Clearly forgeries, as there are no twirly moons.
CeeBee
I hope that was a joke. My 4 year old can spoof pictures better than that.
;o)
Clear skies,
Roger
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Yeah, reducing contrast of one of the pictures with gimp
shows a rectangle so that it's clear the planet was cut
and paste into it.
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Frank
Oops, I forgot to take the image algorithm into account so
for JPEG that's actually what one would expect ...
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You said in the site:
Dear friends,
We in Russia did know about PLANET X even before IRAS
found it.
Small catch. IRAS did not find the planet in question. You must have
missed the memo. Please try to refrain from making this error in the
future.
> As far as I know, classified research results in Russia agree with > ZETATALK. In the early 90ies, Russia
> sent an "officially non-existing" space probe called NORLOK directly > towards Planet-X, mainly to trace the exact
> path to get a better estimation of PLANET-X impact on EARTH.
Bullshit.
Give the launch date, booster and international designation number for
this payload.
Oh wait, it was a "big secret."
Sorry, Chump, but there was no probe, you are either telling a lie, or
you have been scammed.
> These photos are made by the NORLOK space probe:
REALLY piss poor Photoshop work. Very amateurish.
nancy must be close to panic if she sends such inept trolls....
- --<-(X-Ray leyos tos loyos emiv apo sci.astro)->--
And to me the just fact that the pics are jpgs is enough to prove its
a hoax. Everytime I download an image from NASA I get the tiff's so
that you don't deal with the short commings of jpgs.
==)-> Xataleipw, Faux_Pseudo
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Yes, planting such jpegs without giving the option to view
the images in a high quality format is surely a bad hoax.
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> Please have a look at
>
> http://www.webspawner.com/users/mandurek/index.html
Oh MAN that looks real!
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Dear Oleg,
I have a couple of questions for you. I'd like an
answer to at least the first three (or four, if
possible), as I have a telescope that should be
able to see (or at least photograph) the object,
if I know where to look.
1. Can you give me the coordinates on which the
imaging device which took the pictures was
centered? (And, if possible, the coordinates for
finding it at this time, and a few weeks into the
future.)
2. Can you tell me what magnification the imaging
device was using when the photos were taken?
3. Can you tell me the magnitude of a) the object
and b) the dimmest stars in the star field shown
in the photos?
4. Can you tell me something about the camera
used for taking these photos? (Including, if
possible, the image format of the raw images sent
to the ground station?
5. Can you tell me the approximate location of
the NORLOCK space probe when these photos were taken?
6. Can you tell me when the NORLOCK space probe
was launched? (An approximate time would be fine.)
7. What year, and time of year, was the nuclear
explosion that destroyed the space port from which
NORLOCK was launched?
8. Can you tell me, generally (so as not to get
you in too much hot water!) where the mission
control center was for the NORLOCK space probe
when these photos were downloaded? (Or were these
photos downloaded from the NORLOCK space probe
before the space port was destroyed?)
> I was involved in this project from 1995-2002, so NORLOK was already
> started. Everybody in the project only knows the facts he has to
> know to do his job. We have build a small space port just for NORLOK in
> the desert close to Semipalatynsk, the russian test area for nuclear
> explosions. Some weeks after NORLOK was started, we destroyed the
> space port by a nuclear explosion and claimed that it was just a
> military atom bomb test.
A nuclear explosion can be measured and detected from _anywhere_ on the
planet. Russia's last nuclear test fireing, was on October 24th 1990. Or, 5
years before you were involved in the project as you claim.
This means that you are either a liar or you (either way) has some
explaining to do.
> >Give the launch date, booster and international designation number for
> >this payload.
>
> You do not believe me unless I answer your question. If I answer your
> question, then you just raise the next question and so on....
> It comes up to asking me for the chief constructor's grandmothers
> maiden name.
That's called "scientific process". You make a claim and then back it up
with evidence and answer a few questions along the way. Huh, what a
surprise: You aren't going to?
> know to do his job. We have build a small space port just for NORLOK in
> the desert close to Semipalatynsk, the russian test area for nuclear
> explosions. Some weeks after NORLOK was started, we destroyed the
> space port by a nuclear explosion and claimed that it was just a
> military atom bomb test.
Wow, that's convenient. So there's no evidence, huh? Can you tell me the
date of the nuclear "test" in question that destroyed NORLOK?
> A nuclear explosion can be measured and detected from _anywhere_ on the
> planet. Russia's last nuclear test fireing, was on October 24th 1990. Or,
5
> years before you were involved in the project as you claim.
Awww man...I was really hoping for a Perry Mason-like trap for Oleg, because
according to this site:
http://www.nti.org/e_research/e1_kazakhstan_1.html
the nuclear testing facilities at Semipalatinsk were destroyed altogether in
2000, two years before the end of "NORLOK".
I couldn't find direct information on when the last Russian nuclear test
was.
Curses! My trap was foiled again! :o)
> I couldn't find direct information on when the last Russian nuclear test
> was.
>
> Curses! My trap was foiled again! :o)
Don't worry, he'd probably fall in it anyways :)
And where pray tell, are the rest of the stars in the image?
>
> >Yeah, reducing contrast of one of the pictures with gimp
> >shows a rectangle so that it's clear the planet was cut
> >and paste into it.
>
> A computer expert told me that it is possible to cut and paste
> circular areas (in GIMP). If someone tries to cheat, he would
> copy and paste a circular area.
> All the stars on my images have rectangular areas if you
> increase the contrast.
Duh. Except for a foolish 12 year old trying to pass off a hoax.
>
> >And to me the just fact that the pics are jpgs is enough to prove its
> >a hoax. Everytime I download an image from NASA I get the tiff's so
> >that you don't deal with the short commings of jpgs.
>
> The images are not from NASA!!! If I put images in format xyz,
> then you will claim that all images in format xyz are hoaxes.
> If you see an image which shows earth as a flat disc, then you
> believe that earth is flat provided that the image is in tif format.
>
> Obviously, you do not have any hard fact against my images, so you
> claim that jpg's are hoaxes.
Not a claim, it's the truth. You lie. And you lie very poorly.
>
> >Give the launch date, booster and international designation number for
> >this payload.
>
> You do not believe me unless I answer your question. If I answer your
> question, then you just raise the next question and so on....
> It comes up to asking me for the chief constructor's grandmothers
> maiden name.
In other words, you can't name it.
> I was involved in this project from 1995-2002, so NORLOK was already
> started. Everybody in the project only knows the facts he has to
> know to do his job. We have build a small space port just for NORLOK in
> the desert close to Semipalatynsk, the russian test area for nuclear
> explosions. Some weeks after NORLOK was started, we destroyed the
> space port by a nuclear explosion and claimed that it was just a
> military atom bomb test.
LOL, now that's humourous. Got any more tall tales? JUst what was
your job there, cheif comedian?
Go back to the sand lot, child. You're not playing with your teenage
friends here. Come back when you have more to offer than childish
pranks.
But but but, Nancy says that it's the twirly moons that
make PX look as large as it does. How can they be
invisible?
Sincerely,
Very Shaken
No, the statement was YOUR jpegs are hoaxes, not all images in that
format.
Big difference.
> >Give the launch date, booster and international designation number for
> >this payload.
>
> You do not believe me unless I answer your question. If I answer your
> question, then you just raise the next question and so on....
> It comes up to asking me for the chief constructor's grandmothers
> maiden name.
So you can not provide such simple information? This is exactly what
would be expected of a hoax.
> I was involved in this project from 1995-2002, so NORLOK was already
> started. Everybody in the project only knows the facts he has to
> know to do his job. We have build a small space port just for NORLOK in
> the desert close to Semipalatynsk, the russian test area for nuclear
> explosions. Some weeks after NORLOK was started, we destroyed the
> space port by a nuclear explosion and claimed that it was just a
> military atom bomb test.
Bullshit.
Face reality, you lied or were bamboozled, and now you can not admit
that simple fact.
> Obviously, you do not have any hard fact against my images, so you
> claim that jpg's are hoaxes.
Okay, I have a hard fact...
The stars in your images aren't in relative motion together - they're
moving every which way, completely without relation to each other.
There's some stars that appear move equally proportionate distances between
the three frames.
* * *
There's some that have small gaps between the first frame and the second
and then a very large gap between the second and third frame.
* * *
There's even a couple stars that make neat little triangles.
*
* *
In other words, you goofed up when you moved the stars in small groups
instead of moving the entire stellar field as a whole.
joshua h
I didn't see this. I found that there was a couple degrees rotation
between the first and second frame, and about 6 degrees rotation
between the first and third frame, but little variation in the star
positions, other than this rotation and translation. I thought they
did a pretty good job making the stars look right. The planet, is
completely different than Nancy says it would look, though.
--
John Popelish
> I didn't see this. I found that there was a couple degrees rotation
> between the first and second frame, and about 6 degrees rotation
> between the first and third frame, but little variation in the star
> positions, other than this rotation and translation. I thought they
> did a pretty good job making the stars look right. The planet, is
> completely different than Nancy says it would look, though.
Yeah, I completely screwed up. I had just overlaid the three images
together without adjusting the position of the frame or the rotation. If I
had aligned one star throughout the pictures, which I later did, or rotated
the pictures, I would've seen that the star positions are identical.
Oops...
I do have two questions: does the Russian space program use GMT for their
operations? And if they did, wouldn't they spell "GMT" in cyrillic?
Oh - and why would a satellite meant to track a planet take an image of an
empty star field two weeks before the planet entered it?
joshua h
> Oh - and why would a satellite meant to track a planet take an image of an
> empty star field two weeks before the planet entered it?
Huh, that's pretty convenient isn't it?
:o)
I believe this picture is genuine. there is another picture like this one
in the bbc news. All of you that are calling it a lie, you are either scared,
stupid and closed to any other view but your own. You think you know everything.
When october comes and everyone can see it, then you will probably still call
it a hoax, until it is too late. We will not waste our time trying to convince
all of you. We have better thing to do.
amberdee
- --<-(amberdee leyos tos loyos emiv apo sci.astro)->--
> I believe this picture is genuine. there is another picture like this one
> in the bbc news.
Whats the link to the bbc page with the image?
==)-> Xataleipw, Faux_Pseudo
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> I believe this picture is genuine. there is another picture like this one
> in the bbc news. All of you that are calling it a lie, you are either
scared,
> stupid and closed to any other view but your own. You think you know
everything.
> When october comes and everyone can see it, then you will probably still
call
> it a hoax, until it is too late.
Hey, are you kidding? This would be probably be the most exciting thing
I'll ever have happen in my lifetime astronomically! Let's see it!
However, a doctored picture does not a Nibiru make, or some such.
When it doesn't happen in October (or June 2003 - wasn't that what it was
pushed to now?) will _you_ admit you were duped?
What's the URL to the BBC article?
Clear skies,
<quote>
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Sorry, there is no webpage available at this web address. Please double
check the URL and try again.
</quote>
OH! Darn! The page was "taken down" as predicted by Oleg. No doubt this
was the nefarious action of government(s) forces bent on keeping this
shattering event a secret for as long as possible. I sure hope the
underground can bring them around soon so more people can be "convinced".
;o)
CeeBee
- --<-(Roger Herzler leyos tos loyos emiv apo sci.astro)->--
> "Oleg Mandurek" <mand...@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:8e1c3ef0.02072...@posting.google.com...
>> Please have a look at
>>
>> http://www.webspawner.com/users/mandurek/index.html
>
><quote>
> 404 File not found
> Sorry, there is no webpage available at this web address. Please double
> check the URL and try again.
></quote>
>
> OH! Darn! The page was "taken down" as predicted by Oleg. No doubt this
> was the nefarious action of government(s) forces bent on keeping this
> shattering event a secret for as long as possible. I sure hope the
> underground can bring them around soon so more people can be "convinced".
You are of course aware that every person who went to that site had
their IP logged. And now that the governments[0] involved in its
shutdown will of course want to eliminate all possible witnesses to
this secret of theirs. I would expect a knock on each of our doors
very soon.
[0] this should be plural as the US and USSR are in on this together.
==)-> Xataleipw, Faux_Pseudo
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> [0] this should be plural as the US and USSR are in on this together.
USSR? Did the all powerful Zetans slip us through a time warp while I
wasn't looking? Cheeky sods.
(It's really hard to touch type with your tongue in your cheek for some
reason.)
Geoff in Oz
According to Nancy Leider, "everyone can see it" already, in the
images from January. Problem is, she is clearly WRONG! So what will it
mean in October when Nancy points to some new image and says: "You
CAUGHT it" once again? It will mean just what it meant in January...
absolutely nothing.
I
Cite a source where this alleged BBC image is available.
I suspect no such cite will ever be provided. And for a simple reason:
There is no such image.
"We" have better things to do? Do you have a mouse in your pocket, or
is this another NancyPanic term?
The site with the fake pictures was there as of 7-31-02 at 2309 PDT.
The pictures ae still phoney. The text is still fake. Nothing has
change.
> USSR? Did the all powerful Zetans slip us through a time warp while I
> wasn't looking? Cheeky sods.
> (It's really hard to touch type with your tongue in your cheek for some
> reason.)
Hi, Geoff.
Try typing with your fingers, instead of your tongue.
--
Bill Nelson (bi...@peak.org)
You mean like the way the High Priestess demanded that all the
"debunkers" post their name, address, and personal life story so that
the Zeta believers could come knocking on our doors with pitchforks
and torches?
lol, you Zetakooks are getting fanatical and delusional. A conspiracy
on every corner. Did you ever stop to think that website might have
been taken down by the original creator, so that he could claim
government intervention? You people create your own conspiracies and
then point to them as proof. Your posts and elementary logic are
humourous at best.
- --<-(Sarah Mc leyos tos loyos emiv apo sci.astro)->--
> lol, you Zetakooks are getting fanatical and delusional. A conspiracy
> on every corner. Did you ever stop to think that website might have
> been taken down by the original creator, so that he could claim
> government intervention? You people create your own conspiracies and
> then point to them as proof. Your posts and elementary logic are
> humourous at best.
Did you miss the sarcasim in my post?
Your posts and elementary humor skills are dissapointing at best.
==)-> Xataleipw, Faux_Pseudo
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- --<-(The CO leyos tos loyos emiv apo sci.astro)->--
Doh! In my attempt to sound like a consperacy nut I inadverdantly
went into the "evil ussr" paradigm. Well it just adds more spice to
the sarcasim.
==)-> Xataleipw, Faux_Pseudo
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- --<-(The Commentator leyos tos loyos emiv apo sci.astro)->--
> Roger Herzler wrote:
>>
>> "Oleg Mandurek" <mand...@excite.com> wrote in message
>> news:8e1c3ef0.02072...@posting.google.com...
>> > Please have a look at
>> >
>> > http://www.webspawner.com/users/mandurek/index.html
>>
> The site with the fake pictures was there as of 7-31-02 at 2309 PDT.
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> [0] this should be plural as the US and USSR are in on this together.
USSR?
Where have you been?
> (It's really hard to touch type with your tongue in your cheek for some
> reason.)
Stop using your tongue for typing and it gets easier. :oD
> The site with the fake pictures was there as of 7-31-02 at 2309 PDT.
>
> The pictures ae still phoney. The text is still fake. Nothing has
> change.
http://www.webspawner.com/users/mandurek/index.html
Clear your cache and try again. It is gone-gone-goneski... 8/1/2002 9:24AM
PST
Isn't there any limit to the stupidity and ignorance of Nancy's followers?
Amberdee. Get an education. Then, get a life.
And, by the way, do you happen to remember who claimed that Hale-Bopp was
a hoax? Moron.
OK, good suggestion.
I have this image of a Grog, except that they had to see the keyboard so
presumably couldn't touch type.
http://www.webspawner.com/users/mand02/norlok02.jpg
"The Commentator" <gu...@whocares.net> wrote in message
news:3D49AAD2...@whocares.net...
Thank goodness the g-men missed one. The truth can continue on! :o)
So much for the abilities to actually shut a site down...;-)
I added that cunt Sarah Mc to my killfile/global long ago.
She has to take her false teeth to even write usenet messages.
Sarah Mc is suffering from delusions of grandeur. see the psyche groups.
She the personality at best of "bon bon."
Please refrain from using derogatory invective toward another poster to
express your own opposite feelings/beliefs/fantasies. Calling Sarah Mc a
c**t is an inappropriate response for anyone, much less someone, like
yourself, who has intelligence enough to read the s.a.a. astronomy mesages.
Please retain your own personal dignity and credibility; desist using vulgar
adjectives. Thank you.
Skip Cashwell
"Secret Squirrel" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in
message news:fb3a5a62a9a2685e...@anonymous.poster...
> >- SNIP> I added that <SNIP>Sarah Mc to my killfile/global long ago.
"Oleg Mandurek" <mand...@excite.com> skrev i meddelandet
LOL, how could they be more different?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3D45F083.4070407%40man-made.de&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3D46B395.9060809%40wwt.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
I guess you don't know how to operate your newsreader ...
--
Frank
Sorry, wrong link ... Olegs messages aren't archived in google
so you've to look for your own.
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Frank
X-Ray,
WTF? That last is _me_; and I'm certainly not Oleg!
Tom McDonald
Yupp, I noticed ... and already replied that to
my message. I didn't put much time in that so
I accidently copied the location from a wrong
post.
Sorry.
--
Frank