Astronomical errors in Hindi Movies
Alok
(http://www.badastronomy.com/), and it came to my mind to compile a list
of "Bad Astronomy" in Indian movies: I know there would be many, so
please contribute.
Two examples come to my mind:
- Aandhi: Sanjeev Kumar to the heroine: "Ye chand jo hai, ise raat mein
dekhna, ye din mein nahin nikalta" (See the moon in the night, it
doesn't come out during daytime).
- Yes Boss: Shahrukh and Juhi are walking on the beach, and the time is
around 7.30pm. They see the full moon right overhead!
Of course I am not even talking about the famous meteors that they show,
or the stars in the night sky. And the moon is always so big and
featureless. And "Karwa Chauth" moon is always full despite the fact
that it is a "chauth", so by definition it should be 4 days past full.
:-)
-Alok
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SP
> I was going through the Bad Astronomy website
> (http://www.badastronomy.com/), and it came to my mind to compile a list
> of "Bad Astronomy" in Indian movies: I know there would be many, so
> please contribute.
>
> Two examples come to my mind:
>
> - Aandhi: Sanjeev Kumar to the heroine: "Ye chand jo hai, ise raat mein
> dekhna, ye din mein nahin nikalta" (See the moon in the night, it
> doesn't come out during daytime).
haha
> - Yes Boss: Shahrukh and Juhi are walking on the beach, and the time is
> around 7.30pm. They see the full moon right overhead!
Is this not possible? what time and at what angle to the horizon does
the full moon appear?
cheers
-z9pardon my ignorance of astronomy )
Alok
> ganda...@rediffmail.com (Alok) wrote in message
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>> is around 7.30pm. They see the full moon right overhead!
>
> Is this not possible? what time and at what angle to the horizon does
> the full moon appear?
The full Moon is directly opposite from the Sun (the Earth is in between
the Moon and the Sun), therefore the full Moon rises at around the
sunset and sets at around the sunrise. Therefore, if full Moon is
overhead at all, it should be there at around midnight.
-Alok
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Ritu
> (http://www.badastronomy.com/), and it came to my mind to compile a list
> of "Bad Astronomy" in Indian movies: I know there would be many, so
> please contribute.
>
> Two examples come to my mind:
>
> - Aandhi: Sanjeev Kumar to the heroine: "Ye chand jo hai, ise raat mein
> dekhna, ye din mein nahin nikalta" (See the moon in the night, it
> doesn't come out during daytime).
> - Yes Boss: Shahrukh and Juhi are walking on the beach, and the time is
> around 7.30pm. They see the full moon right overhead!
>
> Of course I am not even talking about the famous meteors that they show,
> or the stars in the night sky. And the moon is always so big and
> featureless. And "Karwa Chauth" moon is always full despite the fact
> that it is a "chauth", so by definition it should be 4 days past full.
> :-)
Well one such instance comes to my mind... you'll have to forgive me
it's again a Dev Anand film..
The song 'Khoya Khoya chaand' from Kala Bazaar is actually shot in
broad daylight! They have lowered the brightness in the film and try
to pass it off for moonlight.. I guess it was a genuine case of 'Khoya
Khoya chaand' or the 'lost lost moon' (as Habshi would transalate it).
After all you really need to look hard to spot the moon in daylight
:-)
Cheers
Ritu
>
> -Alok
Alok
> ganda...@rediffmail.com (Alok) wrote in message news:<slrnacrfd5.2...@karma.astro.Virginia.EDU>...
>> I was going through the Bad Astronomy website
>> (http://www.badastronomy.com/), and it came to my mind to compile a list
>> of "Bad Astronomy" in Indian movies: I know there would be many, so
>> please contribute.
>
> it's again a Dev Anand film..
>
> The song 'Khoya Khoya chaand' from Kala Bazaar is actually shot in
> broad daylight! They have lowered the brightness in the film and try
> to pass it off for moonlight.. I guess it was a genuine case of 'Khoya
> Khoya chaand' or the 'lost lost moon' (as Habshi would transalate it).
> After all you really need to look hard to spot the moon in daylight
>:-)
Yes, but that must have been due to technical reasons. Shooting in the
moonlight would not have given enough light, time etc. Or am I missing
something?
-Alok
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Sydney Assbasket
>broad daylight! They have lowered the brightness in the film and try
>to pass it off for moonlight..
This is called "day for night," where they shoot in daylight, but underexpose
the film to simulate dusk or night. Sometimes this is pretty effective, but
other times it looks mediocre, such as when there are shadows. You can't cast
a shadow at night!
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Alok
Assbasket wrote:
>>The song 'Khoya Khoya chaand' from Kala Bazaar is actually shot in
>>broad daylight! They have lowered the brightness in the film and try
>>to pass it off for moonlight..
>
> This is called "day for night," where they shoot in daylight, but
> underexpose the film to simulate dusk or night. Sometimes this is
> pretty effective, but other times it looks mediocre, such as when
> there are shadows. You can't cast a shadow at night!
The moon does shine bright enough to cast shadows. Even a crescent moon.
-Alok
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swaraj
> In article <7dd3d51b.02042...@posting.google.com>, SP wrote:
> > ganda...@rediffmail.com (Alok) wrote in message
> > news:<slrnacrfd5.2...@karma.astro.Virginia.EDU>...
> >> - Yes Boss: Shahrukh and Juhi are walking on the beach, and the time
> >> is around 7.30pm. They see the full moon right overhead!
> >
> > Is this not possible? what time and at what angle to the horizon does
> > the full moon appear?
>
> The full Moon is directly opposite from the Sun (the Earth is in between
> the Moon and the Sun), therefore the full Moon rises at around the
> sunset and sets at around the sunrise. Therefore, if full Moon is
> overhead at all, it should be there at around midnight.
>
> -Alok
Are you sure about this Alok? Please correct me if I am wrong, but the
speed at which the earth rotates along its axis and the moon rotates
around the earth are different. Hence its not necessary that the view
of sun and moon from earth will always be opposite.
This is further explained by the factor that Lunar days are of
different length longer than the solar days. There are 29 days, 12
hours, 44 minutes and 3 seconds in a normal lunar month, where as
there are more than 30 days in a solar month. Which further elaborates
the fact that the sun and moon are not synchronised in their motions.
Thats why the moon rises and sets about 50 minutes later each day. If
thats the case.... yes, its possible that one fine evening the moon
will be overhead at 7.30 PM. But what puzzles me in this case is, the
moon won't be so clearly visible in a place like Mumbai at 7.30 PM as
the sun sets late in these parts of the country.
Taking my hypothesis further, if sun and moon were opposite to each
other all the time, we would never have solar eclipses, which are due
to the moon coming in between sun and the earth, which means its moon
overhead in the noon time!!!!
Regards
Swaraj
mamta.dhand
> Taking my hypothesis further, if sun and moon were opposite to each
> other all the time, we would never have solar eclipses, which are due
> to the moon coming in between sun and the earth, which means its moon
> overhead in the noon time!!!!
>
I do find it a little spooky when sometimes I can see the moon at 3 or 4 in
the afternoon in England.
Alok
>> The full Moon is directly opposite from the Sun (the Earth is in
>> between the Moon and the Sun), therefore the full Moon rises at
>> around the sunset and sets at around the sunrise. Therefore, if full
>> Moon is overhead at all, it should be there at around midnight.
>>
>> -Alok
>
> Are you sure about this Alok? Please correct me if I am wrong, but the
> speed at which the earth rotates along its axis and the moon rotates
> around the earth are different. Hence its not necessary that the view
> of sun and moon from earth will always be opposite.
>
> This is further explained by the factor that Lunar days are of
> different length longer than the solar days. There are 29 days, 12
> hours, 44 minutes and 3 seconds in a normal lunar month, where as
> there are more than 30 days in a solar month. Which further elaborates
> the fact that the sun and moon are not synchronised in their motions.
> Thats why the moon rises and sets about 50 minutes later each day. If
> thats the case.... yes, its possible that one fine evening the moon
> will be overhead at 7.30 PM. But what puzzles me in this case is, the
> moon won't be so clearly visible in a place like Mumbai at 7.30 PM as
> the sun sets late in these parts of the country.
>
> Taking my hypothesis further, if sun and moon were opposite to each
> other all the time, we would never have solar eclipses, which are due
> to the moon coming in between sun and the earth, which means its moon
> overhead in the noon time!!!!
<OT>
I think you misunderstood me: I said that the *full* Moon is directly
opposite from the Sun. Of course the Moon goes round the Earth (w.r.t to
the fixed stars, not the Sun) in 27.32 days, whereas a year is ~365.25
days.
You are correct of course in everything you say. It would be too bad if
there weren't any solar eclipses: I have seen one and that still is the
most beautiful sight I ever saw. :-)
I am not sure what you mean by "Lunar days are of different length
longer than the solar days" though.
http://www.astro.umd.edu/education/astro/moon/phases.html
http://www.scienceu.com/observatory/articles/phases/phases.html
Incidentally, (going completly OT), there is a nice "movie" (does that
make it somewhat topical? :-) ) at the bottom of the following page:
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/moon_phases.html
</OT>
-Alok
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The others escaped with minor injuries.
Ritu
> >The song 'Khoya Khoya chaand' from Kala Bazaar is actually shot in
> >broad daylight! They have lowered the brightness in the film and try
> >to pass it off for moonlight..
>
> This is called "day for night," where they shoot in daylight, but underexpose
> the film to simulate dusk or night. Sometimes this is pretty effective, but
> other times it looks mediocre, such as when there are shadows. You can't cast
> a shadow at night!
Yes in this case it's quite mediocre. I guess technology had not
advanced by then but a beautiful song like Khoya Khoya Chaand is
wasted in a picturisation like that. It's pretty obvious that they are
shooting in daylight. Nothing can convince you that it's moonlight.
Bad results. I would have reshot that song with a different
picturisation after seeing the results.
Ritu
Cricfan
>
> Yes in this case it's quite mediocre. I guess technology had not
> advanced by then but a beautiful song like Khoya Khoya Chaand is
> wasted in a picturisation like that. It's pretty obvious that they are
> shooting in daylight. Nothing can convince you that it's moonlight.
> Bad results. I would have reshot that song with a different
> picturisation after seeing the results.
>
> Ritu
>
They should used a bulb like they did with "Suhani Raat Dhal chuki" :-)
Cheers
Arun