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Date: 11 Mar 2002 19:05:07 -0000
From: "Eli Pariser, 9-11Peace"
Subject: A moment to reflect


It was six months ago today that commercial jets crashed into the
World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and the terrible impact of those
collisions continues to reverberate throughout our lives.

In the days and weeks after September 11th, you joined half a million
other people from around the world in signing the 9-11peace petition
and urging world leaders to exercise restraint in their response.
Now, six months later, we're writing to brief you on our work and
to highlight an opportunity to help.

The petition that you were part of was a great success. With
participants form 192 countries, widespread media attention, and even
a personal response from Tony Blair, we are confident that our message
was heard.

Since the petition, we have expanded 9-11peace into an ongoing
grassroots action network. 9-11peace is now a campaign of MoveOn.org,
an organization that helps people influence national leaders through
the internet. 9-11peace action alerts reach hundreds of thousands
worldwide; in recent months members have sent close to 100,000 emails
to world leaders, made thousands of phone calls, and written hundreds
of letters to newspapers.

But unfortunately it appears the work for peace is just beginning.
The Bush administration has declared a permanent state of war, without
clearly identified goals or an endpoint, which is a threat to us all.
And the international structures that can support a democratic and
just response to terrorism are just now being built.

Six months after September 11th, it is time for a memorial. The best
way we can imagine to pay our respects is by making a commitment to
creating a better world, a world in which terrorism and war are only
a bad memory. We invite you to join us in this most important work.

The 9-11peace campaign is supporting a group of American victims'
families, September Eleventh Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, in their
efforts to create a compensation fund for the families of Afghan
victims. They are running a Washington call-in campaign. Can you help?

Contact your Senators through the main Capitol Hill switchboard:

Capitol Hill Switchboard (202) 224-3121 or (202) 225-3121

Make sure their staffers know you're a constituent. Then urge them to:

"Please support September Eleventh Families for Peaceful Tomorrows
by enacting a Afghan Victims Compensation Fund."

The US military response has lead to the deaths of many innocent
Afghan civilians -- perhaps thousands of them. For their families,
circumstances could not be more dire. Those whose homes have been
leveled now live in houses made of scraps of metal; food is scarce and
the winter is extremely cold.

September Eleventh Families for Peaceful Tomorrows is urging Congress
to set up an Afghan Victims Compensation Fund that would provide money
for bare necessities for these families. Further information is
attached below.

Over 25 members of Congress have expressed their sympathy and support
for the idea of a compensation fund for innocent Afghan victims when
Peaceful Tomorrows members met with them in late January. Now they
need to hear from you.

Sincerely,

- Eli Pariser
The 9-11peace Campaign
MoveOn.org
March 11, 2002

For more information on the 9-11peace Campaign, please visit:
http://9-11peace.org/

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A MESSAGE FROM SEPTEMBER ELEVENTH FAMILIES FOR PEACEFUL TOMORROWS

Peaceful Tomorrows is a group of family members of September
Eleventh victims who are working for peace.

"Six months ago members of our families and thousands of other
innocents lost their lives in the attacks on the World Trade Center,
the Pentagon and on Flight 93. The loss of innocent lives continues --
it has now been over five months since the beginning of US military
action in Afghanistan in which other families have also suffered.
Yet there is no official acknowledgment that innocent Afghan
civilians have been killed or maimed in the bombing. While the number
of civilian casualties is unclear, estimates range from 1,000 to
4,000 people.

The innocent victims in Afghanistan who lost their lives during
the U.S. air strikes deserve our compassion and support. Out of our
concern for our Afghan "sister families," four Peaceful Tomorrows
members traveled to Afghanistan in January with Global Exchange
visiting dozens of grieving and devastated Afghan families. Many of
the families of those who were killed or injured by US bombs are
living in dire economic straits. We returned from our visit
determined to help our Afghan sister families.

We are calling on the US government to conduct a detailed study of
civilian casualties and create a fund to help the affected families.
Afghan relief organizations suggest an average grant of $10,000 to
rebuild homes, restock possessions, secure adequate medical and
psychological care, or compensate for the loss of breadwinners and
caretakers. Assuming 2,000 families seek compensation, this would
amount to $20 million. Twenty million is less than one day零 military
expense during the bombing campaign, which cost $30 million a day.

While we pressure the US government to do a study and create a fund,
we are starting this critical work ourselves. Peaceful Tomorrows
and Global Exchange, together with Afghan groups, are doing a
survey of civilian casualties and providing immediate help to
desperately poor people who were mistakenly hurt during the US
military campaign. Please join us. When Peaceful Tomorrows members
met with families in Afghanistan they expressed their empathy for our
situation. Please help us to show them that Americans care about their
well-being and are sorry for their losses. It is through such
compassion that we will build the foundation for a secure and peaceful
tomorrow."

For more information about Peaceful Tomorrows, please visit:
http://www.peacefultomorrows.org/

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nim

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Mar 12, 2002, 5:48:16 AM3/12/02
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pay the afghans off?
with money?
to become reliant on green paper?
held hostage to world bankers?

Have you NOT heard? Love of money is at the root of all evil.

Your organization is sucking on the wrong teat...greedily, of course,
consumed in your own greed, limiting yourselves to a life of greed.
Perhaps you should pay yourselves...you are victims too. Better
yet...volunteer to share yourselves, helping by volunteering...for free,
because no goods or services will have a cost associated with it in
utopia.

Utopia loves victims. Victims can be such nice people once you get to
know them.

How about re-naming utopia, YOUtopia? A society where ALL needs are
fulfilled, for free, enabling freedom, enabling evolution...for
everyone.

Even the bad guys can have their youtopia in youtopia...

http://www.utopianow.cjb.net/

Eliminate money...enable freedom
its simple.
talk about it.
think about it.
feel it.
Youtopia can't be spun.

> amount to $20 million. Twenty million is less than one day1s military

Rusty Shackleford

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Mar 13, 2002, 8:38:52 AM3/13/02
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Your turban is wound too tight "jumangi".

"-" <jum...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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nim <n...@gci.net> wrote:
> pay the afghans off?
> with money?
> to become reliant on green paper?
> held hostage to world bankers?
>
> Have you NOT heard? Love of money is at the root of all evil.


Then compensation for N.Y.City victims must amount to even more
of that evil. Stand on a street corner there and shout your message.
A Republcian-dominated House wants taxpayers to bail out Enron, too.

> Your organization is sucking on the wrong teat...greedily, of course,
> consumed in your own greed, limiting yourselves to a life of greed.
> Perhaps you should pay yourselves...you are victims too. Better
> yet...volunteer to share yourselves, helping by volunteering...for free,
> because no goods or services will have a cost associated with it in
> utopia.


To whom are you speaking? Not my organization but an
organization operating independently of all newsgroup readers.

> Utopia loves victims. Victims can be such nice people once you get to
> know them.
>
> How about re-naming utopia, YOUtopia? A society where ALL needs are
> fulfilled, for free, enabling freedom, enabling evolution...for
> everyone.
>
> Even the bad guys can have their youtopia in youtopia...
>
> http://www.utopianow.cjb.net/


Nobody has been talking about any "utopia" which is your strawman
fallacy... Misdirection, irrelevancy, perhaps your error of logic.

> Eliminate money...enable freedom
> its simple.
> talk about it.
> think about it.
> feel it.
> Youtopia can't be spun.


Not about you or me. That "elimination of money" merely means
"elimination of other people's money." Nobody is trying "to rid the
world of evil" except those who think that evil can be "eliminated."
Perhaps the evil-doers are the same who try to "eliminate evil."
See if you can stay on topic.

- regards
- jb


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Mar 13, 2002, 1:20:02 PM3/13/02
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"Rusty Shackleford" <400xxx19...@arlen.tx.us> wrote:
> Your turban is wound too tight "jumangi".


Because you were unable to present a cogent argument, you
descended to the level of _ad_hominem_ fallacy. Perhaps you were
reflective of educational disattainment levels in the State of Texas?

- regards
- jb


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Rusty Shackleford

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Mar 13, 2002, 1:33:11 PM3/13/02
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No, you got the response your drivel deserves.


We are on to you "jumangi"


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Rusty Shackleford

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"-" <jum...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Rusty Shackleford" <400xxx19...@arlen.tx.us> wrote:
> > Your turban is wound too tight "jumangi".
>
>
> Because you were unable to present a cogent argument, you
> descended to the level of _ad_hominem_ fallacy. Perhaps you were
> reflective of educational disattainment levels in the State of Texas?
>
>

Pot, kettle "jumangi".
Your agenda is showing.


>
>
>
>
>
> - regards
> - jb
>
>
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Mar 13, 2002, 2:05:58 PM3/13/02
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"Rusty Shackleford" <400xxx19...@arlen.tx.us> wrote:
> No, you got the response your drivel deserves.


You offered "the best response" that you were capable of.
Unfortunately, from the perspective of your "ability" at argument,
it was sadly fallacious, and merely served to discredit yourself.


> We are on to you "jumangi"


I see now that you deployed your tactic of making threats ...


>> "Rusty Shackleford" <400xxx19...@arlen.tx.us> wrote:
>>> Your turban is wound too tight "jumangi".

> "-" <jum...@earthlink.net> wrote in message


>> Because you were unable to present a cogent argument, you
>> descended to the level of _ad_hominem_ fallacy. Perhaps you were
>> reflective of educational disattainment levels in the State of Texas?

"Rusty Shackleford" <400xxx19...@arlen.tx.us> wrote:
> Pot, kettle "jumangi".
> Your agenda is showing.


Thanks, anytime you have doubts about "my agenda," just ask.
Be assured you'll have no need to speculate in the dark about that.
Were you about to "take a dump" on black people, as well ???


- regards
- jb


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Rusty Shackleford

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Mar 13, 2002, 3:54:43 PM3/13/02
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"-" <jum...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Rusty Shackleford" <400xxx19...@arlen.tx.us> wrote:
> > No, you got the response your drivel deserves.
>
>
> You offered "the best response" that you were capable of.
> Unfortunately, from the perspective of your "ability" at argument,
> it was sadly fallacious, and merely served to discredit yourself.
>
>
>
You have no way of konwing that "jumanji". You certainly are familar with
the phrase ad_hominem since you yourself employ it so frequently.

>
>
>
> > We are on to you "jumangi"
>
>
> I see now that you deployed your tactic of making threats ...
>
>

If you think that was a "threat", you bore me.

Last word is your if you wish.

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>> "Rusty Shackleford" <400xxx19...@arlen.tx.us> wrote:
>>> No, you got the response your drivel deserves.

> "-" <jum...@earthlink.net> wrote in message


>> You offered "the best response" that you were capable of.
>> Unfortunately, from the perspective of your "ability" at argument,
>> it was sadly fallacious, and merely served to discredit yourself.

"Rusty Shackleford" <400xxx19...@arlen.tx.us> wrote:
> You have no way of konwing that "jumanji". You certainly are familar with
> the phrase ad_hominem since you yourself employ it so frequently.


I am making no claims to knowledge. If you're not making your
best efforts, then you can be held accountable to newsgroup readers.
One of the reasons for identifying _ad_hominem_ fallacy is a detection
of invalid arguments, which is a task of critical thinking, and also a
fundamental college course in Applied Reasoning and Decision-Making.

>>> We are on to you "jumangi"

>> I see now that you deployed your tactic of making threats ...

> If you think that was a "threat", you bore me.


I'm not trying to "titilate" you with "thrills and spills." This
newsgroup is for a discussion of politics and public policy. Find
your titillations elsewhere. You just might be too insensitive even
to realize when you're making threats versus when you're not ...

> Last word is your if you wish.


Thanks. Longevity is the key, which is why cancerous pollution caused
by automobile exhausts and "anti-intellectualist derangement" is not.


- regards
- jb


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>>>> "Rusty Shackleford" <400xxx19...@arlen.tx.us> wrote:
>>>>> Your turban is wound too tight "jumangi".

>>> "-" <jum...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> Because you were unable to present a cogent argument, you
>>>> descended to the level of _ad_hominem_ fallacy. Perhaps you were
>>>> reflective of educational disattainment levels in the State of Texas?

>> "Rusty Shackleford" <400xxx19...@arlen.tx.us> wrote:
>>> Pot, kettle "jumangi".
>>> Your agenda is showing.

>> Thanks, anytime you have doubts about "my agenda," just ask.
>> Be assured you'll have no need to speculate in the dark about that.
>> Were you about to "take a dump" on black people, as well ???
>>

ludwig

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jum...@earthlink.net (-) wrote in message news:<3c8d2f2b...@news.cis.dfn.de>...

I feel no compunction to help fix a problem created by the Taliban.
Perhaps you may have more success lobbying some Muslim countries.
Whoever said they wanted our help anyway? We don't care about anyone
but ourselves, remember. We're just the big, bad arrogant Americans.

-Ludwig

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