Sidebar in mail client
Wayne Vinson
1.2? It's not a simple matter of hitting F9, and View>Show/Hide>Sidebar
is no longer available? I ask this because I used it in conjuction with
the Address Book Sidebar tab. I found no reference to its removal in the
release notes (which is annoying).
Rob Stow
An asshole named Seth Spitzer removed it.
Since he has pretty much total control of Mail/News it
took him only 39 minutes to file a bug to propose that
stupid idea, post a patch, approve it, and write it off
and over and done with.
The bug where he did this was
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168670
To file a vote for its restoration go to
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178003
The first five messages of 168670 illustrate all too
well that nothing matters beyond what the component
owners want to do - no one elses opinions are wanted
or considered. If a scrotum like Spitzer wanted to
do something equally stupid like removing the address
book from Mail/News there would be fuck all we could
do about it.
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Benedikt Kantus
Yes, I think he abused his authority.
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Rob Stow
Definitely not. But it just as surely does not hurt
anything either - he has made it quite clear that he
is going to do exactly as he pleases regardless of
what anyone else says.
Dan Parent
> The first five messages of 168670 illustrate all too
> well that nothing matters beyond what the component
> owners want to do - no one elses opinions are wanted
> or considered. If a scrotum like Spitzer wanted to
> do something equally stupid like removing the address
> book from Mail/News there would be fuck all we could
> do about it.
>
Um, the code is readily available and I don't think anyone could stop
you from maintaining a xpi install of something like the sidebar. The
code is there as reference even (http://lxr.mozilla.org) and the
anonymous cvs server will let you get at it. Something like this should
be possible look at enigmail or the spellchecker as possible starting
points.
Your right that component owners really do have the final word in a
project, they own the component. I have talked online with Seth in the
past and have found him to be very helpful and undeserving of such a
personal attack.
This of course is just my own personal experience and opinion,
Dan
Rob Stow
> Rob Stow wrote:
>
>> The first five messages of 168670 illustrate all too
>> well that nothing matters beyond what the component
>> owners want to do - no one elses opinions are wanted
>> or considered. If a scrotum like Spitzer wanted to
>> do something equally stupid like removing the address
>> book from Mail/News there would be fuck all we could
>> do about it.
>>
>
> Um, the code is readily available and I don't think anyone could stop
> you from maintaining a xpi install of something like the sidebar. The
> code is there as reference even (http://lxr.mozilla.org) and the
> anonymous cvs server will let you get at it. Something like this should
> be possible look at enigmail or the spellchecker as possible starting
> points.
Unfortunately, at home I don't have the tools with which to
play around with the Mozilla source. At work I have the
tools but not the time, and even if I did have the time the
security policy could get me canned for merely downloading
Mozilla or the Mozilla source.
>
> Your right that component owners really do have the final word in a
> project, they own the component. I have talked online with Seth in the
> past and have found him to be very helpful and undeserving of such a
> personal attack.
His conduct in removing the sidebar without giving anybody else
the slightest chance to voice an objection shows the world
what kind of person he is. He has earned far worse than I have
said about him.
>
> This of course is just my own personal experience and opinion,
>
> Dan
>
mark bokil
> Wayne Vinson wrote:
>
>> Has anyone heard what became of the sidebar in the mail client since
>> 1.2? It's not a simple matter of hitting F9, and
>> View>Show/Hide>Sidebar is no longer available? I ask this because I
>> used it in conjuction with the Address Book Sidebar tab. I found no
>> reference to its removal in the release notes (which is annoying).
>>
I don't understand the logic of removing View>show/hide>sidebar from
Mail and Address Book. The browser still allows F9 to close the sidebar.
It doesn't make any sense from a UI design perspective. It was kind of
nice to be able to collapse them. Come on Seth put it back in.
-Mark
Sailfish
left side panel too busy, so I'm not too bothered with it's removal.
Although, it would have been better to leave it enabled until such time
as he got the Addressbook addition finished. At least that way, folks
could still use the sidebar Addressbook while they're waiting for the
standalone version.
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Rob Stow
> mark bokil wrote:
>
> Personally, I thought the sidebar (along with the folder pane) made the
> left side panel too busy, so I'm not too bothered with it's removal.
> Although, it would have been better to leave it enabled until such time
> as he got the Addressbook addition finished. At least that way, folks
> could still use the sidebar Addressbook while they're waiting for the
> standalone version.
>
Unfortunately, the Addressbook thingy is not planned to
give access to bookmarks which was my primary use for the
sidebar from Mail/News. I quite frequently have only
Mail/News open and wish to put a bookmarked URL into
an e-mail or newsgroup posting - it use to be a 5 second
process, but with the sidebar gone it is closer to a
full minute now.
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Sailfish
> Sailfish wrote:
>
>> mark bokil wrote:
>>
>> Personally, I thought the sidebar (along with the folder pane) made
>> the left side panel too busy, so I'm not too bothered with it's
>> removal. Although, it would have been better to leave it enabled until
>> such time as he got the Addressbook addition finished. At least that
>> way, folks could still use the sidebar Addressbook while they're
>> waiting for the standalone version.
>>
>
> Unfortunately, the Addressbook thingy is not planned to
> give access to bookmarks which was my primary use for the
> sidebar from Mail/News. I quite frequently have only
> Mail/News open and wish to put a bookmarked URL into
> an e-mail or newsgroup posting - it use to be a 5 second
> process, but with the sidebar gone it is closer to a
> full minute now.
>
conjested in their own right, using the small space provided in the
sidebar to do this would be pure h-ll. A question, though.
What if they were to allow say, Ctrl-B, to open the bookmark window in
mailnews (or even an icon like Addressbook on the component bar?) Would
this be an acceptable workaround?
Rob Stow
> Rob Stow wrote:
>
>> Sailfish wrote:
>>
>>> mark bokil wrote:
>>>
>>> Personally, I thought the sidebar (along with the folder pane) made
>>> the left side panel too busy, so I'm not too bothered with it's
>>> removal. Although, it would have been better to leave it enabled
>>> until such time as he got the Addressbook addition finished. At least
>>> that way, folks could still use the sidebar Addressbook while they're
>>> waiting for the standalone version.
>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, the Addressbook thingy is not planned to
>> give access to bookmarks which was my primary use for the
>> sidebar from Mail/News. I quite frequently have only
>> Mail/News open and wish to put a bookmarked URL into
>> an e-mail or newsgroup posting - it use to be a 5 second
>> process, but with the sidebar gone it is closer to a
>> full minute now.
>>
> An interesting alternate use of bookmarks; although, my bookmarks are so
> conjested in their own right, using the small space provided in the
> sidebar to do this would be pure h-ll. A question, though.
>
> What if they were to allow say, Ctrl-B, to open the bookmark window in
> mailnews
There is a bug for this, but IIRC it is marked "Won't Fix".
(or even an icon like Addressbook on the component bar?) Would
> this be an acceptable workaround?
>
I could live with a way to start Bookmark Manager from Mail/News :-)
I would actually prefer it over the sidebar because Bookmark Manager
is not only a little faster to open up than sidebar, but the more
my bookmarks grow, the more apparent the speed difference becomes.
Sailfish
"...\mozilla.exe" -chrome
chrome://communicator/content/bookmarks/bookmarks.xul -mail -P
"YourProfileName"
gor your shortcut :_)
Charles Marcus
> Unfortunately, the Addressbook thingy is not planned to
> give access to bookmarks which was my primary use for the
> sidebar from Mail/News. I quite frequently have only
> Mail/News open and wish to put a bookmarked URL into
> an e-mail or newsgroup posting - it use to be a 5 second
> process, but with the sidebar gone it is closer to a
> full minute now.
Am I missing something? Is it possible to get the Addressbook
down into the sidebar like in Outbreak?
That would be a welcome addition for me...
Charles
Rob Stow
> Rob Stow wrote:
>
>>> What if they were to allow say, Ctrl-B, to open the bookmark window
>>> in mailnews
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a bug for this, but IIRC it is marked "Won't Fix".
>>
>> (or even an icon like Addressbook on the component bar?) Would
>>
>>> this be an acceptable workaround?
>>>
>>
>> I could live with a way to start Bookmark Manager from Mail/News :-)
>> I would actually prefer it over the sidebar because Bookmark Manager
>> is not only a little faster to open up than sidebar, but the more
>> my bookmarks grow, the more apparent the speed difference becomes.
>>
> Try:
>
> "...\mozilla.exe" -chrome
> chrome://communicator/content/bookmarks/bookmarks.xul -mail -P
> "YourProfileName"
>
>
I gave that a good try out and than had to undo it.
In case anyone else is wondering, what it does is start up
Bookmark Manager and Mail/News when you use the shortcut.
The downside with this is that if you have a link in a message
that you want to view, Mozilla crashes when it tries to open
the browser. After experiencing that and getting it to
recur at will I also tried opening the browser from the menu -
and that crashes also.
Using 2002010308 on WinNT4 (SP6a).
Sailfish
Worked fine here:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030106
and
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120
Netscape/7.01
Wayne Vinson
> Am I missing something? Is it possible to get the Addressbook down into
> the sidebar like in Outbreak?
It used to be right up until 1.2. Using the Sidebar, you could display
your addresses. Now it's gone. I'm hoping there might be enough demand
to bring it back in future releases.