809 be
>> enforced. In that treaty, Finland was incproprated to Russia.
>>
>> The group thinks it is necessary to define the juridical base for
>> Finland's separation from Russia and all compensations for quick and
>> illegal separation. The leaders of Russia, Sweden and Finland must
>> take care of the matter.
>>
>> First communique of the group, Official Appeal, was published in
>> 'Karelija', the newspaper of the Supreme Soviet of the Karelian
>> Republic on Wednesday. The appeal says, among other things, that "one
>> cannot consider legal the document on Finnish independence that Lenin
>> signed in passing on December 1917, between sessions of the Soviet of
>> People's Commissaries in Smolna". The Action Group plans to send its
>> appeal to the United Nations and to the parlaments of Russia and
>> Sweden.
>Sounds correct,
>from the point of view of legality the documents of Finland seccession
>signed by ugly communists are exactly the same way legal (or illegal) as
>Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and agreement with Estonian parliament about
>incorporation into SU.
Not the same. Remember the Civil War of Finland in 1918. Bolsheviks gave
the independence to bourgeois Finland for many reasons:
1) Finland had already declared independence (by the demand of Germany)
in the beginning of December. Germany had decided to take as much land as
possible in the east, and that one reason why high command of German
military strongly adviced at the end of November 1917 Finns to take an
independence at once. "Senat for Independence" was grounded Dec 1, 1917 and
declaration was made in Senat Dec 4, 1917. After advices from Germany and
Western Powers the Parliament made same kind of decision Dec 6, 1917.
2) Soviet-Russia could not take Finland by force. Russian army in Finland
was in chaos, and army would not take any commands from government if it
meant war. This was proved at the time of Civil War, when Russian troops
quickly left Finland without taking part of fighting, except in few places
like Tampere. Those 300-400 Russians of Tampere were shot immediately after
Tampere was captured by "white troops" including Swedish troops.
3) Bolsheviks knew there will be a fight of power in Finland in 1918. They
hoped, Red Finland will join again Mother Soviet after coup d'etat in
Finland. Actually Reds in Finland made an agreement with Soviet-Russia,
where Finland gained much more land, e.g. East-Carelia, than was given in
Peace of Dorpat (Tartto) in 1920. Interesting fact is that in that agreement
Russia got very good economic advantages in Finland. Even Russian
businessman got all the rights in Finland what Finnish businessman had, and
the opposite, of course. But "reds" lost that war, and "whites" made an
agreement with Germany, which made Finland a "German satellite", a reservoir
for raw-material. This agreement was luckily meaningless after German lost
the war. The first year of independence was strange time. Finns were
planning to destroy St. Petersburg (or whatever the name then was), but
Germans were more interested to beat British troops in Arkangel. But it is
another story. St. Petersburg was never captured, but it was near in 1919.
As far as I know, the last plan of attacking Leningrad was made 1932. Then
the idea was to keep Red Army busy not to occupy Estonia. And as we know,
the Soviets decided to arrange Estonian affair in different - but very, very
imperialistic - way.
4) The fact is, no power in Russia could have kept Finland a part of
Russia in 1917-1919. Later the "restoration" could have been possible, but
not easy, as fightings 1939-40 and 1941-44 show. But much damage was done.
Finns have been fighting (defending and attacking) for its territory - which
has changed many time over years - against czarist Russia and bolshevik
Russia many times. Maybe now it is time to keep agreements and pacts. That
will help big giant to rise on her feet again. By that time I believe
Finland has found its peaceful place in European system.
5) One of the basic facts of Finnish foreign policy is to have good
relations with any government there happen to be in Russia. If you want
czars, go ahead, we know their politics, if you want post-communists, go
ahead, we have always managed well with them, if you want democratic system,
go ahead - have more elections :-). I don't believe Finland ever opposes any
government in Russia. But the more similar the system is, more easier it is
to co-operate. And we are not going to change that much.
>In this case Commies or Russians, if Jarmo likes it more commited the
>unjustice towards the other nations of the empire depriving the from>good
>access to Baltics and beautiful Finnish servelat. The time came to
>acknoledge the mistake and correct the consequences. The second
>unjustice, commited by ugly Cummies (or Russians) is depriving friendly
>Poles from beautiful Vilna region. This action was a disgusting violent act
>of the Red Army, composed predominantly of Russian officers and soldiers
>and Ukrainian starshinas. The both Slavic people have to acknoledge
>this unjustice and make their best to return the forementioned tterritory
>to legal owner. Best wishes,
>Vadim
friendly,
Jari
Helge J. Bj|rnhaug
>Note, that this jarmo do not argue about "idiot" - only about "agressive"
>Yet, if you guys both from China and Finland want some Russian land,
>you can come and try to grab it, like many others before you did.
> What are you talking about??
>
>
> Chinese do NOT want Russian land.
>
> We want Peace!
>
> We want Chinese land.
And you surely want Tibetan land; which you shouldn't.
H.
Marek Swierkosz
|>
|> Sorry,
|> I was slow to understand that one idiot was on the Chinese side.
|> b.w.,
|> vadim
No wonder. Usually all the idiots in this group are on the Russian side :-)
Marek
HAKKIM WONG
No, I don't.
No Han-Chinese, Manchurian, Cantonese, etc
want Tibet.
Each year the CCP Govt spend billions of $
in this remote, superstituos land.
We have enough.
As a Manchurian myself I want outer-Manchuria back,
that's all.
Tibet to me should let go.
Dragon Fly
As well as Inner Mongolia. China's borders are defined
by Great Chinese Wall. The lands to the north of this
wall which are currently under Chinese occupation were
annexed (as was Tibet) by China during last century.
The native population (Mongolians) was displaced and fled
north.
Serega
HAKKIM WONG
>As well as Inner Mongolia. China's borders are defined
>by Great Chinese Wall. The lands to the north of this
>wall which are currently under Chinese occupation were
>annexed (as was Tibet) by China during last century.
>The native population (Mongolians) was displaced and fled
>north.
>Serega
Bullshit.
Last century?
Your article tells your intelligence.
Displaced??
You seems to forgot the Qing Dynasty was founded by the Manchu,
who lost the Northern Manchuria to the shit Russian Imperialists
in 1860.
You also seems to forgot the Empress Dowager Ci-xi was also a Mongol
herself, and I don't think you would agree with you.
As a part Mongol myself, I am wondering where my grandpa died?
Did he fled North as you claimed??
No!
Why don't you be more informed before you post any stupid junkie
like this one.
By the way, my grandpa actually fled from the Russians.
Dragon Fly
>In article <1993Aug17.2...@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> viz...@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly) writes:
>>As well as Inner Mongolia. China's borders are defined
>>by Great Chinese Wall. The lands to the north of this
>>wall which are currently under Chinese occupation were
>>annexed (as was Tibet) by China during last century.
>>The native population (Mongolians) was displaced and fled
>>north.
>
> Last century?
> Your article tells your intelligence.
Yours tells the absence of any
> Displaced??
Yes, the native population of Inner Mongolia (Mongols)
were forcefully displaced or Chinised by Chinese occupiers.
This practice became routine under current communist regime
in Peking. The same relates to Tibet.
You know that Mongols invaded China ocasionally in the
past. It is against them Chinese built their "Great" Wall,
which represents the true border of China.
Would you agree with me that Chinese would not build
the walls against themselves, wouldn't you ?
Then as Chinese have striking ability to multiply
in enormous numbers, they outnumbered Mongols and
finally occupied their lands north from the Chinese Wall.
> You also seems to forgot the Empress Dowager Ci-xi was also a Mongol
> herself, and I don't think you would agree with you.
I think Mongols have different opinion on this point.
We should see the end to the plight of native population
of Inner Mongolia and Tibet currently under brutal Chinese
oppression. The Republic of Mongolia has already posed
justified claims on their territory occipied by China.
Inner Mongolia should and would re-unite with Republic of Mongolia,
as South Korea would reunite with North Korea, whose
barbaric communist regime is (as yet) being propped up by China.
> As a part Mongol myself, I am wondering where my grandpa died?
> Did he fled North as you claimed??
Since your IQ seems to be far below that of an avarage Mongol,
I assume you're not quite sincere about your true origins.
Probably you're the descendant of those Chinese slaves
("koolies" - is it how they were called ?) who were brought
to the New World to work on rice plantations alongside mules
and donkies. Another possibility I might think of is that
you're one of those arrived recently from China
to NYC and San Fransisco inside barges sleeping on and eating
their own shit. Am I right ?
> By the way, my grandpa actually fled from the Russians.
I'm glad for your grandpa. Was he orangutan or what?
Cordially,
Serega
Igor Belchinskiy
: Chinese do NOT want Russian land.
: We want Peace!
: We want Chinese land.
yep, this is a standard first step. we want only ours, Somehow it happens to
belong others.
: Both China and Finland lost land to the Russian Empire...
: Learn more about what other feel first....
is this wish applicable to tibetians as well?
--
Igor Belchinskiy bil.w...@xerox.com Opinions are mine and strong.
Jingchun Yu
Russian Empire was limited to the west side of Urals before last century.
The whole Siberia is currently under occupation of Russia.
Michael Kagalenko
> herself, and I don't think you would agree with you.
What a charming idea ! I think everybody should seriously ask himself :
"Do you agree with you ??"
Just like BG sang : "Nu v samom dele, zachem my nam ?"
Pyotr Shmelev
> No wonder. Usually all the idiots in this group are on the Russian side :-)
Marek, don't you love your Russian mommy?
Just curious.
Ke Huang
>In article <24rn0a$e...@hamblin.math.byu.edu> ha...@bert.cs.byu.edu (HAKKIM WONG) writes:
>>
>> You seems to forgot the Qing Dynasty was founded by the Manchu,
>> who lost the Northern Manchuria to the shit Russian Imperialists
>> in 1860.
>Russian Empire was limited to the west side of Urals before last century.
>The whole Siberia is currently under occupation of Russia.
What rights do the RUSSIANS have over Siberia anyway??
Which is greater: the blood ties between Siberia and its natives and
ex-natives (inc. Mongols and Manchus) or the tie between Russia and Siberia
via the transiberian railroad??
Get out of my homeland!!
a part manchu
-------
the above was posted for a friend, do not reply to this account
Dmitri Manin
> As a Manchurian myself I want outer-Manchuria back,
> that's all.
> Tibet to me should let go.
Folks, why spare bandwidth on Hakkim? He wants 'outer manchuria' --
let him go and take it if he can, whatever it is.
- DM
Chi M. Lau
Sounds like a typical Russie!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Chi M. Lau
I wonder who wants the Tibetan land more, Chinese, Brtis or Russies?
What makes you a Norwegian said that?
Samiland for Freedom!
Chi M. Lau
Nonsense.
I will kick your ass by saying that, I am half
mongol, half Hui, and your atticle makes me sick of
Chi M. Lau
>In article <24rn0a$e...@hamblin.math.byu.edu> ha...@bert.cs.byu.edu (HAKKIM WONG) writes:
>>In article <1993Aug17.2...@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> viz...@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly) writes:
>>>As well as Inner Mongolia. China's borders are defined
>>>by Great Chinese Wall. The lands to the north of this
>>>wall which are currently under Chinese occupation were
>>>annexed (as was Tibet) by China during last century.
>>>The native population (Mongolians) was displaced and fled
>>>north.
>>
>> Bullshit.
>> Last century?
>> Your article tells your intelligence.
>
>Yours tells the absence of any
>
>> Displaced??
>
>Yes, the native population of Inner Mongolia (Mongols)
>were forcefully displaced or Chinised by Chinese occupiers.
>This practice became routine under current communist regime
>in Peking. The same relates to Tibet.
This is nosense.
I was born in Beijing being half Mongol, half Hui(Chinese Moslem)
I have lived in Hulanbatu for few years in the early 70s, and
I don't think the "native" population were displaced or Chinised
by "Chinese".
You knows NOTHING about China, so please listen more before
you post nonsense like this.
You also seems to forgot Han is NOT equal to Chinese.
I am not Han; I am Half Mongol, half Hui(Chinese Moslem)
But I am a Chinese.
>
>You know that Mongols invaded China ocasionally in the
>past. It is against them Chinese built their "Great" Wall,
>which represents the true border of China.
>Would you agree with me that Chinese would not build
>the walls against themselves, wouldn't you ?
>
You also forgot that the Mongols invaded "China"
NOT as a foreign nations like Russia or the UK or Japan,
but rather like regional regime who was trying to take
the central government.
The last time that this happened was 1200, BEFORE any "Modern"
Western Countries were born. I am a descendant of "bahar",
a grandson of Kublai Khan.
>Then as Chinese have striking ability to multiply
>in enormous numbers, they outnumbered Mongols and
>finally occupied their lands north from the Chinese Wall.
>
Occupy????
It was the Russians who occupied Mongolia!!
It took place at 1922!!
I am sick of you Russian!!
>> You also seems to forgot the Empress Dowager Ci-xi was also a Mongol
>> herself, and I don't think you would agree with you.
>
>I think Mongols have different opinion on this point.
>
I don't agree with you
>We should see the end to the plight of native population
>of Inner Mongolia and Tibet currently under brutal Chinese
>oppression. The Republic of Mongolia has already posed
>justified claims on their territory occipied by China.
Not true.
>Inner Mongolia should and would re-unite with Republic of Mongolia,
>as South Korea would reunite with North Korea, whose
>barbaric communist regime is (as yet) being propped up by China.
All these fucking regimes were backed by
the Russians!!!!
Even the Chinese Communists Regime!!
Learn more history before you bark like a dog!
>
>> As a part Mongol myself, I am wondering where my grandpa died?
>> Did he fled North as you claimed??
>
>Since your IQ seems to be far below that of an avarage Mongol,
>I assume you're not quite sincere about your true origins.
>Probably you're the descendant of those Chinese slaves
>("koolies" - is it how they were called ?) who were brought
>to the New World to work on rice plantations alongside mules
>and donkies. Another possibility I might think of is that
>you're one of those arrived recently from China
>to NYC and San Fransisco inside barges sleeping on and eating
>their own shit. Am I right ?
I know this guy Hakkim.
You are absolutely wrong about him.
He is of Man-han-ba-qi, I think, and he said he also
has some Hui and Mongol ancestors besides Manchurian
If you ever met any so called Chinese koolie who bought
here and their descendants, then you would not make
such a wide guess.
Dmitri Manin
Huang) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>What rights do the RUSSIANS have over Siberia anyway??
>Which is greater: the blood ties between Siberia and its natives and
>ex-natives (inc. Mongols and Manchus) or the tie between Russia and Siberia
>via the transiberian railroad??
>
>Get out of my homeland!!
>a part manchu
>
Buddy, just go to your home Siberia, if you wish, and leave us alone!
That's ridiculous how some smart guys think they can change world by
posting in a newsgroup.
Dmitri Manin
<lots of IRRELEVANT stuff deleted>
> I will kick your ass by saying that, I am half
> mongol, half Hui, and your atticle makes me sick of
~~~
Nope, you're a complete one.
- DM
Vera Izrailit
: This is nosense.
: I was born in Beijing being half Mongol, half Hui(Chinese Moslem)
: You also seems to forgot Han is NOT equal to Chinese.
: I am not Han; I am Half Mongol, half Hui(Chinese Moslem)
: But I am a Chinese.
: Occupy????
: It was the Russians who occupied Mongolia!!
: It took place at 1922!!
: I am sick of you Russian!!
: All these fucking regimes were backed by
: the Russians!!!!
: Even the Chinese Communists Regime!!
: Learn more history before you bark like a dog!
I have no idea about to whom Siberia or Manchuria belonged or should belong,
but please don't scream so loudly here. Don't get upset at the dragon fly,
because he is just a dragon fly, and try to refrain from yelling and insul-
ting people in a kindergarden manner, because now you are starting to sound
like a 100% Hui.
;-^)
Best regards,
hugs and kisses,
V.
Chi M. Lau
>In article <4z$@byu.edu> la...@wyoming.et.byu.edu (Chi M. Lau) writes:
>> mongol, half Hui, and your atticle makes me sick of
No, I am not a full-blooded Moslem.
You are wrong about that.
Michael Kagalenko
Haha, I did like this exchange very much
JARI SEDERGREN (COMM)
Let's hope computer and nets work well and keep him busy. Apropos, I'm
wondering if he has his AK in US. Be careful out there, he might be
aannngry...
Jari
Jarmo Ryyti
: >pondering modes of operation of his AK-74 no. 3330229
If that means Kalashnikov rifles, perhaps not, because I am not
an expert on the weapons.
How ever if AK-74 means Kalashnikov I have
to inform that an Udmurt named Michael Kalashnikov created
that rifle, not a Russian. (The Udmurts are also called sometimes
votyaks are a Fenno-Ugrian minority in Russia)
This Udmurtian weapon is anyway very famous around the world.
jarmo
Helge J. Bj|rnhaug
China; that's obvious.
> What makes you a Norwegian said that?
Reports on how China oppresses Tibet.
> Samiland for Freedom!
If the Samis want their own country, then they should get it. But they
don't seem to will.
Helge
vad...@vms.huji.ac.il
Can someone explain me what is Full-Blooded Moslem?
I never heard about religion passing by genes.
Or we've got one more Weismanist-Mendelist-Morganist, by lovely definition of
late comrade Lysenko.
Best wishes,
Vadim
Marek Swierkosz
What a refined humor. Typical of Russians.
(To those who didn't understand this typically Russian joke: 'hui' means 'prick' in Russian. Enjoy.)
Marek
Henry Mednikoff
Sometimes reading Jarmo's postings, I begin to wonder if anything
was made by Russians at all, but rather by Finno-Ugrians.....
I guess, Hanti-Mansi (Ugrians) developed nuclear fusion...
It is just the opposite to the Stalin's propaganda of 30's, 40's & 50's
which insisted that every major scientific discovery or technological
achievement were of Russian origin.
It is funny to read nationalistic garbage, it is so primitive.
Henry.
Henry Mednikoff
>In article <8z$@byu.edu>, la...@utah.et.byu.edu (Chi M. Lau) writes:
>> In article <1993Aug18.2...@Csli.Stanford.EDU> ma...@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Dmitri Manin) writes:
>>>In article <4z$@byu.edu> la...@wyoming.et.byu.edu (Chi M. Lau) writes:
>>>> mongol, half Hui, and your atticle makes me sick of
Nope, you're a complete one.
>>
>>
>> No, I am not a full-blooded Moslem.
>>
>> You are wrong about that.
>>
>
>
>Can someone explain me what is Full-Blooded Moslem?
> I never heard about religion passing by genes.
>Or we've got one more Weismanist-Mendelist-Morganist, by lovely definition of
>late comrade Lysenko.
>Best wishes,
>Vadim
>
What is "half Hui" ? Sounds plural to my Russian ear.
If it is plural..hm.. then why "half" ?
Henry.
Jixiang Hao
>As well as Inner Mongolia. China's borders are defined
>by Great Chinese Wall.
Haha, if our neighbour from the north wants the border with them
defined as about 2300 years ago, I see no reason why Chinese
should reject their generous offer. ;-) ;-)
> The lands to the north of this wall which are currently under Chinese
> occupation were annexed (as was Tibet) by China during last century.
As far as your claim is concern, I would like you to enlighten me
how Mongolia and Tibet are/were disqualified to be part of China
with that of Russia being a nation?
Or you may choose the Karelia of Finland or the Eastern Manchuri
of China if you want.
>Serega
P.s. Don't tell me about *Red china*'s human rights abuse or whoever wants
to be independet. Tell me the FACTS. Doesn't matter Mongolia or Tibet.
Dragon Fly
> In article <1993Aug17.2...@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> viz...@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly) writes:
>>
>>Yes, the native population of Inner Mongolia (Mongols)
>>were forcefully displaced or Chinised by Chinese occupiers.
>>This practice became routine under current communist regime
>>in Peking. The same relates to Tibet.
>
> This is nosense.
> I was born in Beijing being half Mongol, half Hui (Chinese Moslem)
Now I see no reason why any Russian would not believe you :-)
> I have lived in Hulanbatu for few years in the early 70s, and
> I don't think the "native" population were displaced or Chinised
> by "Chinese".
>
> You knows NOTHING about China, so please listen more before
> you post nonsense like this.
>
> You also seems to forgot Han is NOT equal to Chinese.
> I am not Han; I am Half Mongol, half Hui(Chinese Moslem)
> But I am a Chinese.
>
>>You know that Mongols invaded China ocasionally in the
>>past. It is against them Chinese built their "Great" Wall,
>>which represents the true border of China.
>>Would you agree with me that Chinese would not build
>>the walls against themselves, wouldn't you ?
>>
> You also forgot that the Mongols invaded "China"
> NOT as a foreign nations like Russia or the UK or Japan,
> but rather like regional regime who was trying to take
> the central government.
That's interesting. Brotherly Mongols attacked and ravaged
China since 1200-ies, converting Chinese "brothers" into
shit-eating slaves, and forcing latters to built a "great"
wall against a "regional" regime. :-):-)
> The last time that this happened was 1200, BEFORE any "Modern"
> Western Countries were born. I am a descendant of "bahar",
> a grandson of Kublai Khan.
>
>>Then as Chinese have striking ability to multiply
>>in enormous numbers, they outnumbered Mongols and
>>finally occupied their lands north from the Chinese Wall.
>
> Occupy????
> It was the Russians who occupied Mongolia!!
> It took place at 1922!!
> I am sick of you Russian!!
>
>>> You also seems to forgot the Empress Dowager Ci-xi was also a Mongol
>>> herself, and I don't think you would agree with you.
>>
>>I think Mongols have different opinion on this point.
>>
> I don't agree with you
Look, I was born and grown in Siberia just a three
hundred miles north of Mongolia's border. And I
happened to visit Mongolia a couple of times.
Now go and tell me that Mongols = Chinese !! :-)
Mongols, in fact, HATE Chinese guts most of
all, mainly because Mongolia was several times
attacked by Chinese idiots from the south
during only this century. Adding to this are
continuos repressions and crackdowns of Chinese
regime on ethnic Mongols in Inner Mongolia which
is still under Chinese occupation. I have heard
on multiple ocasions about uprisings of local
Mongols in Inner Mongolia against Chinese occupiers,
which were brutally supressed by Chinese troops.
I saw a refugee camps in Republic of Mongolia
for those Mongols who managed to flee Chinese "paradise".
Nevertheless I found it funny that Chinese like
to consider themselves as having something to do
with Mongols. Probably they do, as much as with
American Indians.
There is a movement in Republic of Mongolia
which calls for re-unification of Inner Mongolia
with proper one.
>>We should see the end to the plight of native population
>>of Inner Mongolia and Tibet currently under brutal Chinese
>>oppression. The Republic of Mongolia has already posed
>>justified claims on their territory occipied by China.
>
> Not true.
See above.
>>Inner Mongolia should and would re-unite with Republic of Mongolia,
>>as South Korea would reunite with North Korea, whose
>>barbaric communist regime is (as yet) being propped up by China.
>
> All these fucking regimes were backed by
> the Russians!!!!
> Even the Chinese Communists Regime!!
> Learn more history before you bark like a dog!
I'm glad to hear such an advice from those
who were taught only immortal citations from
Mao's "red book" :-)
Serega
Ke Huang
>>>> We want Peace!
>>>> We want Chinese land.
>>
>> that's all.
>
>wall which are currently under Chinese occupation were
>annexed (as was Tibet) by China during last century.
>north.
BULLSHIT!!! Learn you history first peabrain..
There were 2 waves of "Mongolians." The first wave (Huns) were beaten out
and fled WEST to Europe. the land was then occupied by a mixture of Chinese,
Manchurian, and Siberian, they're the Mongols of the Great Khan and the Mongols
today. Mongolians is an official ethnic group in China, and Mongolia had been
a part of China since the 13th century. Outer Mongolia was stripped away only
when the Russians moved into Siberia, while Inner Mongolia stayed with China,
no Mongolians ever "fled north"
>Serega
posting for a friend, reply to his email: v100...@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
Chi M. Lau
>Haha, I did like this exchange very much
Why??
Chi M. Lau
>Can someone explain me what is Full-Blooded Moslem?
That means my mother is a Hui (Chinese Moslem)
and my father is not.
Ke Huang
>In article <5z$@byu.edu>, la...@wyoming.et.byu.edu (Chi M. Lau) writes:
>> In article <1993Aug17.2...@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> viz...@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Dragon Fly) writes:
>>
>> This is nosense.
>> I was born in Beijing being half Mongol, half Hui (Chinese Moslem)
> ~~~~~~~~
>Now I see no reason why any Russian would not believe you :-)
>
>> I have lived in Hulanbatu for few years in the early 70s, and
>> I don't think the "native" population were displaced or Chinised
>> by "Chinese".
>>
>> You knows NOTHING about China, so please listen more before
>> you post nonsense like this.
>>
>>>past. It is against them Chinese built their "Great" Wall,
>>>which represents the true border of China.
The Wall was built way back into the BC's, when the Slavs were still
little monkeys west of the urals
>>>Would you agree with me that Chinese would not build
>>>the walls against themselves, wouldn't you ?
The world has gotten bigger since then
>> You also forgot that the Mongols invaded "China"
>> NOT as a foreign nations like Russia or the UK or Japan,
>> but rather like regional regime who was trying to take
>> the central government.
>
>That's interesting. Brotherly Mongols attacked and ravaged
>China since 1200-ies, converting Chinese "brothers" into
>shit-eating slaves, and forcing latters to built a "great"
>wall against a "regional" regime. :-):-)
Very funny dipshit. The Wall was built in the BC's to defend against the
First Wave of Mongols - the Huns, but once the Huns were beaten and forced
to flee west the Wall became obsolete.
The Second Wave of Mongols was formed when Chinese Manchurian and Siberian
tribes moved into the land, for a long time they were subjects to the
Han-Chinese empire to the south, until the 13th century when the Sung dynasty
became weak with corruptions and became an easy target for its Mongolian and
Manchurian subjects.
>> The last time that this happened was 1200, BEFORE any "Modern"
>> Western Countries were born. I am a descendant of "bahar",
>> a grandson of Kublai Khan.
>>
>>>Then as Chinese have striking ability to multiply
>>>in enormous numbers, they outnumbered Mongols and
>>>finally occupied their lands north from the Chinese Wall.
That's bullshit.
>Look, I was born and grown in Siberia just a three
>hundred miles north of Mongolia's border. And I
That used to be Manchurian/Chinese land
>happened to visit Mongolia a couple of times.
>Now go and tell me that Mongols = Chinese !! :-)
Mongols=Chinese, just as Manchurians=Chinese
Besides, the point is: Siberia should belong to Mongolia and Manchuria,
therefore at least the Manchurian share should be Chinese
>Mongols, in fact, HATE Chinese guts most of
How do you think they'd feel about the Russians if the Russian textbooks
they used told them about how the Russians invaded and stole most of their
land? About of course not, the Russian textbooks they used only told lies
about the Chinese
>Nevertheless I found it funny that Chinese like
>to consider themselves as having something to do
>with Mongols. Probably they do, as much as with
>American Indians.
At least that tie is closer than that of Russia and Siberia or Finland
>There is a movement in Republic of Mongolia
>which calls for re-unification of Inner Mongolia
>with proper one.
Do they get their share of Siberia back also?
>>>We should see the end to the plight of native population
>>>of Inner Mongolia and Tibet currently under brutal Chinese
>>>oppression. The Republic of Mongolia has already posed
>>>justified claims on their territory occipied by China.
>>
>> Not true.
>
>See above.
See above.
>>>Inner Mongolia should and would re-unite with Republic of Mongolia,
>>>as South Korea would reunite with North Korea, whose
>>>barbaric communist regime is (as yet) being propped up by China.
>>
>> All these fucking regimes were backed by
>> the Russians!!!!
>> Even the Chinese Communists Regime!!
>> Learn more history before you bark like a dog!
>
>I'm glad to hear such an advice from those
>who were taught only immortal citations from
>Mao's "red book" :-)
Hey Serega, you said you were born in Siberia, did your mother also join
the new wave of Russian hookers in Manchuria?
>Serega
posting for a friend: v110...@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
Chi M. Lau
>hundred miles north of Mongolia's border. And I
So you are a Mongol?
>happened to visit Mongolia a couple of times.
Me too.
>Now go and tell me that Mongols = Chinese !! :-)
I am a Mongol and a Chinese.
>Mongols, in fact, HATE Chinese guts most of
>all, mainly because Mongolia was several times
>attacked by Chinese idiots from the south
>during only this century. Adding to this are
I don't hate Han.
Was it Russian and then Soviets who invaded Outer Mongolia
in 1912 and 1920 and 1922?
I did NOT think China even had enough army to fight
invade Mongol, since at that time everydody, except
the Scandavians, were trying to make China a Colony.
>continuos repressions and crackdowns of Chinese
>regime on ethnic Mongols in Inner Mongolia which
>is still under Chinese occupation. I have heard
Please write the FACT.
>on multiple ocasions about uprisings of local
>Mongols in Inner Mongolia against Chinese occupiers,
>which were brutally supressed by Chinese troops.
>I saw a refugee camps in Republic of Mongolia
>for those Mongols who managed to flee Chinese "paradise".
>
Where??
>Nevertheless I found it funny that Chinese like
>to consider themselves as having something to do
>with Mongols. Probably they do, as much as with
>American Indians.
Because you know NOTHING about Chinese history!!
>There is a movement in Republic of Mongolia
>which calls for re-unification of Inner Mongolia
>with proper one.
Really?
I never heard anything about that
when I lived in Hulanbatu.
As a matter of fact, the Mongols from outer Mongolia
want to regain the Lake Balkal region.
>I'm glad to hear such an advice from those
>who were taught only immortal citations from
>Mao's "red book" :-)
Yes, and Mao was a little brother of Stalin, Lenin.
Don't forget it was the Russians who took Manchuria
in 1945 and gave it to Mao, which was against the
international law.
Sergei, why do you keep posting nosense in
s.c.c?? China is NOT a nationalistic country
like Russia, Germany, Norway, etc.
If you classify an ethnic group as having 1 lanuage,
then there are over 2000 ethnic groups in China.
The Cantonese is so remote that I understand a lot
better German than it, even the Cantonese is Han-Chinese,
and write Chinese. I know nothing about it.
Dmitri Manin
Finnland is the motherland of elephants. You're boring, Jarmo, not
even entertaining.
- DM
Henry Mednikoff
>In article <1993Aug19....@vms.huji.ac.il> vad...@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>>Can someone explain me what is Full-Blooded Moslem?
>
>
> That means my mother is a Hui (Chinese Moslem)
and my father is not.
>
>
Well, it is kind of strange statement: If your mother is a Hui, then who is your Farther ?
I am damn confused.
Henry.
Boris A. Veytsman
Okh uzh mne eti vostochnyye izvrashcheniya...
(Izvini, Vera, ne uderzhalsya)
Good luck
-Boris
Michael Kagalenko
>>>Note, that this jarmo do not argue about "idiot" - only about "agressive"
>>>Yet, if you guys both from China and Finland want some Russian land,
>>>you can come and try to grab it, like many others before you did.
>>>
>>>
>>>Michael,
>>>
>>>pondering modes of operation of his AK-74 no. 3330229
>
>> Sounds like a typical Russie!
>
>Let's hope computer and nets work well and keep him busy. Apropos, I'm
>wondering if he has his AK in US. Be careful out there, he might be
>aannngry...
Jary, I may or may not be busy, but you better figure for yourself that
I expressed feelings of many of my buddies, most of whom are in Russia
now. And many of them posess their reliable AKs. Think about that each
time you have that enticing sensation that some Russian land was unjustly
taken from your country.
Michael Kagalenko
>
>If that means Kalashnikov rifles, perhaps not, because I am not
>an expert on the weapons.
>
>How ever if AK-74 means Kalashnikov I have
>to inform that an Udmurt named Michael Kalashnikov created
You're right, his name is the same as mine. ;-)
>that rifle, not a Russian. (The Udmurts are also called sometimes
>votyaks are a Fenno-Ugrian minority in Russia)
Nobody, except racists like you, jarmo, make a distinctions like that.
If he speaks Russian and considers himself Russian, he is.
Michael Kagalenko
>
>
Oh, my ;-) ;-)
Sincerely,
Michael
ROTFL
Aleksey Y. Romanov
>In article <24v9ss$7...@tukki.cc.jyu.fi> ry...@network.cc.jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>>
>>: >pondering modes of operation of his AK-74 no. 3330229
Sorry I missed the start of discussion. Does this number has anything
in common with the song "Rifle" by V.Kachan:
Vstan' student naizgotovku
Prilogi k plechu vintovku
Nomer 330229
????????
>>If that means Kalashnikov rifles, perhaps not, because I am not
>>an expert on the weapons.
>>
>>How ever if AK-74 means Kalashnikov I have
>>to inform that an Udmurt named Michael Kalashnikov created
>>that rifle, not a Russian. (The Udmurts are also called sometimes
>>votyaks are a Fenno-Ugrian minority in Russia)
>>
>>This Udmurtian weapon is anyway very famous around the world.
>>jarmo
>>
>
>Finnland is the motherland of elephants. You're boring, Jarmo, not
>even entertaining.
>
>- DM
>
Aleksey
--
Aleksey Y. Romanov
DISCLAIMER: The views expressed are entirely my own and do not
necessary reflect those of my employer or anyone else
Michael Kagalenko
I'm always glad to discuss my AK-74
In article <1993Aug19.1...@gtech.com> ayr@node_man.uucp (Aleksey Y. Romanov) writes:
>>>
>>>: >pondering modes of operation of his AK-74 no. 3330229
> ^^^^^^^
>
>Sorry I missed the start of discussion. Does this number has anything
>in common with the song "Rifle" by V.Kachan:
>
>Vstan' student naizgotovku
>Prilogi k plechu vintovku
>Nomer 330229
>
That's funny coincidence : my number is the number of genuine Kalashnikov
machine-gun; BTW, I'm usually able to hit the target at 350m by the
first 3 shots seria. It's good and reliable machine ;-)
Henry Mednikoff
Legenda ob Avtomate Kalashnikova & Udmurtskih lesah :
---------------------------------------------------
Esli vstretish' v lesu Jarmo,
Ne speshi streliat' !
Otkopai snachala jamu,
Ulozji vse dno bur'ianom,
I prikladikom lubianim..
Po "sharam" po olovianim,
Tak, choto bi ne vstat'.
Budet dolgo snit'sia Jarmo
etot avtomat:
Sem' patronov i oboima,
Noven'kii priklad.
Budet ochen' on gordit'sia predkami,
Lezja v jame, vsei pokritoi vetkami.
Henry.
Michael Kagalenko
>
>
>Legenda ob Avtomate Kalashnikova & Udmurtskih lesah :
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Lezja v jame, vsei pokritoi vetkami.
>
>Henry.
Henry, this ain't funny; too rude ;-(
Dmitri Manin
|:--))
@ \
Thatta cute boy! He even managed to miss Marek's explanation. Thanks,
Mr. Lau, you delivered me a couple of minutes of good laugh.
Truly sincerely
- DM
Dmitri Manin
>[stuff deleted]
>Mongols=Chinese, just as Manchurians=Chinese
Somebody, please remind me, which dialect of Chinese do Mongols speak?
And, by the way, which dialect of Chinese do we speak ourselves?
>Besides, the point is: Siberia should belong to Mongolia and Manchuria,
>therefore at least the Manchurian share should be Chinese
>
Go ask Siberians whether they want to 'belong' to Mongols. Or China,
for that matter. And don't tell me they don't want to belong to Russia
either: it is irrelevant.
- DM
Igor Belchinskiy
: In article <1993Aug18.2...@Csli.Stanford.EDU> ma...@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Dmitri Manin) writes:
: >In article <4z$@byu.edu> la...@wyoming.et.byu.edu (Chi M. Lau) writes:
: >> mongol, half Hui, and your atticle makes me sick of
: >Nope, you're a complete one.
: No, I am not a full-blooded Moslem.
And you aren't full-blooded Hui either.
(sorry, couldn't resist)
--
Igor Belchinskiy bil.w...@xerox.com Opinions are mine and strong.
Igor Belchinskiy
: What a refined humor. Typical of Russians.
: (To those who didn't understand this typically Russian joke: 'hui' means 'prick' in Russian. Enjoy.)
Nope. It's only an illustration of generally good idea of learning at least
basics of subject like the most frequently used and connotative word
in spoken language before hysterically screaming own diletant opinions.
Typical example of _Sama sebya vysekla_ :-)
: Marek
Dragon Fly
>
> In article <CC0nH...@acsu.buffalo.edu> keh...@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ke Huang) writes:
> >[stuff deleted]
> >Mongols=Chinese, just as Manchurians=Chinese
>
> Somebody, please remind me, which dialect of Chinese do Mongols speak?
> And, by the way, which dialect of Chinese do we speak ourselves?
Huevyj, obviously..
> >Besides, the point is: Siberia should belong to Mongolia and Manchuria,
> >therefore at least the Manchurian share should be Chinese
>
> Go ask Siberians whether they want to 'belong' to Mongols. Or China,
> for that matter.
As a Siberian I can answer this: yes, we do want to belong to China,
as long as there are no Chinese 10,000 miles around :-)
> And don't tell me they don't want to belong to Russia
> either: it is irrelevant.
>
> - DM
Serega
Chi M. Lau
>Jary, I may or may not be busy, but you better figure for yourself that
>I expressed feelings of many of my buddies, most of whom are in Russia
>now. And many of them posess their reliable AKs. Think about that each
>time you have that enticing sensation that some Russian land was unjustly
>taken from your country.
OK.
We all give up.
Let Russians have Europe, China, Alaska.
We will admit your buddies in Russia are the most
peace-loving people.
Boston should also be Russian because there is at least
one Urkanian-turn-Russian there.
Peace.
Chi M. Lau
Hui is not hui.
It is in Chinese, not Russian.
Your laugh tells your sickness.
Chi M. Lau
>Thatta cute boy! He even managed to miss Marek's explanation. Thanks,
>Mr. Lau, you delivered me a couple of minutes of good laugh.
You laugh tells your sickness.
Sick joke.
Chi M. Lau
>And you aren't full-blooded Hui either.
You Russians are sick!
Hui is my mother's nationality, she is Moslem.
Hui means Moslem in Mandarin.
You can her "hui" in Russian, that is sick.
Plain sick.
I will not forgot this insult.
Vera Izrailit
: You Russians are sick!
:
: Hui is my mother's nationality, she is Moslem.
: Hui means Moslem in Mandarin.
:
: You can her "hui" in Russian, that is sick.
: Plain sick.
First of all, I sincerely hope your mother does not have a 'hui'. But even
if she does, don't worry - nobody is planning to can it.
: I will not forgot this insult.
I realize of course that Usenet is not the place where the most polite people
in the world congregate. But seriously, I think that a person who is *so*
easily excitable has no place on the net.
Relax, get some professional help, and come back when you are strong enough
to take it (the net I mean).
And remember that the purpose of flaming is not to get pissed off, but to get
your opponent pissed off.
Best of luck.
Best regards,
hugs and kisses,
V.
Jarmo Ryyti
: In article 7...@tukki.cc.jyu.fi, ry...@network.cc.jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
: Sometimes reading Jarmo's postings, I begin to wonder if anything
: was made by Russians at all, but rather by Finno-Ugrians.....
: I guess, Hanti-Mansi (Ugrians) developed nuclear fusion...
: It is just the opposite to the Stalin's propaganda of 30's, 40's & 50's
: which insisted that every major scientific discovery or technological
: achievement were of Russian origin.
: It is funny to read nationalistic garbage, it is so primitive.
: Henry.
You generalize quite a lot! I just wrote about Kalashnikov, of_one_ person,
because probably it is not at all known that he is a votyak.
I appreciate very much such Russian geniuses in music, litterature etc.
jarmo
Jarmo Ryyti
: In article <24v9ss$7...@tukki.cc.jyu.fi> ry...@network.cc.jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
: >that rifle, not a Russian. (The Udmurts are also called sometimes
: >votyaks are a Fenno-Ugrian minority in Russia)
: Nobody, except racists like you, jarmo, make a distinctions like that.
: If he speaks Russian and considers himself Russian, he is.
He told HIMSELF while visiting Finland that he is a votyak and wanted to see
how people live in a FREE FENNO-UGRIAN COUNTRY. First c. two years
ago he was allowed by the Russkies to travel abroad. The first place
he wanted to see was Japan and the second one Finland.
This is just for to tell something what is Russian/Soviet system
like. From the comments made by the Russkies very much has not yet changed
in the Imperium.
jarmo
Ivar J. Gubberud
>: >pondering modes of operation of his AK-74 no. 3330229
^^
>If that means Kalashnikov rifles, perhaps not, because I am not
>an expert on the weapons.
>How ever if AK-74 means Kalashnikov I have
^^
>to inform that an Udmurt named Michael Kalashnikov created
>that rifle, not a Russian. (The Udmurts are also called sometimes
>votyaks are a Fenno-Ugrian minority in Russia)
>This Udmurtian weapon is anyway very famous around the world.
>jarmo
Isn't it AK-47 Kalashnikov?
Ivar
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Dragon Fly
>
> In article <1993Aug19.1...@spectrum.xerox.com> bil@burka (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
> >And you aren't full-blooded Hui either.
>
>
> Hui is my mother's nationality, she is Moslem.
> Hui means Moslem in Mandarin.
>
> You can her "hui" in Russian, that is sick.
> Plain sick.
>
Listen, Hui, Muslim is not a nationality, it's
a religion. Consult H.Mutlu on this question before
you Hui stick out your dirty hui from your shithole,
which as one poet said, stinks almost as much as your
mouth.
Serega
Dragon Fly
>
> In article <24v9ss$7...@tukki.cc.jyu.fi> ry...@network.cc.jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>
>
> >: >pondering modes of operation of his AK-74 no. 3330229
> ^^
> >If that means Kalashnikov rifles, perhaps not, because I am not
> >an expert on the weapons.
>
> >How ever if AK-74 means Kalashnikov I have
> ^^
> >to inform that an Udmurt named Michael Kalashnikov created
> >that rifle, not a Russian. (The Udmurts are also called sometimes
> >votyaks are a Fenno-Ugrian minority in Russia)
>
> >This Udmurtian weapon is anyway very famous around the world.
> >jarmo
>
> Isn't it AK-47 Kalashnikov?
AK-47 means literally "Avtomat Kalashnikova 1947-goda"
(Automatic Rifle of Kalashnikov, design of 1947 year).
BTW, what do Finns have in their army ?
Serega
phent...@cc.helsinki.fi
> I expressed feelings of many of my buddies, most of whom are in Russia
> now. And many of them posess their reliable AKs. Think about that each
> time you have that enticing sensation that some Russian land was unjustly
> taken from your country.
>
So you message is that we shouldn't speak about justice? Who has the power has
also the right?
It brings to my mind what our late president Paasikivi said to his countrymen:
"Do not speak so much about justice. The Kremlin is not a provincial court."
Dmitri Manin
Can't but disagree. The joke is silly but healthy. The laugh was
lightweight but sincere. Your screams (see Vera's posting coupla days
ago) -- that's what is sick.
Still grateful
- DM
Hubey
>
> By the way, my grandpa actually fled from the Russians.
Lands get lost and won.
They say possession is 90% of ownership.
Most people who post here seem to subscribe to this view.
They talk about ethics and western civilization and right and wrong
at the same time. "Might makes right" is what they practice and
they also pretend to have some other kind of a universal ethic
that is not the law of the jungle.
All the rest are various excuses for why then have to practice
or whey they aren't "really" practicing "Might makes right".
Why bother?
--
--mark--
When an idea is wanting a word can always be found to take its place.
Johann W. von Goethe
Hubey
>
> Russian Empire was limited to the west side of Urals before last century.
> The whole Siberia is currently under occupation of Russia.
Why stop here? Go back to around 300 AD around the time when the
Huns chased the Goths out of the steppes north of the Black Sea
and tell all the Slavs to go back to the Pripet Marshes.
Hubey
> Then as Chinese have striking ability to multiply
> in enormous numbers, they outnumbered Mongols and
> finally occupied their lands north from the Chinese Wall.
You mean like the "striking ability" of the Slavs to multiply
in enormous numbers and go from being unkown people confined to
the Pripet marshes to expand and take over all of Eastern Europe
all the way to the Pacific, to the Black Sea and south of
the Carpathians and become about half of all of Europe.
No wonder, you're jealous of the Chinese :-).
But the Chinese are still essentially in the same region where
they have always lived.
PS. Serega, your type of arguments and repostes only work in
societies when the majority can win arguments by simply being
in the majority. All they have to do is get together and
start laughing at anyone and anything that doesn't sit well
with them. It's done in many places. It's always the minorities
who suffer. This is the main reason for the institutionalized
anti-semitism in Europe for many centuries.
Nothing much has changed over the centuries, has it?
The same old trick.
Hubey
> BULLSHIT!!! Learn you history first peabrain..
> There were 2 waves of "Mongolians." The first wave (Huns) were
beaten out
HUns were Turkic not Mongol.
> and fled WEST to Europe. the land was then occupied by a mixture of Chinese,
> Manchurian, and Siberian, they're the Mongols of the Great Khan and the Mongols
Siberia is just a land, not an ethnic designation. Manchurian refers
to the people who speak Altaic languages. Siberia also has/had
people who spoke Uralic and other languages.
> today. Mongolians is an official ethnic group in China, and Mongolia had been
> a part of China since the 13th century. Outer Mongolia was stripped away only
Would China in its generosity also be willing to give up East
Turkestan or do they claim that the Uighurs and Kazakhs are Chinese?
Hubey
> Listen, Hui, Muslim is not a nationality, it's
> a religion. Consult H.Mutlu on this question before
This is quite pointless.
Orus is Turkic for Russian. Oruspu is Turkish for prostitute.
What's so funny about that?
I have more goodies of this type, some of them even worse.
Vera Izrailit
: They talk about ethics and western civilization and right and wrong
: at the same time. "Might makes right" is what they practice and
: they also pretend to have some other kind of a universal ethic
: that is not the law of the jungle.
But might *does* make right. Most of the people believe that it shouldn't,
but it does, just because there is no other universal measure of ethics.
The only ethics that exists beyond 'might makes right' is personal ethics.
: All the rest are various excuses for why then have to practice
: or whey they aren't "really" practicing "Might makes right".
I'd say all the rest is people attempts to convince others that their own
ethics should be universal.
: Why bother?
For fun, and also in a vain hope to convince others that you are right.
Chi M. Lau
Chi M. Lau
>HUns were Turkic not Mongol.
True
>Would China in its generosity also be willing to give up East
>Turkestan or do they claim that the Uighurs and Kazakhs are Chinese?
Yes, if they want to join other Turkic people
Wu-er-kai-xi is the number 2 in the most wanted list
of the Tiananmen massacre. He is a Uighur. I have actually
met him in California. He is more Chinese than most of the
Chinese here.
Wang dang is a Manchurian, and he is a number 1 in the list.
By the token of Sergei Vynchuk "Dragon Fly", they were not Chinese.
This is nonsense.
Sergei, you make me sick.
You racist view of Chinese and Moslem in particular is really
SICK. SICK.
Dmitri Manin
hu...@pilot.njin.net (Hubey) writes:
[Re our recent huiisms:]
>Orus is Turkic for Russian. Oruspu is Turkish for prostitute.
>
>What's so funny about that?
Nothing. Let me tell you an old story:
Once there was a company of good friends who knew each other
for years and have told all jokes so many times that they knew
them by heart. So they numbered all jokes and somebody would
just say "22!" - and everybody laughed happily.
Once a young man shared company with them. He decided to tell
a joke too and said "107!"... and nobody laughed. Some people
can tell jokes, and others just can't.
Only a kid could blush and giggle at finding out that Hui means
something in Chinese. (By the way, I remember somebody's memoirs about
school years in pre-revolutionary Russia, when scholars marched in a
street repeating inclinations of the Latin pronoun hic/haec/hoc. Later
I understood why: the inclination goes like this: 'hic/haec/hoc!
huius/huius/huius! huic/huic/huic!, etc').
But it was different here: the guy just COULD make it into a good
joke. It was so unexpected to see that histerical
Chinese/Mongol/Muslim/whoever call himself Hui that it caused an
instant enlightenment expressing itself in a burst of laughter. And
the more so later, when he, having missed the explanation of the joke
posted in the same newsgroup, repeated the mistake saying that his
mother was H and his father wasn't.
Hope now you understand better.
Sincerely
- DM
avai...@amenity.com
>
>Can someone explain me what is Full-Blooded Moslem?
> I never heard about religion passing by genes.
>Or we've got one more Weismanist-Mendelist-Morganist, by lovely definition of
>late comrade Lysenko.
>Best wishes,
>Vadim
>
Nope. He is just a half Hui... not enough long to be a complete one.
phent...@cc.helsinki.fi
>
> Finnland is the motherland of elephants. You're boring, Jarmo, not
> even entertaining.
>
> - DM
I apologize for Jarmo: the motherland is of course Russia :-)
Pekka
Hubey
> For fun, and also in a vain hope to convince others that you are right.
>
Others have to convince themselves what they want.
If ethics has its fashion like everything else, we're now back to the
last century, and looking forward to another century of colonization.
With a slight difference, if the Great Powers cannot agree on the
divisions and start another WW, this time they'll do a lot more
damage than the previous two.
Hubey
> mother was H and his father wasn't.
>
> Hope now you understand better.
I know why everyone was poking fun, but it seems kind of silly to
keep on ganging up for no reason than one just happens to be an
outsider, and doesn't get it.
The attitude was what I was trying to point out not necessarily the
specific actions. Anyone in any language can find words of this sort
and start making internal jokes and poking fun at people, but if there
was no gang, it would look like someone who was little unbalanced
laughing to himself. It's only the herd that makes it felt. And some
sociologists use exactly this expresssion "herd instinc" to try to
explain why people could gang up and become fascists, and carry things
to ridiculous extremes when in fact, as individuals, they would not
have.
I hope I explained myself clearly.
Zhiqi Zuo
Dear Fly Serega,
Are you a mongolian or manchurian or native siberian?
Do you know that a couple of you guys are making GENERAL
INSULTS to chinese muslims or mongolian chinese or manchurian
chinese while you think they are exclusive personal ones?
Think it twice, PLEAaaaaaaaaaaaaSE.
Mongolia was repeatedly invaded after Katherene's control.
Eastern Manchuria became Russian only after the masscre and looting
of the 64 villages(Armur River was the boundary during the period
of the greatest Emporor KangXi of Manchus Dynasty). All of these
are still fresh to many of these peoples. As a person grown up in
the Manchuria, I occasionally sensed the resentments to russians.
The interactions between the divided peoples are increasing these
days. Don't overlook the nationalist feelings, by making fun of
them, for the sake of your willingness of keeping parts of the
peoples, and therefore their lands, in russia forever.
Sincerely,
Zhiqi Zuo
a chinese from Manchuria
PS: Flames through emails generally are welcome, but be sure to
make them short to be useful.
Mikhail S. Verbitsky
> Sergei, why do you keep posting nosense in
> s.c.c?? China is NOT a nationalistic country
> like Russia, Germany, Norway, etc.
Judging by the number of agressive idiots who monthly
appear on Soviet newsgroups shouting that Siberia must
belong to China, the Chinese are the most nationalistic
people in the world. I studied Chinese philosophy and
never had any bad feelings about Chinese, but after
reading these articles I am afraid that these idiots
are prevalent in China and that the war between Russia
and China (where politicians, it seems, claim Siberia as
a Chinese land) is imminent. My only hope is that Russian
war machine will remain in working state when it happens.
Or, may be, China will crumble down as many empires
did - in this case Russia will war with Manchuria
or some other part of old China.
Misha.
Dragon Fly
>
> In article <1993Aug20....@huey.csun.edu> viz...@ohstpy.bitnet (Dragon Fly) writes:
> >
> >Listen, Hui, Muslim is not a nationality, it's
> >a religion. Consult H.Mutlu on this question before
> >you Hui stick out your dirty hui from your shithole,
> >which as one poet said, stinks almost as much as your
> >mouth.
>
> Are you a mongolian or manchurian or native siberian?
native Siberian.
Mongols live in Mongolia and in Inner Mongolia,
occupied (as yet) by China. In 1920-ies several millions
Chinese idiots attacked and tried to annex proper
Mongolia as well, but were successfully kicked off by
five thousand Mongol troops headed by Blukher. Isn't it
enough for you ?
> Do you know that a couple of you guys are making GENERAL
> INSULTS to chinese muslims or mongolian chinese or manchurian
> chinese while you think they are exclusive personal ones?
>
> Think it twice, PLEAaaaaaaaaaaaaSE.
Let me give yeah yet another advice. Insert your muslim, or Chinese
or whatever pride back into your asshole and pull it out slowly,
not all at once. At least people would have time to accomodate
to your presence.
Cordially,
Serega
vad...@vms.huji.ac.il
> In article <1993Aug19....@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> mkag...@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Michael Kagalenko) writes:
>>In article <$0$@byu.edu> la...@utah.et.byu.edu (Chi M. Lau) writes:
>>> That means my mother is a Hui (Chinese Moslem)
>>>and my father is not. ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Oh, my ;-) ;-)
>
>
> Hui is not hui.
> It is in Chinese, not Russian.
>
> Your laugh tells your sickness.
On the contrary, my reason and feelings tell me that hui is hui.
Best wishes,