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Garry

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Oct 30, 2002, 3:08:57 PM10/30/02
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DESTRUCTIVE CO-DEPENDENCY

A co-dependent person is one who has let another person's behavior
affect him or her, and who is obsessed with controlling that person's
behavior...

Whatever problem the other person has, codependency involves a
habitual system of thinking, feeling, and behaving toward ourselves
and others that can cause us pain.

Co-dependent behaviors or habits are self-destructive.

We frequently react to people who are destroying themselves; we react
by learning to destroy ourselves. These habits can lead us into, or
keep us in, destructive relationships, relationships that don't work.

These behaviors can sabotage relationships that may otherwise have
worked. These behaviors can prevent us from finding peace and
happiness with the most important person in our lives-ourselves. These
behaviors belong to the only person each of us can control-the only
person we can change-ourselves.

-Melodie Beattie

Melody Beattie goes beyond the revolutionary self-self approach of her
famed Codependent No More, guiding your audience on an exciting
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being mean" to ourselves.

Melody Beattie is the author of Codependent No More, a book that
touched the lives of millions upon millions of people and made them
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Melody Beattie is the author of numerous best-selling books. Her
writing draws on the wisdom of Twelve Step healing, Christianity, and
Eastern religions. She lives in Malibu, California.

arnie lerma - www.lermanet.com

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Oct 30, 2002, 3:25:51 PM10/30/02
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This reminds me of Patricia Greenways campaign against Stacy and
bob...

The only difference is you are doing it publically instead of
behind their backs

Arnie Lerma


Ferengi + Borg = Scientology
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
Lost a loved one to Scientology? tell your story to http://www.lermanet.com

Magoo

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Oct 30, 2002, 10:29:54 PM10/30/02
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agreed....

Go read the book yourself,,,,and then look in the mirror. For you to tell
~~anyone~~ they are "Co-Dependent" is just as bad as Scientologists labeling
people 1.1/pts/sp/downtone/blah blah blah.

Start DOING something other than labeling. It's a pisspoor habit with zero
results.


Tory/Magoo!
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Tigger

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Oct 31, 2002, 8:23:00 AM10/31/02
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Well I for one, think it is making a mountain out of a molehill to do a
webpage on an s.r.s. poster who posts "bad things" about someone. What
a waste of time and effort when you could be spending the time on more
important things. Plus it's pisspoor mean and despicable to go to such
lengths over someone who is not a threat like Scientology is.

If you have a problem with Garry or his posts, keep it on a.r.s. and
post, don't make it into such a big deal with webpages. Heck, I am sure
there are lots of people who would like to shout it to the world when
they are badmouthed by another a.r.s. poster, but making a special
webpage about it is ridiculous when you can refute it where the attack
occurred.
And such a counterattack will not stop Garry from expressing his
opinions any which way he wants to.

Tigger

***************************************************************
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

"True peace is not merely the absence of tension but the presence of
justice and brotherhood."

-Martin Luther King, Jr.
**************************************************************

Garry

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Oct 31, 2002, 8:46:10 AM10/31/02
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ale...@nospam.bellatlantic.net (arnie lerma - www.lermanet.com) wrote in message news:<3dc0412f....@news.verizon.net>...

>
> >DESTRUCTIVE CO-DEPENDENCY
> >
> >A co-dependent person is one who has let another person's behavior
> >affect him or her, and who is obsessed with controlling that person's
> >behavior...
> >
> >Whatever problem the other person has, codependency involves a
> >habitual system of thinking, feeling, and behaving toward ourselves
> >and others that can cause us pain.
> >
> >Co-dependent behaviors or habits are self-destructive.
> >
> >We frequently react to people who are destroying themselves; we react
> >by learning to destroy ourselves. These habits can lead us into, or
> >keep us in, destructive relationships, relationships that don't work.
> >
> >These behaviors can sabotage relationships that may otherwise have
> >worked. These behaviors can prevent us from finding peace and
> >happiness with the most important person in our lives-ourselves. These
> >behaviors belong to the only person each of us can control-the only
> >person we can change-ourselves.
> >
> >-Melodie Beattie
>
> This reminds me of Patricia Greenways campaign against Stacy and
> bob...
>
> The only difference is you are doing it publically instead of
> behind their backs.

What you mean, Arnie, is that I'm being honest and straight-forward,
an attribute rarely found on ARS.

You're welcome, by the way, for the $40 I sent you for stamps. You
didn't have the courtesy of confirming my e-mail, but I confirmed it
with PayPal on my own.

Garry

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Oct 31, 2002, 8:50:02 AM10/31/02
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"Magoo" <mag...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<3dc0...@news2.lightlink.com>...

> agreed....
>
> Go read the book yourself,,,,and then look in the mirror. For you to tell
> ~~anyone~~ they are "Co-Dependent" is just as bad as Scientologists labeling
> people 1.1/pts/sp/downtone/blah blah blah.
>
> Start DOING something other than labeling. It's a pisspoor habit with zero
> results.

You should talk Ms. 30-Year Scheming Scientologist.

If you donated your brain to science, it'd set civilization back 50 years.

Gerry Armstrong

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Oct 31, 2002, 9:36:31 AM10/31/02
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:23:00 -0600 (CST), booboo...@webtv.net
(Tigger) wrote:

>Well I for one, think it is making a mountain out of a molehill to do a
>webpage on an s.r.s. poster who posts "bad things" about someone.

You would, wouldn't you.

By your logic doing anything about fair game is making a mountain out
of a molehill.

Hey, looked at in the Scientological way, making a webpage about
killing someone is making a mountain out of a molehill.

But very funny. You say nothing about Garry's vicious, hateful posts,
but attack their wog (R) victims. Are you suddenly becoming a
throwaway?

What do we call this?

A stuffed animal sacrifice? I'm black (a wog (R) remember) so I have
to take it.

> What
>a waste of time and effort when you could be spending the time on more
>important things. Plus it's pisspoor mean and despicable to go to such
>lengths over someone who is not a threat like Scientology is.

Oh ye of little math. It's not the criminal Scientology cult *or*
Garry Scarff. It's the criminal Scientology cult *plus* Garry Scarff.

Nobody I know is stopping Scarff from ceasing doing Scientology's
dirty work. But maybe you know more about Scientology's hold on Scarff
than I do.

Oh, this just showed up

[Quote]

Buggernaut Eval Addition

CT 3 If you can't make it all about Bob, and you can't get other
people to make it all about Bob, by correct black PR tech make it look
like other people at least support the goons. I/P 31/10/02

>
>If you have a problem with Garry or his posts, keep it on a.r.s.

Yes sir!

>and
>post, don't make it into such a big deal with webpages.

Good idea. Give me the url for your website so I can check out how
you're doing it.

> Heck, I am sure
>there are lots of people who would like to shout it to the world when
>they are badmouthed by another a.r.s. poster, but making a special
>webpage about it is ridiculous when you can refute it where the attack
>occurred.

Yes, all of it can be refuted here, but because of people like Garry,
and e.g., the Bob Butchers, as you are well aware, not everyone will
stomach reading a.r.s. Thus to get the message of the Miscavige
regime's fair game campaigns to the whole world, web pages are the
only answer.

How do you suggest that we get the message out about Scientology fair
game, if not the Internet?

Oh, and don't forget your web pages opposing Scientology fair game.
Here, I'll leave a little space for you to post your url.


>And such a counterattack will not stop Garry from expressing his
>opinions any which way he wants to.

Isn't that a nice postulate. I'll bet that works for the rest of the
Miscavige regime's black PR machine too. Putting the rest of their
vicious, hateful attacks on the web will not stop them from expressing
more vicious, hateful black PR, you say? You'd love it if all of us
would just not bother because it will not stop Scientology, now
wouldn't you?

Don't forget that url of yours.

>
>Tigger


© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org

Starshadow

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Oct 31, 2002, 10:27:14 AM10/31/02
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Gerry Armstrong wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:23:00 -0600 (CST), booboo...@webtv.net
> (Tigger) wrote:
>
>
>>Well I for one, think it is making a mountain out of a molehill to do a
>>webpage on an s.r.s. poster who posts "bad things" about someone.
>
>
> You would, wouldn't you.
>
> By your logic doing anything about fair game is making a mountain out
> of a molehill.


Oh, Puh-LEEZE. Garry gets pissed at being ctiticized and he goes on a
tear against those who piss him off. He does this in cycles. I've been
on the recieving end myself and gotten pissed off in return, though
we've made our peace once again, since I think Garry is, under all the
bluster, quite a sweet fellow, once you get over the bumps. Garry is NOT
the CofS and he isn't practicing "Fair Game", he's just reacting angrily
over the bumps and slights. If he doesn't like you, or anyone else, it
isn't "Fair Game", it's only Garry being mad. Get over it.

You trivialize real Fair Game in the same way that certain other
posters trivialize OSA ops by screaming "OSA" everytime someone
disagrees with them.

It's one more reason why I'm really thinking ars is a waste of my time.
You and a few others may think that's wonderful, but consider this--I'm
far from the only one.


---

Bright Blessings,

Starshadow, KoX, SP5, Official Wiccan Chaplain ARSCC(wdne)
"Scientology in 1986, after fraud judgement in favor
of ex-member Lawrence Wollersheim --'Not one thin dime for
Wollersheim'
Scientology May 9, 2002 before final appeal--
86,746,430 Thin Dimes for Wollersheim." www.factnet.org
www.xenu.net --what the Church of Scientology doesn't want
you to see

arnie lerma - www.lermanet.com

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Oct 31, 2002, 10:39:56 AM10/31/02
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:36:31 +0100, Gerry Armstrong
<ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote:

>On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:23:00 -0600 (CST), booboo...@webtv.net
>(Tigger) wrote:
>
>>Well I for one, think it is making a mountain out of a molehill to do a
>>webpage on an s.r.s. poster who posts "bad things" about someone.

Gerry, goto http://www.lermanet.com/osa/osawhoiswho.htm
find tigger's name. click it and you will find this posting...
with a link to the the bob sold out campaign
and a link to your webpages
your additions and edits requested

You and caroline are doing something right.

The ankle-biters on ARS are proof of this.

Keep up the good work and nice web pages you got there...

But do NOT let OSA's theatrics on this newsgroup play with your
emotions. That is a mistake bob made, which was used to try to create
misery where there once was joy.

Gerry Armstrong

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Oct 31, 2002, 10:53:07 AM10/31/02
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:27:14 -0800, Starshadow
<stars...@starshadow.net> wrote:

>Gerry Armstrong wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:23:00 -0600 (CST), booboo...@webtv.net
>> (Tigger) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Well I for one, think it is making a mountain out of a molehill to do a
>>>webpage on an s.r.s. poster who posts "bad things" about someone.
>>
>>
>> You would, wouldn't you.
>>
>> By your logic doing anything about fair game is making a mountain out
>> of a molehill.
>
>
>Oh, Puh-LEEZE. Garry gets pissed at being ctiticized and he goes on a
>tear against those who piss him off.

That's all sorts of black propagandists' excuse. Do you think it's
wise?

>He does this in cycles.

Isn't that nice. He has you fooled by a nice "pattern."

> I've been
>on the recieving end myself and gotten pissed off in return, though
>we've made our peace once again, since I think Garry is, under all the
>bluster, quite a sweet fellow, once you get over the bumps.

No one I know of is stopping Garry from communicating decently.

> Garry is NOT
>the CofS and he isn't practicing "Fair Game",

Now who else would want it to appear that Garry is not doing the
Miscavige regime's dirty work? LFBD

Yes, Miscavige et al. F/N

Now why don't you address the evil Garry does, and do something to get
him to stop, rather than attacking the targets he's attacking. LF

>he's just reacting angrily
>over the bumps and slights.

Oh, isn't that nice. And the whole Scientology fair game machine is
just reacting over the bumps and slights they get from us wogs (R)
too. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

> If he doesn't like you, or anyone else, it
>isn't "Fair Game", it's only Garry being mad.

But how funny. Fair game isn't fair game. It's just people being mad.
Yes, one has to be very mad to practice fair game. One has to be
sociopathic or psychopathic.

> Get over it.

What silliness.

>
> You trivialize real Fair Game

No, you are trivializing fair game. You don't have clue one about fair
game.

> in the same way that certain other
>posters trivialize OSA ops by screaming "OSA" everytime someone
>disagrees with them.

Oh yes, now we get a big dose of pretended stupidity. Please identify
each of the posters you claim "trivialize OSA ops by screaming "OSA"
everytime someone disagrees with them." And please identify the
instances when this happened. Take as much time as you need. Go.

>
> It's one more reason why I'm really thinking ars is a waste of my time.

You're really thinking. I'll do a Google search and see if this has
ever happened before.

>You and a few others may think that's wonderful, but consider this--I'm
>far from the only one.

Yes, if yours is an example to a.r.s. of really thinking, I can see
where you'd be far from the only one.

But wait, this just arrived

[Quote]

Buggernaut Eval Addition 2

CT 5 If you can't make it all about Bob, and you can't get other
people to make it all about Bob, by correct black PR tech get other
goons to make it look like there all sorts of goons supporting goons.
I/P 31/10/02

[End Quote]

>
>
>---
>
>Bright Blessings,
>
>Starshadow,


© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org

Starshadow

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Oct 31, 2002, 12:43:10 PM10/31/02
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My mistake. I hoped you were at least marginally rational; it seems you
are out to promote some latest stupid conspiracy theory re Minton, who,
btw, YOU brought in, not me.

I won't make that mistake again. You're now in my ignore list. Too bad,
as once upon a time I thought you had a word or two which might be
useful in any real fight against real abuses.

Buh-bye, Gerry. Maybe I'll talk to you again when you become rational. I
won't hold my breath;ars is full of stupid mindless conspiracy theory
kooks these days, and you've proven you're part and parcel of the kookfest.

---
*B*right Blessings,

Tigger

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Oct 31, 2002, 12:45:29 PM10/31/02
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Gerry Armstrong says:

>Starshadow says:
(snip)

>>You trivialize real Fair Game

>No, you are trivializing fair game. You
> don't have clue one about fair game.

HA! From observing your recent posts, Mr. Armstrong, I think it more
likely Starshadow has more clues AND common snese in her little toe than
you do in your whole body.

>>in the same way that certain other
>>posters trivialize OSA ops by screaming
>> "OSA" everytime someone disagrees
>> with them.

>Oh yes, now we get a big dose of
> pretended stupidity. Please identify each
> of the posters you claim "trivialize OSA
> ops by screaming "OSA" everytime
> someone disagrees with them." And
> please identify the instances when this
> happened. Take as much time as you
> need. Go.

Waste of time trying to prove anything to you, Mr. Armstrong, but some
of the biggerst "you're OSA" or "OSA Whores"
or "OSA Pawns" or "you're doing the work of OSA" throwers have been Bob
Minton, Arnie Lerma, Tory/Magoo and Dilbert Perkins And most of the
time it has been because someone dared to disagree with King Bob and/or
Concubine Stacy and/or Prince Arnie or Princess Tory.

Starshadow

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Oct 31, 2002, 1:22:12 PM10/31/02
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Don't forget Prince Gerry. Lots of gangbanging lately on those who dare
criticize his pet conspiracies.

---
Bright Blessings,

Tigger

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Oct 31, 2002, 1:13:59 PM10/31/02
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Date: Thu, Oct 31, 2002, 3:36pm (CST+7) From: ge...@gerryarmstrong.org
(Gerry Armstrong) wrote:

>On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:23:00 -0600
> (CST), booboo...@webtv.net
> (Tigger) wrote:

>>Well I for one, think it is making a
>> mountain out of a molehill to do a
>> webpage on an s.r.s. poster who posts
>> "bad things" about someone.

>You would, wouldn't you.

Mr. Armstrong, you would agree that people can get pissed and call
people names, etc. which have nothing at all to do with Scientology or
REAL "Fair Game", wouldn't you?

>By your logic doing anything about fair
> game is making a mountain out of a
> molehill.

There you go again, trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
Posting angry words on a newsgroup when bad things have been posted
about him/her in NO WAY equates with the "FAIR GAME" practiced by
Scientologists. It just shows that one should not post while angry,
which is what you are doing right now. Your and your "girlfriend's"
plan to put up a website and DA an a.r.s. poster smacks a little too
close to the REAL "Fair GAme" than is comfortable.

>Hey, looked at in the Scientological way,
> making a webpage about killing
> someone is making a mountain out of a
> molehill.

There you go again, trying to make a mountain out of what I posted which
wasn't even a molehill. Has Garry killed anyone?

>But very funny. You say nothing about
> Garry's vicious, hateful posts, but attack
> their wog (R) victims.

I wasn't attacking you. I was expressing an opinion that what you and
your "girlfriend" plan to do with a website was ridiculous.

> Are you suddenly becoming a
> throwaway?

Are you implying that you will killfile me?
Please do. And might I suggest you killfile Garry too, if you can't
handle what he says in a post without hyping up a website.

Tigger

BTW I have noticed Arnie Lerma has shown you the way to his "FAIR GAME"
website where he makes ridiculous false accusations about many
people........true
Scientological FAIR GAME style. Apparently something you think is OK
and plan to copy?

Fluffygirl

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Oct 31, 2002, 2:06:39 PM10/31/02
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"Magoo" <mag...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3dc0...@news2.lightlink.com...
> agreed....
>
> Go read the book yourself,,,,and then look in the mirror. For you to tell
> ~~anyone~~ they are "Co-Dependent" is just as bad as Scientologists
labeling
> people 1.1/pts/sp/downtone/blah blah blah.
>
> Start DOING something other than labeling. It's a pisspoor habit with zero
> results.
>

The thing about the co-dependent text is that it could be made to fit
anybody.

And that's just not fair.

No more than quoting some author's ideas about arrogance and insecurity and
foisting them off on that person.

People aren't pages in a book.

Love comes where it will and just because we all put up with the flaws of
our loved ones (and they put up with ours!!) doesn't mean we are
co-dependent.

Doesn't mean we're NOT, either. It depends.

BUT--

But I do know one thing, it's no one's business if a relationship between
two consenting and law abiding adults is or is not co-dependent or anything
else.

C


Rod Keller

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Oct 31, 2002, 3:11:34 PM10/31/02
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arnie lerma - www.lermanet.com <ale...@nospam.bellatlantic.net> wrote:
> Gerry, goto http://www.lermanet.com/osa/osawhoiswho.htm
> find tigger's name. click it and you will find this posting...
> with a link to the the bob sold out campaign
> and a link to your webpages
> your additions and edits requested
>
> You and caroline are doing something right.
>
> The ankle-biters on ARS are proof of this.
>
> Keep up the good work and nice web pages you got there...
>
> But do NOT let OSA's theatrics on this newsgroup play with your
> emotions. That is a mistake bob made, which was used to try to create
> misery where there once was joy.

I don't think there's much danger of that. Gerry is a person who appears
at peace with himself, not a basket of fluctuating emotions like some. I
admire his ability to keep his cool under pressure.

--
Rod Keller / rke...@voicenet.com / Irresponsible Publisher
Black Hat #1 / Expert of the Toilet / CWPD Mouthpiece
The Lerma Apologist / Merchant of Chaos / Vision of Destruction
Killer Rod / OSA Patsy / Quasi-Scieno / Mental Bully

arnie lerma - www.lermanet.com

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Oct 31, 2002, 3:17:31 PM10/31/02
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:13:59 -0600 (CST), booboo...@webtv.net
(Tigger) wrote:

"Your and your "girlfriend's"
plan to put up a website and DA an a.r.s. poster smacks a little too
close to the REAL "Fair GAme" than is comfortable."

Tigger, at best yer a sociopath and worst yer osa
its difficult to tell the difference

Tigger

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Oct 31, 2002, 7:06:13 PM10/31/02
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Arnie Lerma says:

>Tigger, at best yer a sociopath and worst
> yer osa its difficult to tell the difference

SOCIOPATH????? OSA?????? On Thank GOD I'm not a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

Tigger, who is so antisocial, she never met a stranger she didn't talk
to.

Garry

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Oct 31, 2002, 9:07:27 PM10/31/02
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Starshadow <stars...@starshadow.net> wrote in message news:<3DC14BD2...@starshadow.net>...

> >
> > By your logic doing anything about fair game is making a mountain out
> > of a molehill.
>
> Oh, Puh-LEEZE. Garry gets pissed at being ctiticized and he goes on a
> tear against those who piss him off. He does this in cycles. I've been
> on the recieving end myself and gotten pissed off in return, though
> we've made our peace once again, since I think Garry is, under all the
> bluster, quite a sweet fellow, once you get over the bumps. Garry is NOT
> the CofS and he isn't practicing "Fair Game", he's just reacting angrily
> over the bumps and slights. If he doesn't like you, or anyone else, it
> isn't "Fair Game", it's only Garry being mad. Get over it.

Growl!!!!! Mew...
>

Starshadow

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Oct 31, 2002, 10:34:31 PM10/31/02
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Prrrrrrr....

sure

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Oct 31, 2002, 10:50:01 PM10/31/02
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ge...@gerryarmstrong.org wrote...

>Oh yes, now we get a big dose of pretended stupidity. Please identify
>each of the posters you claim "trivialize OSA ops by screaming "OSA"
>everytime someone disagrees with them." And please identify the
>instances when this happened. Take as much time as you need. Go.


Here is one:


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Tigger, at best yer a sociopath and worst yer osa

its difficult to tell the difference.

Tigger

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Gerry Armstrong says:

>Tigger says:

>>If you have a problem with Garry or his >>posts, keep it on a.r.s.

>Yes sir!

>>and post, don't make it into such a big >>deal with webpages.

>Good idea. Give me the url for your
> website so I can check out how you're
> doing it.

I don't have a webpage, Mr. Armstrong, but if you want a clue about how
to do it right, take a look at the excellent way Cheryl Sola does it.

After all it's about the abuses of Scientology not the angry words of
Garry Scarff or Gerry Armstrong and/or his girlfriend.

http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/Scientology

http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/Scientology/csc/cscindex.html

For those of you who have joined us after October 31, 2001, please visit
last year's "Scientology Haunted House" at
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/Scientology/gypped/Gypped2.htm

Gerry Armstrong

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Nov 1, 2002, 4:45:31 AM11/1/02
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Thank you. What you've produced serves as part of the proof that
Tigger is a big stuffed liar.

This is a good start.

Surely no matter how stupid Suzi pretends to be she can't pretend to
be stupid enough to pretend to be stupid enough to pretend that only
one person ever disagreed with Arnie Lerma.

Did I say Suzi? I meant Tigger.

I mean I have myself disagreed with Arnie, and he never screamed OSA.

So why is Tigger such a liar? Yes, why are you such a liar, Tigger?

© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org

Gerry Armstrong

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On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:13:15 -0600 (CST), booboo...@webtv.net
(Tigger) wrote:

>Gerry Armstrong says:
>
>>Tigger says:
>
>>>If you have a problem with Garry or his >>posts, keep it on a.r.s.
>
>>Yes sir!
>
>>>and post, don't make it into such a big >>deal with webpages.
>
>>Good idea. Give me the url for your
>> website so I can check out how you're
>> doing it.
>
>I don't have a webpage, Mr. Armstrong, but if you want a clue about how
>to do it right, take a look at the excellent way Cheryl Sola does it.

Oh please, yes your site building knowledge is obviously so very
valuable.

Please identify each item on our website that leads you to your
obviously informed conclusion that we haven't a clue about how to do
it right.

Please then detail exactly what is in error with each item that leads
you to your obviously informed conclusion that that item demonstrates
that we have no clue about doing it right.

And then please identify each item on Ms. Sola's website which leads
you to your informed conclusion that she is doing it right, and then
contrast each to the items you've identified on Ms. Sola's site to the
items you've identified on our site, and show how in each instance Ms.
Sola has a clue and we do not.

You'd really love to get us playing dueling websites, wouldn't you?

>After all it's about the abuses of Scientology not the angry words of
>Garry Scarff or Gerry Armstrong and/or his girlfriend.

Oh, please do identify the angry words of me or Caroline you say our
site is all about. Here I'll leave you space:


May I suggest you retread your Black PR Course?


>
>http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/Scientology
>
>http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/Scientology/csc/cscindex.html
>
>For those of you who have joined us after October 31, 2001, please visit
>last year's "Scientology Haunted House" at
>http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/Scientology/gypped/Gypped2.htm
>


© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org

Tigger

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Geesh, as I have said before, apparently we do not speak the same
English.

1. I DO NOT have a website.

2. Your plan to DA Garry Scarff because of his angry words in a.r.s.
posts is ridiculous. If people followed your and Lerma's examples,
there would be scores of webpages about people and issues which have
nothing to do with Scientology, which is exactly what Scientology
wants.

3. So Lerma has never called you OSA. He has called many people OSA
and made ridiculous, false accusations about them. His OSA list is like
a scientological SP hit list.

4. I was not referring to anything on your webpages. The ISSUE was
your plan to collect Gary Scarff's a.r.s. posts and DA him. My point
was that you should forget about a DA webpage on Scarff and stick to the
REAL abuses and crimes of Scientology like Cheryl Sola did from Lisa
McPherson to Raul Lopez to Graham Berry.

Geesh, trying to communicate with you is more difficult than trying to
communicate with Arnie Lerma. Calling someone a liar is asinine unless
you (at the very least) list the lie(s) which you think someone has
told.

Tigger

Gerry Armstrong

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On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:17:06 -0600 (CST), booboo...@webtv.net
(Tigger) wrote:

Please post exactly what you are responding to. Otherwise what you
post is gibberish. I understand that you might want it to be
gibberish. That's standard comm "tech" for Scientology agents, so it's
well recognized here. Nevertheless, it's still gibberish. So please
post *exacttly* what you're responding to, so that, as Claire says, we
can actually have a discussion.

You have a nasty habit of snipping my communications to which you're
pretending to respond. If you post exactly what I wrote that you're
pretending to respond to we can cut through the pretense.

That's fair request, don't you think?


© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org

Zorrosblade........Z

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On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:45:29 -0600 (CST), booboo...@webtv.net
(Tigger) wrote:

>Gerry Armstrong says:
>
>>Starshadow says:
> (snip)
>
>

>Waste of time trying to prove anything to you, Mr. Armstrong, but some
>of the biggerst "you're OSA" or "OSA Whores"
>or "OSA Pawns" or "you're doing the work of OSA" throwers have been Bob
>Minton, Arnie Lerma, Tory/Magoo and Dilbert Perkins And most of the
>time it has been because someone dared to disagree with King Bob and/or
>Concubine Stacy and/or Prince Arnie or Princess Tory.
>
>Tigger
>
>
>

tsk tsk Tigger--please don't try to get away with that "Concubine"
qualification for Stacy to hide your 'historic' tracks as how you
*did* qualify her. I'll try jarring your memory a bit, or maybe it
really doesn't need 'jarring' seeing as you know what I'm about to
outline. Can't we ever be friends?

On checking Google/groups I discovered to my *amazement* after
clicking page after page, that Tigger uses the term *Whore* like a
bigoted red neck uses "Nigger", (BIG KAUG), which definitely comes
under the category of *BIG* use that Tiggers charging her targets with
in the above.

I wonder if some statistician on ARS could web a comparison chart of
how many times Tigger uses the term *Whore* vs. others for that
comparative analysis. Sounds like a good project to me seeing as
Tigger is obsessed with reiterating WHORE ad nauseum..

Since you claim your above targets are some of the biggest users of
"Whore", I thought I'd maybe finish that list for you seeing as your
one of the most prolific users. Ouuuch!----hypocrisy doth bite,
doesn't it Tigger. It stings like Cleopatra's asp when you accuse
others of what your doing yourself.

Now lets see if you'll follow up with a retort saying; "I was using
the WHORE term because they were throwing it at me first". Forget
about that rationalized move. Too obvious and childishly limp. You
have to take full responsibility for using that term on your own even
if others used it against you. No? You don't understand why? Lets
examine just a few pages of Tigger using the word *WHORE* against
others, and not just for Stacy and Bob. Bunnyann, Keller, Bunker,
Lerma, you might not want to be reminded of some of these.

Before I get to them, I was recently accused of having too many lines
in a post, but I can't help it for this one seeing as I have to be
exact as a reporter. A reporters job is never done. Where's my Fedora?


To Find >snips in full context:
(Google/groups/advanced/category "with all of the words": *whore*
placed in that field box. "Return only messages with the author:
*Tigger* placed in that lower field box)


Tiggers *whore* >snip results:


snip>
"Some people, including Charlie and JimdBB, take great umbrage when
anyone calls Stacy Brooks a mistress and/or a whore. Apparently they
think anyone who uses that word has a twisted brain or a flawed
character."

"WHORE:
A person considered as having compromised principles for personal
gain.

Brooks was a whore in several ways. She was not only a sexual whore
for Minton, she was also a lying whore for OSA.

There is evidence that Brooks was all three, adulterers, mistress and
whore. There is evidence that she is still two....
MISTRESS and WHORE."

snip>
"She also happens to have been an adultereress and could be considered
to be a whore, especially in the context of betraying her friends to
get "something" from the COS.


snip>
There is a different between calling me a "chigger" (I am not a
chigger) and calling Brooks "a mistress, adulteress and a whore."
(Brooks is a mistress, adlteress and a whore.)

snip>
"Champion snipper, distortor, liar and Minton Whore, MARK BUNKER
snips, distorts and lies when he says:"

"As for credibility, mine disappeared a long time ago..."

snip>
"He has not admitted his mistakes......he has deliberately lied and
IMO,conspired with the COS to set up his "freind", Ken Dandar, who
trusted him, so he (Minton) and his OSA Whore (Brooks) would not have
to pay the price for his/her "mistakes".That's about the lowest any
human being can get.


snip>
And his own personal OSA whore, Stacy Brooks, apparently suffers from
"selective memory loss". She can remember what Ken Dandar said, when
and where they met etc. through the years, but she can't remember a
couple of weeks ago who was at a meeting, when it occureed and what
happened there? As John Stousel says, "GIVE ME/US A BREAK".


snip>
Not nearly as obvious as Minton being an OSA Whore for six months
and Stacy being one for longer than that. If they had not chosen to
lie for the COS, and if Minton had not injected himself and his
business into the case and used Lisa McPherson's death for his own
purposes, this case could have been heard, won and over with.

snip>
LOL Mr. Keller:

You are really anxious to whore for Minton/OSA, aren't you? Minton
must be really desperate to accomplish what Rinder/Yingling want him
to do.

snip>
Dear Mr. Bunker,

You are so intent on telling a.r.s. posters what YOU THINK I meant
when I posted.

I am sure a.r.s. would be more interested in what YOU THINK about
Stacy Brooks and Robert S. Minton, Jr. being witnesses for Mike
Rinder/OSA/COS, Lisa McPherson's death, if Minton evaded taxes,
laundered money, will go to jail, etc.

But you're more interested in doing the bidding of
Minton/Brooks/Rinder/OSA, aren't you? Doesn't that make you an OSA
Whore?


snip>
Here is one cute little Stacy OSA Whore trick to undermine the
Wollersheim case.


snip>
Oh yeah, Arnie,

"Folks" like lying traitor Robert S. (Bob) Minton and his OSA Whore,
Stacy Brooks, who judged the right thing to do was cross over the
bridge to Hubbardsville. Wow that was really great judgement. I
don't know whether to laugh or puke......... You are a joke and you
make me sick.


snip>
Minton has a pattern of behavior here and I don't think the pattern
changes no matter who it is that is his target du jour. IMO he is a
control freak (who has been controlled by his personal OSA Whore) and
who is now being controlled by OSA.

snip>
How low will Minton go to save himself and his OSA WHORE?

snip>
Mark Bunker, champopm Bullshiter, snipper, Minton Whore, and distorter
of fact (LIAR) says:

snip>
Wow, how many lies can an OSA Whore tell in seven days? Bullshiter
Stacy Brooks must have won the World Champion Bullshit Crown for her
marathon lying. Gee I hope Minton has enough money for soap,
disinfectant and perfume...........Stacy must be smelling pretty
rotten after seven days of rolling

[In response to Mark Bunker]
snip>
P.S. Apparently you are not suicidal, only an asinine and pathetic
Minton Whore .......so don't expect me to feel sorry for you again.


snip>
ROBERT S. (BOB) MINTON and his OSA WHORE, STACY
BROOKS screwed Mr. Dandar BIG TIME.
So keep twisting and turning, Mark Bunker. You can not turn the
lying coward extortionist, Robert Shitass Minton, into the hero he
never was.

snip>
It's time to wake up, Dilbert. The critic's dream has turned into
the critic's worst nightmare. Minton's on OSA's side now. Minton is
the OSA WHORE. Minton sold his soul to the Devil.

snip>
Well Lex,
I don't know about the IRC channel FAIR GAMES, but I would agree that
99 per cent of Ms Cox's a.r.s. posts resemble FAIR GAME.

Therefore, Ms Elizabeth Ann Cox, a.k.a. Bunnyann, is awarded a
BUNNYRAT TURD for being a MINTON WHORE above and beyond the call of
duty. :-)

<clap, clap, whistle, whistle, Hooray, Hooray>


snip>
Perhaps the Motion Picture Academy will start a new category just for
you...... HOW TO BLACK PR A MOVIE YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN
.....congratulations your best skills are being put to good use,
talking to stuffed animals, looking in the mirror and posting what you
see to attack others and being a MINTON WHORE.
KUDOS! You have won A FAT BUNNYRAT TURD.


snip>
Sorry my declining your "honest" invitation pissed you off and wasn't
up to your ladylike standards and manners. Perhaps I should have
called you Bunnyass Idiot OSA Whore instead of Ms Cox?

snip>
LOL at the rate Merrett is going, perhaps Minton should look in his
own back yard for the dreaded "OSA Whore".

___
___

TIGGER!!!---the use of the word WHORE is a sign of mysogeny when used
against women or used as an intended 'slight' towards men. HOW DARE
YOU!!! I NEVER want to hear such mysogenous spittle spewing from your
turbid lips again. I DEMAND an apology to all Women everywhere for
such egregious and blustering mysogeny behavior. I'm calling Gloria
Steinem right now to inform her of your lugubrious turn-coat
jowl-jacking towards free women everywhere!! SHAME on you :(


Zorrosblade
(Karma facilitator at your service. Alllll aboard!!...Watch your step
mam, oh, I mean Tigger)

**
Complimentary terms describing Zorrosblade:

"Psychological Terrorist". "Big Bad Wolf": Tigger
"Rusty Knife": Starshanker

Come on girls, I'm just a swell pal trying to 'get along'. Can we ever
be friends? I have that audio cassette tape which we should listen to
for ironing out our differences :-)

Try using the term "Love" once in a while will ya?, like I do for all
my posts. I'm Ghandi in disguise. Where's my loin cloth for christs
sakes??

(Z-blade leading a chorus from the famous Beatles song; "All you need
is Love", at an ARS camp Fire outing with all hands waving back and
forth in the air to the music, reminiscent of an out-door Grateful
Dead 'love fest')

Z:
Ready Guys??

ARS:
"YESSSS!"

Z:
"Alllll together now and wave those HANDDDS----NOW!


Z- singing with ARS:
"ALLLLL YOU NEED IS LLLOVE----da da da da daaaa----All You need is
LLLOVE----da da da da daaaaaa---ALLLL you NEED IS LOVE---love----Love
is ALL you NEED...... ALL you NEED IS LOVE----da da da da daaaa----ALL
you NEED IS LLLOVE---da da da da daaaa-----ALL YOU NEED IS
love----LOVE----Love is all you need"

Above chorus sung 50 times with the grand finale ending it all:


"SHE LOVES YOU YAAAA YAAAA YA------SHE LOVES YOU YAAAA YAAAA YA---SHE
LOVES YOU YAAAA YAAAA YA" "She LOVES YOU YAAAA YAAAA YA" etc for 35
minutes running.

Marshmallows toasted over camp fire by all after last chorus.



Starshadow

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Tigger wrote:
> Geesh, as I have said before, apparently we do not speak the same
> English.
>
> 1. I DO NOT have a website.
>
> 2. Your plan to DA Garry Scarff because of his angry words in a.r.s.
> posts is ridiculous. If people followed your and Lerma's examples,
> there would be scores of webpages about people and issues which have
> nothing to do with Scientology, which is exactly what Scientology
> wants.
>
> 3. So Lerma has never called you OSA. He has called many people OSA
> and made ridiculous, false accusations about them. His OSA list is like
> a scientological SP hit list.
>
> 4. I was not referring to anything on your webpages. The ISSUE was
> your plan to collect Gary Scarff's a.r.s. posts and DA him. My point
> was that you should forget about a DA webpage on Scarff and stick to the
> REAL abuses and crimes of Scientology like Cheryl Sola did from Lisa
> McPherson to Raul Lopez to Graham Berry.
>
> Geesh, trying to communicate with you is more difficult than trying to
> communicate with Arnie Lerma. Calling someone a liar is asinine unless
> you (at the very least) list the lie(s) which you think someone has
> told.
>

Tigger, trying to communicate with the irrational is wasted effort.
Gerry and Arnie are both irrational people. The post where he accuses
you of "gibberish" after this is an example of his total kookery and
irrationality. If I were you, I'd just ignore him. He isn't worth it.

Maybe if he has no more enemies to attack he'll go back to exposing
the crimes of the CofS. Maybe.

barb

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Nov 1, 2002, 9:09:33 AM11/1/02
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Please don't feed the tigger, Gerry. At its best, it's capable of
transferring messages from the OC message board to ARS. At worst, it's
nothing but Dev-T, interminably long threads, and living proof that
stupidity combined with an unpleasant nature and a WebTV hookup is a
Really Bad Thing.
--
Rev. Barb
Church of Xenu, San Diego
Chaplain, ARSCC
http://members.cox.net/bwarr1/index.htm


"$cientology sees the world this way: One man with a picket sign:
terrorism. Five thousand people dead in a deliberate inferno: business
opportunity.

$cientology oozes _under_ terrorists to hide."
-Chris Leithiser

Gerry Armstrong

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On Fri, 01 Nov 2002 06:03:20 -0800, Starshadow
<stars...@starshadow.net> wrote:

>
> Tigger, trying to communicate with the irrational is wasted effort.
>Gerry and Arnie are both irrational people. The post where he accuses
>you of "gibberish" after this is an example of his total kookery and
>irrationality. If I were you, I'd just ignore him. He isn't worth it.
>
> Maybe if he has no more enemies to attack he'll go back to exposing
>the crimes of the CofS. Maybe.
>---
>
>Bright Blessings,
>
>Starshadow, KoX, SP5, Official Wiccan Chaplain ARSCC(wdne)
>"Scientology in 1986, after fraud judgement in favor
>of ex-member Lawrence Wollersheim --'Not one thin dime for
>Wollersheim'
>Scientology May 9, 2002 before final appeal--
>86,746,430 Thin Dimes for Wollersheim." www.factnet.org
>www.xenu.net --what the Church of Scientology doesn't want
>you to see

Oh, this just rcvd. Thank you to whoever is forwarding these updates.
Someone must be very close to this DM Msn. Thanks.

[Quote]

Buggernaut Eval Addition 3

CT 6 If it's really impossible to make it all about Bob, and really
impossible to get other people to make it all about Bob, by correct
black PR tech get some goons to make it look like the goons are the
victims of black PR. Done 01/11/02

CT 6A Find some goon goony enough to charge that the goons' target is
a goon. Done 01/11/02

CT 6A Once you have made it look, by the 6A goon's charge, that the
target of the goons is himself a goon, recall all the goons for ethics
handling and rebriefing on the new DM Advices. I/P 01/11/02

VT 1 Never be reasonable. Done.

VT 2 Never be rational. Done.

VT 3. In all circumstances accuse your wog (R) targets of the crimes
and antisocial acts you're committing before you're accused of them.
I/P

VT 4 Keep in your 12 characteristics of an SP at all times. Slam this
in hard if any goon or anyone else on the Buggernaut Pgm gets
reasonable.

[End Quote]


© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org

Gerry Armstrong

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On Fri, 01 Nov 2002 06:09:33 -0800, barb <bwa...@cox.net> wrote:

>Gerry Armstrong wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:17:06 -0600 (CST), booboo...@webtv.net
>> (Tigger) wrote:
>>
>> Please post exactly what you are responding to. Otherwise what you
>> post is gibberish. I understand that you might want it to be
>> gibberish. That's standard comm "tech" for Scientology agents, so it's
>> well recognized here. Nevertheless, it's still gibberish. So please
>> post *exacttly* what you're responding to, so that, as Claire says, we
>> can actually have a discussion.
>>
>> You have a nasty habit of snipping my communications to which you're
>> pretending to respond. If you post exactly what I wrote that you're
>> pretending to respond to we can cut through the pretense.
>>
>> That's fair request, don't you think?
>>
>> © Gerry Armstrong
>> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
>
>Please don't feed the tigger, Gerry. At its best, it's capable of
>transferring messages from the OC message board to ARS. At worst, it's
>nothing but Dev-T, interminably long threads, and living proof that
>stupidity combined with an unpleasant nature and a WebTV hookup is a
>Really Bad Thing.

Gnaw. The stupidity is completely pretended. The WebTV deal is a
cover. You're absolutely right about it being Dev-T. But it's
Miscavige ordered Dev-T. Therefore it has some intel value. I mean
besides showing how stupid DM is too to invest in pretended stupidity
as the winning valence.

© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org

Starshadow

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Nov 1, 2002, 10:04:09 AM11/1/02
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Get some medication. You're the one now on about Minton. You've brought
him up twice to me in totally unrelated threads, so you're not only a
total loon, you're a liar as well.

Go get competant medical help. You need it.

Starshadow

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Totally fucking insane. Bugfuck crazy.

If you think Tigger and I are OSA you're certifiably paranoid
schizophrenic.

And that Barb Warr is rah-rahing you, is no endorsement. To think I
once thought she had a modicum of intellect. Feh.

No wonder CofS doesn't bother having their nutcases post here
anymore. The resident nutcases are even crazier than they are.

Gerry Armstrong

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Nov 1, 2002, 10:30:42 AM11/1/02
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This just in. And thanks, contributors. Keep those updates coming.

[Quote]

Buggernaut Eval Addition 4

Policy: Per R Advices, "Attack, attack, attack!" Reissued as a DM
Advice: "Attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack,
attack, attack, attack, attack!

OT 10. In your stupidest pretended stupidity valence, tell the target
to get some medication.

OT 11. After one or another mission goon has tried to make it all
about Minton, accuse the target of being the one now on about Minton.

OT 12. As stupidly as you can, accuse the target of bringing Minton up
in totally unrelated threads.

OT 13. As stupidly as you can, and with a straight face, accuse the
target of being a loon.

CT 8. If you encounter any difficulty keeping a straight face, bill
and drill the Goodrich Eval.

OT 14. With all your fingers crossed, and as stupidly as you're
capable of being, accuse the target of being a liar.

OT 15. As stupidly as you can, again pretend that you're being an
idiot pretending to be a doctor pretending to be an idiot and make
some insane diagnosis about the target needing competent medical help.

OT 16. By being as stupid as is possible for you, follow this inanity
with a further stupidity as an idiot pretending to be a doctor
pretending to be an idiot and make some idiotc statement to reinforce
the just stated insane diagnosis; e.g., you need it.

Cerridwen

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"Starshadow" <stars...@starshadow.net> wrote in message

news:3DC298E8...@starshadow.net...


> Gerry Armstrong wrote:
> > On Fri, 01 Nov 2002 06:09:33 -0800, barb <bwa...@cox.net> wrote:
> >

> >>
> >>Please don't feed the tigger, Gerry. At its best, it's capable of
> >>transferring messages from the OC message board to ARS. At worst,
it's
> >>nothing but Dev-T, interminably long threads, and living proof that
> >>stupidity combined with an unpleasant nature and a WebTV hookup is a
> >>Really Bad Thing.
> >
> >
> > Gnaw. The stupidity is completely pretended. The WebTV deal is a
> > cover. You're absolutely right about it being Dev-T. But it's
> > Miscavige ordered Dev-T. Therefore it has some intel value. I mean
> > besides showing how stupid DM is too to invest in pretended
stupidity
> > as the winning valence.
> >
>
> Totally fucking insane. Bugfuck crazy.

Yup


>
> If you think Tigger and I are OSA you're certifiably paranoid
> schizophrenic.

Yup


>
> And that Barb Warr is rah-rahing you, is no endorsement. To think
> I once thought she had a modicum of intellect. Feh.


Yup. But I think it's more of a hip hip hooray than a rah rah.

>
> No wonder CofS doesn't bother having their nutcases post here
> anymore. The resident nutcases are even crazier than they are.

Yup.

Just like the LRH and the C of S, anyone that crtiticizes Gerry is
part of an evil SP conspiracy. So I guess that would include me as
part of that conspiracy as well. ;-)

Cerri
--
"Informing people doesn't involve trying to silence those who
disagree with you." --Prignillius


barb

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Nov 1, 2002, 12:38:38 PM11/1/02
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Ah, Gerry. In the wog world, sometimes a cigar IS just a cigar, and an
idiot is just that and no more. I think that Tigger is just what I said;
a not very bright individual with no life and a WebTV hookup. While it's
true that some of her actions (and those of her fellows, you know who
you are) seem to mimic an OSA agenda, there is a certain cult texture
that is lacking in her posts.
Yes, she can generate long threads intentionally, utter Dev-T. But that
could relate to her need for attention as she seems to have very little
life outside of ARS. She also lacks the surety of superiority and the
subtle (and not so) traits which indicate exposure to Hubbard mental
conditioning.

There are many parallels in nature. The spiral of a sea shell is not a
galUXy, although there are resemblances.

However, I've been wrong before! <G>

Garry

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Gerry Armstrong <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message news:<8ui4sugml13c9q2l7...@4ax.com>...

>
> So why is Tigger such a liar? Yes, why are you such a liar, Tigger?
>
> © Gerry Armstrong
> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org

1. Why are such a coward, Gerry, running from the U.S. to Canada and
now to Germany?

2. When's the last time you were gainfully employed and receiving a
paycheck as of your 56th birthday?

3. Exactly how much money did you received from Bob Minton and Brian
Haney?

4. How come you never reported the $100,000 you received from Bob
Minton and others to the Canadian tax authorities? So you enjoy being
a tax evader as well?

5. Why do you lie to the women you seduce and then discard them like
trash when you no longer have any more use for them?

6. Why did you give signed pieces of paper to various critics, telling
them to hold onto them until the day you became famous and they could
sell them for big profits?

7. Why did you call everybody that disagrees with you or doesn't
adhere to your personal agenda - OSA, Liars, etc. etc?

8. Why are you such a sociopathic narcissist, Gerry?

Starshadow

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Nov 1, 2002, 1:07:57 PM11/1/02
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Welcome to the club. Anymore there are a handful of posters I bother to
read religiously; you belong to that select few too.

Tilman Hausherr

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Nov 1, 2002, 1:07:09 PM11/1/02
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On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:17:06 -0600 (CST), booboo...@webtv.net (Tigger)
wrote in <14664-3D...@storefull-2278.public.lawson.webtv.net>:

>The ISSUE was
>your plan to collect Gary Scarff's a.r.s. posts and DA him. My point
>was that you should forget about a DA webpage on Scarff and stick to the
>REAL abuses and crimes of Scientology like Cheryl Sola did from Lisa
>McPherson to Raul Lopez to Graham Berry.

I hate to say that, but there's a truth there. Scarff is an unimportant
and mentally ill person with no life or friends (except invisible ones)
who desperatly wants attention. He isn't really worth it in the long
term (i.e. a web page). Use the little time you have to document your
story.

Tilman

--
Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP5.55] Entheta * Enturbulation * Entertainment
til...@berlin.snafu.de http://www.xenu.de

Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails.

Find broken links on your web site: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html
The Xenu bookstore: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/bookstore.html

Rod Keller

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Nov 1, 2002, 1:34:12 PM11/1/02
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Gerry Armstrong <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote:
> Gnaw. The stupidity is completely pretended. The WebTV deal is a
> cover. You're absolutely right about it being Dev-T. But it's
> Miscavige ordered Dev-T. Therefore it has some intel value. I mean
> besides showing how stupid DM is too to invest in pretended stupidity
> as the winning valence.

If we all pray for the demise of WebTV maybe we can be rid of it forever.
:-)

Tigger

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Nov 1, 2002, 2:39:42 PM11/1/02
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ZBlade says:

(snip)

Gee thanks, ZBlade, you're such a doll. :-)
Although your motives for doing all that work are questionable, I do
thank you for doing it. Whenever I called anyone a whore or an OSA
Whore, there was ample proof to back it up. There was evidence to call
Stacy a whore and to call Minton an OSA Whore and to accuse Bunker and
Keller of being Minton/Brooks whores which boils down to OSA Whores for
Rinder.

Lerma, Tory, Perkins, Minton and Armstrong, on the other hand, call
(called) people OSA whores without any real proof that they are......all
they have to do was say something negative about or disagree with
Minton and/or Brooks and even if what was said was true amd justifed,
they got DA'd and on Lerma's OSA list.

I remember one poster, who grew up in Scientology and knew Stacy who saw
her doing the same manipulation out of Scientoogy as she did when she
was in.

Stephen Jones

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Nov 1, 2002, 2:41:20 PM11/1/02
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Zorrosblade........Z <zorro...@operamail.com> wrote in
news:9tj4sugmvo41a4cfq...@4ax.com:

<snip: Zblade proves Tigger has used the word "whore" a lot.>

>
> TIGGER!!!---the use of the word WHORE is a sign of mysogeny when
> used against women or used as an intended 'slight' towards men.
> HOW DARE YOU!!! I NEVER want to hear such mysogenous spittle
> spewing from your turbid lips again. I DEMAND an apology to all
> Women everywhere for such egregious and blustering mysogeny
> behavior. I'm calling Gloria Steinem right now to inform her of
> your lugubrious turn-coat jowl-jacking towards free women
> everywhere!! SHAME on you :(

You're upset. Calling you on your hatred of women has upset you and
now you're angry. You grab the icons and words that have hurt you
and you throw them back. I'm not a doctor, but that sounds pretty
good.

Sadly, you grabbed all the wrong words, dating yourself in the
process and reinforcing the perception that you really do hate
women. Gloria Steinem? Who the hell cares about Gloria Steinem?
Free women? Again, what in the hell?

You're welcome to your anger, but amping and tweaking the
testosterone in retaliation for the perceived wounds inflicted by
the boogeyman feminism is just a big, red clown nose of compressed
stupid.

I know this is all terribly off-topic, but your squirting was
getting to be a bit much.

Also, you're obviously not a stupid person. I always find it
interesting to see not stupid people seemingly unaware that they are
shaped pretzel ways by a particular dogma and wonder about my own
imperceptible pretzel shape.


> Zorrosblade
> (Karma facilitator at your service. Alllll aboard!!...Watch your
> step mam, oh, I mean Tigger)

The anger. The anger. Oh...the gender anger.

Stephen Jones

Nessie

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Nov 1, 2002, 4:39:07 PM11/1/02
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"Tigger" <booboo...@webtv.net> schreef in bericht
news:23445-3D...@storefull-2274.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> Well I for one, think it is making a mountain out of a molehill to do a
> webpage on an s.r.s. poster who posts "bad things" about someone. What
> a waste of time and effort when you could be spending the time on more
> important things. Plus it's pisspoor mean and despicable to go to such
> lengths over someone who is not a threat like Scientology is.
>
> If you have a problem with Garry or his posts, keep it on a.r.s. and
> post, don't make it into such a big deal with webpages. Heck, I am sure
> there are lots of people who would like to shout it to the world when
> they are badmouthed by another a.r.s. poster, but making a special
> webpage about it is ridiculous when you can refute it where the attack
> occurred.
> And such a counterattack will not stop Garry from expressing his
> opinions any which way he wants to.

Critics making hate pages on other critics is counter productive.
The makers of such place themselves in the same category as
scientology. It's bad enough scientology does 'Fair Game', but it's
worse when critics, who complain about scientology's tactics,
resort to the same kind of dirty play.

I am not saying who is right or wrong here, but to have Gerry
shut up in such a way will only encourage him further. For that
I cannot even blame him.

Nessie.
http://nessie.psychassualt.org/
http://whyaretheydead.net/


Nessie

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Nov 1, 2002, 4:42:52 PM11/1/02
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"Nessie" <ness...@SPAMpsychassualt.org> schreef in bericht
news:3dc2...@news2.lightlink.com...

>
> "Tigger" <booboo...@webtv.net> schreef in bericht
> news:23445-3D...@storefull-2274.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> > Well I for one, think it is making a mountain out of a molehill to do a
> > webpage on an s.r.s. poster who posts "bad things" about someone. What
> > a waste of time and effort when you could be spending the time on more
> > important things. Plus it's pisspoor mean and despicable to go to such
> > lengths over someone who is not a threat like Scientology is.
> >
> > If you have a problem with Garry or his posts, keep it on a.r.s. and
> > post, don't make it into such a big deal with webpages. Heck, I am sure
> > there are lots of people who would like to shout it to the world when
> > they are badmouthed by another a.r.s. poster, but making a special
> > webpage about it is ridiculous when you can refute it where the attack
> > occurred.
> > And such a counterattack will not stop Garry from expressing his
> > opinions any which way he wants to.
>
> Critics making hate pages on other critics is counter productive.
> The makers of such place themselves in the same category as
> scientology. It's bad enough scientology does 'Fair Game', but it's
> worse when critics, who complain about scientology's tactics,
> resort to the same kind of dirty play.
>
> I am not saying who is right or wrong here, but to have Gerry

Sorry, I meant Garry here.

Tigger

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Nov 1, 2002, 5:57:49 PM11/1/02
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Nessie says:

>Sorry, I meant Garry here.

LOL that was really a surprise, when reading your great post to come to
"Gerry"........and I thought, Oh Heck, I don't understand this post
after all.

Same reaction my daughters have about their mom when I call one by the
name of the other.....what is that woman talking about??

Also reminds me of that old song.
You say toe may toe, I say ta mah toe,
You say puh ta toe, I say pa tot o
toe may toe, ta mah toe,
puh ta toe, pa tot o,
Let's call the whole thing off.

Which is what Gerry and Garry should do.
CALL THE WHOLE THING OFF.

James R. Ford

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Nov 1, 2002, 8:03:02 PM11/1/02
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On Fri, 01 Nov 2002 05:53:27 -0800, Zorrosblade........Z
<zorro...@operamail.com> wrote:

<snap><snap><snap>


>
>On checking Google/groups I discovered to my *amazement* after
>clicking page after page, that Tigger uses the term *Whore* like a
>bigoted red neck uses "Nigger", (BIG KAUG), which definitely comes
>under the category of *BIG* use that Tiggers charging her targets with
>in the above.

I think she uses the word because she is jealous. Probably couldn't
get a guy to get near her if she paid one to. That or she is feeling
pangs of quilt about her past profession.

<snap><snap><snap>

Fluffygirl

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Nov 1, 2002, 10:10:33 PM11/1/02
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"Tigger" <booboo...@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:23445-3D...@storefull-2274.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> Well I for one, think it is making a mountain out of a molehill to do a
> webpage on an s.r.s. poster who posts "bad things" about someone. What
> a waste of time and effort when you could be spending the time on more
> important things. Plus it's pisspoor mean and despicable to go to such
> lengths over someone who is not a threat like Scientology is.
>
> If you have a problem with Garry or his posts, keep it on a.r.s. and
> post, don't make it into such a big deal with webpages.


Yup.

Nobody should do that.

So....

I'd like to take the opportunity to point out that Arnie has targetted,
defamed and lied about me on his 'site.

Here's the URL

http://www.lermanet.com/osa/osawhoiswho.htm

I guess this went up AFTER the friendly emails were sent from him to me ...


C

Nessie

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Nov 1, 2002, 10:52:21 PM11/1/02
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"Tigger" <booboo...@webtv.net> schreef in bericht
news:9590-3DC...@storefull-2275.public.lawson.webtv.net...

> Nessie says:
>
> >Sorry, I meant Garry here.
>
> LOL that was really a surprise, when reading your great post to come to
> "Gerry"........and I thought, Oh Heck, I don't understand this post
> after all.
>
> Same reaction my daughters have about their mom when I call one by the
> name of the other.....what is that woman talking about??
>
> Also reminds me of that old song.
> You say toe may toe, I say ta mah toe,
> You say puh ta toe, I say pa tot o
> toe may toe, ta mah toe,
> puh ta toe, pa tot o,
> Let's call the whole thing off.
>
> Which is what Gerry and Garry should do.
> CALL THE WHOLE THING OFF.

Agreed!

You and I have had our disagreements to say it mildly, Tigger,
but I never had the urge to put a Tigger on my Nessie sites.
Well, maybe the stuffed one would suit a Nessie.:-)

Garry

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Nov 2, 2002, 1:07:56 AM11/2/02
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booboo...@webtv.net (Tigger) wrote in message news:<9590-3DC...@storefull-2275.public.lawson.webtv.net>...

>
> >Sorry, I meant Garry here.
>
> LOL that was really a surprise, when reading your great post to come to
> "Gerry"........and I thought, Oh Heck, I don't understand this post
> after all.
>
> Same reaction my daughters have about their mom when I call one by the
> name of the other.....what is that woman talking about??
>
> Also reminds me of that old song.
> You say toe may toe, I say ta mah toe,
> You say puh ta toe, I say pa tot o
> toe may toe, ta mah toe,
> puh ta toe, pa tot o,
> Let's call the whole thing off.
>
> Which is what Gerry and Garry should do.
> CALL THE WHOLE THING OFF.

Call what off? I'm not creating a hate web site.

Caroline and Gerry is, with Tilman's support.

Magoo

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Oct 31, 2002, 10:41:01 PM10/31/02
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"Fluffygirl" <amaflu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3dc1...@news2.lightlink.com...
>
> "Magoo" <mag...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:3dc0...@news2.lightlink.com...
> > agreed....
<snip>
>
> People aren't pages in a book.
>
> Love comes where it will and just because we all put up with the flaws of
> our loved ones (and they put up with ours!!) doesn't mean we are
> co-dependent.
>
> Doesn't mean we're NOT, either. It depends.
>
> BUT--
>
> But I do know one thing, it's no one's business if a relationship between
> two consenting and law abiding adults is or is not co-dependent or
anything
> else.
>
> C

Here! Here! I couldn't agree more. Also....even if one MUST decide (which No
one has asked the uh hummm Non-Certified Scarff to "evaluate") if someone
needed help,
this post is missing two very key ingredients:

ONE: A qualified person to diagnose.

TWO: People asking to be diagnosed.

If the wheeel ain't broken, don't try to fix it.

So far, the ONLY person ranting about things broken is Garry.

Tory/Magoo!>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Tilman Hausherr

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Nov 2, 2002, 3:13:03 AM11/2/02
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On 1 Nov 2002 22:07:56 -0800, ffr...@hotmail.com (Garry) wrote in
<f6058cf6.0211...@posting.google.com>:

>Call what off? I'm not creating a hate web site.
>
>Caroline and Gerry is, with Tilman's support.

They "is" not creating a hate web site, and I am not bringing any
support in such an activity, grammar boy.

Zorrosblade........Z

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Nov 2, 2002, 9:23:40 AM11/2/02
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On 1 Nov 2002 19:41:20 GMT, Stephen Jones <sjo...@hellokitty.com>
wrote:

>Zorrosblade........Z <zorro...@operamail.com> wrote in
>news:9tj4sugmvo41a4cfq...@4ax.com:
>
>
>
><snip: Zblade proves Tigger has used the word "whore" a lot.>
>
>>
>> TIGGER!!!---the use of the word WHORE is a sign of mysogeny when
>> used against women or used as an intended 'slight' towards men.
>> HOW DARE YOU!!! I NEVER want to hear such mysogenous spittle
>> spewing from your turbid lips again. I DEMAND an apology to all
>> Women everywhere for such egregious and blustering mysogeny
>> behavior. I'm calling Gloria Steinem right now to inform her of
>> your lugubrious turn-coat jowl-jacking towards free women
>> everywhere!! SHAME on you :(
>

>You're upset. Calling you on your hatred of women has upset you and
>now you're angry. You grab the icons and words that have hurt you
>and you throw them back. I'm not a doctor, but that sounds pretty
>good.
>

Trying to act like 'Freud' when inherently confused only proves you
have an addled disposition. Regardless, I'm going to let you in on
something Steven which I've intentionally kept from Tigger and
Starshanker, because to the intelligent, my jig is already up. Let me
give you a clue. Ready? Let's start with possibilities just to get
your mind open for new thinking; It's quite possible a technique
exists called 'secondary mirroring' which comes after a thought has
purposely been implanted as an instigator button. Just think on that
possibility and what it means before continuing reading on.
(Steven thinking)

Ready to see how well you did for coming to a 'universal' conclusion
as to what I might have really been doing in my snipped paragraph
above, which 'just might be' a continuation of what I *instigated* on
the Playboy thread?? Yes Steven, it's a runway filled with connections
trying not to appear having any. OK---here we go for the answer which
is in door #3:

The above >snip of mine your so 'enraged' about is the tail end
strategy-to-tactic *goading* session I've been covertly running on
Tigger and Starshanker to force their hand on enraged inherent
conditions; to bring it on the ARS mat for all to see. I had my
reasons for doing this which I'll get to in a second, but if you think
on the last part of that sentence, you've pretty much got it. You
have no clue as to what's actually going on here, or maybe you do as a
reverse mirror op to counter mine, but I don't think so because you
truly come across as confused in general and I believe your a loner
because of it, IMO. Could be wrong on that and I don't care.

What op and *why* might you ask? Simple; First off, you Steven are so
easily fooled by surface appearances it's sad. You obviously make
decisions on 'surface' information offered to you ,(if your not OSA),
not putting in the thinking time to discover what really 'might' be
going on below 'surface logic'. That's not spin to get out of earlier
stances, and I'll explain exactly why for your apparently naive
condition. My Playboy *script* starting this whole op was
intentionally written by me to draw certain individuals IN through
embedded button use (the implant) to *GOAD* Starshanker and Tigger
into the open with them believing they were making independent
decisions from a position of strength to 'apparently' attack an 'easy
target', being me appearing as 'the jerk'. It's called creating
conditions your opponents aren't aware of by instilling the idea that
your an easy target, so they'll over-extend themselves in thrust which
creates their own downfall by that extended thrust which makes them
easy parry. It's the *actual* rage-filled-condition using phoney
mysogeny tools to get it I wanted exposed on the ARS mat, for all to
see. "For all to see" is where you'll find my reasons for doing this.
I could care less about people paying attention to me as primary, but
I do care about ARS Global and reviving a critics movement which is
dead right now and for reasons..

I believe in the intelligence of ARS readers in general for being
able to see below surface appearance's to a greater or lesser extent,
where I was hoping they'd figure out that I was intentionally offering
myself up as a *target* by embedding 'land-mine' buttons into Rolands
'Playboy' device which I saw as my opportunity. But to complete being
dead honest, I liked Eden too. I'm jealous of the guys life style. I
think he's hilarious as well

Immediately on reading Rolands post I knew I had an opportunity to
draw Starshanker and Tigger into the open with their
rage-filled-sabres so readers could witness what was below their 'easy
target' criticism if I played it just right. This op without question
has proven to me that Starshanker and Tigger will lie, cheat and
misdirect readers towards any whim they want readers to believe in.
Any legitimate criticism of scientology (very infrequent as of late) I
believe is a cover to what they really want; agreement to their
personal whims as primary by muscling ARS with 'full nelson' moves..

Whether anyone wants to believe it or not, those two were the *exact*
targets I had in mind before starting the op, and it worked like
magic. I was hoping with fingers crossed that women of higher
intelligence with just critic intentions would have figured out my
embedded goading template in that original Playboy post. The fact most
didn't fall for it by not coming onto that thread or this one only
proved their intelligence to see below the surface, which confirms my
earlier remark; I believe in the intelligence level of ARS readers in
general who seek justice and genuine answers.

Frankly, I'm still shocked at how successful my 'flush out' op was,
not that Tigger and Starshankers inherent rage hadn't been flushed out
already by other writers; they have. I just added a 'new twist' to
amplify that rage, and was a willing target to get it. Starshanker
seems to have wizened up to what I was really doing, but Tigger is
still coming back for more---which I think it's grand!

Charlie--do I see you chuckling out there in wry mirth or is that my
imagination? Your the last person I would want to target. Your recent
work has been excellent, and don't be afraid to post what you will
even with 'concerned' suggestions telling you otherwise. I won't say
who that was as I really like the guy who suggested it, and respect
him, but just something to think about for yourself. I'm glad to see
you Charlie on board the ARS 'wild-animal' three-ring show.
Interesting riding the beast, isn't it--. You'd think the beast would
rest at a water hole sometimes and give the room a break. But if that
means ARS getting boring as hell like these past two weeks, I think
I'll take the beast instead :-)

Now Steven, can that dim wit brain of yours stretch for just a second
on how I could have been doing this and not actually being angry,
other than angry at the two mentioned??, or am I asking too much from
you?. Come on Stephen, you must have it in you to understand what I'm
talking about. No? Can you put the puzzle pieces together, or is a *5
piece* puzzle too rough for making connections?. I knew it would be
too tough for Tigger and Starshanker which is why I ran the op in the
first place. I *KNEW* before-hand what device would get them reacting
as they did which included pictures to really get em revved!! Thanks
Eden the playboy, wherever you are.

I knew Edens face with my god like approval would drive Tigger and
Starshanker insane with hatred looking to blast me into smithereens,
but I was hoping at the same time readers could see through my ruse
and ask themselves why I was doing this---to think it through. If
Charlie or other women I admire came in to blast me, then I would have
failed in my op because I'm not interested in blasting women wholesale
as Tigger and Starshanker imply. They used that come on attack to try
and grab ARS agreement as to the *big-bad* Z-blade woman hater,
thinking I was an easy target by my outrageous writing, which is
exactly what I wanted them to think so they'd react that way. Here's a
clue Steven; Do you really believe I went to Hefs mansion and screwed
a bunch of girls in his pool grotto?? Hey! Dreams are possible! But I
ain't been there. Are you getting the picture now as to what was
really going on? I don't mind manipulating ill-willed people in this
way, where I sleep like a baby when I do. Those two arrived right on
cue not having a hint as to how they were manipulated. I only hope
readers in the main got to see sides of Strarshanker and Tigger that
maybe they weren't aware of before. That's what I wanted, and why I
started the op..


If you really think about it Steven, I gave so many *obvious* clues in
that playboy post by intentionally being WAYYY over the top you should
have taken your sun glasses off :-) *GOADING* em in with them feeling
strong to attack is exactly what I wanted ROTFLMFAO....

I'm sure readers out there probably thought it was a pain in the ass
to read and useless once figuring it out. Sheeesh----guess they were
right. I wanted to become Buddha through scientology's OT 7 and look
what happened to me; I became a pain in the ass, just like my Uncle
Leo who I never wanted to become.

>Sadly, you grabbed all the wrong words, dating yourself in the
>process and reinforcing the perception that you really do hate
>women. Gloria Steinem? Who the hell cares about Gloria Steinem?
>Free women? Again, what in the hell?
>

Oyyyy-----that confused brain of yours raises it's ugly head once
again. What did you just say; "Sadly you grabbed all the wrong words".
Wrong. I just explained the basic op to you, which the snip> was part
of. Got it now Steven? If your not OSA, you do. If you are a
scientologist, that fact doesn't play into what your really looking
for here by writing what you do, which I could care less about if
being the case. I'm started to get tired Steven so we have to wrap it
up.

>You're welcome to your anger, but amping and tweaking the
>testosterone in retaliation for the perceived wounds inflicted by
>the boogeyman feminism is just a big, red clown nose of compressed
>stupid.
>

It's funny how rationalizations work Steven, where you should point
that carking whiner finger at the mirror and go read a book. I HATE
flaming in general which is why I've seldom done it compared to my
high road attempts, but sometimes it's necessary to goad-flame the
*truly* enraged with 'buttons' so as to flush their phoney
'scientology criticism' assertions out, as with Tigger and
Starshanker. In the main, If they don't like what they read from other
writers as regards *them* as people, they react to feed their enraged
"assertiveness needs", not "scientology criticism needs". Their
"assertiveness needs" based on their own subjective whims is what
their interested in---NOT ARS GLOBAL and it's needs. Capeech?


>I know this is all terribly off-topic, but your squirting was
>getting to be a bit much.
>

Your so easily fooled by surface appearances it's kinda sad, but hey,
I was there by getting into scientology in the first place. I'm just
as guilty. You make posting decisions Steven based on 'surface'
information offered to you (if your not OSA affiliated) while not
putting in the thinking time necessary to discover what 'might' be
below a 'surface' stance; that it might not be nefarious even if a
covert op, maybe even the opposite. You sound kinda new here. Give it
time if you can stomach it.

I wanted my 'jig' to be up at the outset for female critics worth
their salt, so I HAD to make my 'eden the playboy' post look WAY out
of proportion to make them think it through, with my fingers crossed
that they would make the connection. When I was talking about going to
Hefs mansion and swimming in the Grotto pool with water falls and
fountains 'spraying everywhere' --if that wasn't an obvious NEON sign
to look below the surface for what was really going on, I don't know
what else I could have done. Got it now Steven?? I was game hunting
for Starshanker and Tigger, and guess who arrived for 'dinner'; both
of them like pawns in my 'playboy' hands. Frankly, I'm still shocked
at how successful my 'flush out' op was. Starshanker seems to have
wizened up by not going for the recent bait, but Tigger is still
coming back for more---I LOVE IT. Well--the jigs up, and Tigger isn't
that stupid after reading this, other than possibly calling me a
'covert mad man' or a 'psychological terrorist'. Funny how she would
call me a psychological terrorist, as I wanted to terrorize her own
inherent rage filled condition to flush it out on the ARS mat. Guess
she's right on that score. Too bad you fell for surface appearance's
so easily Steven, which only proves you need to read more.

Here are some excellent exercises just to prove I'm not being a prick.
I *highly* recommend them to all readers, not just for you. Hard
thinking is necessary to see how the sites metaphors apply to ARS, and
they do. You have to make a conversion of sorts from fencing to ARS as
separate subject links to get those metaphors outside of the sites
literal subject. Don't just read it as fencing qua fencing. Won't work
that way.

So read em and then give me real trouble. Not the shit your trawling
out now. Pathetic. The link/ *Beats, Tempo and Timing* is especially
good. If you surface read em you won't get em. Takes time and hard
thinking on each point, with examples drawn out in your head, if you
can do that. I'll see you on the ARS fencing strip Steven. There are
some excellent fencers on ARS already with folks I admire to the hilt,
so you better read the below drills to compete with the big boys.
They're always looking for fresh blood to skewer on the ARS mat
anyway. Here it is:

www.fencing.net/drills

>Also, you're obviously not a stupid person. I always find it
>interesting to see not stupid people seemingly unaware that they are
>shaped pretzel ways by a particular dogma and wonder about my own
>imperceptible pretzel shape.
>
>

Thanks for the first take, however, the rest is an accurate mirror of
your own thinking; *confused*. If you feel I'm being angry here, I'm
not, I'm dead serious. I'm quite calm about this whole affair. In
fact, flushing Tigger and Starshanker out was great fun. As I said, my
only trepidation was that legitimate female critics might have joined
the fray on buying the outside veneer and not getting the op, but, to
my delight from what's occurred, they were too smart not to go for it
or not caring one way or another, which is cool. No problemo. Drawing
attention to me is not why I'm here anyway, only hoping anything I can
contribute gets a fair reading. ARS global is where it's at.

Z-blade
Tigger quotes on Z-blade: "Big Bad Wolf". "Psychological terrorist"
Starshanker quote on Z-blade: "Rusty Knife"

Thanks ladies. Glad I could have been of service.

ptsc

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Nov 2, 2002, 9:42:20 AM11/2/02
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On Sat, 02 Nov 2002 06:23:40 -0800, Zorrosblade........Z
<zorro...@operamail.com> wrote:

>On 1 Nov 2002 19:41:20 GMT, Stephen Jones <sjo...@hellokitty.com>
>wrote:

>Trying to act like 'Freud' when inherently confused only proves you


>have an addled disposition. Regardless, I'm going to let you in on
>something Steven which I've intentionally kept from Tigger and
>Starshanker, because to the intelligent, my jig is already up. Let me
>give you a clue. Ready? Let's start with possibilities just to get

(300 lines more of Z-blade looking like a cat that just fell in the toilet
and is now trying to pretend she intended to do that.)

Dude, you shouldn't give away clues when you're in a state of clue
famine. I've got a free clue for you so long as we're here though.
If you respond to some gentle ribbing with a 300-line-long ranting
Unabomber-type screed, you've been had. In this case by a master.

ptsc

Tigger

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Nov 2, 2002, 11:18:10 AM11/2/02
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LOL ZZZZZZZZBlade, I do believe you have confirmed you are certifiable.
Or perhaps we could sell you as the latest sleeping aid?

I said BOO.....a joke in response to one of your epic posts and your
assertion I was going to attack you and now it takes you another epic
post to explain your devious mind and "expert underhanedness".

Hell, I knew I was being bullbaited. I just wanted to see you make
another mountain out of a molehil, an attack out of another joke and a
babbling ass out of yourself one more time. You must admit your
reaction to one 3-letter word was a tad excessive.

BTW you haven't seen the REAL CHARLLE. Try saying some of the things
about her you have said about Starshadow and me and you will find what
you were looking for.

Meanwhile Egoman, it's time for you to get lost and lick your wounds.
Maybe if you contemplate your belly button or (cough) another part of
your anatomy for a month or so, you will cog to the fact that you are
not God's gift to Womankind.

Garry

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Tilman Hausherr <til...@berlin.snafu.de> wrote in message news:<5627su82leflhas2i...@4ax.com>...

> On 1 Nov 2002 22:07:56 -0800, ffr...@hotmail.com (Garry) wrote in
> <f6058cf6.0211...@posting.google.com>:
>
> >Call what off? I'm not creating a hate web site.
> >
> >Caroline and Gerry is, with Tilman's support.
>
> They "is" not creating a hate web site, and I am not bringing any
> support in such an activity, grammar boy.

Yes, "Clueless" NaziBoy?


From: Tilman Hausherr (til...@berlin.snafu.de)
Subject: Re: Am I really talking nonsense?
View: Complete Thread (48 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.politics.org.cia, alt.religion.scientology,
nl.scientology, soc.culture.iraq
Date: 1998/01/19

I assume that I make a lot of grammar errors, or use "german grammar".
Although I did learn english at school, most of my english comes from
CNN (now no longer), english books and english movies. <<<I'm clueless
about grammar.>>> Any help is always welcome, although I don't know if
I
will improve.

Tilman

Garry

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Nov 2, 2002, 12:13:07 PM11/2/02
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"Magoo" <mag...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<3dc3...@news2.lightlink.com>...

> >
> > People aren't pages in a book.
> >
> > Love comes where it will and just because we all put up with the flaws of
> > our loved ones (and they put up with ours!!) doesn't mean we are
> > co-dependent.
> >
> > Doesn't mean we're NOT, either. It depends.
> >
> > BUT--
> >
> > But I do know one thing, it's no one's business if a relationship between
> > two consenting and law abiding adults is or is not co-dependent or
> anything
> > else.
>
> Here! Here! I couldn't agree more. Also....even if one MUST decide (which No
> one has asked the uh hummm Non-Certified Scarff to "evaluate") if someone
> needed help,
> this post is missing two very key ingredients:
>
> ONE: A qualified person to diagnose.
>
> TWO: People asking to be diagnosed.
>
> If the wheeel ain't broken, don't try to fix it.
>
> So far, the ONLY person ranting about things broken is Garry.

Oh, do shut up shit-for-brains. All you do is yap... no action whatsover.

Rebecca Hartong

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Nov 2, 2002, 1:11:14 PM11/2/02
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On 11/2/02 9:23 AM, in article guu6susoheckaarjn...@4ax.com,
"Zorrosblade........Z" <zorro...@operamail.com> wrote:

(big snip)

Dorian?
Ralph Dorian? Is that you?

Stephen Jones

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Nov 2, 2002, 2:22:03 PM11/2/02
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Sweet lord! If you don't have the time to read this, let me assure
you that Zorrosblade is very clever.


Apparently he uses a complicated techinque, it has something to do
with fencing and "embedded button use", to lure Tigger and
Starshadow into swinging their "rage-filled-sabres". You'd
understand if you followed fencing or other less mainstream sports.

Whatever you do, don't confuse it with trolling and calling people
names. It is 10 or 20 defensive paragraphs different than trolling
and namecalling. More like fencing, really. Expect nothing less
from Zorrosblade! Well...we might expect him to leave behind a
zingy, quick "Z" instead of a defensive, egotistical manifesto, but
our Zorroblade is more clever than that. More clever by half.

Z,
Stephen Jones

Zorrosblade........Z <zorro...@operamail.com> wrote in
news:guu6susoheckaarjn...@4ax.com:

ExScn

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Nov 2, 2002, 9:38:55 PM11/2/02
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On 2 Nov 2002 19:22:03 GMT, Stephen Jones <sjo...@hellokitty.com>
wrote:

>Sweet lord! If you don't have the time to read this, let me assure

>you that Zorrosblade is very clever.
>
>Apparently he uses a complicated techinque, it has something to do
>with fencing and "embedded button use", to lure Tigger and
>Starshadow into swinging their "rage-filled-sabres". You'd
>understand if you followed fencing or other less mainstream sports.
>
>Whatever you do, don't confuse it with trolling and calling people
>names. It is 10 or 20 defensive paragraphs different than trolling
>and namecalling. More like fencing, really. Expect nothing less
>from Zorrosblade! Well...we might expect him to leave behind a
>zingy, quick "Z" instead of a defensive, egotistical manifesto, but
>our Zorroblade is more clever than that. More clever by half.
>
>Z,
>Stephen Jones

Thanks for the synopsis once again.

Just curious, where did you learn to read Zorrospeak ? And why did
you bother ?

Zorrosblade........Z

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<yawn> I expected more from you ptsc than just another
(300---400---550) "lines too long" cockered banter following in Stevie
weenies <BIG SNIP> steps. I've seen what you do to people who try to
snip you out from under in follow-up, which attempts to roll right
over your post content while trying to appear 'cute', as an
implication that your content was inconsequential, so quit being a
hypocrite. You attack with full gusto when perceiving such cheap
shots, so again, *quit being a hypocrite*. It's unbecoming to your
mental prowess. If you call what's been going on "gentle ribbing",
then your trying to pass off a lie, IMO. I saw Stevei's obvious cheap
shot and blasted it, where his <big snip> shot wasn't coming from a
'masters bait'; more like shrimp trying to snag a shark. You've never
done the same on perceived cheap shots which try to 'appear cute'?? If
you say no your a fuckin liar to your history.

Ohhh----and here's a little secret ptsc, your the one falling over his
show laces with such idiotic remarks. I'll let the readers decide when
they weigh the *full* arguments.

You consider Stevei a master? Sheeesh---extend that vacation time. You
obviously need some more R and R if you do think so. I've been
chatting with nothing but idiots trying to chew on my heels like
viperous snails, with no 'so-called' master in sight, with you
definitely not being one right now. Many times you do amazing work, so
get off the idiocy and get back too it. It's unbecoming.

Z-blade


arnie lerma - www.lermanet.com

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Nov 3, 2002, 7:59:26 AM11/3/02
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On Sat, 02 Nov 2002 06:23:40 -0800, Zorrosblade........Z
<zorro...@operamail.com> wrote:

nice work Z-blade..
enoyed it thoughly
arnie

Ferengi + Borg = Scientology
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
Lost a loved one to Scientology? tell your story to http://www.lermanet.com

Stephen Jones

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Nov 3, 2002, 3:25:50 PM11/3/02
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Zorrosblade........Z <zorro...@operamail.com> wrote in
news:vmp9su48jm7sftcu8...@4ax.com:

<snip>

Congratulations on a post under 600,000 characters. Soon we'll have
your quips zippy and your self-congratulation 350% more efficient.

All we'll need to work on is the elaborate feigning of boredom
<YAWWWWWWWN> and the lazy name-calling <Butterknife>
<ZorrosNoodleTongs><CountofMonteCristosSafetyScissors>. Once you
complete your anger-management workbook, I see no reason why we
shouldn't consider you a friend of mankind. You'll even get to wear
the cape.

While you may not think it possible for anyone to appreciate you
more than you appreciate yourself, I have to say you're winning me
over.

Yours,
Stephen Jones

Deana Holmes

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Nov 3, 2002, 8:30:13 PM11/3/02
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Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Cerridwen) wrote in
news:AQE7F4983756...@anonymous.poster:

> Just like the LRH and the C of S, anyone that crtiticizes Gerry is
> part of an evil SP conspiracy. So I guess that would include me as
> part of that conspiracy as well. ;-)

Hahaha.

Of course, I just see Caroline as the only member of Gerry's "cult of one."
It's rather pathetic.

Deana
mir...@sonic.net

PTSC

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Nov 10, 2002, 6:26:29 PM11/10/02
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On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 01:30:13 GMT, Deana Holmes <mir...@sonic.net> wrote:

>Of course, I just see Caroline as the only member of Gerry's "cult of one."
>It's rather pathetic.

Well Minton gave the dude 200,000 dollars to tour Europe, so you need to up
the membership to two.

Garry

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Nov 11, 2002, 2:35:47 AM11/11/02
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"PTSC" <PT...@idiot.orgy> wrote in message news:<FWBz9.341$To1.66@sccrnsc01>...

Curious...Minton bankrolls Gerry with $200,000, Gerry attacks
Scientology, Minton changes sides to Scientology, Gerry has nothing to
say about Bob Minton or his alliance with Scientology.

What's wrong with this scenario?

Dave Bird

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Nov 10, 2002, 7:00:39 PM11/10/02
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In article<FWBz9.341$To1.66@sccrnsc01>, PTSC <PT...@idiot.orgy> writes:
/
I wonder whether this is OSA, or one of the lunatic Minton followers
like GooseyGoosey Gandow? It gets hard to tell these days.

--
FUCK THE SKULL OF HUBBARD, AND BUGGER THE DWARF HE RODE IN ON!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
8====3 (O 0) GROETEN --- PRINTZ XEMU EXTRAWL no real OT has
|n| (COMMANDER, FIFTH INVADER FORCE) ever existed
.................................................................
STOP PRESS: EIGHTY SEVEN MILLION THIN DIMES FOR WOLLERSHEIM =====>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63143-2002May9.html

ptsc

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Nov 11, 2002, 11:14:57 AM11/11/02
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On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:00:39 +0000, Dave Bird <da...@xemu.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In article<FWBz9.341$To1.66@sccrnsc01>, PTSC <PT...@idiot.orgy> writes:
> /
> I wonder whether this is OSA, or one of the lunatic Minton followers
> like GooseyGoosey Gandow? It gets hard to tell these days.

It's Keith E. "Rumbunny" Wyatt, drunken dope-fiend and OSA "bum
tech" agent.

ptsc

Keith

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Nov 12, 2002, 1:22:37 AM11/12/02
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On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 01:30:13 GMT, Deana Holmes <mir...@sonic.net> wrote:

>Of course, I just see Caroline as the only member of Gerry's "cult of one."
>It's rather pathetic.

Well Minton gave the dude 200,000 dollars to tour Europe, so you need to up
the membership to two.

Gerry Armstrong

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Nov 12, 2002, 2:10:46 AM11/12/02
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On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 06:22:37 GMT, Keith <nos...@nosssppam.no.sd>
wrote:

It would be really OT of you to post some proof of these allegations,
since there is no proof.

I suppose like your masters you could manufacture some.

You could probably get 8 million Scientologists to execute an
affidavit attesting to it.

The same 8 million who will attrest that Scientology works.

The same 8 million who will attest that there are 8 million.

But here, I'll help you with your proof.

I____________________ declare that I have no proof whatsoever

regarding my allegations that Robert W. Minton gave Gerry Armstrong

$200,000 to tour Europe.

I declare under the penalty of perjury under the laws of California

and Oregon that the foregoing is true and correct.

Executed this 12th day of November, 2002 in ______________________

Sign here _________________________________

© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org

Gerry Armstrong

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Flunk for not signing. Start.


© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org

Gerry Armstrong

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Nov 12, 2002, 3:00:06 AM11/12/02
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On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:59:07 +0100, Gerry Armstrong

Gerry Armstrong

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Nov 12, 2002, 3:18:47 AM11/12/02
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On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:00:06 +0100, Gerry Armstrong
<ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote:

Non-compliance chit.

This person has refused to do the drill.

This is Liability. Report to Ethics.

cc: RTC Reports Officer.

This is okay.

© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org

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