What Else to Buy
Tolkien Reader
populated by many that hate the PJ movies and loath the cartoons.
Outside of the books, most of the other are gifts that I did not buy,
so take it easy on me (though I do enjoy the movies and cartoons and
don't mind saying so. I do have a question: Is there anything else
available that would be worth me acquiring? I am manly thinking of
books, but audio/visuals could also be mentioned.
Written Material
Works by J.R.R. Tolkien
The Hobbit
Leaf by Niggle
On Fairy-Stories (Part of Tolkien Reader)
Farmer Giles of Ham (Part of Tolkien Reader)
The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth (Part of Tolkien Reader)
The Lord of the Rings
The Adventures of Tom Bombadil (Part of Tolkien Reader)
The Road Goes Ever On (with Donald Swann)
Smith of Wooton Major
The Adventures of Tom Bombadil
Works by J.R.R. Tolkien Published Posthumously
Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, Pearl, and Sir Orfeo
The Silmarillion
*****Pictures by J.R.R. Tolkien *****
Unfinished Tales
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien
Finn and Hengest
Mr. Bliss
The Monsters and the Critics & Other Essays
Roverandom
Father Christmas Letters
Bilbo's Last Song
The History of Middle-Earth Edited by Christopher Tolkien
I - The Book of Lost Tales, Part One
II - The Book of Lost Tales, Part Two
III - The Lays of Beleriand
IV - The Shaping of Middle-earth
V - The Lost Road and Other Writings
VI - The Return of the Shadow
VII - The Treason of Isengard
VIII - The War of the Ring
IX - Sauron Defeated
X - Morgoth's Ring
XI - The War of the Jewels
XII - The Peoples of Middle-earth
*****History of Middle-earth Index*****
Illustrated by David Wenzel, Adapted by Charles Dixon with Sean Deming
Illustrated Hobbit (Comic Book Novel)
Douglas Anderson
The Annotated Hobbit
Humphrey Carpenter
J.R.R. Tolkien: A Biography
*****The Inklings *****
Brian Shipley
*****The Author of the Century *****
Karen Wynn Fonstad
The Atlas of Middle-earth
Barbara Strachey
Journeys of Frodo: An Atlas of JRR Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings
Robert Foster
The Complete Guide to Middle-earth
David Day
A Tolkien Bestiary
Lin Carter
A Look Behind the Lord of the Rings
Various
Tolkien's World: Paintings of Middle-earth
Jared Lobdell
Tolkien Compass
Audio Books Material
The Silmarillion
The Hobbit
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
*****Roverendom*****
Material From or About the Cartoons and Movies
The Hobbit – Rankin-Bass 1977
The Hobbit Read-Along Book and Record - Rankin-Bass Version
Lord of the Rings – 1978 Bashki Version
Mad Magazine - Parody of Bashki version of Lord of the Rings
The Film Book of The Lord of the Rings - 1978
Return of the King – Rankin-Bass Version
Return of the King Read-Along Book and Record - Rankin-Bass Version
Return of the King Long Playing Record Version
Peter Jackson Movies
In Time
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring Teacher Guide
Newspaper Articles
Mostly About the Peter Jackson Movies, with some information about
Tolkien and the books.
Ian McKellen
Web Posts from Ian McKellen's Official Web Page – Grey Book and White
Book
Poster and Buttons
Movie Poster for LOTR:FOTR
Static Cling Mini-Poster for LOTR:FOTR
Button for LOTR:TTT
Calendars
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring 2002 12 Month Calendar
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring 2003 Daily Calendar
Collectibles
Burger King Glass Goblets – LOTR-FOTR - Arwen the Elf
Burger King Glass Goblets – LOTR-FOTR - Frodo the Hobbit
Burger King Glass Goblets – LOTR-FOTR - Gandalf the Wizard
Burger King Glass Goblets – LOTR-FOTR - Strider the Ranger
Soundtracks
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers with Bonus Track
Videos
The Hobbit VHS and DVD
The Lord of the Rings (1978) – VHS and DVD
Return of the King VHS and DVD
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring Widescreen DVD (2-Disc)
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring Special Extended DVD
Edition (4 Disc)
National Geographic Beyond the Movie: Lord of the Rings: The
Fellowship of the Ring
J.R.R. Tolkien: Master of the Rings
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers Widescreen DVD (2-Disc)
Material From or About the Radio Plays
The Hobbit - BBC Version
The Hobbit – Mind Eye's Version
*****The Lord of the Rings – BBC Version *****
The Lord of the Rings – Mind's Eye Version
Live Action Plays
The Hobbit - dramatized by Patricia Gray
Computer Games
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Based on Written
Material)
*****Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (Based on Movie)*****
*****Asterisks Are the Items I Do Own*****
Caleb Diffell
"Tolkien Reader" <hefn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f4815448.03091...@posting.google.com...
> The Hobbit - Rankin-Bass 1977
> The Hobbit Read-Along Book and Record - Rankin-Bass Version
>
> Lord of the Rings - 1978 Bashki Version
> Mad Magazine - Parody of Bashki version of Lord of the Rings
> The Film Book of The Lord of the Rings - 1978
>
> Return of the King - Rankin-Bass Version
> Return of the King Read-Along Book and Record - Rankin-Bass Version
> Return of the King Long Playing Record Version
>
> Peter Jackson Movies
> In Time
> The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring Teacher Guide
>
> Newspaper Articles
> Mostly About the Peter Jackson Movies, with some information about
> Tolkien and the books.
>
> Ian McKellen
> Web Posts from Ian McKellen's Official Web Page - Grey Book and White
> Book
>
> Poster and Buttons
> Movie Poster for LOTR:FOTR
> Static Cling Mini-Poster for LOTR:FOTR
> Button for LOTR:TTT
>
> Calendars
> Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring 2002 12 Month Calendar
> Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring 2003 Daily Calendar
>
> Collectibles
> Burger King Glass Goblets - LOTR-FOTR - Arwen the Elf
> Burger King Glass Goblets - LOTR-FOTR - Frodo the Hobbit
> Burger King Glass Goblets - LOTR-FOTR - Gandalf the Wizard
> Burger King Glass Goblets - LOTR-FOTR - Strider the Ranger
>
> Soundtracks
> Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
> Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers with Bonus Track
>
> Videos
> The Hobbit VHS and DVD
> The Lord of the Rings (1978) - VHS and DVD
> Return of the King VHS and DVD
> Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring Widescreen DVD (2-Disc)
> Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring Special Extended DVD
> Edition (4 Disc)
> National Geographic Beyond the Movie: Lord of the Rings: The
> Fellowship of the Ring
> J.R.R. Tolkien: Master of the Rings
> The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers Widescreen DVD (2-Disc)
>
> Material From or About the Radio Plays
>
> The Hobbit - BBC Version
> The Hobbit - Mind Eye's Version
>
> *****The Lord of the Rings - BBC Version *****
> The Lord of the Rings - Mind's Eye Version
Stan Brown
In article <vOu9b.53169$875.2...@twister.tampabay.rr.com> in
rec.arts.books.tolkien, Caleb Diffell <cdif...@tampabay.rr.com>
wrote:
>Roverandom!
(and screen after screen of quoted material)
Please take a look at
<http://tolkien.slimy.com/faq/Netiquette.html#WhatReply>. These
discussions work best if everyone follows the convention.
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cortland County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Tolkien FAQs: http://Tolkien.slimy.com (Steuard Jensen's site)
Tolkien letters FAQ:
http://users.telerama.com/~taliesen/tolkien/lettersfaq.html
FAQ of the Rings: http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/ringfaq.htm
Encyclopedia of Arda: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm
more FAQs: http://oakroadsystems.com/tech/faqget.htm
Jamie Andrews; real address @ bottom of message
Do I understand correctly that your last statement was a typo --
that the asterisks indicate things that you *don't* have?
In rec.arts.books.tolkien Tolkien Reader <hefn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> *****Pictures by J.R.R. Tolkien *****
I personally would like to get a (second-hand) copy of
this. I don't think _JRRT: Author and Illustrator_ was on your
list. It is also apparently good -- Anderson refers to both
many times in _The Annotated Hobbit_.
> Brian Shipley
> *****The Author of the Century *****
The author is T. A. Shippey, listed on that book as Tom
Shippey. I recently got it and read it and think it is one of
the best and most illuminating books of Tolkien criticism I have
read. I haven't read his earlier book (_The Road to Middle-earth_
IIRC) but would like to get it.
There are years of Tolkien calendars -- you could pick your
favourite and least favourite artists (I know who mine are) and
look for compendia of their works.
--Jamie. (nel mezzo del cammin di nostra vita)
andrews .uwo } Merge these two lines to obtain my e-mail address.
@csd .ca } (Unsolicited "bulk" e-mail costs everyone.)
Steuard Jensen
<f4815448.03091...@posting.google.com>:
> The following is what I have Tolkien Related. I know this usenet is
> populated by many that hate the PJ movies and loath the cartoons.
And many who love the PJ movies and loathe the cartoons, and probably
fair number who have fond memories of both. :) We're a mixed bunch.
> I do have a question: Is there anything else available that would be
> worth me acquiring?
It looks like you have most books by Tolkien already, so there's not
much to add there. You might be interested in the (undoubtedly
incomplete) list of good books _about_ Tolkien in my Tolkien
Newsgroups FAQ, at
http://tolkien.slimy.com/faq/External.html#Secondary
You already own some of them, but not all (and you seem to have gotten
Tom Shippey's name a little wrong).
[snip]
> The Silmarillion
> *****Pictures by J.R.R. Tolkien *****
> Unfinished Tales
> The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien
[snip]
> *****Asterisks Are the Items I Do Own*****
I assume you meant "do not" there? :) Otherwise, you've got a pretty
strange (and pretty small) collection!
Steuard Jensen
Caleb Diffell
"Stan Brown" <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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TT Arvind
> The Monsters and the Critics & Other Essays
If this interested you, you should consider "Beowulf and the Critics", an
expanded version of the lecture on Beowulf in the book you have (it may
be more correct to say the lecture is a condensed version of the book).
It's much more readable, and has a lot more material.
Speaking of which, what's the latest on the publication of Tolkien's
translation of Beowulf? Michael Drout said it'd be published in summer
2004, IIRC, but I remember reading that the Tolkien Estate denied having
given permission for its publication.
--
Meneldil
Grau, treuer Freund, ist alle Theorie,
und grün des Lebens goldener Baum
- Goethe
Steuard Jensen
<_cH9b.26411$kX.2...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>:
> Thank you Mr. Policeman.
> "Stan Brown" <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> > Caleb Diffell <cdif...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> > >Roverandom!
> >
> > (and screen after screen of quoted material)
> >
> > Please take a look at
> > <http://tolkien.slimy.com/faq/Netiquette.html#WhatReply>. These
> > discussions work best if everyone follows the convention.
I don't think Stan was trying to attack you in any way. He saw that
you were apparently not acquainted with the standards of netiquette
that we have here, and he pointed you to a site that would describe
them. He even explained that it's not just some silly local custom
but a practice that actually makes discussions work better.
I suppose that in some sense, his correction might make him a
"policeman", but hey, society needs its policemen, and as long as they
don't abuse their power they are a force for good. On the other hand,
your thanks didn't sound particularly sincere. If you're just upset
that Stan responded publicly, keep in mind that Stan's response might
help other newcomers here learn what we consider "proper" behavior
(thus sparing them from having to make the same unwitting mistake
themselves).
Incidentally, for those who haven't had a chance to look at the FAQ
entry that Stan quoted, the basic message is 1) trim down as much of
the message you're responding to as you can while still preserving the
essence of the point(s) you're replying to, and 2) put your response
to each of those points directly underneath that point, so each part
of the discussion can be read as its own little conversation.
Yes, the FAQ entry says all that more clearly and in greater
detail. I'm improvising here. :)
Steuard Jensen
Tolkien Reader
> > *****Asterisks Are the Items I Do Own*****
>
> I assume you meant "do not" there? :) Otherwise, you've got a pretty
> strange (and pretty small) collection!
>
> Steuard Jensen
Yep, I meant to write "do not own." Don't know how I missed that
typo. Otherwise, my list is not worth mentioning. Thanks for
everyone's response.
John D. Goulden
> populated by many that hate the PJ movies and loath the cartoons.
Some of the purists must profess loathing of both the 'toons and PJs
efforts, but I for one enjoy them all. It was the 'toons that got my kids
interested in LOTR at an early age. Although it's been many years and
they've since read (and reread) the books and seen the PJ movies many times,
they still sing some of the songs from the toons, especially when doing
their household chores.
--
John Goulden
John Brock
Steuard Jensen <sbje...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>Quoth "Caleb Diffell" <cdif...@tampabay.rr.com> in article
><_cH9b.26411$kX.2...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>:
>> Thank you Mr. Policeman.
>> "Stan Brown" <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>> > Caleb Diffell <cdif...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> > >Roverandom!
>> > (and screen after screen of quoted material)
>> >
>> > Please take a look at
>> > <http://tolkien.slimy.com/faq/Netiquette.html#WhatReply>. These
>> > discussions work best if everyone follows the convention.
>I don't think Stan was trying to attack you in any way. He saw that
>you were apparently not acquainted with the standards of netiquette
>that we have here, and he pointed you to a site that would describe
>them. He even explained that it's not just some silly local custom
>but a practice that actually makes discussions work better.
Hey, didn't Stan call *you* "Mr. Policeman" just a day ago? :-)
>I suppose that in some sense, his correction might make him a
>"policeman", but hey, society needs its policemen, and as long as they
>don't abuse their power they are a force for good. On the other hand,
>your thanks didn't sound particularly sincere. If you're just upset
>that Stan responded publicly, keep in mind that Stan's response might
>help other newcomers here learn what we consider "proper" behavior
>(thus sparing them from having to make the same unwitting mistake
>themselves).
>
>Incidentally, for those who haven't had a chance to look at the FAQ
>entry that Stan quoted, the basic message is 1) trim down as much of
>the message you're responding to as you can while still preserving the
>essence of the point(s) you're replying to, and 2) put your response
>to each of those points directly underneath that point, so each part
>of the discussion can be read as its own little conversation.
>
>Yes, the FAQ entry says all that more clearly and in greater
>detail. I'm improvising here. :)
Oh man, you are just *so* earnest and sincere! Not that I'm
complaining, since I'm that way myself sometimes, and I also like
a newsgroup full of orderly, polite, and well trimmed bottom-posted
messages. You study physics, right? I used to study physics too
(astrophysics), although I never got my degree. Maybe that accounts
for the affinity for order.
--
John Brock
jbr...@panix.com
Stan Brown
rec.arts.books.tolkien, Steuard Jensen
> If you're just upset
>that Stan responded publicly, keep in mind that Stan's response might
>help other newcomers here learn what we consider "proper" behavior
>(thus sparing them from having to make the same unwitting mistake
>themselves).
And that so many From: addresses are bogus that I no longer send
private replies to anyone unless we have corresponded before.
Stan Brown
>Hey, didn't Stan call *you* "Mr. Policeman" just a day ago? :-)
No, I did not. I don't know what your smiley is supposed to
indicate.
Tim
Certainly net etiquette is important, but it is not really all that
important. Really. If you think so...well, I'm sorry. The purpose of all
this is an exchange of ideas. Top posting and other crimes may make one
seem a bit rustic, but that's about it. IMHO. (Well, not so humble....)
"Caleb Diffell" <cdif...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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John Brock
Stan Brown <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>In article <bk9ufl$61b$1...@panix1.panix.com> in
>rec.arts.books.tolkien, John Brock <jbr...@panix.com> wrote:
>>Hey, didn't Stan call *you* "Mr. Policeman" just a day ago? :-)
>No, I did not. I don't know what your smiley is supposed to
>indicate.
Sorry, I misread the attributions. It was The Sidhekin who said
"Thank you Mr. Policeman" to Steuard, but I thought it was you (and
I *did* check before I posted!).
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=7xpti0782p.fsf%40laptop.dav
So when Caleb Diffell said *exactly* the same thing to you and
Steuard defended you I thought that was rather ironic (not to
mention rather chivalrous of Steuard) -- hence the smiley.
--
John Brock
jbr...@panix.com
Steuard Jensen
<zd9ab.233$9p2.44...@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>:
> I just read this exchange (and top posted as a means of protest!).
> Certainly net etiquette is important, but it is not really all that
> important.
Of course it's not all that important. :) World peace is important.
Feeding the hungry is important. Heck, sending people to Mars is
important, and all of these and countless other things are far, far
more important than netiquette will ever be. :)
> The purpose of all this is an exchange of ideas. Top posting and
> other crimes may make one seem a bit rustic, but that's about it.
The thing is, many of the standards of netiquette are designed
specifically to expedite the exchange of ideas, and the "rule" against
top posting is certainly one of those. I'll admit that it probably
doesn't make much difference on some newsgroups, where discussions may
not be all that long or all that detailed, but here "proper" posting
style can be all but essential.
In particular, when someone responds in detail to a complicated post
that's over a hundred lines long, the "correct" Usenet posting style
(trimming down the original message to its essentials and responding
to each point directly beneath it) is practically the only way to be
understood. Even in less extreme cases, top posting puts a response
before its context which is inevitably confusing, and if the original
message is more than a few lines long it may not even be clear what
the exact context was meant to be. And while it's less of an issue
now, top posters' tendency to quote large amounts of redundant
material still causes problems for people with slow modem connections
or who pay for internet service by the minute (which is still
apparently fairly common in some parts of the world).
My usual take on top posting (and most issues of netiquette) is that
doing things "right" means a small additional cost in time and thought
for the sender of each message, while doing things "wrong" transfers
that small additional cost to each of its readers. Thus, proper
netiquette is good for two reasons. First, it's simply more
efficient: with dozens of readers of every message, the total "work"
of communication is minimized if only the sender has to pay that extra
cost. And second, communication works better when the speaker reduces
the listeners' burden as much as possible (so they can spend their
"mental energy" pondering her ideas rather than simply decoding them).
(I'm sad to admit that I've sometimes skipped interesting-looking
messages when I've been in a hurry just because I didn't have the
leisure to figure out their non-standard formatting/grammar/whatever.)
So, yeah. It's not important, but it can sure be helpful (and polite)
if you're already spending time on something as unimportant as the
Tolkien newsgroups anyway. :)
Steuard Jensen
Tim
"Steuard Jensen" <sbje...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote in message
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Steuard,
Of course I agree with you. However, the 'importance' seems to swell to a
great deal of self absorbed self importance from time to time.
You see, the first time I posted on a newsgroup (I don't recall which one or
the topic) I top posted having not noted the prevailing culture. As you
migh expect, no one discussed my topic, but in some rather rude terms waxed
sub-eloquent regarding my idiocy in top posting. I had no idea what was
meant by top posting. So, I asked what it was. You know already how many
responses I got from that question....none. Like Balrog wings, it's a
non-issue. When some one forgets to introduce you at a gathering (something
which is polite and accelerates the useful exchange of information), you
don't push them down or scream at them. You ask to be
introduced...hopefully politely. It's not a very good analogy, but I'm sure
you understand what I mean.
You are good at gentle correction...which is probably more effective in any
case. But I regard those who are not as goons with really nothing else to
do and, being rather impulsive, occasionally I voice my displeasure.
Probably I'm being as immature as they and I must admit, thus far I don't
seem to have provoked a change in anyone's behavior! It just isn't enough
of an issue to hurt someone's feelings about, in my mind.
'nuf said.
Tim