How to save Radio 1
Simon Tyers
with Radio 1. What I'd like to therefore get going in here is rather than
everyone piling into their least favourite DJs, getting suggestions on how
the station can rectify the mess it's got itself into. I know it's not
exactly fair to post something I've been thinking over for a couple of days
and then expect quickfire responses, but never mind.
* Weekday wise, R1 is largely losing out in the mornings to Wogan and Bruce,
as M&L and Moyles are still more than holding their own. The station
dynamics worked well enough when you had Simon Mayo as the comedown from the
planned chaos of the breakfast show, whereas now you've got Whiley steaming
in with her 'text messaging, that's cool - hey, here's a competition for all
you text messagers!' approach, which seems to me to be against what her 12-2
show set out to be. Therefore move the end of the breakfast show back an
hour, because the 9-10 slot always seems to be there for the sake of it (and
move the start back accordingly, obviously), shove Jo over to 11-1 and stick
an extra show in at 9-11am. I'll come back to the presenter.
* Split up Colin & Edith, as he's turned from a decent Session DJ into
Moyles' Mini-Me and she appears to be either tagging along or completely
embarrassed by it, and as a result Jonathan Ross has just posted his best
ever ratings. I reckon Bowman would be good for that 9-11 show as someone
who just about straddles the line between music fan and 'personality'. This
can be the tie-in for a shake-up of weekends. So, KC 6-9.30 (currently
7-10), Nemone a music-led Morning After-type show 9.30-11.30 (I know this
slot is perceived as a big hitter now, but were they really thinking when
Danny Baker spent three and a half well-received years there that the kids
would rush to him?), Murray 11.30-2 to see if he can reconcile his 'tits!'
act with him knowing about music (I'm thinking of Jo Whiley's old Saturday
afternoon show here), Trevor Nelson with a proper R&B/soul show 2-5, then
into the dance stuff. I don't think the Dreem Team are doing Sunday mornings
much good, so after KC (HB? Vicky Marsden?) and Nemone as before stick Wes
in 11.30-2 with a show geared towards celebrity interviews and maybe some
sort of TOTP tie-in. Get someone new in to do a personality-led, chart music
based chart warm-up show 2-4 (like the Capital group's Kate Lawler/Andi
Peters' Hit Music Sunday, but with people you can stand) before The Official
Top 40 With Scott Mills, shorn of its Network Chart With Kid Jensen-style
competitions and live bands. Sod 15-24 demographics, the post-chart slot was
always for an older audience, so maybe Steve Lamacq could have an extra show
here incorporating the Lamacq Live documentary (I did think about putting
Zane Lowe on four nights a week, but I don't think Peel would agree to do
likewise) 7-10 before Sunday Surgery 10-12 and the Dreem Team 12-3.
* Here's the one you've been waiting for - tell Sara Cox that we have
nothing but respect for what she's brought to the breakfast show but if she
wouldn't mind, the door's that way. Thinking about it, though, who on the
current roster of DJs could take over on the breakfast show? Whiley
couldn't, Radcliffe obviously won't go back, I'd suggest Moyles wouldn't
agree to it, Pearce couldn't as he'd like being specialist, Bowman and/or
Murray should have just written themselves out of the picture (I listened to
the full show on Friday - there wasn't any spark in the whole thing, no
matter how many ideas they threw at us or how many times Colin said 'good
stuff') and everyone else is too small scale or specialist. My idea, which
would gain the station publicity as well as space to come up with someone,
would be to round up four names who know their music relatively well, are
famous and talented enough to get people interested in the show once more
and have a persona suited to morning radio, bringing the listeners into
their world and holding them, and give them a fortnight each at the job.
Enough people want to give Mills a go, so he can be one of the four, and
while I know it'd be perceived as a kick in the teeth for the existing DJs
they should hunt for people with communicative skills who wouldn't mind
being knocked back after the trial and would say yes (Ant & Dec? Dermot
O'Leary?) After those couple of months stick Moyles in for a month or
however long he'd be prepared to do while everyone comes to an agreement,
much like the month Simon Mayo did between Evans and Radcliffe.
* It's odd, but despite the various carping the playlist actually looks
quite varied, the overplaying of certain A-list songs well after their chart
career aside. It has to always stay the 'correct' side of commercial radio,
and as such I think there could be more experimentalism further down the
list - I don't see what that Barcelona record's adding to the station, for
one, and you could come up with everyone from McKay to McLusky who would
suggest that they could be as open in playlist meetings as they seemed to be
around 1996/7, rather than now when new guitar bands have to have enormous
amounts of hype surrounding them just to get on the C-list. As an aside,
have you noticed that Blu Cantrell's record hasn't been anywhere near the
playlist and yet is about to spend three weeks at number one?
* Lastly, never, ever aim features and production approaches just at 15-24
year olds.
OK, it's now more of a manifesto then a set of thoughts, but I think you see
where I'm aiming at. Any further ideas?
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Robert Naylor
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>> As the traffic through here demonstrates, clearly there's something
>> wrong with Radio 1. What I'd like to therefore get going in here is
>> rather than everyone piling into their least favourite DJs, getting
>> suggestions on how the station can rectify the mess it's got itself
>> into.
>
> The longer a track stays on the playlist, the less frequently it should
> be played.
There should be a certain number of plays and after that it gets bumped
down onto the b or c list.
Anyway for me Radio 1 passes saving. I now listen to 6 music, a bit of
radio 2 and plannet rock.
Only thing I listen to on Radio 1 these days in Mark and Lard and Lamacq
Live.
What ever they do don't let Andi Peters anywhere near radio one. He likes
his DOGS, so god knows what he'll do to on the radio. Probably station ids
every song.
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>
> Remove the following DJs:
>
> * Sara Cox
> * Dave Pearce
> * Nemone
Agreed! Please please pleaseeeeeee remove that silly cow cox, and take
acts-like-an-idiot colin and tries-to-be-funny edith too
>
> Let Chris Moyles play whatever music he wants.
>
Agreed! Bit of moped every so often never hurt anyone :P
> Give Tim Westwood an extra show a week.
>
Dunno her that well.
> Change Mark and Lard's background music.
>
Partly agreed. It'd lose it's repetative edge and kill half the theme of the
show if it ever changed, it's not that annoying anyway really
> Stop playing the same "RRRRRadio 1" jingles over and over.
Agreed! Also, stop making shit jingles that don't work with any record in
existance.
> The longer a track stays on the playlist, the less frequently it should be
> played.
Vary the bloody playlist every so often, shoving a track on for 6 months is
pushing it
> Too many phone-in and text-in competitions!
Not arsed personally, but agreed.
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> There should be a certain number of plays and after that it gets bumped
> down onto the b or c list.
Good idea.
>
> Anyway for me Radio 1 passes saving. I now listen to 6 music, a bit of
> radio 2 and plannet rock.
Likewise (the BBC stations, anyway).
>
> Only thing I listen to on Radio 1 these days in Mark and Lard and Lamacq
> Live.
Ditto - plus Moyles sometimes and John Peel.
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And let Mark and Lard play whatever they like too.
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Si.
Chris Brown
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wrong
> > with Radio 1. What I'd like to therefore get going in here is rather
than
> > everyone piling into their least favourite DJs, getting suggestions on
how
> > the station can rectify the mess it's got itself into.
>
>
> Remove the following DJs:
>
> * Sara Cox
> * Dave Pearce
> * Nemone
Well she's harmless.
> Let Chris Moyles play whatever music he wants.
If I wanted two hours of Robbie Williams, there are plenty of other stations
I could listen to.
> Give Tim Westwood an extra show a week.
Maybe, but when?
> Change Mark and Lard's background music.
I think Cornershop might need the money. ;-)
> Stop playing the same "RRRRRadio 1" jingles over and over.
Fair enough. Better than those "Radio 1 - the Music" jingles though.
And a lot better than Radio 2's jingles, which still seem stuck in 1981.
> The longer a track stays on the playlist, the less frequently it should be
> played.
Pretty much right. Unlike some stations I could name, they know how to flow
a track *onto* the playlist, so why have they forgotten how to flow them
*off*.
> Too many phone-in and text-in competitions!
I agree - but it's a BBC policy, not a Radio One one. Um, sorry about the
repetition.
Chris
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> Remove the following DJs:
>
> * Sara Cox
> * Dave Pearce
> * Nemone
Aw, she's inoffensive enough - anyone would have problems with that Whiley
slot. This also allows me to mention the other thought I was trying to get
across in this discussion - OK, so the vast majority of people here want a
breakfast regime change, but who would replace her?
> Let Chris Moyles play whatever music he wants.
Not sure that's the way forward.
> Give Tim Westwood an extra show a week.
Mmm, maybe, but he's got five hours as it is. I think Trevor Nelson's being
underused, especially with the R&B playlist slant, and I'm not sure what BBC
radio sees in Spoony.
> Change Mark and Lard's background music.
But it's virtually the only choice they get!
> Stop playing the same "RRRRRadio 1" jingles over and over.
Certainly.
> The longer a track stays on the playlist, the less frequently it should be
> played.
Good idea - as I was saying, especially with RHCP's Don't Stop being
ridiculously overplayed not long ago well after it had left the charts, and
currently the Eminem, 50 Cent, Christina and Coral saturation. There's the
other extreme, of course, where Dido's new single went A-list weeks ago and
it's still not out until 1st September.
> Too many phone-in and text-in competitions!
I imagine that's part of the drive towards interactivity. There's not that
much fault with that, just they could be thought out better.
Chris Brown
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> As the traffic through here demonstrates, clearly there's something wrong
> with Radio 1. What I'd like to therefore get going in here is rather than
Of course, from Gregory Dyke's point of view, the ratings are more of a
problem.
But if Radio 1 is failing to maintain a lot of listeners *or* to satisfy the
sort of people who are interested enough to post to Usenet about it, then
there's a real problem.
> everyone piling into their least favourite DJs, getting suggestions on how
> the station can rectify the mess it's got itself into. I know it's not
> exactly fair to post something I've been thinking over for a couple of
days
> and then expect quickfire responses, but never mind.
I've slept on it, at least.
> * Weekday wise, R1 is largely losing out in the mornings to Wogan and
Bruce,
> as M&L and Moyles are still more than holding their own. The station
Don't tell them though - just think of the innuendo.
> dynamics worked well enough when you had Simon Mayo as the comedown from
the
> planned chaos of the breakfast show, whereas now you've got Whiley
steaming
I liked the Golden Years too. Londoners may be aware that Pat Sharp added
this (admittedly fairly obvious) idea for his own show shortly after Mayo
left Radio 1. Coincidence - or something more sinister?
> in with her 'text messaging, that's cool - hey, here's a competition for
all
> you text messagers!' approach, which seems to me to be against what her
12-2
> show set out to be.
It probably is, but that kind of thing is all over the Beeb these days.
>Therefore move the end of the breakfast show back an
> hour, because the 9-10 slot always seems to be there for the sake of it
(and
> move the start back accordingly, obviously), shove Jo over to 11-1 and
stick
I recall from the Radio 4 relaunch that there was some bright spark had
noticed a lot of listeners were switching off at certain times, one of which
was 9am. They don't seem to have thought about why that happens...
However, it's worth pointing out that several other breakfast shows here in
the Village have started running up to 10am as well. I don't know about the
rest of the country.
> an extra show in at 9-11am. I'll come back to the presenter.
An obvious disadvantage: an extra show means an extra salary for the same
amount of airtime. But we'll come back to that.
> * Split up Colin & Edith, as he's turned from a decent Session DJ into
I freely admit that I didn't much like him as a solo "Session" host either.
But he's really starting to get on my nerves now. Too much Sunny D?
> Moyles' Mini-Me and she appears to be either tagging along or completely
I presume they were originally put together because he wasn't famous enough
to attract a daytime audience and she didn't have any solo DJ experience
(IIRC, she was only a co-host at her previous employer too).
> embarrassed by it, and as a result Jonathan Ross has just posted his best
I wonder wht would happen to an R1 DJ who was as offensive as him, BTW.
> ever ratings. I reckon Bowman would be good for that 9-11 show as someone
> who just about straddles the line between music fan and 'personality'.
This
AHA! Now this could solve the salary problem, because they're obviously
already paying her.
According to this site
http://www.planetbods.org/radio/kevin/index.live
Radio 1 was obliged to keep paying Kevin Greening his Breakfast Show salary
even after they'd shunted him to nowhere slots.
> can be the tie-in for a shake-up of weekends. So, KC 6-9.30 (currently
When are the rest of the Sunshine Band on? </non-target joke>
> 7-10), Nemone a music-led Morning After-type show 9.30-11.30 (I know this
> slot is perceived as a big hitter now, but were they really thinking when
Is it?
> Danny Baker spent three and a half well-received years there that the kids
> would rush to him?), Murray 11.30-2 to see if he can reconcile his 'tits!
> act with him knowing about music (I'm thinking of Jo Whiley's old Saturday
> afternoon show here), Trevor Nelson with a proper R&B/soul show 2-5, then
Sounds interesting.
> into the dance stuff. I don't think the Dreem Team are doing Sunday
mornings
I'm a little bit dubious about the welding together of dance and the
weekend. What do they think people who aren't into dance do between Thursday
night and Monday evening? Aren't Friday and Saturday the nights when
clubbers are most likely to be out?
Still, every other radio station seems to think the same way.
> much good, so after KC (HB? Vicky Marsden?) and Nemone as before stick Wes
> in 11.30-2 with a show geared towards celebrity interviews and maybe some
> sort of TOTP tie-in. Get someone new in to do a personality-led, chart
music
> based chart warm-up show 2-4 (like the Capital group's Kate Lawler/Andi
> Peters' Hit Music Sunday, but with people you can stand) before The
Official
I think Andy Crane's available.
> Top 40 With Scott Mills, shorn of its Network Chart With Kid Jensen-style
G'morning!
> competitions and live bands. Sod 15-24 demographics, the post-chart slot
was
Do you remember when Wes did that Blur competition. It seemed to take ages
to get anyone to call in.
Maybe he shouldn't have played 'Crazy Beat' first.
> always for an older audience, so maybe Steve Lamacq could have an extra
show
It will inevitably attract people who don't listen to much else on the
network, so why drive them all away at five to seven?
> here incorporating the Lamacq Live documentary (I did think about putting
Maybe they should only do a Lamacq Live documentary in alternate weeks. They
seem to be running low on ideas.
I can remember when they used to have live music after the chart. I know
it's expensive, but maybe it would be a good idea to get some live stuff
outside Lammo's orbit so he doesn't have to introduce Liberty X and Avril
Lavigne.
> Zane Lowe on four nights a week, but I don't think Peel would agree to do
He might explode!
> likewise) 7-10 before Sunday Surgery 10-12 and the Dreem Team 12-3.
You could work around that. Maybe put Bobby Friction on when people with
jobs can hear him?
> * Here's the one you've been waiting for - tell Sara Cox that we have
> nothing but respect for what she's brought to the breakfast show but if
she
Not listeners, obviously.
> wouldn't mind, the door's that way. Thinking about it, though, who on the
> current roster of DJs could take over on the breakfast show? Whiley
> couldn't,
Presumably her family commitments would stop her from agreeing to it anyhow.
>Radcliffe obviously won't go back,
Agreed.
>I'd suggest Moyles wouldn't
> agree to it,
I suspect not. And even if he did, Comedy Dave might not.
> Pearce couldn't as he'd like being specialist,
Plus he'd be crap.
>Bowman and/or
> Murray should have just written themselves out of the picture (I listened
to
> the full show on Friday - there wasn't any spark in the whole thing, no
> matter how many ideas they threw at us or how many times Colin said 'good
> stuff') and everyone else is too small scale or specialist.
Mary-Ann Hobbs might have the right attitude, but I can't envisage her
agreeing to it.
John Peel breakfast would be funny though.
> My idea, which
> would gain the station publicity as well as space to come up with someone,
> would be to round up four names who know their music relatively well, are
> famous and talented enough to get people interested in the show once more
> and have a persona suited to morning radio, bringing the listeners into
> their world and holding them, and give them a fortnight each at the job.
Now this is an intriguing idea. The only disadvantage I can see is that it
would rule out people who were working on other radio stations.
> Enough people want to give Mills a go, so he can be one of the four, and
Although he might have to relinquish the Top 40 to do that.
> while I know it'd be perceived as a kick in the teeth for the existing DJs
> they should hunt for people with communicative skills who wouldn't mind
> being knocked back after the trial and would say yes (Ant & Dec? Dermot
I'm surprised they've never been asked before. Unless they have.
> O'Leary?) After those couple of months stick Moyles in for a month or
He at least has some breakfast radio experience on a tinpot local down here.
One warning though - he's very fond of Elbow, which could lead to mass
outbreaks of oversleeping.
> however long he'd be prepared to do while everyone comes to an agreement,
> much like the month Simon Mayo did between Evans and Radcliffe.
And the odd one Kev Greening did.
> * It's odd, but despite the various carping the playlist actually looks
> quite varied, the overplaying of certain A-list songs well after their
chart
Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of stuff I personally don't like on there, but
that's inevitable. Especially now I'm outside the target demographic.
> career aside. It has to always stay the 'correct' side of commercial
radio,
What bothers me more is the increasingly repetitive ex-playlist tracks,
presumably a result of the computerisation.
Stuff like Cam'Ron's Benny Hill impersonation sat on the list while it was
in the chart (fair enough I guess) and then disappeared for two weeks, only
to repeat on us.
> and as such I think there could be more experimentalism further down the
> list - I don't see what that Barcelona record's adding to the station, for
That's A-list now (for the week coming). At least it isn't Russel Watson!
I think there's a more general problem with more mainstream dance music,
which is that it's made for a fairly specific context and risks sounding
totally out of place at eleven on a Thursday morning in your office.
> one, and you could come up with everyone from McKay to McLusky who would
That McKay record's crap though isn't it?
Unless you mean Peter McKay and Mrs McLusky from Grange Hill.
> suggest that they could be as open in playlist meetings as they seemed to
be
> around 1996/7, rather than now when new guitar bands have to have enormous
> amounts of hype surrounding them just to get on the C-list. As an aside,
I sort of agree, but I think that partly reflects the ratcheting up of hype
in general even since then, and the fact that guitar music is less popular
now than it was then. I'm not surprised, considering how bad all the
highest-profile new guitar bands are at the moment.
> have you noticed that Blu Cantrell's record hasn't been anywhere near the
> playlist and yet is about to spend three weeks at number one?
I have, although I'm not complaining.
I tuned into Hithisiswes to find out what it sounded like, and was
unsurprised to hear that it was a crap record with Sean Paul talking over
it. But R1 doesn't generally seem averse to playing crap records with Sean
Paul talking over them, and indeed played Blu Cantrell's earlier smaller hit
quite a bit. I guess it's just one of their odd idiosyncratic decisions.
> * Lastly, never, ever aim features and production approaches just at 15-24
> year olds.
Presumably they're worried about encroaching on the 6Music audience.
> OK, it's now more of a manifesto then a set of thoughts, but I think you
see
> where I'm aiming at. Any further ideas?
Yeah. Could they account for the odd supposition that the only record
released before 2000 was 'Song 2' by Blur. It's a little anomalous?
And could they decide whether or not they like Busted? It's just peculiar to
invest all that money and hype into roadshows, live "performance" on the
chart show etc and not actually play the records very much. I could
understand if they decided that Busted were beneath them or that they were
too big not to include. But the present situation is irritating both ways.
And no, I'm not just bitter because I had them down at Number One on the
Chart game. ;-)
Chris
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> > As the traffic through here demonstrates, clearly there's something
wrong
> > with Radio 1. What I'd like to therefore get going in here is rather
than
>
> Of course, from Gregory Dyke's point of view, the ratings are more of a
> problem.
> But if Radio 1 is failing to maintain a lot of listeners *or* to satisfy
the
> sort of people who are interested enough to post to Usenet about it, then
> there's a real problem.
Yeah, this is kind of what I was getting at - I don't know how far the RAJAR
figures are broken down, but I'd like to see what age ranges are making up
the audience that are turning to Radio 2 in increasing numbers now. I
suspect it could be that 25-34 lot who like the idea of 6 Music but can't
listen to it and are feeling disenfranchised by R1.
> > dynamics worked well enough when you had Simon Mayo as the comedown from
> the
> > planned chaos of the breakfast show, whereas now you've got Whiley
> steaming
>
> I liked the Golden Years too. Londoners may be aware that Pat Sharp added
> this (admittedly fairly obvious) idea for his own show shortly after Mayo
> left Radio 1. Coincidence - or something more sinister?
He's a commercial tinpot local radio DJ, it's in his job description. The
Golden Years was a no-brainer on every level - a big block of nothing but
music with only a small element of the listener having to contribute. Even
after Mayo got rid of the Golden Years, I think when Kev'n'Zoe started on
breakfast, he didn't do any features in the first hour.
> However, it's worth pointing out that several other breakfast shows here
in
> the Village have started running up to 10am as well. I don't know about
the
> rest of the country.
I think a lot of commercial ones, certainly the ones run by the same
umbrella company that run Capital, ran breakfast until 10 long before R1
changed. That said, who calls that hour breakfast time?
> > an extra show in at 9-11am. I'll come back to the presenter.
>
> An obvious disadvantage: an extra show means an extra salary for the same
> amount of airtime. But we'll come back to that.
Yeah, I'd thought about this, but there's also a slot disappearing at the
weekend to even things out. Plus I'm sure I've read somewhere that Sarah HB
is being quietly marched out the back door when weekends are relaunched next
month.
> > * Split up Colin & Edith, as he's turned from a decent Session DJ into
>
> I freely admit that I didn't much like him as a solo "Session" host
either.
I didn't much, either, I was thinking of the Irish Session, or at least what
I heard of when he and Donna Legge stood in for Lamacq. (Always loved, by
the way, how when he was doing RI:SE he'd still go back to Belfast for the
Thursday show)
> But he's really starting to get on my nerves now. Too much Sunny D?
Well, power corrupts. I'd like to know when the decision was made that he
should be promoted as the next big thing from the six regional Session
presenters, as he'd done a couple of Eastenders Revealeds for BBC Choice
before RI:SE.
> I presume they were originally put together because he wasn't famous
enough
> to attract a daytime audience and she didn't have any solo DJ experience
> (IIRC, she was only a co-host at her previous employer too).
I think she had a Sunday night solo show on Capital too, but it's
interesting that her only solo gig to date on R1 has been a couple of nights
in for Vicky Marsden, as if they think she's the straight (wo)man in the
double act. This is partly why I mentioned her in connection with that new
post-breakfast slot, because while she's sufficiently famous, for which read
'in Heat enough', she won't scare the horses. Can't help thinking that
Murray got the job because Moyles likes him, as with Mills becoming a
regular daytime stand-in because Chris went on a lot about him.
> > 7-10), Nemone a music-led Morning After-type show 9.30-11.30 (I know
this
> > slot is perceived as a big hitter now, but were they really thinking
when
>
> Is it?
Yeah, because I think they really wanted Moyles to stay on for as long as
possible even after he got the afternoon gig as a Ross counterpoint, and of
course both he and they have decent guests. And of course it was DLT before
that.
> I'm a little bit dubious about the welding together of dance and the
> weekend. What do they think people who aren't into dance do between
Thursday
> night and Monday evening? Aren't Friday and Saturday the nights when
> clubbers are most likely to be out?
> Still, every other radio station seems to think the same way.
I suspect the idea is either warming up for a night out or providing a night
out for people who can't get out. I have another issue with the dance thing,
which I'll come back to.
> > always for an older audience, so maybe Steve Lamacq could have an extra
> show
>
> It will inevitably attract people who don't listen to much else on the
> network, so why drive them all away at five to seven?
Hmm. I have a problem with Dance Anthems, in that it seems to me to be
peculiarly pointless - there's just been two nights of nothing but dance
music, who's in the mood for more by 7pm Sunday? Plus it had that Win The
Top 40 competition for a long time, which means you'd get Gatecrasher kids
being offered the chance to win Linkin Park and Steps CDs. I see what you
mean by losing the Top 40 audience, though, so maybe if the documentary came
seperately at 7pm and was followed by something approaching a 6 Music
sampler with someone (Lauren 'what XFM exclusivity contract?' Laverne?)
playing slightly more leftfield stuff and album tracks until the Sunday
Surgery. Remember, in 1997 Sunday nights went Top 40/hour-long
documentary/Peel/Maconie Album Show.
> I can remember when they used to have live music after the chart. I know
> it's expensive, but maybe it would be a good idea to get some live stuff
> outside Lammo's orbit so he doesn't have to introduce Liberty X and Avril
> Lavigne.
Not much live stuff outside that orbit, though, is there, excluding rap?
Another option could be some sort of more general live showcase, so in the
course of two hours or whatever you could have Busted acoustic in the
studio, a 1Xtra lift, highlights from a festival set and, I dunno, a big gig
from the archives.
> > likewise) 7-10 before Sunday Surgery 10-12 and the Dreem Team 12-3.
>
> You could work around that. Maybe put Bobby Friction on when people with
> jobs can hear him?
Mmm, although I suspect they're trying to promote Nihal from those two, and
I'm not sure how much better that'd work with the audience. Maybe some sort
of revolving slot of Friction/Nihal, the idea above, Chris Coco or someone
similarly ambient and... I dunno, someone else from 1Xtra? An extra Gilles
Peterson slot? Would listeners just get confused by permanent show rotas?
> > * Here's the one you've been waiting for - tell Sara Cox that we have
> > nothing but respect for what she's brought to the breakfast show but if
> she
>
> Not listeners, obviously.
Oddly, according to today's Sunday Times Sara's is the most listened to show
on the station, even though a) it seems to lose a pile of listeners every
RAJAR update, b) isn't that always the Top 40? and c) what happened to the
oft-quoted claim that M&L were now the station's most popular, and this was
being held up by MFM and the like a few years ago as proof that standard
commercial radio DJ standards weren't the be-all and end-all?
> Now this is an intriguing idea. The only disadvantage I can see is that it
> would rule out people who were working on other radio stations.
Yeah, I was going to suggest Christian O'Connell as an option but I doubt
XFM will be too open to losing a second DJ in six months or whatever it is.
I'm no industry insider, but it does seem odd that there's no-one really
making their name in regional radio and being talked up, although that's not
really been the case in any field since Jon Gaunt was on 3CR winning loads
of Sonys. Plus I suppose it'd be huge ammunition for the showbiz columnists
if they can say someone's been SNUBBED BY RADIO BOSSES!, but really the
other option is someone going in cold, and we know that doesn't work that
well.
> > Enough people want to give Mills a go, so he can be one of the four, and
>
> Although he might have to relinquish the Top 40 to do that.
Well, the big schedule changes could be timed to coincide with the breakfast
relaunch proper.
> > being knocked back after the trial and would say yes (Ant & Dec?
> I'm surprised they've never been asked before. Unless they have.
They did a Bank Holiday Monday show in, what, 1994, but obviously that was
when they had a CBBC show and were PJ & Duncan. There were rumours they'd
been asked around when Zoe left, but I think that was all they were, and of
course they're contracted to ITV so I don't know why I suggested them now.
> >Dermot O'Leary?)
> He at least has some breakfast radio experience on a tinpot local down
here.
Yeah, he used to do the Saturday morning XFM show when they hired a rising
TV name (as was) and put a music-led show around him, which was a bizarre
one. Course, there was a story he and Cat Deeley (there's another one) were
taking over Backstage, but that seems to have died a death, possibly because
as I said at the time you don't hire two of the big rising young TV names
and stick them in a sub-Heat pre-chart filler show.
> What bothers me more is the increasingly repetitive ex-playlist tracks,
> presumably a result of the computerisation.
This is Can't Stop Syndrome again, isn't it? I remember they played
Jamiroquai's Love Foolosophy for months and months after it had been
released too - you'd think someone would have noticed. That Cam'Ron song is
a great example, as it's not even that radio friendly or hugely hook-laden.
> I think there's a more general problem with more mainstream dance music,
> which is that it's made for a fairly specific context and risks sounding
> totally out of place at eleven on a Thursday morning in your office.
Can't disagree, although I don't think it's as bad as it was in terms of
flooding the station, and you could argue stuff like that Ultrabeat record
finds an audience who knew about it but not what it was through daytime
A-list play.
> > one, and you could come up with everyone from McKay to McLusky who would
>
> That McKay record's crap though isn't it?
Well, it's just singing over Double Barrel, isn't it? It's managed well
enough for 30+ years without lyrics... No, what I meant was there's an
opportunity being missed to be as open with all music as they are with dance
and some R&B. Looking at the current playlist they could argue they've
B-listed Cooper Temple Clause and Dizzee Rascal which you wouldn't get from
a lot of places, but they've had plenty of widespread press already, whereas
there's a great opportunity going begging to show how no music or musicians
are being sidelined by circumstance. I picked out McLusky because a) they're
great and b) Murray played their new single three times on one show in his
last Session week, yet has he so much as mentioned them on his bigger
audience shows?
> Presumably they're worried about encroaching on the 6Music audience.
Have you noticed a lot of the same emailers and texters contribute to every
daytime show on there? As I said earlier, it's like they've just discovered
text messaging is popular and want to capitalise before the novelty wears
off.
> Yeah. Could they account for the odd supposition that the only record
> released before 2000 was 'Song 2' by Blur. It's a little anomalous?
And Millennium, surely?
> And could they decide whether or not they like Busted? It's just peculiar
to
> invest all that money and hype into roadshows, live "performance" on the
> chart show etc and not actually play the records very much. I could
> understand if they decided that Busted were beneath them or that they were
> too big not to include. But the present situation is irritating both ways.
They've got an odd attitude to pop, I think, so every Christina and Justin
single (and Mis-Teeq, because they're street) will go A-list and apart from
a few others (S Club as was and Rachel's gone straight onto the playlist,
Liberty X, Girls Aloud) but they don't want radio columnists to start
claiming they only play dance and pop or that they're too elitist so they
don't like to make much of it unless there's an event on - even the Fame
Academy lot, which they claimed to support. That said, even this week
there's three or four pop hits at the top end of the chart which Radio 1
have ignored, so maybe they don't need to really do that at all.
Eps
look healthy.
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Eps
lesterforbes
You put a very good argument across for the Overhaul of the nation's 2nd
biggest radio station. For me I stopped listening when the UK Top 40
Changed to the Official Chart Show wiv wez.
yoof radio. No Thanks!.
Smash Hit's Chart are the ONLY people to actually Play 40 of the Most
Popular Songs. ans so I listen to the Best Radio Presenter there is on UK
Radio Mr Mark Goodier.
you seem to have some very passionate views on Radio 1. Why is this?.
Lester Forbes
"The New Mark Goodier"
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> Yeah, this is kind of what I was getting at - I don't know how far the
RAJAR
> figures are broken down, but I'd like to see what age ranges are making up
> the audience that are turning to Radio 2 in increasing numbers now. I
I tried http://www.rajar.co.uk/INDEX2.CFM?menuid=9
Didn't tell me anything about ages, but this may be among the data available
to paying subscribers. In fact it must be, otherwise it wouldn't be much use
to them.
> suspect it could be that 25-34 lot who like the idea of 6 Music but can't
> listen to it and are feeling disenfranchised by R1.
That'll be me then.
But in truth, the changes over at R2 have had more to do with that than
anything R1 did. Ten years ago, I couldn't have imagined my 45-year-old self
listening to R2, let alone my 25-year-old.
> > > dynamics worked well enough when you had Simon Mayo as the comedown
from
> >
> > I liked the Golden Years too. Londoners may be aware that Pat Sharp
added
> > this (admittedly fairly obvious) idea for his own show shortly after
Mayo
> > left Radio 1. Coincidence - or something more sinister?
>
> He's a commercial tinpot local radio DJ, it's in his job description. The
True enough. Perhaps he used his body and his brain.
> Golden Years was a no-brainer on every level - a big block of nothing but
> music with only a small element of the listener having to contribute. Even
> after Mayo got rid of the Golden Years, I think when Kev'n'Zoe started on
> breakfast, he didn't do any features in the first hour.
I'm sure I remember him doing that feature much more recently. I'm sure he
did 1999 as a year once.
He definitely did one on his farewell show, too.
Unless I'm thinking of a different feature.
> > However, it's worth pointing out that several other breakfast shows here
> in
> > the Village have started running up to 10am as well. I don't know about
> the
> > rest of the country.
>
> I think a lot of commercial ones, certainly the ones run by the same
> umbrella company that run Capital, ran breakfast until 10 long before R1
> changed.
Capital itself certainly does, as does XFM. But I'm not sure about Capital
Gold.
Virgin does too, or at least did.
I've always assumed that the idea was to retain the audience after 9am;
although obviously a lot of people are going into work at that time, and not
all of them get to listen to the radio. The best use of this I've
encountered is on XFM, where they now run into a feature after the 9am news.
Of course, it also makes the hours a bit more hospitable for your host.
>That said, who calls that hour breakfast time?
According to Moyles today, the 1Xtra breakfast show runs from 9-12. :-)
> > > * Split up Colin & Edith, as he's turned from a decent Session DJ into
> >
> > I freely admit that I didn't much like him as a solo "Session" host
> either.
>
> I didn't much, either, I was thinking of the Irish Session, or at least
what
> I heard of when he and Donna Legge stood in for Lamacq. (Always loved, by
Me too.
This is one reason why I'm worried about the idea of him staying solo,
though.
> > I presume they were originally put together because he wasn't famous
> enough
> > to attract a daytime audience and she didn't have any solo DJ experience
> > (IIRC, she was only a co-host at her previous employer too).
>
> I think she had a Sunday night solo show on Capital too, but it's
I'll take your word for that. Haven't listened to Capital at the weekend for
years.
> interesting that her only solo gig to date on R1 has been a couple of
nights
> in for Vicky Marsden, as if they think she's the straight (wo)man in the
> double act. This is partly why I mentioned her in connection with that new
> post-breakfast slot, because while she's sufficiently famous, for which
read
> 'in Heat enough', she won't scare the horses. Can't help thinking that
She seems a good choice for me actually, although I don't read Heat. She was
actually quite good on MTV.
> Murray got the job because Moyles likes him, as with Mills becoming a
> regular daytime stand-in because Chris went on a lot about him.
I think Moyles likes Edith too, if not for the same reasons.
> > > 7-10), Nemone a music-led Morning After-type show 9.30-11.30 (I know
> this
> > > slot is perceived as a big hitter now, but were they really thinking
> when
> >
> > Is it?
>
> Yeah, because I think they really wanted Moyles to stay on for as long as
> possible even after he got the afternoon gig as a Ross counterpoint, and
of
> course both he and they have decent guests. And of course it was DLT
before
> that.
I suspect you're right. I don't really listen to the radio at the weekend
myself.
> > I'm a little bit dubious about the welding together of dance and the
> > weekend. What do they think people who aren't into dance do between
>
> I suspect the idea is either warming up for a night out or providing a
night
Fair enough. Personally I don't quite grasp why people want to prepare for
going out to clubs by listening to the same music they're about to hear
anyway, but I'm aware that they do.
> out for people who can't get out. I have another issue with the dance
thing,
Again, this kind of makes sense. But it seems odd that they chop so strictly
into weekend and weekday.
> > > always for an older audience, so maybe Steve Lamacq could have an
extra
> > show
> >
> > It will inevitably attract people who don't listen to much else on the
> > network, so why drive them all away at five to seven?
Just to clarify here - I was accusing Dance Anthems of alienating the Top 40
audience.
It certainly alienates.
> Hmm. I have a problem with Dance Anthems, in that it seems to me to be
> peculiarly pointless - there's just been two nights of nothing but dance
> music, who's in the mood for more by 7pm Sunday? Plus it had that Win The
And some of it is going to be the same stuff you've just heard in the Top 40
anyway.
> Top 40 competition for a long time, which means you'd get Gatecrasher kids
> being offered the chance to win Linkin Park and Steps CDs. I see what you
It isn't actually that good a prize, when you think about it. The nominal
monetary value is high enough, but when you take out the records you don't
want and the ones you've already got... but I digress.
> mean by losing the Top 40 audience, though, so maybe if the documentary
came
> seperately at 7pm and was followed by something approaching a 6 Music
> sampler with someone (Lauren 'what XFM exclusivity contract?' Laverne?)
Hmm. I'm not entirely sure what I think of this idea but it does strike me
as odd that 1Xtra gets to creep into R1 (at least during Peel's Holidays)
but 6Music doesn't get anything on R1 or R2.
The main thing that puts me off a formal 6Music sampler is that it would be
annoyingly tantalising for people like me who don't have digital radios -
and absolutely infuriating for people who couldn't get a digital signal if
they had.
> playing slightly more leftfield stuff and album tracks until the Sunday
Yay! Album tracks.
Mind you, it's possible that the MP3 era could make album tracks a thing of
the past. :-(
> Surgery. Remember, in 1997 Sunday nights went Top 40/hour-long
> documentary/Peel/Maconie Album Show.
I liked the Maconie album show. But I must have been the only one.
> > I can remember when they used to have live music after the chart. I know
> > it's expensive, but maybe it would be a good idea to get some live stuff
> > outside Lammo's orbit so he doesn't have to introduce Liberty X and
Avril
> > Lavigne.
>
> Not much live stuff outside that orbit, though, is there, excluding rap?
Not necessarily even that.
What I meant was that they could have a regular live strand not presented by
him, for the equivalent of the Alanis Morrisette gig he once had to pretend
to be excited about. Obviously she's not an R1 artist anymore, but this is
where I suggest they could stick Busted or Dido or whomever, rather than
shoehorning them into the Top 40.
OTOH, I would like to hear more Lammo.
> Another option could be some sort of more general live showcase, so in the
> course of two hours or whatever you could have Busted acoustic in the
> studio, a 1Xtra lift, highlights from a festival set and, I dunno, a big
gig
> from the archives.
"Big gig from the archives" is a little close to the Dream Ticket though.
Plus even the slightly older post-Top-40 audience we're talking about
probably won't be that interested in Led Zeppelin or whatever.
Other than that, it's a great idea. Tack on the odd session from specialist
shows - especially the ones in inconvenient timeslots and if desperate a few
interviews or something and bingo! You've got cross-promotion that's much
less annoying than random trailers. Shouldn't be too expensive either, if
they could persuade the record companies to co-operate.
Speaking of Busted live, did you hear those vocals? Ouch!
[To Be Continued}
Chris
Chris Brown
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> > > likewise) 7-10 before Sunday Surgery 10-12 and the Dreem Team 12-3.
> >
> > You could work around that. Maybe put Bobby Friction on when people with
> > jobs can hear him?
>
> Mmm, although I suspect they're trying to promote Nihal from those two,
Sorry Nihal.
I really meant both of them, but I had Bobby Friction on my mind because I'd
just been reading about him.
>and
> I'm not sure how much better that'd work with the audience. Maybe some
On a national level, you may be right. But it is an emergent scene that
isn't massively covered elsewhere.
It seems a better fit for the public service remit than a big pile-up of
house DJs.
>sort
> of revolving slot of Friction/Nihal, the idea above, Chris Coco or someone
> similarly ambient and... I dunno, someone else from 1Xtra? An extra Gilles
> Peterson slot? Would listeners just get confused by permanent show rotas?
Quite possibly. If you only like one or two of the programmes, it's a hassle
trying to remember which weeks it's on.
> > > * Here's the one you've been waiting for - tell Sara Cox that we have
> > > nothing but respect for what she's brought to the breakfast show but
if
> > she
> >
> > Not listeners, obviously.
>
> Oddly, according to today's Sunday Times Sara's is the most listened to
show
> on the station, even though a) it seems to lose a pile of listeners every
> RAJAR update, b) isn't that always the Top 40? and c) what happened to the
> oft-quoted claim that M&L were now the station's most popular, and this
was
> being held up by MFM and the like a few years ago as proof that standard
> commercial radio DJ standards weren't the be-all and end-all?
Hmm. Obviously the station as a whole has a declining number of listeners,
so it's easily possible that its most popular show could still have a
declining number of people listening.
My guess is that Breakfast is the most listened to show in terms of raw
numbers, or "reach" - it's on at a time when a great number of people are in
radio-listening situations: in their cars, in the shower, being woken by the
alarm. Rajar counts anything above five minutes, so almost any breakfast
show is liable to be that station's biggest hitter.
M&L are, I think, the most popular thing on the station in terms of share -
they attract a bigger proportion of a smaller radio audience. And it's easy
to see how that could happen too, because they're the closest thing in
daytime to "appointment listening", as the jargon has it.
> > Now this is an intriguing idea. The only disadvantage I can see is that
it
> > would rule out people who were working on other radio stations.
>
> Yeah, I was going to suggest Christian O'Connell as an option but I doubt
I have some specific thoughts on this, but I'll save them for another post.
> XFM will be too open to losing a second DJ in six months or whatever it
>is.
They weren't exactly open to losing Zane Lowe: they insisted on him working
out his contract in full, and spending the requisite three months off-air.
I can't imagine them or any other radio station allowing one of their
presenters to bunk off and work for a rival station for two weeks,
especially if it was a possible prerequisite to them leaving permanently. (I
can't imagine the BBc allowing it the other way round). It's also hard to
imagine anyone chucking in their existing job entirely for a one-in-four
chance of getting a new one.
Still, that leaves people who are out of contract, people new to radio and
presumably people elsewhere in the Beeb. And Chris Eva... oh no, hang on a
minute.
> really been the case in any field since Jon Gaunt was on 3CR winning loads
> of Sonys. Plus I suppose it'd be huge ammunition for the showbiz
One of him is more than enough.
> > > Enough people want to give Mills a go, so he can be one of the four,
and
> >
> > Although he might have to relinquish the Top 40 to do that.
>
> Well, the big schedule changes could be timed to coincide with the
breakfast
> relaunch proper.
Fine. But it brings us back to the question of who could do it.
> > > being knocked back after the trial and would say yes (Ant & Dec?
>
> > I'm surprised they've never been asked before. Unless they have.
>
> They did a Bank Holiday Monday show in, what, 1994, but obviously that was
> when they had a CBBC show and were PJ & Duncan. There were rumours they'd
I hope they didn't wreck the mic. ;-)
> been asked around when Zoe left, but I think that was all they were, and
of
> course they're contracted to ITV so I don't know why I suggested them now.
I've not seen their contract, but it presumably wouldn't bar them from
radio. However, they're probably too busy and they're certainly not short of
money.
> > >Dermot O'Leary?)
>
> > He at least has some breakfast radio experience on a tinpot local down
> here.
>
> Yeah, he used to do the Saturday morning XFM show when they hired a rising
And he's sat in on the weekday version too.
> TV name (as was) and put a music-led show around him, which was a bizarre
> one. Course, there was a story he and Cat Deeley (there's another one)
were
> taking over Backstage, but that seems to have died a death, possibly
because
> as I said at the time you don't hire two of the big rising young TV names
> and stick them in a sub-Heat pre-chart filler show.
But since when has something being an obviously stupid and rubbish idea
stopped broadcasters?
> > What bothers me more is the increasingly repetitive ex-playlist tracks,
> > presumably a result of the computerisation.
>
> This is Can't Stop Syndrome again, isn't it? I remember they played
Not exactly - Can't Stop was a track that wasn't a very big hit, but stayed
on the playlist for a very long time.
That is annoying, but I was also thinking of another phenomenon; records
that were moderately big hits and high on the playlist at the time, but
continue to recur in between the current playlist stuff.
> Jamiroquai's Love Foolosophy for months and months after it had been
> released too - you'd think someone would have noticed. That Cam'Ron song
It's easy not to notice Jamiroquai.
>is a great example, as it's not even that radio friendly or hugely
>hook-laden.
But it does have that great single entendre about "Laying the pipe". He also
seems to refer to his lady as the "Booby", which may be the only thing he
has in common with John McCrirrick.
> > I think there's a more general problem with more mainstream dance music,
> > which is that it's made for a fairly specific context and risks sounding
> > totally out of place at eleven on a Thursday morning in your office.
>
> Can't disagree, although I don't think it's as bad as it was in terms of
> flooding the station, and you could argue stuff like that Ultrabeat record
Oh absolutely. I just think it's a factor that could be considered a little
more.
> finds an audience who knew about it but not what it was through daytime
> A-list play.
You could, but isn't that the record company's job?
> > > one, and you could come up with everyone from McKay to McLusky who
would
> >
> > That McKay record's crap though isn't it?
>
> Well, it's just singing over Double Barrel, isn't it? It's managed well
My sentiments entirely. I remember Jo Whiley playing it the first time and
announcing that it would chill us out. It disquieted me to think that
someone could listen to 'Double Barrel' and think: "What this really needs
is some bland R&B singing over the top of it."
> opportunity being missed to be as open with all music as they are with
dance
> and some R&B. Looking at the current playlist they could argue they've
> B-listed Cooper Temple Clause and Dizzee Rascal which you wouldn't get
from
> a lot of places, but they've had plenty of widespread press already,
Especially not from places where they'd reach a mainstream audience.
But they've both had hits before anyway.
> are being sidelined by circumstance. I picked out McLusky because a)
they're
> great and b) Murray played their new single three times on one show in his
> last Session week, yet has he so much as mentioned them on his bigger
> audience shows?
I do like them, if not that much.
But it has to be said that they're always going to be a difficult band for
radio, and probably on purpose. I agree with the general point.
> > Presumably they're worried about encroaching on the 6Music audience.
>
> Have you noticed a lot of the same emailers and texters contribute to
every
> daytime show on there? As I said earlier, it's like they've just
No, because I can't hear it in the day. But I'm not surprised.
>discovered
> text messaging is popular and want to capitalise before the novelty wears
> off.
Exactly. Didn't they do a theme evening on the telly?
> > Yeah. Could they account for the odd supposition that the only record
> > released before 2000 was 'Song 2' by Blur. It's a little anomalous?
>
> And Millennium, surely?
It's hard to tell, because at any given time they're more likely to be
playing a current Robbie Williams single than a current Blur track. I'm
obviously not counting exceptional features like Robbie Week, Turn It Up
Loud or Tedious Link.
It's bad enough that you hear it at all though. If ever a song had a sell-by
date...
All that said, I have realised that 'Why Does It Always Rain on Me?' was
1999.
> > And could they decide whether or not they like Busted? It's just
>
> They've got an odd attitude to pop, I think, so every Christina and Justin
> single (and Mis-Teeq, because they're street) will go A-list and apart
The new Justin one hasn't yet. I can't say I blame them.
>from
> a few others (S Club as was and Rachel's gone straight onto the playlist,
> Liberty X, Girls Aloud) but they don't want radio columnists to start
> claiming they only play dance and pop or that they're too elitist so they
> don't like to make much of it unless there's an event on - even the Fame
There's a fine line between representing the licence-payer's taste (ie
playing the biggest sellers) and using the lack of commercial pressure to be
more experimental.
> Academy lot, which they claimed to support. That said, even this week
The deal seems to be support for one single and then you're on your own.
They've obviously got to worry about the accusation of plugging their own
product (though the BBC presumably can't have a financial interest in the
record sales) but it has to be said that most of the FA singles don't really
sound aimed at the R1 audience. They don't really sound good either.
The odd exception here is Lemar. Everyone's playing him, the commercial
stations included. Even though it sounds like an old Luther Vandross reject.
> there's three or four pop hits at the top end of the chart which Radio 1
> have ignored, so maybe they don't need to really do that at all.
Certainly the link there once was between R1 exposure and chart success has
been greatly weakened.
Chris
Simon Tyers
> This was getting too long, so I've chopped it in half.
That bloke who called us 'radio geeks' - he said it like it was a bad
thing...
> I tried http://www.rajar.co.uk/INDEX2.CFM?menuid=9
>
> Didn't tell me anything about ages, but this may be among the data
available
> to paying subscribers. In fact it must be, otherwise it wouldn't be much
use
> to them.
I tried that site - it says on the FAQ you can write to the station and
they'll send you a complete breakdown.
> But in truth, the changes over at R2 have had more to do with that than
> anything R1 did. Ten years ago, I couldn't have imagined my 45-year-old
self
> listening to R2, let alone my 25-year-old.
Mmm, but I think that's got more to do with the playlist than the
personnel - Steve Wright, who plays a lot of pop, is I think their least
listened to daytime performer, whereas Ken Bruce had the Pernice Brothers as
his Record of the Week the other week. The words "legal eagle" always make
me think of Radio 2 as few as six years ago.
> > Golden Years was a no-brainer on every level - a big block of nothing
but
> > music with only a small element of the listener having to contribute.
Even
> > after Mayo got rid of the Golden Years, I think when Kev'n'Zoe started
on
> > breakfast, he didn't do any features in the first hour.
>
> I'm sure I remember him doing that feature much more recently. I'm sure he
> did 1999 as a year once.
Yeah, but I recall he definitely dropped it for a while, unless I'm just
getting confused about when the Golden Hour turned into the Mystery Years.
If anyone else was listening I could ask around for exactly when. Wasn't it
called Radio 1's Greatest Hits for a while?
> He definitely did one on his farewell show, too.
That was just a personal favourites selection, though, where he got to play
Northern Sky and Blitzkrieg Bop at last.
> > post-breakfast slot, because while she's sufficiently famous, for which
> read
> > 'in Heat enough', she won't scare the horses. Can't help thinking that
>
> She seems a good choice for me actually, although I don't read Heat. She
was
> actually quite good on MTV.
Can't disagree - it always seemed to me that on RI:SE Bowman was being
pigeonholed alongside Liz Bonnin into a kind of Trinny and Susannah of
showbiz which was completely alien to what she'd been like on MTV, and now
she's being set up as Colin's stooge doing breast references valiantly
trying not to sound pissed off by it, which is why I say I'd like to hear
her being herself again, as I think even Jo's being forced to sound like a
Closer subscriber in the current format.
> Just to clarify here - I was accusing Dance Anthems of alienating the Top
40
> audience.
> It certainly alienates.
Heh! I suspect the thinking is that it's a good 'out' from the chart rundown
to go into a run of classics from the commercial side of dance, but surely
not for three hours? In The Nation's Favourite Bannister or someone says
that one of the reasons they hired Moyles was that they were doing their
dance weekender stuff while he was on Capital playing off-playlist indie and
doing listener participation stunts, and as a result their London share at
that time had collapsed. Now of course Capital has dance shows against dance
shows (bar a rock show at the very listener-friendly time of 11pm Saturdays)
> > mean by losing the Top 40 audience, though, so maybe if the documentary
> came
> > seperately at 7pm and was followed by something approaching a 6 Music
> > sampler with someone (Lauren 'what XFM exclusivity contract?' Laverne?)
>
> Hmm. I'm not entirely sure what I think of this idea but it does strike me
> as odd that 1Xtra gets to creep into R1 (at least during Peel's Holidays)
> but 6Music doesn't get anything on R1 or R2.
They had a theme night on R2 just before Christmas, but it seems that,
Critical List aside, anyone who wants to hear a more eclectic selection of
music has to find out how to listen to digital radio. There were Summer
Sundae trailers on R1, so clearly they've not forgotten that audience.
> The main thing that puts me off a formal 6Music sampler is that it would
be
> annoyingly tantalising for people like me who don't have digital radios -
> and absolutely infuriating for people who couldn't get a digital signal if
> they had.
This is why I restrained myself from referring to it as a formal sampler -
something with that kind of playlist approach, like, indeed, Maconie's album
show where he'd play Prefab Sprout next to Eels next to... Can I remember
guesting on it once. Kind of 'if you like the off-playlist stuff Radcliffe
plays...' marketing.
> What I meant was that they could have a regular live strand not presented
by
> him, for the equivalent of the Alanis Morrisette gig he once had to
pretend
> to be excited about. Obviously she's not an R1 artist anymore, but this is
> where I suggest they could stick Busted or Dido or whomever, rather than
> shoehorning them into the Top 40.
Can't disagree.
> OTOH, I would like to hear more Lammo.
Me too. Remember him doing a 4pm show one New Year's Day following Mary-Ann?
> > studio, a 1Xtra lift, highlights from a festival set and, I dunno, a big
> gig
> > from the archives.
>
> "Big gig from the archives" is a little close to the Dream Ticket though.
> Plus even the slightly older post-Top-40 audience we're talking about
> probably won't be that interested in Led Zeppelin or whatever.
My fault for not explaining better - I meant a more recent gig by a Radio 1
artist, so you could have Oasis big gigs, Robbie at Knebworth or wherever,
Blur at Mile End, One Big Sunday flashbacks etc.
> Other than that, it's a great idea. Tack on the odd session from
specialist
> shows - especially the ones in inconvenient timeslots and if desperate a
few
> interviews or something and bingo! You've got cross-promotion that's much
> less annoying than random trailers. Shouldn't be too expensive either, if
> they could persuade the record companies to co-operate.
There's a germination of another idea in here, which is a kind of Stuff You
May Have Missed From The Week, somewhere to repeat all the big interviews
and live material, like how the midnight show used to be a repeat of
whatever may have happened during the day. Now that 6 Music are repeating
classic session tracks throughout the day, which I always thought they
couldn't do because of the royalties aspect, there's certainly nothing
stopping all of this.
(TBC)
Simon Tyers
> > I'm not sure how much better that'd work with the audience. Maybe some
>
> On a national level, you may be right. But it is an emergent scene that
> isn't massively covered elsewhere.
> It seems a better fit for the public service remit than a big pile-up of
> house DJs.
Ah, I see what you mean now. On that score, it's certainly worth giving them
more airtime, although I notice there's some amount of cross-promotion going
on anyway, as Nihal appears to pop into Moyles' studio occasionally and of
course they won the Sony this year. This is a more difficult slot than I'd
envisaged.
> M&L are, I think, the most popular thing on the station in terms of
share -
> they attract a bigger proportion of a smaller radio audience. And it's
easy
> to see how that could happen too, because they're the closest thing in
> daytime to "appointment listening", as the jargon has it.
It always seems to me that Radio 1 haven't got a clue what to do with M&L,
as they clearly can't just drop them because of their massive fanbase and
they like what they do but you can't actually explain the act to anyone,
hence you don't see a lot of advertising for the show, not even subliminally
like how Moyles is always being referred to on breakfast, so a couple of
years ago there was a lot of talk about how Moyles was bound to be TV's next
big hitter (heh heh heh...) yet when he was on breakfast Radcliffe's only
extra-curricular activity was midweek regional filler Schools Challenge. I
think it was the critic Gillian Reynolds who described M&L's as 'a BBC2
breakfast show', as everyone agreed it was fantastically entertaining but
you couldn't do anything with it in terms of tabloid reach. (Craig Brown
once 'did' M&L in the diary in Private Eye, and he'd clearly never heard of
them but had read that Radio 1 was being accused of being laddish so just
did a load of Moyles-esque stuff about fancying birds, which illustrated the
point perfectly)
> > Yeah, I was going to suggest Christian O'Connell as an option but I
doubt
>
> I have some specific thoughts on this, but I'll save them for another
post.
Ooh, like to hear these. There were rumours a while back that Moyles was
being relocated and O'Connell was coming in for him, at about the same time
as it became clear they were trying to tempt in Zane Lowe. Must say I've
never seen what's so special about him, though.
> I can't imagine them or any other radio station allowing one of their
> presenters to bunk off and work for a rival station for two weeks,
> especially if it was a possible prerequisite to them leaving permanently.
(I
> can't imagine the BBc allowing it the other way round). It's also hard to
> imagine anyone chucking in their existing job entirely for a one-in-four
> chance of getting a new one.
Yeah, this is the only real drawback to my idea, although looking at
Capital's schedules (I'm researching my points now!) I can't see anyone R1
would be looking at, and as I say there's no-one making a splash outside the
capital, although you could say the same about Scott Mills at Heart.
> Still, that leaves people who are out of contract, people new to radio and
> presumably people elsewhere in the Beeb. And Chris Eva... oh no, hang on a
> minute.
Another problem might be that then the Beeb would stand accused of ignoring
radio DJs in favour of fast-tracking people off the telly, and that famously
didn't go down too well when they did it with Zoe and Sara. Who was the last
Radio 1 DJ to be recruited from another BBC station, by the way? Wes and
Nemone came from Galaxy, Mills Heart, Vicky Marsden Ayia Napa FM (!)...
> That is annoying, but I was also thinking of another phenomenon; records
> that were moderately big hits and high on the playlist at the time, but
> continue to recur in between the current playlist stuff.
Ah, I see now - DMX springs to mind too.
> There's a fine line between representing the licence-payer's taste (ie
> playing the biggest sellers) and using the lack of commercial pressure to
be
> more experimental.
The argument there would be that part of their public service remit would be
to play the populist/popular stuff to draw in the wider young listenership -
a few years ago they were making a lot of wanting to draw in more young
females so the playlist got packed out with pop and handbag dance, almost as
a reaction against that NME thinking of a couple of years before, although
it's not so bad now.
> Certainly the link there once was between R1 exposure and chart success
has
> been greatly weakened.
QED. The great paradox was that ten years ago, before the Bannister
revolution, R1 was a byword for uncool and got 15m listeners whereas now
they're more expansive and have 8m listeners while people retune to bland
tinpot local radio. Whatever you think of the Evans breakfast show, the fact
was that listenership across the board rose greatly at the same time as his
figures did - famously he was such a fan of M&L he later said he didn't want
to go up against them at breakfast and of course recommended them as his
holiday stand-ins. There's an almost unique balance to be struck here,
however much ratings chasing goes against the supposed BBC values.
I sense the size this topic is now is precluding anyone else from
contributing, but there you go.
John Fallhammer
"Simon Tyers" <S.T...@btinterSPAMBLOCKnet.com> wrote:
> you couldn't do anything with it in terms of tabloid reach. (Craig Brown
> once 'did' M&L in the diary in Private Eye, and he'd clearly never heard of
> them but had read that Radio 1 was being accused of being laddish so just
> did a load of Moyles-esque stuff about fancying birds, which illustrated the
> point perfectly)
I missed that one. Anyone got a copy of the text so I can judge for
myself?
J.T. Fallhammer
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Chris Brown
"John Fallhammer" <jmont...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <bht5qu$n27$1...@hercules.btinternet.com>,
> "Simon Tyers" <S.T...@btinterSPAMBLOCKnet.com> wrote:
> > you couldn't do anything with it in terms of tabloid reach. (Craig Brown
> > once 'did' M&L in the diary in Private Eye, and he'd clearly never heard
of
> > them but had read that Radio 1 was being accused of being laddish so
just
> > did a load of Moyles-esque stuff about fancying birds, which illustrated
the
> > point perfectly)
>
> I missed that one. Anyone got a copy of the text so I can judge for
> myself?
>
I don't remember it either.
Next week: Mark & Lard - Me and my lard.
Chris
Chris Brown
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> > > Yeah, I was going to suggest Christian O'Connell as an option but I
> doubt
> >
> > I have some specific thoughts on this, but I'll save them for another
> post.
>
> Ooh, like to hear these. There were rumours a while back that Moyles was
> being relocated and O'Connell was coming in for him, at about the same
time
> as it became clear they were trying to tempt in Zane Lowe. Must say I've
> never seen what's so special about him, though.
I do dimly recall those rumours, although I don't remember all the details.
Certainly, he made a point of mentioning that he had renewed his XFM
contract. I wouldn't be surprised if Capital gave him some golden handcuffs,
as he's probably their biggest on-air star post-Zane.
He probably wouldn't care for the comparison, but his style isn't a million
miles away from Moyles, which might make it difficult to put the two of them
into the same schedule. I'm also a little concerned that a lot of his humour
relies on the interplay with Chris Smith, who performs a sort of Comedy Dave
role - except, of course, that Comedy Dave isn't also the Head of News.
He can still make me laugh audibly in his most surreal moments, and he makes
the most of the obviously limited resources. But I don't know if he's truly
suitible for Radio1.
In any case, it would be harder to recruit from a specialist station (like
XFM, or Kiss) into daytime programming than into specialist shows. In the
specific case of XFM, they're also likely to have heard a lot of horror
stories from Kevin Greening.
Yesterday, he played the new Placebo single 'Special Needs' and said it was
for "Zane and everyone he works with".
Chris
Chris Brown
"Simon Tyers" <S.T...@btinterSPAMBLOCKnet.com> wrote in message
> Chris Brown <extreme_...@yaspamhoo.com> wrote in message
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There was an article in the Times about this sort of thing today. I'll try
and put the link in the second half.
> > This was getting too long, so I've chopped it in half.
>
> That bloke who called us 'radio geeks' - he said it like it was a bad
> thing...
I know.
Do you think he walks onto nudist beaches and tells people they're naked?
> > I tried http://www.rajar.co.uk/INDEX2.CFM?menuid=9
>
> I tried that site - it says on the FAQ you can write to the station and
> they'll send you a complete breakdown.
I couldn't tell whether they had to send it though, or whether they could
refuse if it doesn't look good.
> > But in truth, the changes over at R2 have had more to do with that than
>
> Mmm, but I think that's got more to do with the playlist than the
> personnel - Steve Wright, who plays a lot of pop, is I think their least
i.e. a lot of the music we've switched over to avoid. There's really no
excuse for Junior Senior on there.
> listened to daytime performer, whereas Ken Bruce had the Pernice Brothers
as
Now enjoying his best ever figures, apparently.
> his Record of the Week the other week. The words "legal eagle" always make
Oh absolutely. The notice on their playlist website may be boasting a
little, but they have a point.
The records of the week do vary though. One week it's Calexico or the Mull
Historical Society, then the next it could be Shania Twain or Gareth Gates.
> me think of Radio 2 as few as six years ago.
He was still there last year, actually. I didn't mind him though, it was
just Jimmy Young I didn't like.
I'd have to say that in my own case, the biggest factor was probably hearing
R2 on other people's radios and realising that it wasn't as bad as I
thought. It remains the station of choice on my office radio, and it's
already lasted longer than Magic, Heart, Capital or R1 did.
Sorry, better get back on-topic.
> > > after Mayo got rid of the Golden Years, I think when Kev'n'Zoe started
>
> Yeah, but I recall he definitely dropped it for a while, unless I'm just
> getting confused about when the Golden Hour turned into the Mystery Years.
Yeah, Mystery Years. *That's* what I was thinking of.
Perhaps the reference sounded to non-target.
> If anyone else was listening I could ask around for exactly when. Wasn't
it
> called Radio 1's Greatest Hits for a while?
Don't remember that, but it could have been.
I didn't start listening in daytime until about three or four years back
> > He definitely did one on his farewell show, too.
>
> That was just a personal favourites selection, though, where he got to
play
> Northern Sky and Blitzkrieg Bop at last.
That was his other feature I couldn't remember the name of, where he
normally got listeners to pick an old record, a recent record and a current
record. I've yet to hear anyone rip that off, strangely.
He did Mystery Years in the first hour too - although he asked listeners to
pick the years, which spoilt the mystery a bit.
[Edith]
> Can't disagree - it always seemed to me that on RI:SE Bowman was being
> pigeonholed alongside Liz Bonnin into a kind of Trinny and Susannah of
Amazingly enough, I haven't watched RI:SE. :-)
> showbiz which was completely alien to what she'd been like on MTV, and now
> she's being set up as Colin's stooge doing breast references valiantly
> trying not to sound pissed off by it, which is why I say I'd like to hear
I presume if she was severely annoyed about it, they'd have stopped it by
now. But she does seem to be tiring of it.
> > Just to clarify here - I was accusing Dance Anthems of alienating the
Top
> 40
> > audience.
> that time had collapsed. Now of course Capital has dance shows against
dance
> shows (bar a rock show at the very listener-friendly time of 11pm
Saturdays)
I assume Capital has cut down on its rock programming since the XFM
purchase. OTOH, I heard it in a chipshop a few Saturdays ago and they were
playing Kings of Leon.
> > as odd that 1Xtra gets to creep into R1 (at least during Peel's
Holidays)
> > but 6Music doesn't get anything on R1 or R2.
>
> They had a theme night on R2 just before Christmas, but it seems that,
Yeah, I remember that although I didn't listen to it.
> > The main thing that puts me off a formal 6Music sampler is that it would
> be
> > annoyingly tantalising for people like me who don't have digital
radios -
> > and absolutely infuriating for people who couldn't get a digital signal
if
> > they had.
>
> This is why I restrained myself from referring to it as a formal sampler -
> something with that kind of playlist approach, like, indeed, Maconie's
album
> show where he'd play Prefab Sprout next to Eels next to... Can I remember
> guesting on it once. Kind of 'if you like the off-playlist stuff Radcliffe
> plays...' marketing.
Yeah, I think he was the first DJ in Britain to play Eels. I remember he
managed to get Paul McCartney and David Bowie on there as interview guests.
Although of course, he had to play Dina Carrol and stuff as well.
> > OTOH, I would like to hear more Lammo.
>
> Me too. Remember him doing a 4pm show one New Year's Day following
Mary-Ann?
Nope. Sounds good though.
> > > studio, a 1Xtra lift, highlights from a festival set and, I dunno, a
big
> > gig
> > > from the archives.
> >
> > "Big gig from the archives" is a little close to the Dream Ticket
though.
> > Plus even the slightly older post-Top-40 audience we're talking about
> > probably won't be that interested in Led Zeppelin or whatever.
>
> My fault for not explaining better - I meant a more recent gig by a Radio
1
> artist, so you could have Oasis big gigs, Robbie at Knebworth or wherever,
> Blur at Mile End, One Big Sunday flashbacks etc.
Fair enough, although I'm sad to say that even Blur at Mile End might be a
bit too old for the assumed audience.
> > interviews or something and bingo! You've got cross-promotion that's
much
> > less annoying than random trailers. Shouldn't be too expensive either,
if
> > they could persuade the record companies to co-operate.
>
> There's a germination of another idea in here, which is a kind of Stuff
You
> May Have Missed From The Week, somewhere to repeat all the big interviews
GLR used to do this too.
> classic session tracks throughout the day, which I always thought they
> couldn't do because of the royalties aspect, there's certainly nothing
> stopping all of this.
Presumably they had to renegotiate with the record companies, as they must
have done in order to put stuff online.
But it isn't really in the labels' interest to refuse.
> (TBC)
Chris
Chris Brown
>>it is an emergent scene that
>> isn't massively covered elsewhere.
>> It seems a better fit for the public >>service remit than a big pile-up
of
> >house DJs.
>Ah, I see what you mean now. On that >score, it's certainly worth giving
them
>more airtime, although I notice there's >some amount of cross-promotion
going
>on anyway, as Nihal appears to pop into >Moyles' studio occasionally and of
>course they won the Sony this year. This
Yeah. Even so, they're only likely to get listeners in that sort of slot (or
online) who already know they're interested.
If you'd asked me before a few months ago whether I was interested in Desi
Beats, I would probably have made an unfunny joke about I Love Lucy; whereas
if there was some of it on at a time when I happened to be listening, I
might like it. That's what happened with the Panjabi MC records (though not
with the Bhangra Knights). Of course, I may not like it, but that's how it
goes.
That Times article quoted Alex Jone-Donnelly as saying he planned to slip
specialist music "under the listener's radar," and that's partly what I have
in mind.
>It always seems to me that Radio 1 haven't got a clue what to do with M&L,
>as they clearly can't just drop them because of their massive fanbase and
>they like what they do but you can't actually explain the act to anyone,
No. And even if you did, it takes time to get into.
>hence you don't see a lot of advertising for the show, not even
subliminally
>like how Moyles is always being referred to on breakfast, so a couple of
Not exactly, although they do crop up to do the odd voice on competitions.
>years ago there was a lot of talk about how Moyles was bound to be TV's
next
>big hitter (heh heh heh...) yet when he was on breakfast Radcliffe's only
One hesitates to use the phrase "Great face for radio," but...
>extra-curricular activity was midweek regional filler Schools Challenge. I
Though that may also reflect TV not knowing what to do with him.
>you couldn't do anything with it in terms of tabloid reach. (Craig Brown
>once 'did' M&L in the diary in Private Eye, and he'd clearly never heard of
>them but had read that Radio 1 was being accused of being laddish so just
>did a load of Moyles-esque stuff about fancying birds, which illustrated
the
>point perfectly)
I didn't see that piece, but I do remember the controversy. I think I
remember hearing that Geri Halliwell had personally defended Lammo against
accusations of laddishness, although that may just have been a bizzare
dream.
I don't think M&L are entirely free of laddishness and crudity in any case,
although this isn't necessarily a bad thing.
>> I can't imagine them or any other radio station allowing one of their
>> presenters to bunk off and work for a rival station for two weeks,
>Yeah, this is the only real drawback to my idea, although looking at
>Capital's schedules (I'm researching my points now!) I can't see anyone R1
I'd be hard-pressed to name a Capital DJ other than the ones who've been
there ages.
>would be looking at, and as I say there's no-one making a splash outside
the
>capital, although you could say the same about Scott Mills at Heart.
True enough. You'd know better than I would about that.
>> Still, that leaves people who are out of contract, people new to radio
and
>> presumably people elsewhere in the Beeb. And Chris Eva... oh no, hang on
a
>> minute.
>Another problem might be that then the Beeb would stand accused of ignoring
>radio DJs in favour of fast-tracking people off the telly, and that
famously
>didn't go down too well when they did it with Zoe and Sara.
Though it obviously didn't go down badly enough to stop them doing it again.
I don't know if there are any good ex-DJs around, but the evidence of Noel
Edmonds over on R2 suggests there aren't.
I don't suppose Dave Grohl would be available? :-)
>Who was the last
>Radio 1 DJ to be recruited from another BBC station, by the way? Wes and
>Nemone came from Galaxy, Mills Heart, Vicky Marsden Ayia Napa FM (!)...
!
Hmm. The Dreem Team were from Kiss, right? And Moyles from Capital.
The only one I can think of is Chris Evans.
>> That is annoying, but I was also thinking of another phenomenon; records
>> that were moderately big hits and high on the playlist at the time, but
> >continue to recur in between the current playlist stuff.
>Ah, I see now - DMX springs to mind too.
I still can't tell whether he's threatening or promisisng.
What's funny about that record is that XFM predictably played a snatch of it
at the top of alternate hours for months, but when O'Connell accidentally
started playing the record, he had to yank it off pretty sharpish.
And just to prove that this isn't a genre thing, I'd like to nominate
Bowling for Soup and the Supermen Lovers as well.
>> There's a fine line between representing the licence-payer's taste (ie
>> playing the biggest sellers) and using the lack of commercial pressure to
be
>> more experimental.
>The argument there would be that part of their public service remit would
be
>to play the populist/popular stuff to draw in the wider young
listenership -
Oh absolutely. It's all very well for, say, XFM to complain about R1 not
giving enough exposure to new UK talent or whatever, but you can see how
much hot air emerges every time R1 loses listeners. And to some extent, it's
an advantage to the Cooper Temple Clauses and Libertines of this world that
they can get heard by a non-specialist audience.
I like to call this the Builders' Radio Factor. And it's something the
specialist aren't immune to: Xfm play Lenny Kravitz and Pink Floyd, and even
Kiss with its more populist basis had to resort to playing Toploader.
>> Certainly the link there once was between R1 exposure and chart success
has
>> been greatly weakened.
In both directions, I should have said
>QED. The great paradox was that ten years ago, before the Bannister
>revolution, R1 was a byword for uncool and got 15m listeners whereas now
>they're more expansive and have 8m listeners while people retune to bland
>tinpot local radio. Whatever you think of the Evans breakfast show, the
fact
That's true, but I don't quite see it as a paradox; it's no surprise to me
that bland tinpot local radio is exactly what people want. That's why Will
Young sells so many records.
They'll never get as many listeners as they once had, of course, because
they have so much more competition: more commercial radio and now digital
stations, but also Radio 2 and external things like in-car CDs and MP3
players.
>was that listenership across the board rose greatly at the same time as his
>figures did - famously he was such a fan of M&L he later said he didn't
want
>to go up against them at breakfast and of course recommended them as his
>holiday stand-ins. There's an almost unique balance to be struck here,
>however much ratings chasing goes against the supposed BBC values.
But the question is, was it worth the pain? Not of the show, I mean, but of
its inevitable demise.
It would be hard to pull another one of those out of the hat.
I think I might assemble a few of my random ideas into another post
sometime.
Chris
Joe Dunckley
<jero@DELETED!!ralphjacobs.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> be
> played.
And there should be a limit on how often it can be played after it's taken
off the playlist. I hardly ever listen to radio 1, except M&L and Lamacq
live, yet I still manage to hear Wheatus' 'Teenage Dirtbag' every few
weeks. It didn't deserve the air time 2 years ago, and it still doesn't
deserve the air time.
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"Joe Dunckley" <sp...@steinsky.me.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:58:02 +0100, Jero
> <jero@DELETED!!ralphjacobs.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> > The longer a track stays on the playlist, the less frequently it should
> > be played.
>
> And there should be a limit on how often it can be played after it's taken
> off the playlist. I hardly ever listen to radio 1, except M&L and Lamacq
> live, yet I still manage to hear Wheatus' 'Teenage Dirtbag' every few
> weeks. It didn't deserve the air time 2 years ago, and it still doesn't
> deserve the air time.
>
heard several times a day over nearly twelve months after it left the chart.
Why? You can play records as much as you want - it doesn't make them any
less cack than they were the first time!
FreshFace...@hotmail.com
"Jack Taylor" <Ja...@Carney.co.uk> wrote in message
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is less interesting than watching the history channel on mogadon
whilst thumbing thru a seed catalogue
As for M&L me thinks they parady themselves good sirs, I'll be...,only
slightly less predictable than Nick Cambel
Mind you if we could hear more of there songs, you know like when
S.Helmsmann left
Breakfast radio? Yeah well lets see listen to radio in car, maybe at work if
Im <c class
Hmm wake up in morning either read BILLS or watch TELLY cus I got FascistDBS
200+ channels of
"oh I must remortgage my house cus the TELLY needs replacing AND I WANT A
WHITE UPVC GREENHOUSE ATTACHED TO MY FACE"
Lets have a great big flambouyant POOF ranting on in some easy code about
COCKS HE SUCKED (at) LAST NIGHTS MTV awards
TEAMED WITH A FASTING SHORTHAIRCUT LESBIAN VEGIE ANTI(male)SEX FASCISTO-PC
KILLER WHALE NAMED GLORIER HEMP-BURN-T-SHIRT HippE the 3rd(TM)(who we all
think, cus we is fick, will result in the WEDdING OF THE CENTURY!!!)
Nah fuckit, RAdio 2 got J.Ross, fucking beat me to it
NNTP=NotNiceType(of)People
hey that should be my sig, not yours, now when I was in charge, well garden
of Eden it was...
Chris Baker
Nice to read your very intelligent thoughts there
> "FreshFa...@FreshFacedTroll.cccp" <FreshFace...@hotmail.com>
wrote some crap
Simon Tyers
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> Jez I and MANY PEOPLE I KNOW fink cwis moyels is a fat self centred twat
who
> is less interesting than watching the history channel on mogadon
> whilst thumbing thru a seed catalogue
>
> As for M&L me thinks they parady themselves good sirs, I'll be...,only
> slightly less predictable than Nick Cambel
> Mind you if we could hear more of there songs, you know like when
> S.Helmsmann left
>
> Breakfast radio? Yeah well lets see listen to radio in car, maybe at work
if
> Im <c class
> Hmm wake up in morning either read BILLS or watch TELLY cus I got
FascistDBS
> 200+ channels of
> "oh I must remortgage my house cus the TELLY needs replacing AND I WANT A
> WHITE UPVC GREENHOUSE ATTACHED TO MY FACE"
>
> Lets have a great big flambouyant POOF ranting on in some easy code about
> COCKS HE SUCKED (at) LAST NIGHTS MTV awards
> TEAMED WITH A FASTING SHORTHAIRCUT LESBIAN VEGIE ANTI(male)SEX
FASCISTO-PC
> KILLER WHALE NAMED GLORIER HEMP-BURN-T-SHIRT HippE the 3rd(TM)(who we all
> think, cus we is fick, will result in the WEDdING OF THE CENTURY!!!)
>
>
> Nah fuckit, RAdio 2 got J.Ross, fucking beat me to it
Get back to work, Mr Parfitt!
Andrew Broughton
0700 - Colin & Edith (No problem with Cox, just prefer Colin & Edith)
1000 - Scott Mills (Bit more in-touch with listeners)
1300 - Mark & Lard
1500 - Chris Moyles
1800 - Dave Pearce (including Friday)
Saturday & Sunday Mornings
0700 - Sarah HB (Does a great show - just get rid of the image of Reload,
just incorparate it into normal show)
1000 - Jamie Theakston did a good job, if not - Nemone
I think the "Club" side of Radio 1 should be drawn back to later listening
times.
Get rid of WES and "Official Chart Show", get the Official Top 40 - Scott
Mills did good job.
bbc@myway@com
> Hello Simon,
> You put a very good argument across for the Overhaul of the nation's 2nd
> biggest radio station. For me I stopped listening when the UK Top 40
> Changed to the Official Chart Show wiv wez.
> yoof radio. No Thanks!.
> Smash Hit's Chart are the ONLY people to actually Play 40 of the Most
> Popular Songs. ans so I listen to the Best Radio Presenter there is on UK
> Radio Mr Mark Goodier.
I second that. I stopped listening to Radio One the week after
the new "Chart Show" replaced the complete Top 40 show with Scott Mills.
Lost reception a couple of months later when R1 moved satellite and am
not missing it much.
BTW, is the Mark Goodier show anywhere on satellite or webcast?
I'd love to hear him doing the countdown again. British Forces Radio are
doing a great job running down a complete chart each Monday or 7°East, still
is would be great to hear Mark again.
aJax
> Get rid of WES and "Official Chart Show", get the Official Top 40 - Scott
> Mills did good job.
>
>
Yeah I thought Scott did a not too bad job. As for Colin, Edith and
Sara: I'll agree to disagree. And you can't scrap Jo Whiley. She has a
thing about phone ins but whenever I hear Nemone at 10 (all too often) I
do miss her.