Censorship on an Unmoderated OPEN Mailing List
Cognitee
More Scandal in Clinical Psychology:
Dear Readers:
Many of you are aware of the criticisms I have lodged against the
Amer. Psyc. Assoc. and how I have formally submitted my complaints to
all relevant APA offices and officers and asked for a reply (beginning
my urgings for a reply well over 1 yr. ago). I want all to know that NO
officer of the APA OR any office has ever meaningfully replied. This in
spite of the fact that my complaints were forwarded to the head science
officer (Dr.
Fowler) by no less than the 1998 President-elect, Richard Suinn. (The
present head science officer also has the complaints). I also
had in-person conversations with officers at the APA convention, where I
was assured of a response. Joseph Plaud, who runs a supposedly
open and unmoderated mailing list called CLINICAL-PSYHOLOGISTS has
kicked a friend of mine off of that list for stating his view of how
important it is that APA President Seligman anwser my concerns (my
concerns have been a topic of discussion on the CLINICAL-PSYCHOLOGISTS
mailing list for a couple weeks now). Joe Plaud FALSELY characterizes
the post to the list (quoted DIRECTLY below) as "threatening" and kicks
my friend off this PUBLICALLY FUNDED, OPEN, UNMODERATED mailing list.
Plaud's characterization of what he did and why is quoted directly below
the quote of Ren Cook's "troubling" post.
The APA now operates a mailing list that represents itself as open to
all but which engages in blatant censorship. It does all this while
operating on PUBLIC money. I urge all to join the list to find out more
what is "going on" and I urge all to write to Joseph Plaud. Plauds'
address is: pl...@badlands.NoDak.edu
The procedure for joining the mailing list OPEN TO ALL is:
To join the Clinical-Psychologists forum, send the command
SUBSCRIBE CLINICAL-PSYCHOLOGISTS YOURFIRSTNAME YOURLASTNAME
to LIST...@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU or, if you experience difficulties,
write to CLINICAL-PSYCHO...@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU
Now here are the posts in question. First the supposedly "threatening"
post and then Plaud's announcement of kicking Ren off the list:
>Date:
> Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:46:51 -0800
> Reply-To:
> Clinical Psychologists
> <CLINICAL-PS...@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU>
> From:
> Ren Cook <rec...@rocketmail.com> Add to Address Book
> Subject:
> Seligman (& APA): It's Just Some Science-People now, WHAT
> LATER?
> To:
> CLINICAL-PS...@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU
>
>
>Martin Seligman -- There are now just a relatively
>few science people after you to do more to promote
>needed science and strive to offer more reasonable
>services. If you don't respond to this challenge,
>how will you ever respond to the challenge you will
>have when many people from many different
>perspectives will ask, "What's going on?" ? It is ACT
>NOW, prudently and in a more timely way, or respond
>later, when you shall be under great pressures. It
>IS *NOW* up to you. Will you rise to make the
>changes in policies and take initiatives needed to do
>a better job of meeting the needs of society, good
>sense, and science *OR* will you wait. Do not EVER
>say you had no warning (all shall know better).
>Those who actively avoid facing issues now will have
>to account for it later. That will be more than a
>little difficult. Please accept this cautionary note
>and begin a legitimate response and begin taking some
>responsible actions. Relatively few will have to
>know how negligent you have been if you act now. If
>you don't, though, your legacy will be gravely
>tarnished. Many of the major issues are on the
>table, NOW. You know it. ACT. Respond. cheers, ren
>______________________________________________________
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:21:51 -0800
From: "Joseph P. Arco" <ja...@jarco.mv.com>
Reply-To: Clinical Psychologists
<CLINICAL-PS...@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU>
To: CLINICAL-PS...@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU
Subject: Re: Seligman (& APA): It's Just Some Science-People now, WHAT
LATER?
Joseph J. Plaud wrote:
>
> Dear Ren/Brad, whoever,
>
> Once again I have to deal with some very inappropriate email postings. I
> wil not allow or tolerate any threats made to a distinguished scientist,
> scholar, and president of APA, Dr. Seligman. You have been warned
> repeatedly not to engage in outrageous list posting behavior. There are
> multiple ways to make your point without threats. Ergo, your
> participation on this forum must now be suspended. There are few
> things concerning Internet life that disturb me more than having to take
> this action, but as the listowner, I feel ethically compelled to take
> this action, and hope that this disagreeable matter can now come to an
> end so that the real purposes of our list can be maintained.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Joseph J. Plaud, Ph.D.
> Listowner
--
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Also see my great web resource, the BEST Meta-Index for Psychiatry and clinical Psychology at:
John M Price
In sci.psychology.psychotherapy Cognitee <good...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: was assured of a response. Joseph Plaud, who runs a supposedly
: open and unmoderated mailing list called CLINICAL-PSYHOLOGISTS has
: kicked a friend of mine off of that list for stating his view of how
: important it is that APA President Seligman anwser my concerns (my
No he didn't. He kicked you off. Sock puppeteer that you are.
Everyone knows, Brad. Everyone knows. You fool not a person on the
planet, save maybe Tim Brown.
--
John M. Price, PhD jmp...@calweb.com
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or by finger!
Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion.
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683
I would defend the liberty of consenting adult creationists to practice
whatever intellectual perversions they like in the privacy of their own
homes, but it is necessary to protect the young and innocent.
- Arthur C. Clarke
Dan L. Rogers, Ph.D.
Sounds to me as if you, Bradnee, were kicked off the list.
Besides, anybody can tell that "Ren" is actually you. You're just
using your wife's account again.
You have no supporters. And I am absolutely sure that you did
not post the entire email that was sent by you, under the name of
'Ren,' to Dr. Seligman.
You have a long history of getting kicked out of places, and of
harassing others.
You said you have never received a response from all those respected
leaders of the field of scientific psychology. You mean that they continue
to ignore you. In spite of your self-centered claims that your worn out
"critique" is important; it is ignored by all.
Deal with the criticism that you have faced. Deal with the anger than
you have provoked in so many people.
Cognitee wrote in message ...
>I want all to know that NO
>officer of the APA OR any office has ever meaningfully replied. This in
>spite of the fact that my complaints were forwarded to the head science
>officer (Dr.
>Fowler) by no less than the 1998 President-elect, Richard Suinn. (The
>present head science officer also has the complaints
>...Joseph Plaud, who runs a supposedly
>open and unmoderated mailing list called CLINICAL-PSYHOLOGISTS has
>kicked a friend of mine off of that list for stating his view
>Joseph J. Plaud wrote:
Tim Brown
"Dan L. Rogers, Ph.D." <dlro...@frontiernet.net> writes:
>Sounds to me as if you, Bradnee, were kicked off the list.
>Besides, anybody can tell that "Ren" is actually you. You're just
>using your wife's account again.
>You have no supporters.
He has at least one supporter.
--
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*** Gatewood Galbraith for Governor 1999 ***
Cognitee
The ONLY response I EVER received is not a legitimate response to the
Formal Complaint. I have posted it IN-FULL: it is the note from Richard
McCarty.
To read it (IN-FULL) see the thread: "Note to Suinn: charges against
other APA officers"
In article <6n4e8u$1p52$1...@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "Dan L. Rogers,
Ph.D." <dlro...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> Sounds to me as if you, Bradnee, were kicked off the list.
>
> Besides, anybody can tell that "Ren" is actually you. You're just
> using your wife's account again.
>
> You have no supporters. And I am absolutely sure that you did
> not post the entire email that was sent by you, under the name of
> 'Ren,' to Dr. Seligman.
>
> You have a long history of getting kicked out of places, and of
> harassing others.
>
> You said you have never received a response from all those respected
> leaders of the field of scientific psychology. You mean that they continue
> to ignore you. In spite of your self-centered claims that your worn out
> "critique" is important; it is ignored by all.
>
> Deal with the criticism that you have faced. Deal with the anger than
> you have provoked in so many people.
>
> Cognitee wrote in message ...
>
> >I want all to know that NO
> >officer of the APA OR any office has ever meaningfully replied. This in
> >spite of the fact that my complaints were forwarded to the head science
> >officer (Dr.
> >Fowler) by no less than the 1998 President-elect, Richard Suinn. (The
> >present head science officer also has the complaints
> >...Joseph Plaud, who runs a supposedly
> >open and unmoderated mailing list called CLINICAL-PSYHOLOGISTS has
> >kicked a friend of mine off of that list for stating his view
>
Cognitee
I thank Tim Brown presently for his kindness. I know he, too, has been
attacked. I really don't know why because I have not followed any threads
where he made people angry, etc. Perhaps Tim could e-mail me with an
explanation. I would be interested to hear. In any case, it does seem
that reason and reasonable discourse have not been enough for some in
dealing with Tim. THAT *should* always be enough !! For those for whom
it is not "enough": there we see the dictatorial authoritarian
suppressor. They are a threat to free speech.
P.S. There is also some nice woman who has recently offerred me support.
In article <Ev8vA...@iglou.com>, bath...@iglou1.iglou.com (Tim Brown) wrote:
> "Dan L. Rogers, Ph.D." <dlro...@frontiernet.net> writes:
>
> >Sounds to me as if you, Bradnee, were kicked off the list.
>
> >Besides, anybody can tell that "Ren" is actually you. You're just
> >using your wife's account again.
>
> >You have no supporters.
>
> He has at least one supporter.
> --
> The man with the worst reputation on the Internet - that's me!
> bath...@iglou.com http://members.iglou.com/bathroom Tantrum 95.7 FM
> Read THE LAST WORD -- http://members.iglou.com/bathroom/lastword.html
> *** Gatewood Galbraith for Governor 1999 ***
--
Tim Brown
good...@hotmail.com (Cognitee) writes:
>I thank Tim Brown presently for his kindness. I know he, too, has been
>attacked. I really don't know why because I have not followed any threads
>where he made people angry, etc. Perhaps Tim could e-mail me with an
>explanation.
I could explain publicly: To make a long story short, I do not share the
opinions of many of the most powerful figures on Usenet. So they choose to
attack me and chase me out of newsgroups rather than debating the issues
on a rational level.
The way I made them angry was to disagree with them. They can dish it
out but can't take it.
Philip Kirschner
Dan L. Rogers, Ph.D. wrote:
> Sounds to me as if you, Bradnee, were kicked off the list.
>
> Besides, anybody can tell that "Ren" is actually you. You're just
> using your wife's account again.
>
> You have no supporters.
Dear Mr. Rogers,
I will step out and support him.
> And I am absolutely sure that you did not post the entire email that was sent
> by you, der the name of 'Ren,' to Dr. Seligman.
>
Philip Kirschner
Dear Mr. John M.Price:
I won't dignify you by calling you a doctor. You may add my name to the list
that knows cognitee. Even though we have had disagreements, they were based
upon genuine differences of opinion on what constitutes treatment. Brad has
been accused and assaulted by so-called learned members of the helping
profession. How dare you, or any person with a PHD attached to his name
minimize and attack a person. Especially a consumer.
You are a sorry and bitter person for taking these actions. I believe brads
charges against the APA are true and accurate. This war being waged against
him is wrong, unjusified and unethical. Your character assassinations have
not gone unnoticed by individuals.
John M Price wrote:
> In sci.psychology.psychotherapy Cognitee <good...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> : was assured of a response. Joseph Plaud, who runs a supposedly
> : open and unmoderated mailing list called CLINICAL-PSYHOLOGISTS has
> : kicked a friend of mine off of that list for stating his view of how
> : important it is that APA President Seligman anwser my concerns (my
>
> No he didn't. He kicked you off. Sock puppeteer that you are.
>
> Everyone knows, Brad. Everyone knows. You fool not a person on the
> planet, save maybe Tim Brown.
>
> --
> John M. Price, PhD jmp...@calweb.com
> Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or by finger!
> Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion.
> Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683
>
> I would defend the liberty of consenting adult creationists to practice
> whatever intellectual perversions they like in the privacy of their own
> homes, but it is necessary to protect the young and innocent.
> - Arthur C. Clarke
John M Price wrote:
> In sci.psychology.psychotherapy Cognitee <good...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> : was assured of a response. Joseph Plaud, who runs a supposedly
> : open and unmoderated mailing list called CLINICAL-PSYHOLOGISTS has
> : kicked a friend of mine off of that list for stating his view of how
> : important it is that APA President Seligman anwser my concerns (my
>
Cognitee
Dear Philip K.,
Thank you very much. I surely DO need the support. I thank you for
your open mind and for caring. regards, brad
In article <3597906E...@ix.netcom.com>, Philip Kirschner
<Ph...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr. John M.Price:
>
> I won't dignify you by calling you a doctor. You may add my name to the list
> that knows cognitee. Even though we have had disagreements, they were based
> upon genuine differences of opinion on what constitutes treatment. Brad has
> been accused and assaulted by so-called learned members of the helping
> profession. How dare you, or any person with a PHD attached to his name
> minimize and attack a person. Especially a consumer.
>
> You are a sorry and bitter person for taking these actions. I believe brads
> charges against the APA are true and accurate. This war being waged against
> him is wrong, unjusified and unethical. Your character assassinations have
> not gone unnoticed by individuals.
>
>
>
> John M Price wrote:
>
> > In sci.psychology.psychotherapy Cognitee <good...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > : was assured of a response. Joseph Plaud, who runs a supposedly
> > : open and unmoderated mailing list called CLINICAL-PSYHOLOGISTS has
> > : kicked a friend of mine off of that list for stating his view of how
> > : important it is that APA President Seligman anwser my concerns (my
> >
> > No he didn't. He kicked you off. Sock puppeteer that you are.
> >
> > Everyone knows, Brad. Everyone knows. You fool not a person on the
> > planet, save maybe Tim Brown.
> >
> > --
> > John M. Price, PhD jmp...@calweb.com
> > Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or by finger!
> > Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion.
> > Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683
> >
> > I would defend the liberty of consenting adult creationists to practice
> > whatever intellectual perversions they like in the privacy of their own
> > homes, but it is necessary to protect the young and innocent.
> > - Arthur C. Clarke
>
>
>
>
>
> John M Price wrote:
>
> > In sci.psychology.psychotherapy Cognitee <good...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > : was assured of a response. Joseph Plaud, who runs a supposedly
> > : open and unmoderated mailing list called CLINICAL-PSYHOLOGISTS has
> > : kicked a friend of mine off of that list for stating his view of how
> > : important it is that APA President Seligman anwser my concerns (my
> >
> > No he didn't. He kicked you off. Sock puppeteer that you are.
> >
> > Everyone knows, Brad. Everyone knows. You fool not a person on the
> > planet, save maybe Tim Brown.
> >
> > --
> > John M. Price, PhD jmp...@calweb.com
> > Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or by finger!
> > Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion.
> > Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683
> >
> > I would defend the liberty of consenting adult creationists to practice
> > whatever intellectual perversions they like in the privacy of their own
> > homes, but it is necessary to protect the young and innocent.
> > - Arthur C. Clarke
--
Dan L. Rogers, Ph.D.
You are avoiding the issues. Brad has abused many consumers and has,
even recently, claimed that he is a therapist. How can you claim to support
him when he, while calling himself a therapist and proconsumer, has been
soliciting dates from individuals who are asking for help on alt.support.*
groups, when he has made vicious attacks upon consumers who have asked
questions on this newsgroup, and when he has made disgusting, disparaging
comments to many individuals with a range of problems.
I dare say that you can find nobody, at all, toward whom I have made a
negative comment other than brad. I have been consistently supportive
and interested. I won't speak for the others here, but I think the same can
be said for almost all the professionals here.
There have been spirited debates, but only Brad Jesness has treated
people so cruelly and without respect.
You cannot, in good conscience, say anything positive about bradnee. Nor
can you say that his criticisms are valuable, since they are ancient history
and have been long dealt with. The real contributors are the very people
that bradnee attacks, such as Seligman. These are the people who help
consumers and defend them.
I, personally, have paid very high, personal costs to protect consumers.
Brad has simply attacked them and tried to exploit them. I have paid
in ways that you cannot imagine. So please, don't tell me about how I
treat consumers. I have never, once, attacked or spoken negatively to
any consumer here.
You are wrong. If you care about consumers, you would put bradnee where
he belongs.
Philip Kirschner wrote in message <3597906E...@ix.netcom.com>...
>Dear Mr. John M.Price:
>
>I won't dignify you by calling you a doctor. You may add my name to the
list
>that knows cognitee. Even though we have had disagreements, they were based
>upon genuine differences of opinion on what constitutes treatment. Brad has
>been accused and assaulted by so-called learned members of the helping
>profession. How dare you, or any person with a PHD attached to his name
>minimize and attack a person. Especially a consumer.
>
>You are a sorry and bitter person for taking these actions. I believe brads
>charges against the APA are true and accurate. This war being waged against
>him is wrong, unjusified and unethical. Your character assassinations have
>not gone unnoticed by individuals.
>
>
>
>John M Price wrote:
>
>> In sci.psychology.psychotherapy Cognitee <good...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> : was assured of a response. Joseph Plaud, who runs a supposedly
>> : open and unmoderated mailing list called CLINICAL-PSYHOLOGISTS has
>> : kicked a friend of mine off of that list for stating his view of how
>> : important it is that APA President Seligman anwser my concerns (my
>>
>> No he didn't. He kicked you off. Sock puppeteer that you are.
>>
>> Everyone knows, Brad. Everyone knows. You fool not a person on the
>> planet, save maybe Tim Brown.
>>
>> --
>> John M. Price, PhD jmp...@calweb.com
>> Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or by finger!
>> Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion.
>> Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683
>>
>> I would defend the liberty of consenting adult creationists to practice
>> whatever intellectual perversions they like in the privacy of their own
>> homes, but it is necessary to protect the young and innocent.
>> - Arthur C. Clarke
>
>
>
>
>
>John M Price wrote:
>
>> In sci.psychology.psychotherapy Cognitee <good...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> : was assured of a response. Joseph Plaud, who runs a supposedly
>> : open and unmoderated mailing list called CLINICAL-PSYHOLOGISTS has
>> : kicked a friend of mine off of that list for stating his view of how
>> : important it is that APA President Seligman anwser my concerns (my
>>
John M Price
In sci.psychology.psychotherapy Philip Kirschner <Ph...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: Dear Mr. John M.Price:
: I won't dignify you by calling you a doctor. You may add my name to the list
What the hell do I care about what you think? Your little foray into
microwaves indicated to mee you are simply a minor loon.
: that knows cognitee. Even though we have had disagreements, they were based
: upon genuine differences of opinion on what constitutes treatment. Brad has
: been accused and assaulted by so-called learned members of the helping
: profession. How dare you, or any person with a PHD attached to his name
: minimize and attack a person. Especially a consumer.
So, calling a mother a child killer is OK by you. Typical.
And this is you too?
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From: Philip B Kirschner <Ph...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: 1998/06/24
Message-ID: <35911F77...@ix.netcom.com>
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Cognitee,
People are entitled to their own opinions, who are you to impose your view on
others? People complain about force and coercion, yet you use it willingly. I
understand where you are coming from, but enough is enough!
Cognitee wrote:
> Why sympathize. People want to assassinate my character. Don't
> sympathize with them. They are lying, malicious thugs. They simply
> oppose my views at
>
> http://www.future.net/~bradj/it.html
>
> and want to drive me off Usenet because they don't want these views here.
>
> In article <359009A...@idirect.com>, Graeme Bacque
> <gba...@idirect.com> wrote:
>
> > I symnpathize - but this situation is clogging up the NG and personally I'm
> > getting extremely weary of listening to it.
> >
> > Graeme
_________________________________________________________________
==== end of inclusion ====
: You are a sorry and bitter person for taking these actions. I believe brads
: charges against the APA are true and accurate. This war being waged against
: him is wrong, unjusified and unethical. Your character assassinations have
: not gone unnoticed by individuals.
Well, tell me more about the hospitals you've been in. Did they not try
to serve you well?
As to the individuals watching me, great. They will see Brad for hat he
really is.
: John M Price wrote:
: > In sci.psychology.psychotherapy Cognitee <good...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: > : was assured of a response. Joseph Plaud, who runs a supposedly
: > : open and unmoderated mailing list called CLINICAL-PSYHOLOGISTS has
: > : kicked a friend of mine off of that list for stating his view of how
: > : important it is that APA President Seligman anwser my concerns (my
: >
: > No he didn't. He kicked you off. Sock puppeteer that you are.
: >
: > Everyone knows, Brad. Everyone knows. You fool not a person on the
: > planet, save maybe Tim Brown.
: >
: > --
: > John M. Price, PhD jmp...@calweb.com
: > Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or by finger!
: > Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion.
: > Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683
: >
: > I would defend the liberty of consenting adult creationists to practice
: > whatever intellectual perversions they like in the privacy of their own
: > homes, but it is necessary to protect the young and innocent.
: > - Arthur C. Clarke
: John M Price wrote:
: > In sci.psychology.psychotherapy Cognitee <good...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: > : was assured of a response. Joseph Plaud, who runs a supposedly
: > : open and unmoderated mailing list called CLINICAL-PSYHOLOGISTS has
: > : kicked a friend of mine off of that list for stating his view of how
: > : important it is that APA President Seligman anwser my concerns (my
: >
: > No he didn't. He kicked you off. Sock puppeteer that you are.
: >
: > Everyone knows, Brad. Everyone knows. You fool not a person on the
: > planet, save maybe Tim Brown.
: >
: > --
: > John M. Price, PhD jmp...@calweb.com
: > Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or by finger!
: > Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion.
: > Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683
: >
: > I would defend the liberty of consenting adult creationists to practice
: > whatever intellectual perversions they like in the privacy of their own
: > homes, but it is necessary to protect the young and innocent.
: > - Arthur C. Clarke
--
John M. Price, PhD jmp...@calweb.com
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or by finger!
Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion.
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683
'... misinterpretations change over time."
- Kevin D. Hudson
John M Price
: Thank you very much. I surely DO need the support. I thank you for
: your open mind and for caring. regards, brad
One should always be concerned about the openness of the mind. After all,
a fully closed mind will never learn. We see this in Bradley Jesness who
has failed to learn that he is not fooling anyone with his 311 aliases.
We see this in Bradley Jesness who has not read anything beyond a few
papers long ago.
Apparently we see this, or massive ill conceived stereotyping, in
Ph...@ix.netcom.com. His support here is much like that of Skidmark's!
Oh well.
But, one should also not have so open a mind that their brains fall out.
After all, education and experience allows one to discriminate, to
separate the wheat from the chaff.
But for a few, it seems this warning is too late.
: In article <3597906E...@ix.netcom.com>, Philip Kirschner
: <Ph...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: > Dear Mr. John M.Price:
: >
: > I won't dignify you by calling you a doctor. You may add my name to the list
: > that knows cognitee. Even though we have had disagreements, they were based
: > upon genuine differences of opinion on what constitutes treatment. Brad has
: > been accused and assaulted by so-called learned members of the helping
: > profession. How dare you, or any person with a PHD attached to his name
: > minimize and attack a person. Especially a consumer.
: >
: > You are a sorry and bitter person for taking these actions. I believe brads
: > charges against the APA are true and accurate. This war being waged against
: > him is wrong, unjusified and unethical. Your character assassinations have
: > not gone unnoticed by individuals.
: >
: >
: >
: > John M Price wrote:
: >
: > > In sci.psychology.psychotherapy Cognitee <good...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: > > : was assured of a response. Joseph Plaud, who runs a supposedly
: > > : open and unmoderated mailing list called CLINICAL-PSYHOLOGISTS has
: > > : kicked a friend of mine off of that list for stating his view of how
: > > : important it is that APA President Seligman anwser my concerns (my
: > >
: > > No he didn't. He kicked you off. Sock puppeteer that you are.
: > >
: > > Everyone knows, Brad. Everyone knows. You fool not a person on the
: > > planet, save maybe Tim Brown.
: > >
: > > --
: > > John M. Price, PhD jmp...@calweb.com
: > > Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or by finger!
: > > Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion.
: > > Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683
: > >
: > > I would defend the liberty of consenting adult creationists to practice
: > > whatever intellectual perversions they like in the privacy of their own
: > > homes, but it is necessary to protect the young and innocent.
: > > - Arthur C. Clarke
: >
: >
: >
: >
: >
: > John M Price wrote:
: >
: > > In sci.psychology.psychotherapy Cognitee <good...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: > > : was assured of a response. Joseph Plaud, who runs a supposedly
: > > : open and unmoderated mailing list called CLINICAL-PSYHOLOGISTS has
: > > : kicked a friend of mine off of that list for stating his view of how
: > > : important it is that APA President Seligman anwser my concerns (my
: > >
: > > No he didn't. He kicked you off. Sock puppeteer that you are.
: > >
: > > Everyone knows, Brad. Everyone knows. You fool not a person on the
: > > planet, save maybe Tim Brown.
: > >
: > > --
: > > John M. Price, PhD jmp...@calweb.com
: > > Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or by finger!
: > > Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion.
: > > Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683
: > >
: > > I would defend the liberty of consenting adult creationists to practice
: > > whatever intellectual perversions they like in the privacy of their own
: > > homes, but it is necessary to protect the young and innocent.
: > > - Arthur C. Clarke
: --
: See my much praised critique of the clinical psychology field at:
: http://www.future.net/~bradj/it.html (well-regarded by Mahrer, Ivey, Izard, and other distinguished professors)
: Also see my great web resource, the BEST Meta-Index for Psychiatry and clinical Psychology at:
: http://www.future.net/~bradj/father.html
--
John M. Price, PhD jmp...@calweb.com
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or by finger!
Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion.
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683
MAFIA, n:
[Acronym for Mechanized Applications in Forced Insurance
Accounting.] An extensive network with many on-line and offshore
subsystems running under OS, DOS, and IOS. MAFIA documentation is
rather scanty, and the MAFIA sales office exhibits that testy
reluctance to bona fide inquiries which is the hallmark of so many DP
operations. From the little that has seeped out, it would appear that
MAFIA operates under a non-standard protocol, OMERTA, a tight-lipped
variant of SNA, in which extended handshakes also perform complex
security functions. The known timesharing aspects of MAFIA point to a
more than usually autocratic operating system. Screen prompts carry an
imperative, nonrefusable weighting (most menus offer simple YES/YES
options, defaulting to YES) that precludes indifference or delay.
Uniquely, all editing under MAFIA is performed centrally, using a
powerful rubout feature capable of erasing files, filors, filees, and
entire nodal aggravations.
- Stan Kelly-Bootle, "The Devil's DP Dictionary"
Cognitee
Dan,
I have abused no one. This is how YOU avoid the issues (so despaerate
and lame are your efforts). Recently I indicated I was functioning as a
"moral therapist". I have every right to say so. But, it gives you one
more thing to take out of context and misrepresent to attempt character
assassination. You can't respond with reason or evidence and you can't
respond to the issues. This has been true for two years !!!
P.S. I would appreciate it if YOU, as a psychotherapist, would refrain
from posting to the abusive newsgroup, alt.brad.jesness.did.die.die. You
ADDED that to your distribution list for this post. Now, THAT is a clear
example of abuse.
In article <6n97k6$28am$1...@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "Dan L. Rogers,
Ph.D." <dlro...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> >Dear Mr. John M.Price:
> >
> >I won't dignify you by calling you a doctor. You may add my name to the
> list
> >that knows cognitee. Even though we have had disagreements, they were based
> >upon genuine differences of opinion on what constitutes treatment. Brad has
> >been accused and assaulted by so-called learned members of the helping
> >profession. How dare you, or any person with a PHD attached to his name
> >minimize and attack a person. Especially a consumer.
> >
> >You are a sorry and bitter person for taking these actions. I believe brads
> >charges against the APA are true and accurate. This war being waged against
> >him is wrong, unjusified and unethical. Your character assassinations have
> >not gone unnoticed by individuals.
> >
> >
> >
> >John M Price wrote:
> >
> >> In sci.psychology.psychotherapy Cognitee <good...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> : was assured of a response. Joseph Plaud, who runs a supposedly
> >> : open and unmoderated mailing list called CLINICAL-PSYHOLOGISTS has
> >> : kicked a friend of mine off of that list for stating his view of how
> >> : important it is that APA President Seligman anwser my concerns (my
> >>
> >> No he didn't. He kicked you off. Sock puppeteer that you are.
> >>
> >> Everyone knows, Brad. Everyone knows. You fool not a person on the
> >> planet, save maybe Tim Brown.
> >>
> >> --
> >> John M. Price, PhD jmp...@calweb.com
> >> Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or by finger!
> >> Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion.
> >> Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683
> >>
> >> I would defend the liberty of consenting adult creationists to practice
> >> whatever intellectual perversions they like in the privacy of their own
> >> homes, but it is necessary to protect the young and innocent.
> >> - Arthur C. Clarke
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >John M Price wrote:
> >
> >> In sci.psychology.psychotherapy Cognitee <good...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> : was assured of a response. Joseph Plaud, who runs a supposedly
> >> : open and unmoderated mailing list called CLINICAL-PSYHOLOGISTS has
> >> : kicked a friend of mine off of that list for stating his view of how
> >> : important it is that APA President Seligman anwser my concerns (my
> >>
> >> No he didn't. He kicked you off. Sock puppeteer that you are.
> >>
> >> Everyone knows, Brad. Everyone knows. You fool not a person on the
> >> planet, save maybe Tim Brown.
> >>
> >> --
> >> John M. Price, PhD jmp...@calweb.com
> >> Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or by finger!
> >> Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion.
> >> Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683
> >>
> >> I would defend the liberty of consenting adult creationists to practice
> >> whatever intellectual perversions they like in the privacy of their own
> >> homes, but it is necessary to protect the young and innocent.
> >> - Arthur C. Clarke
> >
> >
> >
--
Cognitee
John Price:
I say all who support present APA policies are ,in effect, "child
killers". This was NOT said uniquely or in a unique way to Leslie
Packer. Where it seemed I might have been addressing just Packer in one
certain post (for those not reading the context the post was in): THAT
one post was cancelled almost immediately ***and*** what I meant explained
in a new post -- you ALL **KNOW** this !! This is simply another tidbit
that can be misrepresented and used for malicious slander and harassment
to try to drive me and my ideas off the internet. YOU (collectively) do
not have the ability to respond to the ideas. THIS is the most telling
fact.
I also find it curious how John Price ever came to be involved in a
discussion with me. He came out of the blue attacking (and consistently),
never trying reason. He acts as if he were a paid thug (similar to Leslie
Packer, followed by Peter Hood).
P.S. John Price's abusive newsgroups deleted from the distribution of
this posted response.
--
Cognitee
John Price:
Addressing "aliases", now.: Many are NOT me and several blind allegations
are made. The several (even many) that **are me** are all "screen names"
ONLY, NOT aliases. They are used with a half dozen WELL-KNOWN, VALID
E-MAIL ADDRESSES (I have had a half dozen valid addresses in the last 3.5
years). The vast majority of my posts were signed **or** are under the
present screen name and address. (I have used the present screen name and
address for over a year. Often before I had to switch e-mail addresses
because of harassment -- 4 times in fact !!) All this can be verified
with a Dejanews search.
Again we see stuff intentionally misrepresented, by one of the
Establishment. THIS IS DONE SO I HAVE TO RESPOND LIKE THIS AND CANNOT
ADDRESS ISSUES !!!! Let me repeat that:
THIS IS DONE SO I HAVE TO RESPOND LIKE THIS AND CANNOT ADDRESS ISSUES !!!!
THIS IS DONE SO I HAVE TO RESPOND LIKE THIS AND CANNOT ADDRESS ISSUES !!!!
THIS IS DONE SO I HAVE TO RESPOND LIKE THIS AND CANNOT ADDRESS ISSUES !!!!
THIS IS DONE SO I HAVE TO RESPOND LIKE THIS AND CANNOT ADDRESS ISSUES !!!!
It is also done in order to attmpt falsely-based character assassination.
P.S. Again, abusive newsgroups have been deleted from the distribution.
John Price is clearly "spamming" to abusive newsgroup, some new to these
topics.
P.P.S. If you want to see the record of someone who has had several
**true aliases** ( a dozen plus) see the record of Peter Hood, great
friend of all my attackers.
See...@my-dejanews.com
Hey Cognitee,
Who died and made you God? What makes you think you are any more *moral*
than anyone else in the world? What crediential do you hold that make you a
MORAL THERAPIST? <snort> If I was in need of moral counseling you would be
the LAST person in the world I would ask advice from. All I would learn from
you is how to act out in revenge and then cry when everyone no longer wanted
anything to do with me. Your finger is always pointing outwards instead of
at yourself. Before you can tend to the mote in your brother's eye, tend to
the beam in thine own!!!
Seeker
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Cognitee wrote:
>
> Dan,
> I have abused no one.
Yeah, 'right.
Dan L. Rogers, Ph.D.
I have saved a post in which you said that you are a therapist. Period.
I also have posts in which you said that you are a psychologist. And a
professor. And so on.
You did, in one point, say that you are "functioning" as a "moral
therapist,"
but in one post you called yourself a "therapist" and dared any licensing
authority in Minnesota to try to stop you.
You have abused many people. Now you are trying to abuse me. You are
way, way out of your league with me. You have pretty well completed your
own noose, and I intend to let you blindly finish it.
Cognitee wrote in message ...
Cognitee
Dan Rogers,
Please produce the post where I said I was "a therapist". I only said
this once and in the context of being a "moral therapist". (This was the
day before yesterday.) I have a perfect right to say this.
You should also know that it **would** NOT be illegal or against any
regulations if I simply said: "I am a therapist" in Miunnesota (this is
not a protected term). This has been in the media here lately and I am
sure I am correct. Very little is protected for you psychologists, which
is quite appropriate because you rarely demonstrate you have any special
or professional skills (it's not like you're a real doctor, you know !!!)
Also, a full-time college instructor, teaching the science of psychology
can also refer to himself as a psychologist (this is NOT limited to the
rank of Professor). In Minnesota this is one of the so-called
"exceptions" for people other than clinical psychologists that can use the
term. It is a good exception otherwise many (likely most) college
psychology and research faculty could not use the term "psychologist",
when this is clearly what they are -- moreso than clinicians in fact, for
they are much more often real science people. In fact, many of the top
academic psychologists and researchers are NOT licensed and are not
clinicians. This is not necessary or related to their jobs as
psychologists.
YOU GOT NOTHING, DAN. NOTHING !!!!!! HAH !!!!!!
In article <6nceaq$1h82$1...@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "Dan L. Rogers,
Ph.D." <dlro...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> I have saved a post in which you said that you are a therapist. Period.
> I also have posts in which you said that you are a psychologist. And a
> professor. And so on.
>
> You did, in one point, say that you are "functioning" as a "moral
> therapist,"
> but in one post you called yourself a "therapist" and dared any licensing
> authority in Minnesota to try to stop you.
>
> You have abused many people. Now you are trying to abuse me. You are
> way, way out of your league with me. You have pretty well completed your
> own noose, and I intend to let you blindly finish it.
>
>
> Cognitee wrote in message ...
> >Dan,
> > I have abused no one. This is how YOU avoid the issues (so despaerate
> >and lame are your efforts). Recently I indicated I was functioning as a
> >"moral therapist". I have every right to say so.
--
Joseph P. Arco
Cognitee wrote:
>
> Dan Rogers,
> Please produce the post where I said I was "a therapist". I only said
> this once and in the context of being a "moral therapist".
Bring out the hip boots, Bradley, you'll need them.
Cognitee
Compared to you guys I'm a sage.
In article <359AC5...@jarco.mv.com>, "Joseph P. Arco"
<ja...@jarco.mv.com> wrote:
--
** FOR THE ISSUES AND THE FACTS ** See my much praised critique of the clinical psychology field at:
Larry C. Lyons
Cognitee wrote:
> Compared to you guys I'm a sage.
<Snip of blatently false advertising deleted>
Not even close bradness, not even an oregano or parsely. Not close for even the rock and roll herb, elvis
parsley.
Do the Internet a favour you vapid twit, destroy your modem
Disregards,
---
Larry C. Lyons
http://www.mnsinc.com/solomon/
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Life is complex.
It has both real and imaginary parts.
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Joseph P. Arco
Dear Larry:
Bradley Jesness's description of himself, i.e., " sage," parallels that
flavor of rancid butter.
Regards,
...Joe