news.groups questions
John Smith
On news.groups (newsgroup for discussion of the creation of new newsgroups)
there are some mysterious messages. What do these mean:
- CFV CANCELLED: comp.lang.php
- REMOVE c.g.d.art, c.g.d.audio
- Removing rec.arts.drwho.mod
- Request: Add group alt.binaries.vcd.svcd
- REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
- Request new vote on "alt.support.srs"
- RESULT: comp.lang.php passes 177:11
- RESULT: comp.object.corba.tao fails 101:9
- RFD: comp.games.development.* reorganization
- RFD: moderate soc.culture.nordic
- UVV: Daily "CFVs in Progress" status report (2002/06/30)
- Vote Results, first six months 2002
- why so long for n.a.n approval?
- [l/m 6/2/98] FAQ on FAQs
- Is it acceptable to issue a 2nd RFD that differs from a 1st RFD only in
that the Proponent has been changed?
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Timo Salmi
> On news.groups (newsgroup for discussion of the creation of new newsgroups)
> there are some mysterious messages. What do these mean:
John, first a personal note. Now that we have had the privilege of
some useful and interesting feedback exchanges, I have the feeling
that you sometimes may expect too much foresight from the other
party. You'll recall that e.g. I had some difficulties originally
understanding your goals right in the afterwards welcome "of proper
quoting" discussion.
> - CFV CANCELLED: comp.lang.php
There was an unregularity in the said voting process and it had to
be taken a second time. That occasionally happens.
> - REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> - Request new vote on "alt.support.srs"
> - RESULT: comp.lang.php passes 177:11
> - RESULT: comp.object.corba.tao fails 101:9
> - RFD: comp.games.development.* reorganization
> - RFD: moderate soc.culture.nordic
> - UVV: Daily "CFVs in Progress" status report (2002/06/30)
> - Vote Results, first six months 2002
> - why so long for n.a.n approval?
These all relate to the newsgroups' creation processes. I have some
information and links to the process at
How does one create a new Usenet newsgroup?
http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/createng.html
You probably are very familiar with the process. So what is, or
which are the specific problem points? I, again, am not confident
that I am fully following your line of thought.
> - Is it acceptable to issue a 2nd RFD that differs from a 1st RFD only in
> that the Proponent has been changed?
The voting process involves the 1st and the 2nd CVF (call for votes)
so why not RFDs also?
All the best, Timo
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John Smith <no....@no.spam.fi> sat on the sofa and said:
>Hi!
>
>On news.groups (newsgroup for discussion of the creation of new newsgroups)
>there are some mysterious messages. What do these mean:
Well, did you open the messages and read them? I would think that the
beginning of most of these messages would tell you what the message is
about.
You will need to find the first message; replies to the first message will
have the same title but with "Re: " added to the beginning.
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John Smith
Timo Salmi wrote:
>John Smith <no....@no.spam.fi> wrote:
>> On news.groups (newsgroup for discussion of the creation of new newsgroups)
>> there are some mysterious messages. What do these mean:
>
>These all relate to the newsgroups' creation processes. I have some
>information and links to the process at
>
> How does one create a new Usenet newsgroup?
> http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/createng.html
>
>You probably are very familiar with the process. So what is, or
>which are the specific problem points? I, again, am not confident
>that I am fully following your line of thought.
Yes, I'm familiar with the process. I wanted to point out how a newbie
might see the discussion on news.groups with the seemingly strange subject
headers.
There doesn't seem to be a short page about the process of creating
newsgroups, so you could give a URL for a newbie who might ask on
news.groups or on a newbie newsgroup what those messages are about.
I think these pages aren't short enough for a curious newbie lurking the
newsgroups:
http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/big-eight.html
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/
Maybe there isn't need for a shorter page?
Heinrich Schramm
>There doesn't seem to be a short page about the process of creating
>newsgroups, so you could give a URL for a newbie who might ask on
>news.groups or on a newbie newsgroup what those messages are about.
Well, we have the following text on the nnq homepage:
<http://member.newsguy.com/~schramm/ncreate.html>
IMO it's short enough for a newbie who is only interested in the basic
process, but it also has some links to additional information for those
who want to read more. Does this text somehow come close to your idea?
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John Smith
Heinrich Schramm wrote:
>John Smith <no....@no.spam.fi> wrote:
>
>>There doesn't seem to be a short page about the process of creating
>>newsgroups, so you could give a URL for a newbie who might ask on
>>news.groups or on a newbie newsgroup what those messages are about.
>
>Well, we have the following text on the nnq homepage:
>
><http://member.newsguy.com/~schramm/ncreate.html>
I liked the introductions of http://members.tripod.com/~emjo/usenet/ and
http://www.webster.edu/~hcohen/week4/reganw4.html, but the introduction
could be even shorter. If a person really is interested on the subject
(s)he will read more about it.
The introduction could be something like this:
The creation of a newsgroup in rec.*, talk.*, soc.*, comp.*, news.*,
humanities.*, sci.*, and misc.* hierarchies (collectively known as the
"Big
Eight") goes like this, in short:
1. A request for discussion (RFD) is posted to
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, and any other related groups.
2. After the discussion period, a call for votes (CFV) is posted to
news.announce.newgroups.
3. At the end of the voting period, the results are posted to
news.announce.newsgroup.
4. If there are no serious objections and if there were 100 more "yes"
votes than "no" votes, and if at least two-thirds of the total number of
votes were "yes" votes, the group will be created, and the moderator
will
send out an announcement.
Red Mike
wrote:
>I liked the introductions of http://members.tripod.com/~emjo/usenet/ and
>http://www.webster.edu/~hcohen/week4/reganw4.html, but the introduction
>could be even shorter. If a person really is interested on the subject
>(s)he will read more about it.
Good and easily understood information for newbies on newsgroup
creation should be a non-issue. Its a complicated process in most
hierarchies, and simplification of the information doesn't make the
process easier. Even with all the help in the world, a newbie is
unlikely to be able to get through the process. Concerning the
questions from newbies I've seen on newsgroup creation, and regardless
of how much they learn about the technical aspect, most seem to miss
one basic point: Where are the potential participants? Usually,
there aren't any.
I doubt very many successful groups have been sponsored by anyone with
fewer than two very active years on Usenet.
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John Smith
Red Mike wrote:
>On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:44:35 GMT, John Smith <no....@no.spam.fi>
>wrote:
>
>Good and easily understood information for newbies on newsgroup
>creation should be a non-issue. Its a complicated process in most
>hierarchies, and simplification of the information doesn't make the
>process easier. Even with all the help in the world, a newbie is
>unlikely to be able to get through the process.
I meant a page that would just tell the idea for those who don't want to
create a newgroup, but who just want to get an overall idea of the process
and to understand those acronyms seen on news.groups subject headers. Maybe
there's no need for that kind of introduction.
Timo Salmi
> On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:44:35 GMT, John Smith <no....@no.spam.fi> wrote:
> >could be even shorter. If a person really is interested on the subject
> >(s)he will read more about it.
> Good and easily understood information for newbies on newsgroup
> creation should be a non-issue. Its a complicated process in most
I think the best piece of newbie advice about creating newsgroups (I
do not recall by whom) is this one:
"If you do not know how to create a new Usenet newsgroup, you should
not be considering it."
All the best, Timo
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BarB
>
>Good and easily understood information for newbies on newsgroup
>creation should be a non-issue. Its a complicated process in most
>hierarchies, and simplification of the information doesn't make the
>process easier. Even with all the help in the world, a newbie is
>unlikely to be able to get through the process. Concerning the
>questions from newbies I've seen on newsgroup creation, and regardless
>of how much they learn about the technical aspect, most seem to miss
>one basic point: Where are the potential participants? Usually,
>there aren't any.
>
>I doubt very many successful groups have been sponsored by anyone with
>fewer than two very active years on Usenet.
newcomers with zero to little posting experience who are unfamiliar
with searching for discussion. If they don't see on their server a
specific group for lime-jello desserts with fruit and marshmallows
they may think the answer is to make a new group.
Those with a couple of active years on Usenet can find the right
general groups and get a dialog going on most any topic.
BarB