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Mike Henley

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Nov 18, 2003, 2:30:57 AM11/18/03
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Okay, this isn't about writing or about comic strips, but i chose
those two newsgroups to post this to because i somehow made the
assumption that you guys are probably socially observant, and perhaps
somewhat smart (or smartass-ish even in a good way) to spot and get
annoyed by cliched speech.

What's the most annoying cliche that you hear often and just can't
stand hearing anymore... and perhaps what annoys you about it...

One for me is "the book was was better than the movie" ... do i need
to explain why!!! i guess it was okay at one point, but i just heard
it way too much that i can't stand it any longer... i think you know
the type of people i mean... those who go buy the book after they
watch a movie, or compulsively insist on reading the book before they
go watch the movie.. both with the same result; they end up saying the
cliche that annoys me the most...

Then there are also those who try to squeeze the word "segway" into
the conversational vernacular... one guy on TV the other day, i think
he was some sort of financial analyst or something... he said...
"shares of this company have segwayed from... (price point 1) to...
(price point 2) " ... and then within a few minutes he also used the
word "segway" yet again in a different context but i think it was
something like... "... a segway to profitability" or something like
that... oh isn't he so cool!

Ray Haddad

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Nov 18, 2003, 3:57:36 AM11/18/03
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On 17 Nov 2003 23:30:57 -0800, mnhe...@msn.com (Mike Henley) wrote:

>What's the most annoying cliche that you hear often and just can't
>stand hearing anymore... and perhaps what annoys you about it...

It's a case of deja-vu all over again.

Richard Hoskins

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Nov 18, 2003, 4:00:56 AM11/18/03
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Ray Haddad <rha...@iexpress.net.au> writes:

That's because you are not taking it one game at a time.

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Wendy Chatley Green

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Nov 18, 2003, 7:19:08 AM11/18/03
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For some inexplicable reasons, mnhe...@msn.com (Mike Henley) wrote:

:Okay, this isn't about writing or about comic strips, but i chose


:those two newsgroups to post this to because i somehow made the
:assumption that you guys are probably socially observant, and perhaps
:somewhat smart (or smartass-ish even in a good way) to spot and get
:annoyed by cliched speech.


On Usenet, the above is a cliche--every cross-poster uses a
variation on this theme.

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Wendy (now killfiling the thread and the poster)
Chatley Green -- wcg...@cris.com

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Rick Stromoski

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Nov 18, 2003, 7:22:01 AM11/18/03
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in article 6005702b.03111...@posting.google.com, Mike Henley at
mnhe...@msn.com wrote on 11/18/03 2:30 AM:


The misuse of the phrase "I could care less" when in actuality it should
be"I couldn't care less."

I also absolutely despise the phrase "What goes around, comes around."

Like nails on a chalkboard.....

Bobcat

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Nov 18, 2003, 7:48:22 AM11/18/03
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"Mike Henley" <mnhe...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Then there are also those who try to squeeze the word "segway" into
> the conversational vernacular... one guy on TV the other day, i think
> he was some sort of financial analyst or something... he said...
> "shares of this company have segwayed from... (price point 1) to...
> (price point 2) " ... and then within a few minutes he also used the
> word "segway" yet again in a different context but i think it was
> something like... "... a segway to profitability" or something like
> that... oh isn't he so cool!

Uh, do you mean "segue", the musical term? I believe Segway is the name of
those two wheeled scooter things that cost megabucks. However both examples
you give involve mobility, so perhaps that's what you did mean.


Mike Peterson

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Nov 18, 2003, 8:17:20 AM11/18/03
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"Bobcat" <bob_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You must be one of those annoying bastards who reads books.

Hell, I'll bet you even read books that HAVEN'T been made into movies. And
sometimes, accidentally, you read a book that later gets turned into a
movie.

Fine. But if you have any opinions on how well one art form can be adapted
into another, just keep them to yourself.

Literate sonofabitch.

Mike Peterson
Glens Falls NY

PS -- However, I do like the mental picture of somebody "segwaying" from one
thing to another ... maybe waving as they go by ... though "segway" and
"profitiability" probably don't belong in the same sentence. And, FWIW, I
learned the word "segue" as a film editing term.


myn...@yahoo.com

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Nov 18, 2003, 8:46:42 AM11/18/03
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Jym Dyer

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Nov 18, 2003, 9:09:00 AM11/18/03
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> "... a segway to profitability" or something like that...

=v= I thought Segway LLC was going bankrupt.

=v= Oh, you mean "segue," which is a horse of a different
color. But you can't make it drink.
<_Jym_>

Jym Dyer

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Nov 18, 2003, 9:10:00 AM11/18/03
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> The misuse of the phrase "I could care less" when in actuality
> it should be "I couldn't care less."

=v= One is more sarcastic than the other. There are two chances
that this will change in our lifetimes: slim and fat.
<_Jym_>

Dr Zen

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Nov 18, 2003, 9:30:00 AM11/18/03
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Richard Hoskins <r...@apk.net> wrote in message news:<m3ad6u1...@apk.net>...

> Ray Haddad <rha...@iexpress.net.au> writes:
>
> > On 17 Nov 2003 23:30:57 -0800, mnhe...@msn.com (Mike Henley) wrote:
> >
> >>What's the most annoying cliche that you hear often and just can't
> >>stand hearing anymore... and perhaps what annoys you about it...
> >
> > It's a case of deja-vu all over again.
>
> That's because you are not taking it one game at a time.

But at the end of the day he stepped up to the plate and took his best shot.

Zen

Mark Jackson

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Nov 18, 2003, 9:34:26 AM11/18/03
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<Dorothy Parker>
Horticulture.
</Dorothy Parker>

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Rob Wynne

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Nov 18, 2003, 9:52:06 AM11/18/03
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In rec.arts.comics.strips Rick Stromoski <soup...@cox.net> wrote:
>The misuse of the phrase "I could care less" when in actuality it should
>be"I couldn't care less."
>
>I also absolutely despise the phrase "What goes around, comes around."
>
>Like nails on a chalkboard.....
>

...these are the days of our lives.

-R

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Chris Clarke

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Nov 18, 2003, 10:14:49 AM11/18/03
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In article <6005702b.03111...@posting.google.com>,
mnhe...@msn.com (Mike Henley) wrote:

> What's the most annoying cliche that you hear often and just can't
> stand hearing anymore... and perhaps what annoys you about it...

People who don't know how to end a sentence really cheese me off...

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Mike Marshall

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Nov 18, 2003, 9:45:50 AM11/18/03
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Jym Dyer <j...@econet.org> writes:
>> "... a segway to profitability" or something like that...

Geez, I hope not. I rode one in October, and they're the coolest
things going.

-Mike

J Presley

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Nov 18, 2003, 11:08:46 AM11/18/03
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I try to avoid cliches like the plague.


Jim Strain

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Nov 18, 2003, 11:27:18 AM11/18/03
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mnhe...@msn.com (Mike Henley) wrote in part:
...

> What's the most annoying cliche that you hear often and just can't
> stand hearing anymore... and perhaps what annoys you about it...
> ...

When a product or service is billed as a "solution" instead of a
product or service. Makes me suspicious that the marketing folks
don't really understand what it is that they're selling.
. . . jim strain in san diego.

Joshua P. Hill

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Nov 18, 2003, 11:40:49 AM11/18/03
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On 17 Nov 2003 23:30:57 -0800, mnhe...@msn.com (Mike Henley) wrote:

>One for me is "the book was was better than the movie" ... do i need
>to explain why!!! i guess it was okay at one point, but i just heard
>it way too much that i can't stand it any longer... i think you know
>the type of people i mean... those who go buy the book after they
>watch a movie, or compulsively insist on reading the book before they
>go watch the movie.. both with the same result; they end up saying the
>cliche that annoys me the most...

That's not a cliche, I think, so much as it is a statement of a
commonplace truth: the books usually /are/ better than the movies. A
matter of statistics, I think -- those books that are movified are
typically the best of their kind, while the screenwriter and director
who adapt them are on average average. Too, the screenwriter has to
adapt something that was written in a large-scale format to a
small-scale one. The main exceptions seem to be the adaptations of a
few great auteurs and adaptations of run-of-the-mill books that are
particularly suited to spectacle, such as the Wizard of Oz.

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Karl S

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Nov 18, 2003, 11:56:15 AM11/18/03
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 07:22:01 -0500, Rick Stromoski <soup...@cox.net>
wrote:


>I also absolutely despise the phrase "What goes around, comes around."
>
>Like nails on a chalkboard.....

In addition to this, "anal retentive" also makes my list.

Michael Kieras

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Nov 18, 2003, 12:05:38 PM11/18/03
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Mike Peterson (pete...@nelliebly.org) wrote:
: And, FWIW, I

: learned the word "segue" as a film editing term.

Let me bring this back on topic for one group and point out that I
actually saw the word for the first time in the comics, at the end
of Bloom County's run ("Another day, another segue...").

So there. :-P

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''./_ (..) previous years, though. Must've been illiterate or
`~(__.<_.\/ or something.

ronniecat

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On 18 Nov 2003 12:05:38 -0500, mic...@janus.oit.umass.edu (Michael
Kieras) wrote a message which the Enigma Machine correctly deciphered
as:


>Mike Peterson (pete...@nelliebly.org) wrote:
>: And, FWIW, I
>: learned the word "segue" as a film editing term.
>
>Let me bring this back on topic for one group and point out that I
>actually saw the word for the first time in the comics, at the end
>of Bloom County's run ("Another day, another segue...").

I remember reading it either before I'd heard it, or before I'd
connected it with the spoken word, and thinking, "How the hell do you
pronounce that? Seegooey?" It was ages before I connected the two, and
it was in the context of working in amateur film.

I also remember reading Alice in Wonderland as a very little girl and
during the courtroom scene reading "deny" in my head as "denny". So it
went

"I denny it!" said the March Hare.

"He dennies it," said the King: "leave out that part."

Didn't make a bit of sense to me. I knew the word "deny" but didn't
connect it with that spelling.

Finally, a favourite story about kids and reading and spelling. A
childhood friend thought the phrase "this evening" was "the
seev-ning". As in, "I'll see you the seev-ning". She tried writing
this down at about seven or so and was completely baffled - she tried
"the sevening" but she knew the word "seven" and that would be "the
seven-ing", so that didn't make sense. Baffled her for ages and when
she realized it was THIS evening it was a real "ooooooooooohhhh!"
moment for her.

ronnie--

Homer: But Marge, I don't like Japanese things.
Marge: You liked Rashomon.
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Ultraviolet

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Nov 18, 2003, 1:02:25 PM11/18/03
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gol...@hotmail.com (Dr Zen) wrote in
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And it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.


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rebecca sprang

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Nov 18, 2003, 1:39:28 PM11/18/03
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Ultraviolet wrote:

>gol...@hotmail.com (Dr Zen) wrote in
>news:5e7da04d.03111...@posting.google.com:
>
>
>
>>Richard Hoskins <r...@apk.net> wrote in message
>>news:<m3ad6u1...@apk.net>...
>>
>>
>>>Ray Haddad <rha...@iexpress.net.au> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 17 Nov 2003 23:30:57 -0800, mnhe...@msn.com (Mike Henley)
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>What's the most annoying cliche that you hear often and just can't
>>>>>stand hearing anymore... and perhaps what annoys you about it...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>It's a case of deja-vu all over again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>That's because you are not taking it one game at a time.
>>>
>>>
>>But at the end of the day he stepped up to the plate and took his best
>>shot.
>>
>>
>
>
>And it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.
>
>
>
>
>
>

You can't win if you don't play.

Rebecca

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Bobcat

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Nov 18, 2003, 1:30:06 PM11/18/03
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"Ultraviolet" <paula...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> gol...@hotmail.com (Dr Zen) wrote in
> news:5e7da04d.03111...@posting.google.com:
>
> > Richard Hoskins <r...@apk.net> wrote in message
> > news:<m3ad6u1...@apk.net>...
> >> Ray Haddad <rha...@iexpress.net.au> writes:
> >>
> >> > On 17 Nov 2003 23:30:57 -0800, mnhe...@msn.com (Mike Henley)
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>What's the most annoying cliche that you hear often and just can't
> >> >>stand hearing anymore... and perhaps what annoys you about it...
> >> >
> >> > It's a case of deja-vu all over again.
> >>
> >> That's because you are not taking it one game at a time.
> >
> > But at the end of the day he stepped up to the plate and took his best
> > shot.
>
>
> And it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.

Win, lose or draw, for good sports it's always a good game.


Towse

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Nov 18, 2003, 2:03:21 PM11/18/03
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rebecca sprang wrote:

> Ultraviolet wrote:
>
>> gol...@hotmail.com (Dr Zen) wrote in
>> news:5e7da04d.03111...@posting.google.com:

>>> Richard Hoskins <r...@apk.net> wrote in message
>>> news:<m3ad6u1...@apk.net>...
>>>
>>>> Ray Haddad <rha...@iexpress.net.au> writes:

>>>>> On 17 Nov 2003 23:30:57 -0800, mnhe...@msn.com (Mike Henley)
>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>> What's the most annoying cliche that you hear often and just can't
>>>>>> stand hearing anymore... and perhaps what annoys you about it...

>>>>> It's a case of deja-vu all over again.

>>>> That's because you are not taking it one game at a time.

>>> But at the end of the day he stepped up to the plate and took his best
>>> shot.

>> And it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.

> You can't win if you don't play.

You miss 100% of the shots you never take.

--
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terminally curious <http://www.internet-resources.com/writers>

lynn

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Nov 18, 2003, 1:56:55 PM11/18/03
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In article <v7lkrv0o91qukrr0c...@4ax.com>,
ronniecat <ronn...@mycollar.ronniecat.com> wrote:

> Finally, a favourite story about kids and reading and spelling. A
> childhood friend thought the phrase "this evening" was "the
> seev-ning". As in, "I'll see you the seev-ning". She tried writing
> this down at about seven or so and was completely baffled - she tried
> "the sevening" but she knew the word "seven" and that would be "the
> seven-ing", so that didn't make sense. Baffled her for ages and when
> she realized it was THIS evening it was a real "ooooooooooohhhh!"
> moment for her.

I had the exact same thing happen to me as a child when I tried to write
"youstu." As in, "I youstu hate mustard but now I like it." I spent a
long time trying to puzzle it out, and it wasn't till the next day I
realized it was spelled "used to!"

- Lynn

Beefies

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Nov 18, 2003, 2:46:05 PM11/18/03
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I was in my mid-30s before I figured out that the southern California cities
of La Jolla and "La Hoya" were the same place. And I took Spanish in school.

But maybe I shouldn't admit that.

Beefies

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Nov 18, 2003, 2:48:18 PM11/18/03
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I hope he gave 110 percent.

ronniecat

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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:39:28 -0600, rebecca sprang <gi...@kc.rr.com>

wrote a message which the Enigma Machine correctly deciphered as:

>Ultraviolet wrote:
>
>>gol...@hotmail.com (Dr Zen) wrote in
>>news:5e7da04d.03111...@posting.google.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Richard Hoskins <r...@apk.net> wrote in message
>>>news:<m3ad6u1...@apk.net>...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ray Haddad <rha...@iexpress.net.au> writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On 17 Nov 2003 23:30:57 -0800, mnhe...@msn.com (Mike Henley)
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>What's the most annoying cliche that you hear often and just can't
>>>>>>stand hearing anymore... and perhaps what annoys you about it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>It's a case of deja-vu all over again.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>That's because you are not taking it one game at a time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>But at the end of the day he stepped up to the plate and took his best
>>>shot.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>And it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>You can't win if you don't play.
>

And these guys came here today to play, Ken!

--

William Penrose

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Nov 18, 2003, 3:07:49 PM11/18/03
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Jym Dyer <j...@econet.org> wrote in message news:<Jym.wzzne...@econet.org>...

You can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think.

Bill Penrose

Richard Hoskins

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Nov 18, 2003, 3:12:43 PM11/18/03
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ronniecat <ronn...@mycollar.ronniecat.com> writes:

> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:39:28 -0600, rebecca sprang <gi...@kc.rr.com>
> wrote a message which the Enigma Machine correctly deciphered as:
>
>>Ultraviolet wrote:
>>
>>>gol...@hotmail.com (Dr Zen) wrote in
>>>news:5e7da04d.03111...@posting.google.com:

>>>>Richard Hoskins <r...@apk.net> wrote:


>>>>>Ray Haddad <rha...@iexpress.net.au> writes:
>>>>>>mnhe...@msn.com (Mike Henley) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What's the most annoying cliche that you hear often and just can't
>>>>>>>stand hearing anymore... and perhaps what annoys you about it...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's a case of deja-vu all over again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>That's because you are not taking it one game at a time.
>>>>>
>>>>But at the end of the day he stepped up to the plate and took his best
>>>>shot.
>>>And it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.
>>
>>You can't win if you don't play.
>
> And these guys came here today to play, Ken!

Let's just hope they give it 110%.

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--Bucky Katt

Rob Wynne

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Nov 18, 2003, 3:46:26 PM11/18/03
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In rec.arts.comics.strips rebecca sprang <gi...@kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>What's the most annoying cliche that you hear often and just can't
>>>>>>stand hearing anymore... and perhaps what annoys you about it...
>>>>>It's a case of deja-vu all over again.
>>>>That's because you are not taking it one game at a time.
>>>But at the end of the day he stepped up to the plate and took his best
>>>shot.
>>And it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.
>You can't win if you don't play.
>

No purchase necessary to win.

Thomas & Karen Mitchell

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Nov 18, 2003, 3:45:25 PM11/18/03
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"Retarded" to mean unappealing in any way - like "gay", as previously
noted on this thread.

I have a daughter who is retarded, so it hurts every time I hear it.

She isn't gay, though -- not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Mike Henley

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Nov 18, 2003, 4:25:49 PM11/18/03
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Chris Clarke <ccl...@faultline.org> wrote in message news:<cclarke-0EB189...@news-west.giganews.com>...

> In article <6005702b.03111...@posting.google.com>,
> mnhe...@msn.com (Mike Henley) wrote:
>
> > What's the most annoying cliche that you hear often and just can't
> > stand hearing anymore... and perhaps what annoys you about it...
>
> People who don't know how to end a sentence really cheese me off...

haha... you are a smartass-ish lot, indeed...

Hail Strom

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Nov 18, 2003, 4:29:58 PM11/18/03
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Mike Henley wrote:
>
> Then there are also those who try to squeeze the word "segway" into
> the conversational vernacular... one guy on TV the other day, i think
> he was some sort of financial analyst or something... he said...
> "shares of this company have segwayed from... (price point 1) to...
> (price point 2) " ... and then within a few minutes he also used the
> word "segway" yet again in a different context but i think it was
> something like... "... a segway to profitability" or something like
> that... oh isn't he so cool!

I hadn't realized the Segways had gotten enough popular cred to become
part of the language! And funny how the Segway sounds like the word
"segue". I wonder if the manufacturer realizes that? ;)

Jackson Pillock

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Nov 18, 2003, 7:11:30 PM11/18/03
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"J Presley" <presEL...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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: I try to avoid cliches like the plague.

We'll have to agree to differ then. From where I'm sitting, the plague is
fresh and exciting.

--
Jackson
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:


Jackson Pillock

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: "Ultraviolet" <paula...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

of two halves.

:
:


Sherwood Harrington

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Nov 18, 2003, 7:18:16 PM11/18/03
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Mike Henley (mnhe...@msn.com) wrote:

: What's the most annoying cliche that you hear often and just can't
: stand hearing anymore... and perhaps what annoys you about it...

Having given this some thought, at the end of the day "24/7" is
probably my main current teeth-grinder.

Actually, *all* of the trendoid hackneyisms in "meeting bingo" try my
patience. If you haven't seen meeting bingo yet, check it out at:

http://www.lotsofjokes.com/cat_368.htm

--
Sherwood Harrington
who also gets cheesed off by ellipsis abuse, but since one can't
actually *hear* ellipses, I suppose they're out of bounds for
curmdge-ing here. To verb a noun.

Mike Peterson

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Nov 18, 2003, 7:27:49 PM11/18/03
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"Sherwood Harrington" <sher...@rahul.net> wrote in message
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>
> Having given this some thought, at the end of the day "24/7" is
> probably my main current teeth-grinder.
>

How do you feel about it at, say, 2 pm? Does it bother you then?

At the end of the day, the thing I hate to hear is "Oh, one more thing ... "

At the beginning of the day, the thing I hate to hear is Sonny and Cher
singing "I Got You Babe." (Though the book was better)

Mike Peterson
Glens Falls NY


Sherwood Harrington

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Mike Peterson (pete...@nelliebly.org) wrote:

: "Sherwood Harrington" <sher...@rahul.net> wrote in message


: news:bpecs8$fh6$1...@blue.rahul.net...
: >
: > Having given this some thought, at the end of the day "24/7" is
: > probably my main current teeth-grinder.
: >

: How do you feel about it at, say, 2 pm? Does it bother you then?

As Foster Brooks could have told you, young 'un, it's always the end
of the day somewhere.

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whose favorite tv weather person's last name is Hackney. Really.

Mike Peterson

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"Sherwood Harrington" <sher...@rahul.net> wrote in message
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> Mike Peterson (pete...@nelliebly.org) wrote:
>
> : "Sherwood Harrington" <sher...@rahul.net> wrote in message
> : news:bpecs8$fh6$1...@blue.rahul.net...
> : >
> : > Having given this some thought, at the end of the day "24/7" is
> : > probably my main current teeth-grinder.
> : >
>
> : How do you feel about it at, say, 2 pm? Does it bother you then?
>
> As Foster Brooks could have told you, young 'un, it's always the end
> of the day somewhere.
>
At the end of the day, you get nothing for nothing ...


Gene Royer

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"Jackson Pillock" <Jac...@splatter.com> wrote in message
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> :
> : Win, lose or draw, for good sports it's always a good game
>
> of two halves.


'less it's Hockey--which has three halves.

--Gene Royer


Looney

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"Gene Royer" <sir...@Ev1.net> wrote in message
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But do they make a hole?

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Mike Henley

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Nov 18, 2003, 8:49:13 PM11/18/03
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Joshua P. Hill <josh442R...@snet.net> wrote in message news:<0bbkrvgk6a1cjtisr...@4ax.com>...

> On 17 Nov 2003 23:30:57 -0800, mnhe...@msn.com (Mike Henley) wrote:
>

> That's not a cliche, I think, so much as it is a statement of a
> commonplace truth: the books usually /are/ better than the movies. A
> matter of statistics, I think -- those books that are movified are
> typically the best of their kind, while the screenwriter and director
> who adapt them are on average average. Too, the screenwriter has to
> adapt something that was written in a large-scale format to a
> small-scale one. The main exceptions seem to be the adaptations of a
> few great auteurs and adaptations of run-of-the-mill books that are
> particularly suited to spectacle, such as the Wizard of Oz.

i'll add stanley kubrick's masterpiece of "the shining" as one of
those movies that were better than the book, in my opinion; those
people who think the recent cheap remake of the shining as a
made-for-TV movie was better than the kubrick's version because it was
"true to the book" annoy me beyond belief.

Joshua P. Hill

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Nov 18, 2003, 9:19:18 PM11/18/03
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I thought of the Shining too, though since I couldn't get through the
book (King has that effect on me -- I find his longer pieces
soporific) I can't make that comparison.

I saw the beginning of that TV movie too -- before giving up on it and
turning it off. It has some value, I think, as an excellent
illustration of the difference between mastery and hackwork . . .

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Elisabeth Riba

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In rec.arts.comics.strips ronniecat <ronn...@mycollar.ronniecat.com> wrote:
> I remember reading it either before I'd heard it, or before I'd
> connected it with the spoken word, and thinking, "How the hell do you
> pronounce that? Seegooey?" It was ages before I connected the two, and
> it was in the context of working in amateur film.

Similar things happened to me growing up with words like armoire and
demesne. [I was probably in late HS before I realized that the word I read
"armoire" and my father's "armwa" were the same thing.]
My husband had problems with choir, epitome and bourgiouse.
And everybody jokes about hors d'oeuvres.

It's a sign of being a heavy reader as a child, that for certain words
(usually relatively rare ones, so they're not covered in spelling lessons)
you learn the written version independently of the aural version and don't
put the two of them together until much later.

[I was reading a portion of Al Franken's _Lies_ aloud when it came out,
anad realized that I didn't know how to pronounce miscegenation, I'd only
ever seen it written. Upon consideration, I thought that boded well.]

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Bob Pastorio

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William Penrose wrote:

Of course. It's not rocket surgery, you know.

Pastorio

shiraz

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>
> > : How do you feel about it at, say, 2 pm? Does it bother you then?
> >
> > As Foster Brooks could have told you, young 'un, it's always the end
> > of the day somewhere.
> >
> At the end of the day, you get nothing for nothing ...

that's because everything has its price


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Nov 18, 2003, 10:53:55 PM11/18/03
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Sherwood Harrington <sher...@rahul.net> writes:
> Mike Henley (mnhe...@msn.com) wrote:
>
> : What's the most annoying cliche that you hear often and just can't
> : stand hearing anymore... and perhaps what annoys you about it...
>
> Having given this some thought, at the end of the day "24/7" is
> probably my main current teeth-grinder.
>
> Actually, *all* of the trendoid hackneyisms in "meeting bingo" try my
> patience.

It helps to approach meetings with the right attitude. As Wally once
said to Dilbert, "There's a fine line between participation and
mockery."

--
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I was going for a fair dose of irony and satire, and what
could be better than using Powerpoint and a projector?
- David Byrne


Doug Wyman

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Nov 18, 2003, 11:49:25 PM11/18/03
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hub...@hubcap.clemson.edu (Mike Marshall) posted:

>Jym Dyer <j...@econet.org> writes:
>>> "... a segway to profitability" or something like that...
>

>Geez, I hope not. I rode one in October, and they're the coolest
>things going.
>
I heard they recalled them all 'cause, they seem
to have a nasty habit of face planting the rider
when the battery suddenly goes dead.

Daddy Doug

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Jym Dyer

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> I had the exact same thing happen to me as a child when
> I tried to write "youstu."

=v= At the risk of getting back on-topic for r.a.c.s. ... :^)

=v= I started reading early, and I remember that I knew how to
spell the word "thought." But I didn't know "though." There
was a _Peanuts_ strip in one of my paperbacks that used the
word "though" and I thought it was an abbreviation for "thought."
In fact, I thought it meant the word balloon was a thought
balloon.

=v= Until I was disabused of this idea, though, the comic strip
didn't make any sense.
<_Jym_>

ronniecat

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On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 01:14:21 GMT, "Looney"
<ant...@thetooheyshatespam.com> wrote a message which the Enigma
Machine correctly deciphered as:

>

>"Gene Royer" <sir...@Ev1.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Jackson Pillock" <Jac...@splatter.com> wrote in message
>> news:bpecgo$62m$1...@titan.btinternet.com...
>> > :
>> > : Win, lose or draw, for good sports it's always a good game
>> >
>> > of two halves.
>>
>>
>> 'less it's Hockey--which has three halves.
>
>But do they make a hole?

Depends on how hard they fall.

ronnie
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Bobcat

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"Mike Henley" <mnhe...@msn.com> wrote in message
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Stephen King may have disliked the recent remake, but he'd agree with anyone
attempting a version that was "true to the book". Apparently he thought
Kubrick virtually ignored a main theme of "The Shining" - the deterioration
of the unity of a family. Instead, Kubrick zeroed in on the growing insanity
of Jack Torrance the father. Personally I can fully understand why. If I had
the prospect of Jack Nicholson doing one of the scariest and most arresting
performances ever filmed for my cameras I'd do exactly the same. IMO if
there's one director who approaches genius, it's Stanley Kubrick.


ronniecat

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On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 00:18:16 +0000 (UTC), Sherwood Harrington
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correctly deciphered as:

>Having given this some thought, at the end of the day "24/7" is


>probably my main current teeth-grinder.

I was going home from a concert in Toronto at around 1 am and stopped
by a corner store with a big sign in the window saying "We're Open 24
Hours!" It was, of course, closed.

I was reminded of - was it a grocer in a cartoon? or was it Apu in the
Simpsons? saying "Well I didn't say they were *in a row*."

ronnie
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Chris Clarke

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Nov 19, 2003, 10:08:02 AM11/19/03
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In article <ghvmrv4oftie1i44c...@4ax.com>,
ronniecat <ronn...@mycollar.ronniecat.com> wrote:

> I was reminded of - was it a grocer in a cartoon? or was it Apu in the
> Simpsons? saying "Well I didn't say they were *in a row*."

Steven Wright.

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Ted Kerin

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Nov 19, 2003, 11:42:25 AM11/19/03
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I thought there were other thematic problems with the Nicholson movie,
including the fact that the Scatman character gets wasted immediately after
arriving at the hotel, so that his clairvoyant powers, and the character
himself, are rendered irrelevant. In the book, he makes a difference.

I remember reading a Stephen King quote (years ago, so maybe he's getting
fussier lately), where he claimed to be philosophically immune to anything
that a moviemaker did with his books. "Once you sell it to them, you have to
understand that the movie is theirs, not yours."


Michael Sears

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Nov 19, 2003, 12:34:02 PM11/19/03
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Ted Kerin wrote:
> I thought there were other thematic problems with the Nicholson movie,
> including the fact that the Scatman character gets wasted immediately after
> arriving at the hotel, so that his clairvoyant powers, and the character
> himself, are rendered irrelevant. In the book, he makes a difference.
>
>

Kubrick has stated that he did that deliberately to throw the audience
off balance. Scatman senses what's happening, you think "hero". He makes
his way to the hotel, you think "hero". He bursts onto the scene
intending to save the day, you think "hero". He immediately gets killed,
you think "oh crap".

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Karl S

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Nov 19, 2003, 12:47:20 PM11/19/03
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On 19 Nov 2003 05:35:10 -0800, Jym Dyer <j...@econet.org> wrote:

>> In addition to this, "anal retentive" also makes my list.
>
>=v= Shouldn't that be spelled with a hyphen?
> <_Jym_>

I think you're right. I've never typed it before, so it's not in my
spell checker. Or is that supposed to be spell-checker?

Karl

ronniecat

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On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 07:08:02 -0800, Chris Clarke
<ccl...@faultline.org> wrote a message which the Enigma Machine
correctly deciphered as:

>In article <ghvmrv4oftie1i44c...@4ax.com>,
> ronniecat <ronn...@mycollar.ronniecat.com> wrote:
>
>> I was reminded of - was it a grocer in a cartoon? or was it Apu in the
>> Simpsons? saying "Well I didn't say they were *in a row*."
>
>Steven Wright.

Aah. Ronnie Wrong.

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Ted Kerin

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Heh, well thanks for Kubrick's side of it. I liked the movie quite a bit,
although some of the advance "greatest horror movie ever made" hype was more
hyped than usual.


Mike Peterson

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Nov 19, 2003, 1:49:18 PM11/19/03
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"Ted Kerin" <tf.k...@gte.net> wrote in message
news:bpgak...@enews4.newsguy.com...

Joseph Heller, on Mike Nichols' adaptation of "Catch-22" (from "Audience"
magazine, July/Aug 1972)

"For me, turning Catch-22 into a film was quite easy since I had nothing to
do with it. I solved the problem very quickly back in 1962 by stepping out.
I really didn't give a damn what happened to it once I sold it to Columbia
Pictures and the first check cleared.

"That may sound surprising and even corrupt, but I don't really think there
are so many good movies made that I could have realistically expected a good
one to be made out of my book. So I didn't care if they never made it at
all, or if they put the Three Stooges in it."

(but farther along in the interview ... )

"I found it stunning, surprising and overpowering, and when it was over, I
took Mike by the arm and said, 'As far as I'm concerned, it may be one of
the best movies I've ever seen.' I meant it and he knew it and we were very
pleased with each other and ourselves."

Rob Wynne

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Nov 19, 2003, 2:30:28 PM11/19/03
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In rec.arts.comics.strips Ted Kerin <tf.k...@gte.net> wrote:
>I remember reading a Stephen King quote (years ago, so maybe he's getting
>fussier lately), where he claimed to be philosophically immune to anything
>that a moviemaker did with his books. "Once you sell it to them, you have to
>understand that the movie is theirs, not yours."
>

My favourite interview about movies made from one's work was from
British comics author Alan Moore, who wrote the comics that the movies
"From Hell" and "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" were based on.

When asked what he thought of the movies that had been made based on his
work, he replied, "I dunno, I've never seen them."

The interview pressed him, asking "Doesn't it bother you that they
changed you work so drastically?" He said, "They didn't change my work.
My work is all up there, just like always", waving towards his
bookshelf.

-R

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Bobcat

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Nov 19, 2003, 3:22:34 PM11/19/03
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"Mike Peterson" <pete...@nelliebly.org> wrote in message
news:OWOub.2333$_i1.1...@news2.news.adelphia.net...

And here's Tom Wolfe, on the disastrous movie based on his book "the Bonfire
of the Vanities" which was burned and sacked by director Brian de Palma
despite a stellar (if miscast) cast including Tom Hanks and Morgan Freeman:
"I think it's bad manners in the Southern sense to be sharp and critical of
it. I did cash the check." Wolfe made it clear that he wanted nothing to do
with the film after he accepted the $750,000 for the rights to his book: "To
tell the truth, I've never wanted to write any script based on something
I've done. From my standpoint it's too bad that movies don't run nine or ten
hours. The way I constructed the book, almost every chapter was meant to be
a vignette of something else in New York as well as something that might
advance the story, and to me one was as important as the other. It's a
fairly simple story...but I wanted there to be all these slices, one after
another. Not that I gave very much thought to how the movie could be made -
but I never could see how you could do that."


Joshua P. Hill

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Nov 19, 2003, 3:39:37 PM11/19/03
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:03:42 -0500, "Bobcat" <bob_...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Anyway, it seems to me that Kubrick captured the deterioration of the
family very well. In fact, it seemed to me the main theme of the
movie, and I hadn't read the book.

Belphoebe

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Nov 19, 2003, 4:02:47 PM11/19/03
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Mike Henley wrote:

> Then there are also those who try to squeeze the word "segway" into
> the conversational vernacular... one guy on TV the other day, i think
> he was some sort of financial analyst or something... he said...
> "shares of this company have segwayed from... (price point 1) to...
> (price point 2) " ... and then within a few minutes he also used the
> word "segway" yet again in a different context but i think it was
> something like... "... a segway to profitability" or something like
> that... oh isn't he so cool!

A couple that bother me are newscaster clichés. Whenever a newscaster
reports on a fire, s/he says, for example, "There was a fire at 331 Main St.
this afternoon." Then, "it took firemen thirty-five minutes to control the
blaze." I hate when a fire is referred to as a "blaze." At the opposite
end of the spectrum is when newscasters refer to snow as "the white stuff."
Erg. :)

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Mike Marshall

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Nov 19, 2003, 4:35:42 PM11/19/03
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I caught myself today saying "no use crying over spilled milk"... and
I thought of this thread. Shoot, now I'm going to be self-conscious!

-Mike

Michael Kieras

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Nov 19, 2003, 6:04:48 PM11/19/03
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Karl S (karlsch@-s-p-a-m-ak.net) wrote:

Actually it's "spelling checker," unless you're talking about using magic.

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Nov 19, 2003, 6:25:49 PM11/19/03
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Michael Kieras (mic...@janus.oit.umass.edu) wrote:

Blocking it, actually.

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Mike Peterson

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Nov 19, 2003, 6:38:56 PM11/19/03
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"Joshua P. Hill" <josh442R...@snet.net> wrote in message
news:t6lnrvc9l6akc42t1...@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:03:42 -0500, "Bobcat" <bob_...@hotmail.com>
>
> Anyway, it seems to me that Kubrick captured the deterioration of the
> family very well. In fact, it seemed to me the main theme of the
> movie, and I hadn't read the book.
>
Then how could you possibly ....

... oh, never mind.

Alan Hope

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Nov 19, 2003, 6:56:08 PM11/19/03
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Gene Royer goes:

[snip]

Fucksake. If Royer can rise from the dead, I think it's time for
Michael Schiavo to reconsider his position.


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Michael Kieras

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Nov 19, 2003, 7:51:33 PM11/19/03
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Sherwood Harrington (sher...@rahul.net) wrote:

You're right. My bad.

(And how's my latter sentence for an annoying cliche?)

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Nov 19, 2003, 8:54:27 PM11/19/03
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"Alan Hope" <ah...@skynet.be> wrote in message
news:5k0orvkuksk001tsr...@4ax.com...

> Gene Royer goes:
>
> [snip]
>
> Fucksake. If Royer can rise from the dead, I think it's time for
> Michael Schiavo to reconsider his position.
>
>
> --
> AH


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Mike Henley

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Nov 19, 2003, 9:38:40 PM11/19/03
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"Ted Kerin" <tf.k...@gte.net> wrote in message news:<bpgak...@enews4.newsguy.com>...
> Heh, well thanks for Kubrick's side of it. I liked the movie quite a bit,
> although some of the advance "greatest horror movie ever made" hype was more
> hyped than usual.

it's not necessarily a horror movie but it's for sure a great art
movie

see this for example, i doubt regular horror directors put as much art
into something like this; the shining is filled with art in scene
after scene
"Danny is beckoned by two Jacks, the one on the bed and the one in the
mirror."
http://www.drummerman.net/shining/mirrorjacks.gif

i highly recommend reading the following
http://www.drummerman.net/shining/duality.html

Mike Henley

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Nov 19, 2003, 10:06:09 PM11/19/03
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Joshua P. Hill <josh442R...@snet.net> wrote in message news:<t6lnrvc9l6akc42t1...@4ax.com>...

> Anyway, it seems to me that Kubrick captured the deterioration of the
> family very well. In fact, it seemed to me the main theme of the
> movie, and I hadn't read the book.

well, depends on what you mean by "family"...
http://www.drummerman.net/shining/essays.html

Mike Henley

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Nov 19, 2003, 10:12:17 PM11/19/03
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"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote in message news:<XTQub.36976$hB5....@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>...

> Mike Henley wrote:
>
> A couple that bother me are newscaster clichés. Whenever a newscaster
> reports on a fire, s/he says, for example, "There was a fire at 331 Main St.
> this afternoon." Then, "it took firemen thirty-five minutes to control the
> blaze." I hate when a fire is referred to as a "blaze." At the opposite
> end of the spectrum is when newscasters refer to snow as "the white stuff."
> Erg. :)

haha.. yes! "the blaze"; now that you mention it, it's true, they do that!

Mike Henley

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Nov 19, 2003, 10:19:08 PM11/19/03
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"Ted Kerin" <tf.k...@gte.net> wrote in message news:<bpg6n...@enews1.newsguy.com>...

if stephen king actually complained about the kubrick's version
because kubrick made some changes to the shining and didn't stick a
100% to the book then i really think that's outrageously arrogant of
him to expect total submission from a master fimlmaker, an artistic
genius like kubrick

Mike Beede

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Nov 19, 2003, 11:06:59 PM11/19/03
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In article <6005702b.03111...@posting.google.com>, Mike Henley <mnhe...@msn.com> wrote:

> What's the most annoying cliche that you hear often and just can't
> stand hearing anymore... and perhaps what annoys you about it...

I hate that Yuppie scooter thing, however it's spelled

Oh yeah, and "impact" as a verb.

Mike Beede

ronniecat

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Nov 20, 2003, 12:16:54 AM11/20/03
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"Joshua P. Hill" <josh442R...@snet.net> wrote in message
news:t6lnrvc9l6akc42t1...@4ax.com...

> Anyway, it seems to me that Kubrick captured the deterioration of the
> family very well. In fact, it seemed to me the main theme of the
> movie, and I hadn't read the book.

Speaking of Kubrick, if you get the chance to see "Dark Side of the Moon", a
documentary asserting that a backup "just in case" film of the first steps
on the moon was secretly made by Stanley Kubrick for the government, DO NOT
pass it up. It was on a documentary series here last Sunday night, and it is
_must-see_ viewing for anyone interested in space. I mean, *must-see*.

ronnie


Alan Hope

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Nov 20, 2003, 8:29:44 AM11/20/03
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Gene Royer goes:

>"Alan Hope" <ah...@skynet.be> wrote in message
>news:5k0orvkuksk001tsr...@4ax.com...
>> Gene Royer goes:

>> [snip]

>> Fucksake. If Royer can rise from the dead, I think it's time for
>> Michael Schiavo to reconsider his position.

>Two miracles in one day. I come back for a visit and you post something


>original (see Comedy genius)--albeit silly.

Well, I promise not to make a habit of my surprise if you won't make a
habit of yours.

ronniecat

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Nov 20, 2003, 8:54:26 AM11/20/03
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On 19 Nov 2003 19:12:17 -0800, mnhe...@msn.com (Mike Henley) wrote a

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Did you ever notice buses never "fall", "drive", "roll", "plummet",
"soar", "drop", or "dive" over a cliff?

Plunge. They always, *always* plunge.

Speaking of annoying newscast conventions, dontcha hate it when the
weather guy and the anchor get into this lame little patter pretending
the weather guy is actually responsible for the weather?

Don: "So, you're going to make sure there's no rain for the big game
on Friday, Ken?"
Weatherman Ken: "I'll do my best, Don, but there is a large
low-pressure system heading towards us from the west."
Barbie: "Oh, Ken, you'll be the most unpopular guy in town if the big
game is rained out!!"
Weatherman Ken: "Don't I know it, Barbie."

Ugh.

ronnie

Bobcat

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"Michael Kieras" <mic...@janus.oit.umass.edu> wrote in message
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It takes the cake. How's THAT sentence?


Joshua P. Hill

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Nov 20, 2003, 10:23:27 AM11/20/03
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Proof, I think, that some people shouldn't try to think.

Joshua P. Hill

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Nov 20, 2003, 10:24:47 AM11/20/03
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:16:54 GMT, "ronniecat"
<ronn...@mycollar.ronniecat.com> wrote:

>
>"Joshua P. Hill" <josh442R...@snet.net> wrote in message
>news:t6lnrvc9l6akc42t1...@4ax.com...
>
>> Anyway, it seems to me that Kubrick captured the deterioration of the
>> family very well. In fact, it seemed to me the main theme of the
>> movie, and I hadn't read the book.
>
>Speaking of Kubrick, if you get the chance to see "Dark Side of the Moon", a
>documentary asserting that a backup "just in case" film of the first steps
>on the moon was secretly made by Stanley Kubrick for the government

?

Was he there at the time?

>, DO NOT
>pass it up. It was on a documentary series here last Sunday night, and it is
>_must-see_ viewing for anyone interested in space. I mean, *must-see*.
>
>ronnie

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Belphoebe

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Nov 20, 2003, 11:24:25 AM11/20/03
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Jym Dyer wrote:
>> In addition to this, "anal retentive" also makes my list.
>
> =v= Shouldn't that be spelled with a hyphen?
> <_Jym_>

An anal-retentive guy was afraid that asking about using a hyphen would make
him seem anal retentive. ;)

The answer: it depends.

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Belphoebe


Belphoebe

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Nov 20, 2003, 11:32:14 AM11/20/03
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ronniecat wrote:
> Speaking of annoying newscast conventions, dontcha hate it when the
> weather guy and the anchor get into this lame little patter pretending
> the weather guy is actually responsible for the weather?

Heh. Yup. One of our local anchors is already threatening the
meteorologist with the usual "Don't even think about mentioning the word
'snow.'" Maybe he should respond, "Okay, I'll just use your favorite
euphemism: 'white stuff.'"

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Belphoebe


Looney

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Nov 20, 2003, 11:36:33 AM11/20/03
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"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote in message
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Bad idea. The guy might forget himself and break out the mirror and razor
blade...

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Looney
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http://looneytoohey.blogspot.com/


ronniecat

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Nov 20, 2003, 11:42:00 AM11/20/03
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:24:47 -0500, Joshua P. Hill
<josh442R...@snet.net> wrote a message which the Enigma Machine
correctly deciphered as:

>>Speaking of Kubrick, if you get the chance to see "Dark Side of the Moon", a
>>documentary asserting that a backup "just in case" film of the first steps
>>on the moon was secretly made by Stanley Kubrick for the government
>
>?
>
>Was he there at the time?

If you get a chance to see it, don't pass it up. That's all I'm
saying.

mr. ronniecat and I thought we were having chemically-enhanced
flashbacks.

Mike Peterson

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"Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote in message
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Sounds like you don't think he's anal retentive at all!

Mike Henley

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Nov 20, 2003, 2:01:21 PM11/20/03
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Joshua P. Hill <josh442R...@snet.net> wrote in message news:<05nprvcjh3q9sfep0...@4ax.com>...

> >Speaking of Kubrick, if you get the chance to see "Dark Side of the Moon", a
> >documentary asserting that a backup "just in case" film of the first steps
> >on the moon was secretly made by Stanley Kubrick for the government
>
> ?
>
> Was he there at the time?
>

I wouldn't want to spoil it for you, yes it's said to be "brilliant",
though a "brilliant mockumentary". It's a playful mixing of fact and
fiction along the lines of "what if".

Mike Henley

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Nov 20, 2003, 2:25:25 PM11/20/03
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ronniecat <ronn...@mycollar.ronniecat.com> wrote in message news:<2jhprvolchun2hul2...@4ax.com>...

>
> Speaking of annoying newscast conventions, dontcha hate it when the
> weather guy and the anchor get into this lame little patter pretending
> the weather guy is actually responsible for the weather?
>
> Don: "So, you're going to make sure there's no rain for the big game
> on Friday, Ken?"
> Weatherman Ken: "I'll do my best, Don, but there is a large
> low-pressure system heading towards us from the west."
> Barbie: "Oh, Ken, you'll be the most unpopular guy in town if the big
> game is rained out!!"
> Weatherman Ken: "Don't I know it, Barbie."
>
> Ugh.
>
> ronnie

Hahaha yeah especially Fox News, Fox & Friends, they're notorious for
this filler patter. I had my revenge on them once when I watched one
of their blonde "news personalities" interview a couple of generals
who commented on the war events. One of the generals was commenting on
something on the news about navy seals and some mission they just did,
when that Fox "news personality" launched into her habitual filler
patter and told a mini-story about how great navy seals are and that
time she was on assignment on a submarine and saw those navy seals
guys and how impressed she was. That general suddenly said, "you saw
navy seals on a submarine?!"... (hehe i gleefully grinned!).. she
started stuttering and the general carried on anyway with his
analysis... and then a few minutes later she actually came back to the
point to clarify her story to them and the audience, she said
something like that the navy seals weren't on the submarine in the
first place (as in yes i know they're not supposed to be there) but
they just appeared in the middle of the ocean and got on the submarine
and she was so impressed it was amazing!!...

the two generals froze a little bit looking at her... then the camera
moved on... I swear on god this actually happened!

ronniecat

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Nov 20, 2003, 2:27:07 PM11/20/03
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NOTE: This post contains severe spoilers about the documentar "Dark
Side of the Moon". For fullest enjoyment, watch it "unspoiled".


On 20 Nov 2003 11:01:21 -0800, mnhe...@msn.com (Mike Henley) wrote a


message which the Enigma Machine correctly deciphered as:

>I wouldn't want to spoil it for you, yes it's said to be "brilliant",


>though a "brilliant mockumentary". It's a playful mixing of fact and
>fiction along the lines of "what if".

Well, since you've let the feline out of the bag...

... the documentary series we saw it on "The Passionate Eye") cleverly
didn't let on that it was a mockumentory and we watched it expecting
to "ha ha!" and point out the flaws in the moon-conspiracy-theoriests'
theories.

Things took a surreal turn when we realized that the real Donald
Rumsfeld, Lawrence Eagleburger, Alexander Haig, Richard Helms and
noted war criminal Henry Kissinger were all "participating". We
quickly guessed that the director had outrageously chopped up answers
from other interviews to fit his questions, since they were saying
things like:

Voice-over: "The President ordered that Kubrick be taken to the hangar
to start filming the back-up landing footage in absolute security."

Kissinger: "Oh, ya, ya, the President said, 'If we are going to do
this thing, well, let's do it now!"

or

Voice-over: "But Nixon was very worried. What if even one of the
people who'd worked on the shoot talked? There was only one solution,
he decided: they would have to be tracked down and eliminated by the
CIA."

Richard Helms: "Oh yeah, he was serious, all right. Eventually we
talked him out of it. But he was serious."

But how on earth could a documentary maker get away with that? I mean,
it's outrageous, the things he put in those guys' mouths!

(The scene where they try to imply that they're all sitting in a room
together laughing, when they're clearly in different rooms with
different paneling and lighting conditions, is a hoot.)

It wasn't until the very end, as the people who "knew" started turning
up dead that we were certain it wasn't a crank job but that we were
purposefully being put on.

I'd highly recommend it, and especially recommend watching it with
someone who's expecting a real, if crackpot, documentary.

Mike Henley

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Nov 20, 2003, 2:38:29 PM11/20/03
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Joshua P. Hill <josh442R...@snet.net> wrote in message news:<05nprvcjh3q9sfep0...@4ax.com>...

> >Speaking of Kubrick, if you get the chance to see "Dark Side of the Moon", a
> >documentary asserting that a backup "just in case" film of the first steps
> >on the moon was secretly made by Stanley Kubrick for the government
>
> ?
>
> Was he there at the time?
>

er... i don't know what you mean by that... if you mean if he was
alive during that period, yes of course, in 1967 he released that 2001
space odyssey, which was described as very realistic by the NASA guys,
and before that doctor strangelove in 1963, which featured B52s to
such a realistic extent that the FBI launched an investigation..

If however you mean... "was he there, on the moon, filming them
secretly for a backup "just in case" film... er... i don't know how to
reply to that...

No... the idea is that they never got to the moon, but they used the
moon set they made for 2001 space odyssey, and shot that whole moon
trip thing in a studio on earth...

http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/story.asp?id=12E62035-91EF-471F-B0E5-FADEB0F54491

I think it's very unlikely that you meant the former, but ever since i
met a new yorker who never heard of blondie (yes, blondie the band)
i'm willing to believe anything

Joshua P. Hill

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Nov 20, 2003, 4:04:40 PM11/20/03
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It does look like fun.

ronniecat

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Nov 20, 2003, 7:03:02 PM11/20/03
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"Mike Henley" <mnhe...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> No... the idea is that they never got to the moon, but they used the
> moon set they made for 2001 space odyssey, and shot that whole moon
> trip thing in a studio on earth...

While you're right about the theory, you're a bit mistaken about it in
relation to this documentary.

There's a book called "Dark Moon" which is based on exactly that theory, but
as I understand it, that book was written by a couple of notorious and
crazy-but-apparently-sincere conspiracy theorist who believes humans never
got there at all and the whole thing was filmed in a studio. That is the
book mr. r. and I *assumed* the documentary was based on, which explains why
we were so weirded out by the even *more* outrageous claims in the movie.

The French documentary "The Dark Side of the Moon" (French title is
something like "Projet Lune") actually posits that Apollo 11 did actually
make it to the moon and back, but that the tech crews couldn't guarantee
NASA that pictures would be able to be beamed back live. Nixon believed this
would be a political and public relations disaster because the Russians
would crow that they hadn't actually made it and were faking the whole
thing. So they hatched a plot to film a "back up film" - a realistic mock-up
of the moon landing, directed of course by Stanley Kubrick, who, as you
noted, was identified as being able to get these things to look right. The
whole thing was filmed in secret in a hangar at an air force base which was
evacuated for the event, and the entire crew sworn to highest secrecy. As it
turns out, the backup film wasn't necessary, and the pictures we saw *were*
from the moon - - so now *the film* had become a potential political
embarrassment and liability for Nixon, leading to all the shenanigans later
in the documentary. (My favourite moment is when they finish filming the old
CIA guy and then the narrator says that while the doc crew was supposed to
interview him again the next day, he 'died mysteriously' in the middle of
that night - although he had been *in perfect health*'.)

Also, if you see the movie, pay close attention to the interview with the
Rabbi near the very end. That was when the last penny finally dropped for
mr. ronniecat and I from "outrageous and bold-faced faked evidence of
conspiracy " to...

ronnie


J.D. Baldwin

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Nov 20, 2003, 7:09:59 PM11/20/03
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In the previous article, Elisabeth Riba <l...@osmond-riba.org> wrote:
> [I was reading a portion of Al Franken's _Lies_ aloud when it came
> out, anad realized that I didn't know how to pronounce
> miscegenation, I'd only ever seen it written. Upon consideration, I
> thought that boded well.]

Except that it bodes that you've never seen "O Brother, Where Art Thou?"
Hie thee to the video store with due haste and rent same.
--
_+_ From the catapult of |If anyone disagrees with any statement I make, I
_|70|___:)=}- J.D. Baldwin |am quite prepared not only to retract it, but also
\ / bal...@panix.com|to deny under oath that I ever made it. -T. Lehrer
***~~~~-----------------------------------------------------------------------

J.D. Baldwin

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In the previous article, Ted Kerin <tf.k...@gte.net> wrote:
> I thought there were other thematic problems with the Nicholson
> movie, including the fact that the Scatman character gets wasted
> immediately after arriving at the hotel, so that his clairvoyant
> powers, and the character himself, are rendered irrelevant. In the
> book, he makes a difference.

In the movie, he makes the difference between survival and death for
Olive Oyl^W^WShelley Duvall and the kid. How he accomplishes this is
left as an excercise.

Archer

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Nov 21, 2003, 5:17:12 AM11/21/03
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I hate the word "rich," which usually translates to "poor."

"The culture has a rich oral tradition." (Transl.: They're illiterate.)

"But the relationship was rich in other ways." (Transl.: He beat the shit out
of her.)

"A rich street patois." (That fuckin fucker's shit's fuckin fucked.)

"A rich diversity of experience." (Some of our people couldn't find their own
dicks with a pair of binoculars.)
____

Short-sheeting the bunks at the Trickle Down Bible Camp!
http://tunafishnews.blogspot.com/

Wendy Chatley Green

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Nov 21, 2003, 7:21:22 AM11/21/03
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For some inexplicable reasons, INVALID...@example.com.invalid
(J.D. Baldwin) wrote:

(to misc.writing only)
:


:In the previous article, Elisabeth Riba <l...@osmond-riba.org> wrote:
:> [I was reading a portion of Al Franken's _Lies_ aloud when it came
:> out, anad realized that I didn't know how to pronounce
:> miscegenation, I'd only ever seen it written. Upon consideration, I
:> thought that boded well.]
:
:Except that it bodes that you've never seen "O Brother, Where Art Thou?"
:Hie thee to the video store with due haste and rent same.

Note to m.w denizens--send a Welcome Basket to this poster. I
know him from alt.obituaries and he's a keeper.

--
Wendy Chatley Green
wcg...@cris.com

Joshua P. Hill

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On 21 Nov 2003 10:17:12 GMT, arch...@aol.com (Archer) wrote:

>I hate the word "rich," which usually translates to "poor."
>
>"The culture has a rich oral tradition." (Transl.: They're illiterate.)
>
>"But the relationship was rich in other ways." (Transl.: He beat the shit out
>of her.)
>
>"A rich street patois." (That fuckin fucker's shit's fuckin fucked.)
>
>"A rich diversity of experience." (Some of our people couldn't find their own
>dicks with a pair of binoculars.)

A genuine LOL -- and you weren't even trying to be serious.

Belphoebe

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Nov 21, 2003, 10:38:28 AM11/21/03
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Mike Peterson wrote:
> "Belphoebe" <n...@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:ZU5vb.7$NW...@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
>> Jym Dyer wrote:
>>>> In addition to this, "anal retentive" also makes my list.
>>>
>>> =v= Shouldn't that be spelled with a hyphen?

>> An anal-retentive guy was afraid that asking about using a hyphen


>> would make him seem anal retentive. ;)
>>
>> The answer: it depends.
>>
>
> Sounds like you don't think he's anal retentive at all!

Heh heh. I think I might need a 12-step program.

--
Belphoebe


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