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Eastward Bound

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Dec 20, 2003, 1:13:21 AM12/20/03
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I don't like the uniform the Navy wears. Just like the Cartoon
"Donald Duck" LOL!

Why tie that thing around the neck like that as if it's still the
1930's? Talk about dated - antiquated, antediluvian. Certain styles
get out of fasion after 10 years while others stay in style forever.
The USMC black and Red are an example of good taste that won't go out
of style.

Army Greens won't go out of style either.

When will the Navy re-do it's uniforms?


Ever watched that black and white movie "This is the Army".

:::::Boy wearing his navy blues walksinto room with Pap.g his navy
blues. "Hi Pap" He salutes. Pap responds in disapointment by saying
"the navy" he cringes. The father is an Army man. ::::::


LMAO! That was priceless. Maybe you should go rent it, those black
and white movies are classic.

Colonel Flagg

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Dec 20, 2003, 5:24:18 AM12/20/03
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In article <ff36ca79.03121...@posting.google.com>,
eastward...@yahoo.com says...

> I don't like the uniform the Navy wears. Just like the Cartoon
> "Donald Duck" LOL!


_you_ don't like? lol.

like you have any say-so about it...

>
> Why tie that thing around the neck like that as if it's still the
> 1930's?


Tradition. Something younger folks should be educated in... with a cane
if necessary.

> Talk about dated - antiquated, antediluvian. Certain styles
> get out of fasion after 10 years while others stay in style forever.
> The USMC black and Red are an example of good taste that won't go out
> of style.
>


I won't take a thing away from the Marines on a personal or professional
level. Yes, I agree their uniform looks sharp, however, NOTHING on it
matches... each color is WRONG.

> Army Greens won't go out of style either.
>

Pussies.


> When will the Navy re-do it's uniforms?
>


Hopefully, never.

As for the Army;

34-6 Navy over Army, 2003.

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Dec 20, 2003, 2:16:00 PM12/20/03
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I served in the US Navy from '70 until '74. Toward the end of my time, the
Navy came out with new uniforms with the idea of phasing out the traditional
jumper etc. It was found that shipboard life was not conducive to the suit
type uniforms for E-1 through E-6 as they cannot be folded and put in a
locker like the jumper and 13 button pants. Thus the suit and tie uniform
was made optional. I am not sure of the rules that are used today.
Furthermore, I don't give a crap it you like the uniform or not. Most Army
types that make fun of Navy uniforms usually end up getting the shit beat
out of them from a "Donald Duck" "Colonel Flagg"
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Lorenzo L. Love

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Dec 20, 2003, 2:38:37 PM12/20/03
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You guys need to pay more attention...

> Top enlisted sailor says Naples base will be testing ground for new
> uniform
>
> (EXCERPT) , By Jason Chudy, Stars and Stripes European edition,
> Wednesday, December 17, 2003
>
> NAPLES, Italy — The Navy’s top enlisted member told sailors Tuesday
> that their base will be one of the test areas of a new Navy uniform.
>
> Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy Terry Scott, who met with
> sailors on the base Tuesday afternoon, is in the middle of a two-week
> tour to Navy bases in the Middle East and Europe.
>
> At each stop, sailors have been asking him about the Navy’s new Task
> Force Uniform, he said. Task...

http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=19367

The story goes on to say: > One thing the task force is working on is
“a single working uniform for E-1 to O-10,”

Been there, done that. Didn't work out too well.


Lorenzo L. Love
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Colonel Flagg

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Dec 20, 2003, 2:52:30 PM12/20/03
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In article <1z1Fb.12640$0s2...@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
lll...@thegrid.net says...

> You guys need to pay more attention...
>
> > Top enlisted sailor says Naples base will be testing ground for new
> > uniform
> >
> > (EXCERPT) , By Jason Chudy, Stars and Stripes European edition,
> > Wednesday, December 17, 2003
> >
> > NAPLES, Italy ? The Navy?s top enlisted member told sailors Tuesday

> > that their base will be one of the test areas of a new Navy uniform.
> >
> > Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy Terry Scott, who met with
> > sailors on the base Tuesday afternoon, is in the middle of a two-week
> > tour to Navy bases in the Middle East and Europe.
> >
> > At each stop, sailors have been asking him about the Navy?s new Task

> > Force Uniform, he said. Task...
>
> http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=19367
>
> The story goes on to say: > One thing the task force is working on is
> ?a single working uniform for E-1 to O-10,?

>
> Been there, done that. Didn't work out too well.
>
>
> Lorenzo L. Love
> http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
>

"working uniform" has nothing to do with dress blues.

the navy dress blues, in my opinion and the opinion of just about
everyone I served with in the Navy was that the dress blues are sharp as
hell and show the tradition of the navy.....

Proteus

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Dec 20, 2003, 6:21:18 PM12/20/03
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"Colonel Flagg" <colone...@NOSOUPFORJ00internetwarzone.org> wrote in
message news:MPG.1a4e7284b...@news.charter.net...

> In article <1z1Fb.12640$0s2...@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> lll...@thegrid.net says...
> > You guys need to pay more attention...
> >
> > > Top enlisted sailor says Naples base will be testing ground for new
> > > uniform
> > >
> > > (EXCERPT) , By Jason Chudy, Stars and Stripes European edition,
> > > Wednesday, December 17, 2003
> > >
> > > NAPLES, Italy ? The Navy?s top enlisted member told sailors Tuesday
> > > that their base will be one of the test areas of a new Navy uniform.
> > >
> > > Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy Terry Scott, who met with
> > > sailors on the base Tuesday afternoon, is in the middle of a two-week
> > > tour to Navy bases in the Middle East and Europe.
> > >
> > > At each stop, sailors have been asking him about the Navy?s new Task
> > > Force Uniform, he said. Task...
> >
> > http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=19367
> >
> > The story goes on to say: > One thing the task force is working on is
> > ?a single working uniform for E-1 to O-10,?
> >
> > Been there, done that. Didn't work out too well.
> >
> >
> > Lorenzo L. Love
> > http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
> >
>
>
>
> "working uniform" has nothing to do with dress blues.
>
> the navy dress blues, in my opinion and the opinion of just about
> everyone I served with in the Navy was that the dress blues are sharp as
> hell and show the tradition of the navy.....
>
Worst thing the Navy ever did was allow the women the option to wear the
jumper!!!
I for one agree with tradition and I served from 1984 through 1992 and still
feel that the jumper and 13 button trousers are the best looking dress
uniform.

Colonel Flagg

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Dec 20, 2003, 8:53:04 PM12/20/03
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In article <8M4Fb.174519$M02.1...@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
AnOl...@nospam.rr.com says...

> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > "working uniform" has nothing to do with dress blues.
> >
> > the navy dress blues, in my opinion and the opinion of just about
> > everyone I served with in the Navy was that the dress blues are sharp as
> > hell and show the tradition of the navy.....
> >
> Worst thing the Navy ever did was allow the women the option to wear the
> jumper!!!
> I for one agree with tradition and I served from 1984 through 1992 and still
> feel that the jumper and 13 button trousers are the best looking dress
> uniform.
>


I dunno, they started allowing it while I was in, most didn't go for it
and stuck with their traditional uniform...

Eastward Bound

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Dec 20, 2003, 10:10:04 PM12/20/03
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"Proteus" <AnOl...@nospam.rr.com> wrote in message news:<8M4Fb.174519$M02.1...@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...

13 button uniform? Is that the cracker jack uniform?

I don't like the cracker jack uniform. They need to replace em with
something better.

Colonel Flagg

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Dec 20, 2003, 10:41:35 PM12/20/03
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In article <ff36ca79.03122...@posting.google.com>,
eastward...@yahoo.com says...

>
>
> 13 button uniform? Is that the cracker jack uniform?
>
> I don't like the cracker jack uniform. They need to replace em with
> something better.
>


troll.

Don

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Dec 20, 2003, 10:49:42 PM12/20/03
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AU CONTRAIRE
its was the best you could go on the beach
get drunk roll around in the dirt
take it off shake it out brush it off
put it on and it looked like new
only thing was it you got it wet it stank to high heaven
could not do that in the salt and peppa uniform or whites either


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Eastward Bound

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Dec 21, 2003, 3:02:02 AM12/21/03
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Colonel Flagg <colone...@NOSOUPFORJ00internetwarzone.org> wrote in message news:<MPG.1a4ee07dd...@news.charter.net>...

You are the troll.....by your logic, anyone who gives their honest
oppinion is a troll.

OldGezzer

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Dec 25, 2003, 7:28:55 AM12/25/03
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Well, this is the third try in my lifetime to get rid of the navy togs. In
1964 selected E-5's & 6's were testing the "NEW" Navy uniform on board the
ships. It didn't work out there either because of the storage area and the
pressing, cleaning, etc. required. I've always liked the old uniform with
the Dixie cup lid. I really liked the flat hats too. But I'm not wearing
them anymore so it's up to the ones in uniform now if they want to break
with tradition I guess. HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL.


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seann74

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i
"OldGezzer" <rwa...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Well, this is the third try in my lifetime to get rid of the navy togs. In
> 1964 selected E-5's & 6's were testing the "NEW" Navy uniform on board the
> ships. It didn't work out there either because of the storage area and the
> pressing, cleaning, etc. required. I've always liked the old uniform with
> the Dixie cup lid. I really liked the flat hats too. But I'm not wearing
> them anymore so it's up to the ones in uniform now if they want to break
> with tradition I guess. HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL.
>
>
> "Lorenzo L. Love" <lll...@thegrid.net> wrote in message
> news:1z1Fb.12640$0s2...@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > You guys need to pay more attention...
> >
> > > Top enlisted sailor says Naples base will be testing ground for new
> > > uniform
> > >
> > > (EXCERPT) , By Jason Chudy, Stars and Stripes European edition,
> > > Wednesday, December 17, 2003
> > >
> > > NAPLES, Italy - The Navy's top enlisted member told sailors Tuesday

> > > that their base will be one of the test areas of a new Navy uniform.
> > >
> > > Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy Terry Scott, who met with
> > > sailors on the base Tuesday afternoon, is in the middle of a two-week
> > > tour to Navy bases in the Middle East and Europe.
> > >
> > > At each stop, sailors have been asking him about the Navy's new Task
> > > Force Uniform, he said. Task...
> >
> > http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=19367
> >
> > The story goes on to say: > One thing the task force is working on is
> > "a single working uniform for E-1 to O-10,"
> >
> > Been there, done that. Didn't work out too well.
> >
> >
> > Lorenzo L. Love
> > http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
> >
> > A prayer for our times:
> > ".In this time of war against Osama bin Laden and the oppressive Taliban

i serve in the navy today and i think the blues are the best looking uniform
in the military today. the "cracker jacks" are a long standing part of navy
tradition and i dont see those being replaced anytime soon. the 13 buttons
have a meaning as does the piping on the jumpers. i was givien the servey as
to what i thought of the uniforms we wear today. that survey was basically
about a working uniform. also, as posted before the jumpers, dungarees, and
other uniforms can be folded down to a small package that can be easily
stored in your tiny space allotted to you on a ship. the branch of the navy
that wears cammies are called marines.


Colonel Flagg

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Dec 28, 2003, 5:44:58 AM12/28/03
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In article <y6SdnRMv59e...@comcast.com>, sea...@lycos.com
says...

> the branch of the navy
> that wears cammies are called marines.
>
>
>


classic.

nice way to end a day... with a faint little smirk on my face... thanks.

OldGezzer

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Dec 30, 2003, 5:34:44 PM12/30/03
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Don't forget the clothes stops. A sailor can't go to sea without clothes
stops!

Proteus

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"OldGezzer" <rwa...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Don't forget the clothes stops. A sailor can't go to sea without clothes
> stops!

Might be different terminology, but I was in the Navy from 1984 thru 1992
and I can not recollection anything that was referred to as clothes stops.
Just what did they do????

>
>
>


Colonel Flagg

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Dec 31, 2003, 9:32:34 AM12/31/03
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In article <XirIb.196625$Eq1....@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
AnOl...@nospam.rr.com says...


I'll take the low-road on this one....

"...why, they stop clothes of course."

buh, dum, dum.

Thank you, thank you very much. I'll be here through Friday.

Duke of URL

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In news:MPG.1a5ca8118...@news.charter.net,
Colonel Flagg <colone...@NOSOUPFORJ00internetwarzone.org> radiated
into the WorldWideWait:

> In article <XirIb.196625$Eq1....@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
> AnOl...@nospam.rr.com says...
>> "OldGezzer" <rwa...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:84nIb.155980$%h4.5...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...

>>> Don't forget the clothes stops. A sailor can't go to sea without
>>> clothes stops!
>>
>> Might be different terminology, but I was in the Navy from 1984
>> thru 1992 and I can not recollection anything that was referred to
>> as clothes stops. Just what did they do????

> I'll take the low-road on this one....
> "...why, they stop clothes of course."
> buh, dum, dum.
> Thank you, thank you very much. I'll be here through Friday.

The manager wants to see you - maybe you'd better pack up your
makeup...

Clothes stops were short (`1') lengths of cordage with each end kept
from unraveling by metal crimps. They were used instead of
clothespins, back when Sailors washed their own clothing.


Colonel Flagg

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Dec 31, 2003, 6:57:49 PM12/31/03
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In article <vv5v14q...@corp.supernews.com>, "Duke of URL"
<macbenahATkdsiDOTnet> says...


yea, now I remember.... I think we called 'em something else tho.. not
for sure... we only had (1), which was used for storing our rain coats.
tied in a square not, bitter-ends stuck under and below the knot, making
it look like an "S" with the knot in the center.

Duke of URL

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Dec 31, 2003, 9:10:46 PM12/31/03
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In news:MPG.1a5d2c89a...@news.charter.net,

Colonel Flagg <colone...@NOSOUPFORJ00internetwarzone.org> radiated
into the WorldWideWait:
> In article <vv5v14q...@corp.supernews.com>, "Duke of URL"
> <macbenahATkdsiDOTnet> says...
>> In news:MPG.1a5ca8118...@news.charter.net,
>> Colonel Flagg <colone...@NOSOUPFORJ00internetwarzone.org>
>> radiated into the WorldWideWait:
>>> In article <XirIb.196625$Eq1....@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
>>> AnOl...@nospam.rr.com says...
>>>> "OldGezzer" <rwa...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:84nIb.155980$%h4.5...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
>>
>>>>> Don't forget the clothes stops. A sailor can't go to sea without
>>>>> clothes stops!
>>>>
>>>> Might be different terminology, but I was in the Navy from 1984
>>>> thru 1992 and I can not recollection anything that was referred
>>>> to as clothes stops. Just what did they do????
>>
>>> I'll take the low-road on this one....
>>> "...why, they stop clothes of course."
>>> buh, dum, dum.
>>> Thank you, thank you very much. I'll be here through Friday.
>>
>> The manager wants to see you - maybe you'd better pack up your
>> makeup...
>>
>> Clothes stops were short (~1') lengths of cordage with each end

>> kept from unraveling by metal crimps. They were used instead of
>> clothespins, back when Sailors washed their own clothing.

> yea, now I remember.... I think we called 'em something else tho..
> not for sure... we only had (1), which was used for storing our
> rain coats. tied in a square not, bitter-ends stuck under and below
> the knot, making it look like an "S" with the knot in the center.

I looked in a pre-WW2 BJM and they were called clothes stops then.
I've no idea when they originated, but I suspect it had to be pre-WW1.


Colonel Flagg

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Jan 1, 2004, 4:17:55 AM1/1/04
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In article <vv70da...@corp.supernews.com>, "Duke of URL"
<macbenahATkdsiDOTnet> says...

> >> Clothes stops were short (~1') lengths of cordage with each end


> >> kept from unraveling by metal crimps. They were used instead of
> >> clothespins, back when Sailors washed their own clothing.
>
> > yea, now I remember.... I think we called 'em something else tho..
> > not for sure... we only had (1), which was used for storing our
> > rain coats. tied in a square not, bitter-ends stuck under and below
> > the knot, making it look like an "S" with the knot in the center.
>
> I looked in a pre-WW2 BJM and they were called clothes stops then.
> I've no idea when they originated, but I suspect it had to be pre-WW1.
>
>
>


"..CLOTHES STOP - A small diameter cord, approximately 12 inches, used
to tie laundry to a clothes line - the early Navy clothes pin. Issued to
recruits until 1973."

We were issued one such item, again, I can't remember if that's what
they called it.

Looked for it in my BJM, couldn't find a reference to it anywhere... was
issued the BJM in '90

OldGezzer

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Jan 1, 2004, 2:44:27 PM1/1/04
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You guys are good. Washing dress whites and blues as well as dungarees, we
would roll them up as tight as possible and tie them with two clothes stops.
Them put them in our 3' x 3' foot locker. They dried pretty much wrinkle
free. If we wanted a crease we would put the dress uniforms under the fart
sack on our hammock. Ah the good old Rocks & Shoals days of the Navy.


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Proteus

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"Duke of URL" <macbenahATkdsiDOTnet> wrote in message
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Okay, this I do remember. I was issued a roll of this stuff back in boot
camp 1984!! It was basically a length of string with the metal crimps
placed about 12" apart. You had to have a knife to cut the lengths apart
though. I still have some of the original stored somewhere around here!!!!
If I remember correctly the only we used them for back in boot camp was to
tie our white hats on the line!! It was the only thing we were responsible
for cleaning as everything else was shipped off to the laundry.
>
>


ARGGUY

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Jan 2, 2004, 9:30:51 PM1/2/04
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A little late maybe --

"On the fith day of bootcamp my CC gave to me:

Fiiiive clothes stooooops; 4 white hats, 3 chambray shirts, 2 pairs of
shoes and a diddy bag that wouldn't hold sh*t"

I went through boot camp in '69 - do they still have the 12 general
orders??

Russ
YNC USN-ret

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Christopher Horner

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Jan 2, 2004, 9:51:21 PM1/2/04
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On 2 Jan 2004 18:30:51 -0800, ARGGUY <ima...@msn.com> wrote:

> A little late maybe --
>
> "On the fith day of bootcamp my CC gave to me:
>
> Fiiiive clothes stooooops; 4 white hats, 3 chambray shirts, 2 pairs of
> shoes and a diddy bag that wouldn't hold sh*t"
>

Hehe!

> I went through boot camp in '69 - do they still have the 12 general
> orders??
>

I went through twenty years after you and we still had the 12 general
orders, of which today I can recall exactly one.

> Russ
> YNC USN-ret
>

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Colonel Flagg

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Jan 2, 2004, 9:59:07 PM1/2/04
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In article <5cbe8ede.04010...@posting.google.com>,
ima...@msn.com says...

> A little late maybe --
>
> "On the fith day of bootcamp my CC gave to me:
>
> Fiiiive clothes stooooops; 4 white hats, 3 chambray shirts, 2 pairs of
> shoes and a diddy bag that wouldn't hold sh*t"
>
> I went through boot camp in '69 - do they still have the 12 general
> orders??
>
> Russ
> YNC USN-ret


they did when I was there in '90.

Colonel Flagg

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Jan 2, 2004, 10:01:14 PM1/2/04
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In article <mulJb.200113$Eq1.1...@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
AnOl...@nospam.rr.com says...

>
> Okay, this I do remember. I was issued a roll of this stuff back in boot
> camp 1984!! It was basically a length of string with the metal crimps
> placed about 12" apart. You had to have a knife to cut the lengths apart
> though. I still have some of the original stored somewhere around here!!!!
> If I remember correctly the only we used them for back in boot camp was to
> tie our white hats on the line!! It was the only thing we were responsible
> for cleaning as everything else was shipped off to the laundry.
> >
> >


I bet we didn't wear our white hats more than a week total... I went in
Feb. and as you can imagine, Great Lakes is as cold as a Master Chief's
dressing down after a weekend of boozin'....

Seawolf

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Jan 2, 2004, 10:45:26 PM1/2/04
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"Christopher Horner" <hor...@earthlinkES.ADnet> wrote in message
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There were 11 when I went through in '88, (Orlando)

1) To take charge of this post and all government property in view.

2) To walk my post in a military manner, keeping always on the alert and
observing everything that takes place within sight or hearing.

3) To report all violations of orders that I am instructed to enforce.

4) To repeat all call from posts more distant from the guard house than my
own.

5) To quit my post only when properly relieved.

6) To receive, obey, and pass on to the sentry who relieves me, all orders
from the CO, CDO, OOD, and officers on Petty Officers of the watch only.

7) To talk to no one except in the line of duty.

8) To give the alarm in case of fire or disorder.

9) To call the OOD in any case not covered by instructions.

10) To salute all officers and all colors and standards not cased.

11) To be especially watchful at night and during the time for challenging,
to challenge all persons on or near my post and to allow no one to pass
without proper authority.

These may not be worded perfectly as I don't have access to my BJM right
now, but I do remember the "General Orders" for the most part as I violated
number 7 when I was standing ASF in Hawaii and the Gunny in charge caught
me. My choice was Mast or write the General Orders 1000 times. Guess which
one I chose.....................


Brent
MMC(SW/AW)

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