Derek Smart Left QuarterToThree?
Bill Huffman
he just had to stick his foot in his mouth when he said, "NO space sim since
Freespace has outsold ANY BC title."
http://www.quartertothree.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2319&postdays=0&postorder=a
sc&start=90
Others said they didn't believe it and he got all haughty. Well people asked for
some facts to back up his claim and he said that he wasn't going to provide any,
that the onus was (of course) on others to disprove his outrageous statements.
People didn't seem to accept this so he got even more bothered and posted a link
proving that he was wrong. I then tried to explain to Derek that he was blowing
it. (As did some other detractor which Derek was convinced was me.) Then a guest
showed up that purported to be a game developer that absolutely loved BCM but
hated me with an overriding passion. (It really hurt my fragile feelings but
with therapy, I'm hoping to make a full recovery within a year or two.) This
guest had an amazing knowledge of the ancient history of the Flame War Follies
and seemed inclined to repeat Derek's old lies but, it couldn't have been Derek
in disguise because he hadn't ever played BC3K1.0 or 2.0!
Well the bottom line is that Derek has apparently disappeared from
QuarterToThree and I just wanted to explain to him that I was only trying to
help him face the truth.
Derek, come on back and we can chat about it. XOOXXOX
--
Bill Huffman
bhuf...@FRAUDsan.rr.com, remove the FRAUD to email me
http://werewolves.org/~follies
Transit
>Then
As far as I can tell he still is. Even in the thread you linked to - even with
what counts as deliberate and unnecessary provocation by you - he's being
unusually calm and laid-back.
>
>http://www.quartertothree.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2319&postdays=0&post
order=a
>sc&start=90
>
>
>Then a guest
>showed up that purported to be a game developer that absolutely loved BCM but
>hated me with an overriding passion.
I don't see this anywhere in the thread you linked to. Which post,
specifically?
Given how he views the world, he's actually being consistent, and making some
sense. I don't personally agree with how he says things most of the time, and
I wouldn't take the numbers he claims for granted, but this particular
discussion isn't worth making an issue of.
MajorFreak
> >Derek was behaving himself fairly well over on the QuarterToThree forums.
> >Then
>
> As far as I can tell he still is. Even in the thread you linked to - even with
> what counts as deliberate and unnecessary provocation by you - he's being
> unusually calm and laid-back.
>
I believe it was Mark Twain who once said, "you don't have to remember
anything if you tell the truth"...But someone else noted famously
that, "really good liars can remember alot"
Brad Martin
wrote:
>kes...@aol.com (Transit) wrote in message news:<20030305210152...@mb-da.aol.com>...
>> >Derek was behaving himself fairly well over on the QuarterToThree forums.
>> >Then
>>
>> As far as I can tell he still is. Even in the thread you linked to - even with
>> what counts as deliberate and unnecessary provocation by you - he's being
>> unusually calm and laid-back.
>>
>
>I believe it was Mark Twain who once said, "you don't have to remember
>anything if you tell the truth"
If he did say that, he was being idiotic.
br d
bp
>I don't see this anywhere in the thread you linked to. Which post,
>specifically?
>
>Given how he views the world, he's actually being consistent, and making some
>sense. I don't personally agree with how he says things most of the time, and
>I wouldn't take the numbers he claims for granted, but this particular
>discussion isn't worth making an issue of.
Maybe he's finally gotten help or at least refilled his prescription.
Bill Huffman
"Transit" <kes...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030305210152...@mb-da.aol.com...
> >Derek was behaving himself fairly well over on the QuarterToThree forums.
> >Then
>
> As far as I can tell he still is. Even in the thread you linked to - even
with
> what counts as deliberate and unnecessary provocation by you - he's being
> unusually calm and laid-back.
>
> >
> >http://www.quartertothree.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2319&postdays=0&post
> order=a
> >sc&start=90
> >
> >
> >Then a guest
> >showed up that purported to be a game developer that absolutely loved BCM but
> >hated me with an overriding passion.
>
> I don't see this anywhere in the thread you linked to. Which post,
> specifically?
Perhaps you didn't click on the next page?
http://www.quartertothree.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2319&postdays=0&postorder=a
sc&start=120
Specifically I was talking about TrollBeater's posts.
> Given how he views the world, he's actually being consistent, and making some
> sense. I don't personally agree with how he says things most of the time, and
> I wouldn't take the numbers he claims for granted, but this particular
> discussion isn't worth making an issue of.
I agree that Mr. Smart strives for consistency. I also agree that from his view
he probably feels that he succeeded here. It was the TrollBeater alias that
tickled my fancy in this thread.
Bret Ripley
br...@zakalwe.demon.co.uk says...
If he was serious, yes. The actual witicism reads thus:
"If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything." -- Mark
Twain (Notebook, 1894)
He also said: "When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it
had happened or not; but my faculties are decaying now and soon I shall
be so I cannot remember any but the things that never happened."
- Mark Twain's Autobiography
Bret
MajorFreak
> >Then
>
> As far as I can tell he still is. Even in the thread you linked to - even with
> what counts as deliberate and unnecessary provocation by you - he's being
> unusually calm and laid-back.
i think the only reason he's calm and laid back is because Huffman
fucked up and got carried away. But, you see this is where your foot
gets planted in yer mouth, Transit. Notice how Huffman acknowledges
with almost zero prompting that he made a mistake and apologized for
it. When have you ever seen DS do that before?
He might have appeared to make that mistake deliberately with malice
and ill-will, but i think he's proven more calm and laid-back about
the whole thing alot more than you think DS has acted that whole
thread.
Tell you something else, Transit. the last time i heard someone
describe DS as calm and laid back was well...never.
MajorFreak
> >Then
>
> As far as I can tell he still is. Even in the thread you linked to - even with
> what counts as deliberate and unnecessary provocation by you - he's being
> unusually calm and laid-back.
i think the only reason he's calm and laid back is because Huffman
Transit
>describe DS as calm and laid back was well...never.
>
Haven't you heard? Everything is relative.
Lemming
No, he hasn't. He's still the same Major Freak we all remember.
--
Lemming
Curiosity *may* have killed Schrödinger's cat.
Lemming
Oh, really, it's too easy. Please make it a bit more difficult next
time.
Lemming
>I believe it was Mark Twain who once said, "you don't have to remember
>anything if you tell the truth"...But someone else noted famously
>that, "really good liars can remember alot"
Then you must have a hell of a memory.
Fuck, you were a lot more interesting when you posted as yourself, and
you earned more respect. Stop being a puppeteer ... if you want to
diss the latest batch of space-sims, then do it, but do it as
yourself. Don't piss about with these fraudulent personas which fool
nobody.
bp
Cool ! I have to go stalk him now. Seeya
Bill Huffman
> >Tell you something else, Transit. the last time i heard someone
> >describe DS as calm and laid back was well...never.
> >
>
> Haven't you heard? Everything is relative.
True, but why is he relatively so laid back and calm? MajorFreak had a theory
that it was because I had errored. This is a reasonable enough theory but I feel
it doesn't go far enough. My recollection is that after signing the deal with
Interplay, Mr. Smart went through a period of relative calm. I have the same
recollection after the deal with EB although it was not as pronounced or as long
of a "calm period". My guess is that either DreamCatcher said something to him
or he is thinking that they may say something to him if he should "act up".
Evidence that I believe supports my theory is:
1. Derek was being relatively calm before I showed up.
2. I believe that TrollBeater was a Derek alias and he had TrollBeater say what
Derek really wanted to say but felt for some reason that he shouldn't.
3. The post where Derek said that he has been labeled unfairly as a kook in the
past due to responding to accusations seemed staged like he was playing to
another unseen audience.
4. Derek has a strong tendency to believe that he's the center of everyone's
universe. This means that he may be concerned that the DreamCatcher suits are so
interested in him that they are around every corner watching what he does so, he
feels concerned/intimadated by this. It makes him feel that he's now playing to
an audience that he is extra desparate in wanting to impress. I now guess that
he may have even started up that thread to try and impress them.
MajorFreak
I'VE BEEN UNMASKED! boy, couldn't fool you, eh? I'll just remove my
worthless carcass from the blinding light of your truth then. God, i'm
so glad you showed me the light.
*boggle*
MajorFreak
> > sense. I don't personally agree with how he says things most of the time, and
> > I wouldn't take the numbers he claims for granted, but this particular
> > discussion isn't worth making an issue of.
>
> I agree that Mr. Smart strives for consistency. I also agree that from his view
> he probably feels that he succeeded here. It was the TrollBeater alias that
> tickled my fancy in this thread.
trying a little too hard in the "striving" category i'm afraid.
MajorFreak
uhm...okaaaaaaay bye now
MajorFreak
> >Tell you something else, Transit. the last time i heard someone
> >describe DS as calm and laid back was well...never.
> >
>
> Haven't you heard? Everything is relative.
especially double posts. sorry about that. *g*
MajorFreak
> "Transit" <kes...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030306192715...@mb-fy.aol.com...
> > >Tell you something else, Transit. the last time i heard someone
> > >describe DS as calm and laid back was well...never.
> > >
> >
> > Haven't you heard? Everything is relative.
>
> True, but why is he relatively so laid back and calm?
> Evidence that I believe supports my theory is:
> 3. The post where Derek said that he has been labeled unfairly as a kook in the
> past due to responding to accusations seemed staged like he was playing to
> another unseen audience.
I have a hypothesis. A hypothesis that tells me most people are aware
of the "Lurker peanut gallery" when they post and try to sway this
'audience' more than they try to win a debate. This hypothesis is most
evident in troll posts where you see them say the same lie, or build
on one, that has been repeatedly proven false in the past.
I believe P.T.Barnum said it best, "There's a sucker borne every
minute"
My theory on Derek Smart's strategy is he's trying to use the SPAM
tactic to sell a game...he doesn't need to "win" debates at all, since
any news is good news. (i suppose Huffman's correct about his new
publishers having a more calming affect on DS than a simple mistake by
a mere mortal, who grovelled appropriately)
LOL i don't know what's funnier. the picture of DS imagining BH
grovelling or the picture of a publisher for DS. (the former i guess,
because the latter is like watching the "Texas Chainsaw Massacre")
Bret Ripley
bdu_maj...@hotmail.com says...
*bzzzzt* nice try, sparky. The correct response is:
"I AM SMARTACUS!"
hth
Bret
MajorFreak
okay, i give. what's teh allusion?
Bill Huffman
"MajorFreak" <bdu_maj...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8c6cbb0d.03030...@posting.google.com...
Haven't you ever seen the classic movie Spartacus?
MajorFreak
Nope. You mean characters in that movie who weren't Spartacus said that line?
Transit
>>anything if you tell the truth"...But someone else noted famously
>>that, "really good liars can remember alot"
>
>Then you must have a hell of a memory.
>
>Fuck, you were a lot more interesting when you posted as yourself, and
>you earned more respect. Stop being a puppeteer ... if you want to
>diss the latest batch of space-sims, then do it, but do it as
>yourself. Don't piss about with these fraudulent personas which fool
>nobody.
If you're implying that MajorFreak is Derek, you happen to be wrong.
Bill Huffman
"MajorFreak" <bdu_maj...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8c6cbb0d.03030...@posting.google.com...
> "Bill Huffman" <bhuf...@REMOVE-THISsan.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<jDoaa.49882$aa.15...@twister.socal.rr.com>...
> > "MajorFreak" <bdu_maj...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > "I AM SMARTACUS!"
> > >
> > > okay, i give. what's teh allusion?
> >
> > Haven't you ever seen the classic movie Spartacus?
>
> Nope. You mean characters in that movie who weren't Spartacus said that line?
I think it's a line from the movie. Spartacus is a Roman gladiator or maybe a
slave?
Bret Ripley
Bret Ripley
bdu_maj...@hotmail.com says...
Actually, Kirk Douglas said that line. He wasn't *really* Spartacus,
see, but he's an actor and he was *portraying* Spartacus in the movie.
It was his job to convincingly behave as if he really were Spartacus.
So, the question you have to ask yourself is this: are you Kirk
Douglas, or are you Smartacus? (I'll grant you it's not as good as
"The Lady or the Tiger," but it's the best I can do at the moment).
Bret
Lemming
Lemming
Oh, ghod, am I? Damn. Sorry. It won't happen again.
(Isn't it uncomfortable having someone's hand up your arse all day?)
Bret Ripley
l3m...@bumblbee.demon.co.uk says...
Please tell me that is a rhetorical question.
Bret
Lemming
Woohoo! Bill, does that count as a *BING!*? Please say it does ...
it'll be my fifth DS *BING!* since I got here. Please, Bill, please
say it's so. I need the stalker points.
Lemming
Well, I quite like it, personally. Well, not ALL day, you understand.
But I was asking if Transit was finding it uncomfortable.
Bret Ripley
l3m...@bumblbee.demon.co.uk says...
Let me see if I've got this right: MajorFreak is a DS sock-puppet,
Transit is MajorFreak's sock-puppet, and you (it seemeth) are Zan's
sock-puppet?
This is a prime example of why this froup needs a FAQ. It is impossible
to keep track of players.
Bret
Lemming
Exactly!
>This is a prime example of why this froup needs a FAQ. It is impossible
>to keep track of players.
I'll write it if you like.
Bill Huffman
goodbye.
http://www.quartertothree.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2584
Here's my favorite quote (in case he edits it out after reading this).
"I have known Mark and most of the others for many, many years, fought many
battles on opposite sides, on the same side etc etc and the opening of this
forum presented a great opportunity to mingle with peers and sychophants alike
without the cesspool inference that is the Usenet and elsewhere."
So do you think that Derek considers Mark his sycophant or his peer (academic
fraud)? HAHAHAHAHAHA Derek is the most uneducated PhD in the history of
academic fraud. He apparently doesn't even know the meaning of the word
sycophant!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Bill Huffman
Sounds great!
Bill Huffman
> bdu_maj...@hotmail.com (MajorFreak) wrote:
...
> >uhm...okaaaaaaay bye now
>
> Woohoo! Bill, does that count as a *BING!*? Please say it does ...
> it'll be my fifth DS *BING!* since I got here. Please, Bill, please
> say it's so. I need the stalker points.
Looks like a *BING* to me. But I must caution you that "Guy Under The Bridge"
(GUTB) and MajorFreak (amongst other space-sim community members) I believe are
also posters over on the QuarterToThree forums. I don't think that they are
Derek aliases. Although I always do enjoy a good episode of the alias game.
MajorFreak
uhm...i think he does. give him some credit. He really does think
anyone not sharing his level of peerage are courtiers. You know, those
worthy enough to be granted access when royalty held court. I suppose
DS had his Court Jester shot ages ago and you, BillHuffman, are the
spirits of past,present and future come to haunt him.
LOL
MajorFreak
uh. you actually didn't answer my question, but thanks for answering
it in a different way (ie. explaining your use of the quote the first
time; you meant using that line proclaimed you were but a two-bit
actor compared to the great one)
cheers! in that case, "I AM SPARTACUS!"
MajorFreak
> Mr. Smart left QT3 for a week. He apparently returned today, just to say
> goodbye.
>
oh give me a break. that's the funniest! lol. LOL!!! I'm sure now that
Mr.Asher has confessed they don't do IP checks that's code for,
"sockpuppet time!" in Derek sp33k.
Anyways, i am curious why he actually thinks you "HATE" derek smart. I
guess he's saying anyone that devotes a large portion of their day
hunting down DS' prolific posting style has waaaaaaay too much time on
their hands and is doing something most normal citizens consider
obsessive. I'm curious as to why Mr.Asher takes you seriously and yet
gives the nod to DS as a peer. (What was that Godfather quote again?
"don't hate your enemy it clouds yer judgement"?)
WTF is with the "i know all about IP addresses crap!"? Who cares who's
saying what!? jeezuz christ! The funniest thing about that sockpuppet
accusation stuff is it's being done in a post created by The Supreme
Commander. The irony is delicious.
Personally, i find DS to be a cliched, boring conspiracy nut and the
only entertainment is reading his detractor's statements (you know:
the ones with 'content'). Don't quit your dayjob though. A comedian
you ain't. (BTW, who the fuck do Sinner & Chet think they are?
borrrring)
Actually, i'm sure he's really really angry you apologized for your
mistake on his "BCM sold more than" list -- I'll bet he has a rolodex
of lawyer names he plays with. lol
Bill Huffman
> "Bill Huffman" <bhuf...@REMOVE-THISsan.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<blcba.68750$aa.19...@twister.socal.rr.com>...
> > Mr. Smart left QT3 for a week. He apparently returned today, just to say
> > goodbye.
> >
>
> oh give me a break. that's the funniest! lol. LOL!!! I'm sure now that
> Mr.Asher has confessed they don't do IP checks that's code for,
> "sockpuppet time!" in Derek sp33k.
>
> Anyways, i am curious why he actually thinks you "HATE" derek smart. I
> guess he's saying anyone that devotes a large portion of their day
> hunting down DS' prolific posting style has waaaaaaay too much time on
> their hands and is doing something most normal citizens consider
> obsessive. I'm curious as to why Mr.Asher takes you seriously and yet
> gives the nod to DS as a peer. (What was that Godfather quote again?
> "don't hate your enemy it clouds yer judgement"?)
>
> WTF is with the "i know all about IP addresses crap!"? Who cares who's
> saying what!? jeezuz christ! The funniest thing about that sockpuppet
> accusation stuff is it's being done in a post created by The Supreme
> Commander. The irony is delicious.
>
> Personally, i find DS to be a cliched, boring conspiracy nut and the
> only entertainment is reading his detractor's statements (you know:
> the ones with 'content'). Don't quit your dayjob though. A comedian
> you ain't.
I've said it before, my biggest fan is me and I think I'm hilarious. I must
continue as long as my biggest fan is enjoying my work.
Brad Martin
A very selfless attitude B ll. I commend you.
I think it's your modesty and self-effacing shyness that most appeals
to your biggest fan.
br d
Bret Ripley
@REMOVE-THISsan.rr.com says...
Is it done yet?
Bret
Bret Ripley
bdu_maj...@hotmail.com says...
Sorry, but I don't handle paradoxes very well. Not on Tuesdays, at any
rate.
> (ie. explaining your use of the quote the first
> time; you meant using that line proclaimed you were but a two-bit
> actor compared to the great one)
You give me far too much credit.
> cheers! in that case, "I AM SPARTACUS!"
Given the context, "SMARTACUS" would have been slightly better, IMHO,
but I thank you nonetheless.
Bret
Lemming
Lemming
If that's the case, then MF does a damn good job of pretending to be
Smartacus.
Lemming
Hmm. Sorry, but I think you are wrong, Bill. If MF isn't Smartacus,
then he's doing a bloody good impression. I'm claiming the stalker
points anyway.
Bill Huffman
...
> If that's the case, then MF does a damn good job of pretending to be
> Smartacus.
His rants seem closer to Joe Bsfilter rants to me. (No insult intended even
though I almost launched into a anti-Joe rant myself just thinking about it, wow
another close call.)
Bill Huffman
"Brad Martin" <br...@zakalwe.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:250s6v08u8tkamll8...@4ax.com...
Yes but my biggest fan is admitedly overwhelmed at times with appealing
attributes to choose from as you point out, the least of which is not my modesty
and self-effacing shyness.
MajorFreak
> <bhuf...@REMOVE-THISsan.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"MajorFreak" <bdu_maj...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:8c6cbb0d.03031...@posting.google.com...
> >> "Bill Huffman" <bhuf...@REMOVE-THISsan.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:<blcba.68750$aa.19...@twister.socal.rr.com>...
> >> > Mr. Smart left QT3 for a week. He apparently returned today, just to say
> >> > goodbye.
> >> >
> >> only entertainment is reading his detractor's statements (you know:
> >> the ones with 'content'). Don't quit your dayjob though. A comedian
> >> you ain't.
> >
> >I've said it before, my biggest fan is me and I think I'm hilarious. I must
> >continue as long as my biggest fan is enjoying my work.
> >
>
> A very selfless attitude B ll. I commend you.
> I think it's your modesty and self-effacing shyness that most appeals
> to your biggest fan.
>
> br d
Actually, the funniest would be if DS actually realized how useless
arguing on the net is a long time ago and invented BHuffman (you know:
"huff and puff") just to be his worst enemy on the "any news is good
news"
Isn't that just the sickest thought? i go wash my mouth out now.
Bill Huffman
> Actually, the funniest would be if DS actually realized how useless
> arguing on the net is a long time ago and invented BHuffman (you know:
> "huff and puff") just to be his worst enemy on the "any news is good
> news"
It is a theme that has mulled over on occasion in the past.
Brad Martin
Is it done yet?
br d
Brad Martin
Funny you saying that, that's exactly what I thought. The rants often
display that enigmatic quality of being trenchant, surreal, accurate
and wildly inaccurate all in a single sentence. I wish I could write
like that, it's sooooo. . . esoteric.
And I don't know why you're suddenly being Mr self-control, just let
it all out Bill, all this repression will stunt your growth.
br d
Lemming
Lemming
I don't care what you say ... MF is definitely DerekK Smart.
How do I know? Well, I accused him of it, and he didn't deny it. Oh,
yeah, he provided a seventeen thousand page dossier, but frankly, I
haven't bothereed to read it - and nor would you. But he's definitely
hiding behind an alias, and therefore I intend to invade his IP
address - with or without UN (Usenet Nobodies) backing. And when I've
invaded, I'll lock him up in a birdcage, refuse to tell him why, and
refuse to let him see his attorney, his family, or even Nick from the
FBI.
That'll show him.
Brad Martin
Well I fully support your stand here, especially because if you don't
do it he'll just continue to spam his own people via torture,
oppression and totalitarianism. Go and get the bastard I say. Make it
as quick and clean as you can certainly but sometimes the ends do
justify the means.
br d
Bret Ripley
br...@zakalwe.demon.co.uk says...
Aaaccchh! Ssssatiiiire . . . it burrnnnsss, my preciousssss.
Bret