Dalai Lama Shunned by Canada
John D
conciliatory line with it's occupied neighbors. They're also initiating
some very progressive sounding policies, such as environmental cost
accounting (something the green movement here in the west can only dream
about) and democratic reform. One can only hope that these embryonic
policy initiatives will flourish into concrete change there, but
nonetheless, it makes for a glimmer of hope.
Whether or not the DL is a genuine representative of the people of Tibet, it
shows just how dependant the gov. of Canada is on the trade relationship
with China that they are so scared of meeting him. Even George W makes no
bones about personally welcoming the DL when he's stateside.
-JD
>http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040320/DALAI2
0// query=Dalai+Lama
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>http://www.canada.com/search/story.html?id=2bcbad5b-8ff1-4dd8-99a0-665da24f
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>
>You quote the press release inaccurately. It doesn't say anything about
>what the government will or will not do, it says what they have done. Of
>course, it's never too late for our governments to redress the situation
and
>issue an invitation, which I am certain the DL would accept. Also, being a
>press release from the Green Party, it contains no information about what
>other opposition parties may or may not be doing, you'll have to check with
>them to see if they have the same sense of good manners.
>
>As for your sig, sadly, I think Hawthorne's "figure"'s got it right.
>
>-JD
>
"E Goldstein" wrote:
> >March 20
> >
> >The Dalai Lama will spend 18 days in Canada next month, stopping in
Toronto,
> >Ottawa and Vancouver. The government of Canada, and of the three cities
> >and provinces he will be visiting have not extended an invitation to meet
> >with His Holiness. It is thought that this is due to our country's
> >official acceptance of China's illegal occupation of Tibet, and the fact
> >that the Chinese government frowns on all official endorsements of the
Dalai
> >Lama and his government in exile.
>
> Is this really true? Maybe you can provide a link which says the
> various Canadian governments won't welcome the Dalai Lama?
>
> >Jim Harris, leader of the Green Party of Canada cordially extends the
> >hospitality of his party to His Holiness the Dalai Lama in lieu of the
> >regrettable lapse of manners shown by the federal government. Should His
> >Holiness accept the invitation of a formal meeting, details of time and
> >place will be announced.
> >
> >-30-
>
> How about the NDP? Jack Layton wouldn't give up an opportunity to meet
> with the Dalai Lama even if his life was at stake.
>
> --
> Lo! there ye stand, my children,said the figure, in a deep
> and solemn torte, almost sad, with its despairing awfulness,
> as if his once angelic nature could yet mourn for our miserable
> race. Depending upon one another's hearts, ye had still hoped,
> that virtue were not all a dream. Now are ye undeceived! Evil
> is the nature of mankind. Evil must be your only happiness.
> Welcome, again, my children, to the communion of your race!
> - Nathaniel Hawthorne, "Young Goodman Brown"
"Invective" Wrote:
> It is unfortunately all too typical of Canada's pathetic hypocricy on the
> issue of human rights, one of the reasons why this country, once an
> important and respected member of the international community is now a
> nobody. Canadians love to think of themselves as the world's conscience on
> things like human rights. The fact is that for many years now Canada has
> been seen as a giant phony on the subject. Oh we'll criticise poor human
> rights, all right, provided we don't have any economic interests at stake,
> provided there are no points to be made by ethnics of that country here,
> provided, in other words, we can make mouth noises without suffering any
> possible repercussions.
>
> We were a world leader criticising the South Africans for their brutality
> back when they were white run, but that made the government look good in
the
> local press and cost us nothing. At the same time we were not only keeping
> mum, but making excuses for the brutality of the Indonesian government
with
> whom several big Canadian mining companies had large contracts.
>
> Aside from the North Koreans, the Chinese are probably the most brutal
> government in the world today, engaged in ethnic cleansing of muslims in
> western China, and Tibetans, practicing torture, religious repression, and
> excuting thousands for political crimes every year. A big chunk of their
> exports consist of products manufactured in virtual slave labour camps
> populated by political prisoners.
>
> But does Canada even dare to hold a courtesy lunch for the Dalai Lama? No
> way! Not this government, not its predecessor, not Mulroneys. We don't
dare
> do anything which might offend the Chinese and threaten those fat
contracts
> Canadian corporations hope to land in China. When it comes to respecting
> human rights we're all mouth and no conscience.
>
> .
>
>
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Invective
"John D" <Wend...@bmts.com> wrote in message
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> Whether or not the DL is a genuine representative of the people of Tibet,
it
> shows just how dependant the gov. of Canada is on the trade relationship
> with China that they are so scared of meeting him. Even George W makes no
> bones about personally welcoming the DL when he's stateside.
Neither the Canadian nor the American people get anything good out of our
trade relationship with China. Their governments are being influenced by
corporate greed, who hope for huge profits there some day. As it stands,
most western companies get nothing from China. Their contracts require they
build their product in China, with Chinese partners, and they are restricted
in what money they can take out of China, so profits generally must be
reinvested in China. This looks good on the balance sheets of these
companies, but certainly doesn't help Canada or the US.
Yu
> Even George W makes no
> bones about personally welcoming the DL when he's stateside.
>
> -JD
A good employer should always give encouragement to his employees.
Based on a report carried in the New York Times in August 1999
During the 15 years between 1979 and 1994 the Dalai Lama visited the
U.S. Once every two to three years, but from 1994 the number of his
visit to the United States became once a year, twice in 1997, and
three times in 1999. And since former U.S. President George Bush met
with the Dalai Lama during his U.S. Trip in April 1991, U.S. President
and vice- president convened with him every time when he came to the
United States.
Few, if any, heads of states receive such treatment.
Imagine twice a year received by BOTH the president and vice
president!
No other nobel prize winner got such treatment.
Where was that miserable guy from E Timor. He also won the Nobel prize
didn't he. Not many people remember his name! Don't think he get to
seep tea with Mr and Mrs Bush.
It's so obvious that Dalai Lama is being promoted by the US for its
own geo-strategic interest.
Ever since 911 I have not read about Dalai vist to white house.
US needed China to shut up in the Iraq invasion.
The Dalai must be missing the Beacon Theatre where wealthy individuals
could pay up to $1,000 a ticket to hear him speak. ( That's great way
for money laundering)
Yu
blah blah blah!
All these corporations are greedy and stupid etc etc.
(If they are so dumb why do people buy their shares?)
All the primary commodities price has gone up in the last 12 months.
Everyone of them has to do with China.
Nerver mind you don't understand this.
Other Canadians are probably smarter.
USA is a bankrupt economy. US gov in particular is a bankrupt Gov.
They survive on borrowing money.
If China and Japan don't buy US gov bonds, US dollars would be 100x
worse than it is now.
Mahakala
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Yu are crazy. Anyone with a grain of sense, as well as some investigative
skills, can see that.
Mahakala
Yu are *amazingly* stupid.
> US gov in particular is a bankrupt Gov.
> They survive on borrowing money.
> If China and Japan don't buy US gov bonds, US dollars would be 100x
> worse than it is now.
The US economy is so bad that it *gives* money away to the rest of the
world. Including your beloved communist Chinese, who are not too proud to
accept the foreign aid. Why not leave Malaysia and help support the glorious
Chinese cause and get paid $2 a day like the rest of them?
--
Bow down before the one you serve,
You're going to get what you deserve.
Invective
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our
> > trade relationship with China. Their governments are being influenced by
> > corporate greed, who hope for huge profits there some day. As it stands,
> > most western companies get nothing from China. Their contracts require
they
> > build their product in China, with Chinese partners, and they are
restricted
> > in what money they can take out of China, so profits generally must be
> > reinvested in China. This looks good on the balance sheets of these
> > companies, but certainly doesn't help Canada or the US.
>
> blah blah blah!
> All these corporations are greedy and stupid etc etc.
> (If they are so dumb why do people buy their shares?)
Because people are dumb? Hell, you're an execllent example
> All the primary commodities price has gone up in the last 12 months.
> Everyone of them has to do with China.
> Nerver mind you don't understand this.
> Other Canadians are probably smarter.
What does the price of gold have to do with China importing from Canada and
the US? The fact is China exports FAR, FAR more than it imports, and that
it's contracts to western companies benefits those companies on paper only,
and has no benefit for the countries in which those companies operate.
> USA is a bankrupt economy. US gov in particular is a bankrupt Gov.
> They survive on borrowing money.
The US is the world's richest economy, idiot boy. The only reason the US
government is currently in deficit is because its idiot president insists on
giving out huge tax breaks while spending enormous amounts of money. But
that can be changed very quickly by simply raising taxes. China, on the
other hand, is a dirt poor land of barely literate savages. Most of its
people are still the simple peasants their ancestors were a thousand years
ago, living in hovels and enduring malnutrition and disease.
> If China and Japan don't buy US gov bonds, US dollars would be 100
> worse than it is now.
Neither China nor Japan is an important US trade nation insofar as exports
are concerned. Both countries enjoy enormous trade surpluses with the US.
What that means, idiot boy, is that the US buys FAR, FAR more from both of
them than it sells to them.
Yu
With globalization trade is multilateral.
You buy from the same pool.
Price of oil goes up in Venezuela does not only affect those countries
buying oil from Venezuela.
It pulls up oil price in Nigeria and Indonesia.
Only morons look at bilateral trade figures.
> > USA is a bankrupt economy. US gov in particular is a bankrupt Gov.
> > They survive on borrowing money.
>
> The US is the world's richest economy, idiot boy.
The world's biggest bubble economy.
> The only reason the US
> government is currently in deficit is because its idiot president insists on
> giving out huge tax breaks while spending enormous amounts of money. But
> that can be changed very quickly by simply raising taxes.
Raising taxes easy?
Are you taliking about a military coup?
> China, on the
> other hand, is a dirt poor land of barely literate savages. Most of its
> people are still the simple peasants their ancestors were a thousand years
> ago, living in hovels and enduring malnutrition and disease.
There you go!
Racist disguised as Tibet activists.
> > If China and Japan don't buy US gov bonds, US dollars would be 100
> > worse than it is now.
>
> Neither China nor Japan is an important US trade nation insofar as exports
> are concerned. Both countries enjoy enormous trade surpluses with the US.
> What that means, idiot boy, is that the US buys FAR, FAR more from both of
> them than it sells to them.
That how a bubble form in the US $.
US is becoming less and less important to Asia.
Intra-Asia trade is far bigger and growing at a much faster pace than
US-China or US - Japan trade.
Japan got out of recession largely because of export to China.
Mahakala
Prove it.
> Only morons look at bilateral trade figures.
Your logic stinks. Again.
>
> > > USA is a bankrupt economy. US gov in particular is a bankrupt Gov.
> > > They survive on borrowing money.
> >
> > The US is the world's richest economy, idiot boy.
>
> The world's biggest bubble economy.
I thought bubbles were imported from New Zealand.
>
> > The only reason the US
> > government is currently in deficit is because its idiot president
insists on
> > giving out huge tax breaks while spending enormous amounts of money. But
> > that can be changed very quickly by simply raising taxes.
Sorry, wrong on both counts.
>
> Raising taxes easy?
> Are you taliking about a military coup?
You are showing your ignorance yet again. Or is it bias.
>
> > China, on the
> > other hand, is a dirt poor land of barely literate savages. Most of its
> > people are still the simple peasants their ancestors were a thousand
years
> > ago, living in hovels and enduring malnutrition and disease.
>
> There you go!
> Racist disguised as Tibet activists.
Where did he claim to be a Tibet activist? And you are so quick to throw
around the 'racist' word, but he is only stating perceptions on the nation
of China.
>
> > > If China and Japan don't buy US gov bonds, US dollars would be 100
> > > worse than it is now.
> >
> > Neither China nor Japan is an important US trade nation insofar as
exports
> > are concerned. Both countries enjoy enormous trade surpluses with the
US.
> > What that means, idiot boy, is that the US buys FAR, FAR more from both
of
> > them than it sells to them.
>
> That how a bubble form in the US $.
> US is becoming less and less important to Asia.
Absurd.
> Intra-Asia trade is far bigger and growing at a much faster pace than
> US-China or US - Japan trade.
> Japan got out of recession largely because of export to China.
Sure, pal.
Mahakala
I disagree with those points.
> China, on the
> other hand, is a dirt poor land of barely literate savages. Most of its
> people are still the simple peasants their ancestors were a thousand years
> ago, living in hovels and enduring malnutrition and disease.
Possibly overstated, but China is certainly nowhere near living in the
conditions that its government proclaims.
Hellboy
song.
John D
> > various Canadian governments won't welcome the Dalai Lama?
Hmm. Seems like this is happening in quite a few countries, including the
UN.
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Dalai+Lama+Shunned&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Harbinger
including Tony Blair.
The sooner he realizes the follies and futility of his cause the sooner he
reaches Enlightenment.
The plight of a used whore is a valuable and sobering lession.
Hellboy
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Yu
> "Yu" <yug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > > "Yu" <yug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > > China, on the
> > > other hand, is a dirt poor land of barely literate savages. Most of its
> > > people are still the simple peasants their ancestors were a thousand
> years
> > > ago, living in hovels and enduring malnutrition and disease.
> >
> > There you go!
> > Racist disguised as Tibet activists.
> When are you going to accuse the CIA of being in this? That's your favorite
> song.
I have never accuse "Invective" of working for the CIA.
Racist like him just jump on board when there is a chance to bash
Chinese.
NED funds a string of organizations such as the Tibet Information
Network and the International Campaign for Tibet.
These organization the act pretty much like fast food outlets.
Anybody who wish to bash China for any reason can then go there and
download stories can get cheap trill for a little while.
mongoose
> > > Is this really true? Maybe you can provide a link which says the
> > > various Canadian governments won't welcome the Dalai Lama?
>
> Hmm. Seems like this is happening in quite a few countries, including the
> UN.
>
> http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Dalai+Lama+Shunned&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
like:
"The Dalai Lama says he has shunned the warnings of others who fear
that science is the killer of religion. "
or even contrary to the premise, like:
"Israeli parliament speaker defiantly welcomes Dalai Lama", which
matched because of the sentence, "Burg, who called the Dalai Lama a
great human being and a spiritual mentor, argued that since Israel was
once shunned by much of the international community, it should now be
confident enough to base its policies on what it considers right.".
Google is a great online research tool, but it's up to the researcher
to take care about drawing conclusions.
Invective
"Yu" <yug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Hellboy" <sa...@hell.gov> wrote in message
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>
> > When are you going to accuse the CIA of being in this? That's your
favorite
> > song.
>
> I have never accuse "Invective" of working for the CIA.
> Racist like him just jump on board when there is a chance to bash
> Chinese.
On the contrary, Comrade Yu, I only bash Chinese murderers. I would love to
have Canada recognize Taiwan, for example, and would be fully supportive of
giving any trade and aid to the people of Taiwan which they would require. I
think it shameful the way western governments have acted so cowardly in
recognizing China's two-faced, dishonest claim that Taiwan, which was never
a part of China, is some kind of "rogue province". It is a free and
independant nation and ought to be so recognized.
Oh no, Comrade, Yu, I don't bash Chinese, just China, a brutal, backward,
corrupt nation which executes thousands every year and keeps millions in
labour camps.
Water Barbarian
>
> "Yu" <yug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > "Hellboy" <sa...@hell.gov> wrote in message
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> > > > Racist disguised as Tibet activists.
> >
> > > When are you going to accuse the CIA of being in this? That's your
> favorite
> > > song.
> >
> > I have never accuse "Invective" of working for the CIA.
> > Racist like him just jump on board when there is a chance to bash
> > Chinese.
>
> On the contrary, Comrade Yu, I only bash Chinese murderers. I would love
to
> have Canada recognize Taiwan, for example, and would be fully supportive
of
> giving any trade and aid to the people of Taiwan which they would require.
I
> think it shameful the way western governments have acted so cowardly in
> recognizing China's two-faced, dishonest claim that Taiwan, which was
never
> a part of China, is some kind of "rogue province". It is a free and
> independant nation and ought to be so recognized.
>
few
western nation who shunned Taiwan in recongnizing China. This is the rarely
chance that Canada doesn't follow US's cause.
Jason Ridge
"Water Barbarian" <wa...@barbarian.com> wrote in message
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My Goalie Skates are a Size 11. What's the Dali Lama's size?
Yu
Am I surprise?
This guy who call Chinese "barely literate savages" most probably has
no interest in Tibetans.
All he wants is to find whatever issues that he can make use of.
NED have prepared a full range of instant propaganda for these
frustrated people. All they need is to copy and paste from one of the
thousands of NED funded sites.
Those unions members interested in bashing china on "slave labor" can
download from one of those Harry Wu websites ( He gets $600,000 a
years from NED).
Those who wish to bash China about Tibet have a choice of 400,000
sites.
ranzen.com would be suitable for people with little IQ like
"Invective".
Those who wish to download propaganda with a little sophistication may
go to the Tibet Information Network.
Water Barbarian
when
he is going to call China a rogue nation and begin the Operation China
Liberation.
Invective
to
> > have Canada recognize Taiwan, for example, and would be fully supportive
of
> > giving any trade and aid to the people of Taiwan which they would
require. I
> > think it shameful the way western governments have acted so cowardly in
> > recognizing China's two-faced, dishonest claim that Taiwan, which was
never
> > a part of China, is some kind of "rogue province". It is a free and
> > independant nation and ought to be so recognized.
> >
> Your wish wont' be fulfilled. Matter of fact, Canada was one of the first
few
> western nation who shunned Taiwan in recongnizing China. This is the
rarely
> chance that Canada doesn't follow US's cause.
>
cowardice and greed rather than following the US in its own stirling example
of gutless avarice. Good show!
Invective
the contrary, Comrade Yu, I only bash Chinese murderers. I would love to
> > have Canada recognize Taiwan, for example, and would be fully supportive
of
> > giving any trade and aid to the people of Taiwan which they would
require. I
> > think it shameful the way western governments have acted so cowardly in
> > recognizing China's two-faced, dishonest claim that Taiwan, which was
never
> > a part of China, is some kind of "rogue province". It is a free and
> > independant nation and ought to be so recognized.
> >
> > Oh no, Comrade, Yu, I don't bash Chinese, just China, a brutal,
backward,
> > corrupt nation which executes thousands every year and keeps millions in
> > labour camps.
>
>
> Am I surprise?
> This guy who call Chinese "barely literate savages" most probably has
> no interest in Tibetans.
I have a great interest in human rights and freedom. And the fact is the
vast majority of Chinese *are* barely literate peasants who are no more
sophisticated than their ancestors of centuries past.
> NED have prepared a full range of instant propaganda for these
> frustrated people. All they need is to copy and paste from one of the
> thousands of NED funded sites.
No idea what "NED" is, but I do get the feeling that cut and pasting excuses
and canned responses is what you do all day long on behalf of the People's
Republic.
> Those who wish to download propaganda with a little sophistication may
> go to the Tibet Information Network.
Hell, they needn't do that. You give them more than enough of that.
Water Barbarian
its opponents of the cold war. (btw, it did it before US) Maybe it is not a
good news for those warmongers like those in this news group. But it did a
lot
for the world peace in the following several decades, until a new war broke
out through lies, for which, Canada refused to participate too.
>
>
Invective
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> > > Your wish wont' be fulfilled. Matter of fact, Canada was one of the
first few
> > > western nation who shunned Taiwan in recongnizing China. This is the
rarely
> > > chance that Canada doesn't follow US's cause.
> > >
> > Ahh, so in this instance Canada displayed its leadership in the cause of
> > cowardice and greed rather than following the US in its own stirling
example
> > of gutless avarice. Good show!
> >
> On the contrary, Canada had made a courageous step in stretch its hand to
> its opponents of the cold war. (btw, it did it before US) Maybe it is not
a
> good news for those warmongers like those in this news group. But it did a
lot
> for the world peace in the following several decades, until a new war
broke
> out through lies, for which, Canada refused to participate too.
Speaking of lies. How about shunning a democratic nation where human rights
are respected because a big, bullying dictator keeps braying that their land
belongs to him? Taiwan was never part of China, and yet Canada is too greedy
for contracts to stand up for what is right. You might think it's
warmongering to stand up to militaristic dictatorships who commit mass
murder and ethnic cleansing, but most of us believe that to be the right
thing to do. As for warmongering, China has devoted massive amounts of money
over the last ten years to its military, despite there being no visible
threat to them, despite other nations cutting back, despite the cold war
being long over. It also has masses of missiles pointed at little Taiwan,
and routinely threatens to use them if the Taiwanese dare to declare
themselves an independant nation.
Who's the warmonger there?
Yu
> "Yu" <yug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:f0abc8cb.04032...@posting.google.com...
> > "Invective" <he...@bigbrains.com> wrote in message news:<1tM9c.11939> > On
> the contrary, Comrade Yu, I only bash Chinese murderers. I would love to
> > > have Canada recognize Taiwan, for example, and would be fully supportive
> of
> > > giving any trade and aid to the people of Taiwan which they would
> require. I
> > > think it shameful the way western governments have acted so cowardly in
> > > recognizing China's two-faced, dishonest claim that Taiwan, which was
> never
> > > a part of China, is some kind of "rogue province". It is a free and
> > > independant nation and ought to be so recognized.
> > >
> > > Oh no, Comrade, Yu, I don't bash Chinese, just China, a brutal,
> backward,
> > > corrupt nation which executes thousands every year and keeps millions in
> > > labour camps.
> >
> >
> > Am I surprise?
> > This guy who call Chinese "barely literate savages" most probably has
> > no interest in Tibetans.
>
> I have a great interest in human rights and freedom. And the fact is the
> vast majority of Chinese *are* barely literate peasants who are no more
> sophisticated than their ancestors of centuries past.
From reading your post, you are driven by hate.
None of your post has any substance in it.
> > NED have prepared a full range of instant propaganda for these
> > frustrated people. All they need is to copy and paste from one of the
> > thousands of NED funded sites.
>
> No idea what "NED" is, but I do get the feeling that cut and pasting excuses
> and canned responses is what you do all day long on behalf of the People's
> Republic.
Here's your reading assignment:
The National Endowment for Democracy
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/TrojanHorse_RS.html
THE NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR DEMOCRACY
http://www.saag.org/papers2/paper115.html
Good analysis of how CIA uses non gov organizations (NGO) as cover to
subvert foreign gov.
The National Endowment for Democracy of USA (NED) is currently funding
many Tibet Separatists organizations.
NED and Venezuela coup
http://www.mediatransparency.org/recipients/ned.htm
Water Barbarian
of lies again.
If we want to meet a liar, this news group is the best place.
Thomas J Wheat
exactly the same reason the CCP uses to justify their policy of
disallowing direct elections.
Yu
This guy is just a racist.
His hatred for Chinese for out weight his knowledge on the subject.
Mahakala
People like you hide behind racism so they can dodge discussions that make
them uncomfortable. Racism is inflatable, it gets extremely large and
frightening even when there is little or nothing of note to be seen.
Anyone who complains about the Chinese government's abuses of Tibetans is a
racist or China basher, in your eyes. That is absurd. NED, CIA...whatever.
Even if it was true that they contributed to Tibetan organisations, that
does in no way indicate that those outfits are arms of the CIA or NED.
Yu are really, really stupid.
Mahakala
Just because their beloved Chairman Mousie Dung was the biggest mass
murderer in history does not mean that the CCP has had bad influences.
>
>
>
Mahakala
Thousands? Wow, they must make billions of dollars to pay off all those
employees that are out to get China.
Get real, willya?
>
> Those unions members interested in bashing china on "slave labor" can
> download from one of those Harry Wu websites ( He gets $600,000 a
> years from NED).
>
> Those who wish to bash China about Tibet have a choice of 400,000
> sites.
>
> ranzen.com would be suitable for people with little IQ like
> "Invective".
> Those who wish to download propaganda with a little sophistication may
> go to the Tibet Information Network.
Simple dismissal to avoid facts. Just because *you* say that they are
unsophisticated does not make it so, and that they have nothing to say. No,
they provide evidence that you cannot deal with or explain away.
Mahakala
From your postings, it is easy to infer that you are a barely literate
savage, and should be deported to the land that you love. But you will hide
behind racism again, I am certain.
>
>
>
Mahakala
Gutless? The Dalai Lama was bet by GWB. Say what you will about the US
activities in the rest of the world, that is not gutless. Staying out of the
whole thing and then wanting action after the hostilities are mostly over
and the Iraqis are wanting a democracy set up, *that* is cowardice.
>
>
>
Mahakala
The Chinese say that the Tibetans need to be advanced. It is easy to call
Tibetans 'ignorant savages'. And since Tibet is a part of China (in their
tiny minds), add it up: Tibetans are Chinese who are ignorant savages.
Heh.
Mahakala
Rubbish.
Mahakala
Instead of hiding behind your charge of racism and being a stooge for the
CIA, face the evidence. Oh, that is right. You cannot do that. Grow up,
Cuddles.
LT Lee
> >
> > > Even George W makes no
> > > bones about personally welcoming the DL when he's stateside.
> > >
> > > -JD
> >
> > A good employer should always give encouragement to his employees.
> > Based on a report carried in the New York Times in August 1999
> > During the 15 years between 1979 and 1994 the Dalai Lama visited the
> > U.S. Once every two to three years, but from 1994 the number of his
> > visit to the United States became once a year, twice in 1997, and
> > three times in 1999. And since former U.S. President George Bush met
> > with the Dalai Lama during his U.S. Trip in April 1991, U.S. President
> > and vice- president convened with him every time when he came to the
> > United States.
> >
> > Few, if any, heads of states receive such treatment.
> > Imagine twice a year received by BOTH the president and vice
> > president!
> > No other nobel prize winner got such treatment.
> > Where was that miserable guy from E Timor. He also won the Nobel prize
> > didn't he. Not many people remember his name! Don't think he get to
> > seep tea with Mr and Mrs Bush.
> >
> > It's so obvious that Dalai Lama is being promoted by the US for its
> > own geo-strategic interest.
> > Ever since 911 I have not read about Dalai vist to white house.
> > US needed China to shut up in the Iraq invasion.
> >
> > The Dalai must be missing the Beacon Theatre where wealthy individuals
> > could pay up to $1,000 a ticket to hear him speak. ( That's great way
> > for money laundering)
>
> Yu are crazy. Anyone with a grain of sense, as well as some investigative
> skills, can see that.
What do you really see? Based on what?
Hellboy
"LT Lee" <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5eb15984.04033...@posting.google.com...
OTTAWA | April 2, 2004 - You wouldn't think anyone would pass up the
chance to meet a Nobel Peace Prize winner - especially if he's one of the
most respected religious leaders on earth. I'm talking about his holiness
the 14th Dalai Lama.
He's coming to Vancouver, Toronto and Ottawa this April. He'll give speeches
and do typical official-visit stuff: Shake hands, give photo ops ...
But he won't meet many Canadian officials. They're afraid of him.
Although the Dalai Lama will be welcomed by universities and community
groups in all three cities, no city, provincial or federal official has
agreed to meet him. Even Prime Minister Paul Martin hasn't committed to
meeting the Buddhist leader.
The Dalai Lama fled Tibet in the 1950s after a failed uprising against
China. Since then, he has been working to negotiate Tibet's independence.
This is what scares some leaders away from him. They don't want to do
anything to alienate China - and jeopardize their chance to do business with
one billion Chinese people.
"The issue of Tibet is a sensitive one for the Canadian government, which
has a lot of interest in China," says Tenzin Dargyal, of the Canada-Tibet
Committee, which is bringing the Dalai Lama to Canada.
If Martin is worried that meeting the Dalai Lama will offend China, why did
U.S. President George W. Bush meet with the Buddhist leader? And British
Prime Minister Tony Blair?
In Blair's case, he used a clever loophole. The Dalai Lama, in addition to
being a political activist, is one of the world's most famous spiritual
leaders. And, of course, with the religious leader's message of peace and
non-violence, why wouldn't Blair want to meet him?
Why not indeed? This is not to say the Dalai Lama doesn't have a Canadian
political ear.
"Parliamentarians do want to meet with him," Dargyal says. He says that more
than half of the members of Parliament support the idea of Canada overseeing
the negotiations between Tibet and China.
But although they have expressed their support, Dargyal says, no one has
come forward yet to request a meeting with the Tibetan leader.
"He's never met a Prime Minister (of Canada) and this is his fourth visit,"
Dargyal says.
So, to help cut through all of this, I'd like to offer my diplomatic
services to Mr. Martin. I'd be happy to meet with the Dalai Lama when he
comes to town. I'd jump at the chance to meet someone who is, as Dargyal
says "one of the most respected human beings on the planet."
What's not to like? He's a wise and holy man, a Buddhist monk who advocates
non-violent reform for his home country.
If Bush can meet with him, why can't we? The United States has a much bigger
trade interest in China than Canada does. U.S.-China trade didn't slow down
for a second after Bush met the Dalai Lama.
We're not talking about Osama bin Laden. We're talking about a Nobel Prize
winner. A Nobel Peace Prize winner. Meeting with him will not brand you a
Buddhist sympathizer.
So why not let me show the Dalai Lama a good time when he's in Ottawa. I
promise to be on my best behaviour. If you agree, just give me a couple days
notice so I can practise my rendition of "When Irish Eyes are Smiling."
By Noel Waghorn
Capital News Online - OPINION
Mahakala
"Wendy I." <wendyge...@PARThotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10818701...@Virginia.BMTS.Com...
>
> Mon Apr 12, 5:38 PM ET
>
> SANDRA CORDON
>
> OTTAWA (CP) - Paul Martin will become the first Canadian prime minister to
> meet with the Dalai Lama despite protests from trade dynamo China.
>
>
> Canadian Press Photo
>
>
>
> Martin has decided to meet the Nobel prize winner next week when the
Tibetan
> spiritual leader visits Canada. The visit is sure to annoy Beijing. The
> prime minister's office underscored the meeting will deal "spiritual"
rather
> than political issues. "He'll be meeting (with the Dalai Lama) in his
> capacity as a spiritual leader so we're trying to arrange something that
> will fit within that frame," said Mario Lague, director of communications
> for the prime minister.
>
>
> The Dalai Lama, who is revered as a living god by his followers, arrives
in
> Canada on April 19 and has scheduled visits to Vancouver, Ottawa and
Toronto
> before he leaves again May 5.
>
>
> China - which has grown to become Canada's fourth largest export market -
> has urged Martin not to meet with the Dalai Lama.
>
>
> Beijing sees the spiritual leader as a dangerous "splittist" in the
region.
>
>
> The Chinese embassy in Ottawa issued a statement last week saying no
> Canadian government officials should meet with the Dalai Lama "in any
> capacity and in any form so as not to upset or damage the bilateral
> relations" between the two countries.
>
>
> And it warned that the Dalai Lama's trip to Canada is part of his
> "activities aimed at splitting China and undermining national unity."
>
>
> Lague said Canada values its trade relationship with China - worth about
$20
> billion annually - but Martin still wants to meet with the spiritual
leader.
>
>
> The Dalai Lama, who has led the campaign for Tibetan independence from
China
> since fleeing into exile in 1959, now lives in northern India.
>
>
> For the Tibetan faithful, he represents hope for the restoration of
> nationhood crushed by Chinese troops who invaded and annexed Tibet in
1951.
>
>
> Since then, China has outlawed the Buddhist religion and imprisoned
hundreds
> of monks.
>
>
> The Dalai Lama's Canadian supporters have collected signatures from 161
> members of Parliament, including Justice Minister Irwin Cotler, calling on
> the prime minister to play an active role in getting China and the Dalai
> Lama to negotiate the future of Tibet.
>
>
> The meeting would also represent a further step by Martin, who become
prime
> minister last December, to distance himself from his predecessor, Jean
> Chretien.
>
>
> Chretien led several trade missions to China that included hundreds of
> business leaders and provincial premiers as a means to improve commercial
> links with a booming, massive market.
>
>
> Among other things, Canada is thought to be keen to sell a new batch of
> CANDU nuclear reactors to power-thirsty China.
>
>
> But while he spoke out in China about human rights issues numerous times,
> Chretien did not ever agree to meet with the Tibetan leader.
>
>
> The Dalai Lama has met with dozen of other world dignitaries, including
U.S.
> President George W. Bush (news - web sites) and former president Bill
> Clinton (news - web sites).
>
>
>
>
>
> He has been snubbed by Moscow but met with British Prime Minister Tony
Blair
> (news - web sites) in 1999. This year, however, Blair has said he hasn't
> time for another meeting when the Tibetan leader travels to the United
> Kingdom next month.
>
>
> "John D" wrote in message news:10818679...@Virginia.BMTS.Com...
> > Canadian PM under siege over Dalai Lama trip
> >
> > Sat Apr 10,11:40 PM ET
> >
> >
> > TORONTO, (AFP) - At home and abroad, Canada's Prime Minister Paul Martin
> is
> > under fire, as critics dare him to defy China and meet Tibet's spiritual
> > leader the Dalai Lama later this month.
> >
> >
> > AFP/File Photo
> >
> >
> >
> > Martin, who took office late last year, is hedging over whether to meet
> the
> > Buddhist icon, revered as a living God by followers, who arrives in
Canada
> > later this month.
> >
> >
> > But he is reportedly under severe diplomatic pressure from Beijing to
snub
> > the Dalai Lama, amid veiled fears that a chunk of Canada's vital trade
> ties
> > with the communist giant could be at risk.
> >
> >
> > "The idea has an enormous amount of interest," Martin told reporters on
> > Friday when asked whether he would meet the Dalai Lama when he arrives
in
> > Canada next week.
> >
> >
> > "We're in the process of seeing if the logistics can be worked out."
> >
> >
> > Subtly, but unmistakeably, China has publicly upped pressure on Martin
as
> he
> > mediates on whether to schedule talks with the Dalai Lama.
> >
> >
> > An unnamed Chinese embassy official in Ottawa told CanWest newspaper
group
> > that Beijing opposed any meeting between Canadian officials and the
Dalai
> > Lama, whom it branded a separatist.
> >
> >
> > And he warned Canadian officials not to finesse the affiar, saying any
> > informal encounter might be as damaging to economic relations as a
public
> > one.
> >
> >
> > Martin should not meet the Dalai Lama in "any capacity and in any form,
so
> > as not to upset or damage the bilateral relations," the spokesman was
> quoted
> > as saying.
> >
> >
> > The economic relationship between Ottawa and Beijing has been carefully
> > cultivated by successive governments, and China is Canada's fourth
largest
> > export market.
> >
> >
> > Canada is also thought to be keen to sell a new batch of CANDU nuclear
> > reactors to power-thirsty China.
> >
> >
> > Martin finds himself on the horns of a dilemma -- torn between political
> and
> > economic expediency, and remaining true to Canada's support for human
> > rights, and opposition to political repression.
> >
> >
> > Thubten Samdup, national president of the Canada Tibet Committee is
urging
> > Martin to take "the first step and meet with His Holiness, to explore
> > Canada's potential role as honest broker."
> >
> >
> > But Canadian Foreign Minister Bill Graham said in parliament last month
> that
> > it was unlikely an official meeting would take place between the
Canadian
> > government and the Tibetan icon.
> >
> >
> > Tibetan supporters here want Canada to play a role as intermediary in
> > nascent talks between the Dalai Lama's representatives and the
government
> in
> > Beijing which first took place in September 2002.
> >
> >
> > The committee claims to have pieced together a majority of MPs in
support
> of
> > of a meeting between Martin and the Dalai Lama, hoping they will tip the
> > prime minister towards welcoming the 1989 Nobel peace prize winner.
> >
> >
> > And Martin faced new pressure from the Tibetan parliament-in-exile on
> > Saturday, which meets in the Indian hill station Dharamsala.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "It is due to pressure from China over trade that Paul Martin is not
> meeting
> > with His Holiness the Dalai Lama," said Pema Jungney, speaker of
> parliament.
> >
> > "Paul Martin is foresaking the sovereignty of Canada before Chinese
> > pressure," Jungney said.
> >
> > The controversy has drawn Martin into unflattering comparisons with US
> > President George W. Bush (news - web sites), who despite presiding over
a
> > warming of relations with Beijing, welcomed the Dalai Lama to the White
> > House last year, on the highly symbolic date, September 11.
> >
> > But the United States, which has vast economic ties with China, can
deploy
> > the political and diplomatic weight that Canada lacks, and mitigate any
> > reprisals from Beijing.
> >
> > The Dalai Lama fled Tibet after an abortive uprising in 1959 and
> established
> > a government-in-exile in the northern Indian town of Dharamsala.
> >
> > He is due to arrive in the western city of Vancouver at the start of his
> > visit on April 18, before heading to Ottawa for the most politically
> charged
> > stage of his trip between April 21-24.
> >
> > The visit ends with a stay in Toronto between April 24 and May 5.
> >
> > China, which has occupied Tibet since 1951, has been accused of trying
to
> > wipe out its Buddhist-based culture through political and religious
> > repression and a flood of ethnic Chinese immigration.
> >
> >
> > "Hellboy" <sa...@hell.gov> wrote in message
> > news:81061022b5113774...@news.teranews.com...
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John D
(Vancouver, Monday, April 19, 2004) -- Jim Harris, leader of The Green Party
of Canada would like to congratulate Prime Minister Paul Martin on his
decision to meet with His Holiness the XIV Dalai Lama.
The Green Party invites the leaders of the other Canadian political parties
and Native leaders to join us in a round table discussion on ethics with the
highly respected world leader and Nobel Peace laureate, during the Tibetan
leader's sixteen-day visit to Canada.
"Meeting the Dalai Lama would be a great honour for myself and all Greens
across the country. Through his actions and words he lives, he personifies
Green Party Values. A society based on these is how we envision Canada
someday. That someday is now", said Mr. Harris. "Canada and China share many
historical similarities. We could all learn from each other's histories to
find ways to right past wrongs. In our conflicted world, the Dalai Lama's
has been a voice of reason and compassion. His humility and respectful
dialogue are not bent upon revenge but to seek a workable compromise for the
Tibetan people with the people of China."
The Green Party of Canada supports the Tibetan people to pursue the middle
path, an autonomous region and government of Tibet within China. Similarly,
by law, Canada must recognize the traditional rights, traditional lands, and
the fundamental right of self-governance that belongs to all Aboriginal
Nations including those within Canada. The Green Party will restore
integrity to the settlements within a "nation to nation" negotiations
framework, and apologize to our own aboriginal peoples that it took so long.
"We must be the change we wish to see". - M.K. Gandhi
- 30 -
For more information:
Silvaine Zimmermann, BC GPC media liaison: 604-319-6659
Dermod Travis, Green Party media co-coordinator: 514-281-1907
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"Mahakala" <Maha...@removethis.mailbolt.com> wrote in message
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Don Wagner
So why should we follow the advice of the Dalai Lama? It didn't seem
to do him much good.
Don Wagner
Mahakala
"Don Wagner" <don...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:_gZhc.228650$oR5.130741@pd7tw3no...
Only to your limited, finite thinking abilities.
Yu
> > >
> > > SANDRA CORDON
Amazing to see so much disinformation in one article.
> > > Martin has decided to meet the Nobel prize winner next week when the
> Tibetan
> > > spiritual leader visits Canada. The visit is sure to annoy Beijing. The
> > > prime minister's office underscored the meeting will deal "spiritual"
> rather
> > > than political issues. "He'll be meeting (with the Dalai Lama) in his
> > > capacity as a spiritual leader so we're trying to arrange something that
> > > will fit within that frame," said Mario Lague, director of
> communications
> > > for the prime minister.
The Dalai Lama works for the CIA.
He was paid US$180,000 a year for his service to the CIA.
See declassified CIA document:
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state/history/vol_xxx/337_343.html
Canada is a faithful NATO member and spliting China is good for US
geopolitical interest so Martin is doing USA a favor.
Don't pretend to be a hero claiming to meet the Dalai Lama dispite of
trementrous pressure from China.
When did Canada ever fear China so much?
The Canadian Gov have for years been funding the Canada Tibet
Committee, disguised as NGO.
> > > The Chinese embassy in Ottawa issued a statement last week saying no
> > > Canadian government officials should meet with the Dalai Lama "in any
> > > capacity and in any form so as not to upset or damage the bilateral
> > > relations" between the two countries.
It will prove to be empty threat.
Each side know that there is little warmth in the relationship.
US is not going to be China's friend because of geo-political rivary
and Canada will for its own interest, side with USA.
The rest are just propaganda.
> > > And it warned that the Dalai Lama's trip to Canada is part of his
> > > "activities aimed at splitting China and undermining national unity."
USA is trying to split western China which is adjoining Central Asia.
Put simply it's Oil.
> > > The Dalai Lama, who has led the campaign for Tibetan independence from
> China
> > > since fleeing into exile in 1959, now lives in northern India.
The Dalai Lama have not campaigned for an independent Tibet because
Tibet is economically to dependent of the rest of China.
His western supporters attached their own political agenda on to the
Tibet campaign.
> > > For the Tibetan faithful, he represents hope for the restoration of
> > > nationhood crushed by Chinese troops who invaded and annexed Tibet in
> 1951.
China never invaded Tibet. Tibet has been part of China for centuries.
CIA created the lies about because of the Korean war.
Back in the 40s every sovereign nations at the time recognized Tibet
as a part of China. They included USA, UK, USSR, India.
Then, in the 50s because of the Korean war (1950-1953) CIA launched a
massive propaganda campaign accusing China
of invading Tibet in 1951.
See US State Department document:
http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/bureaus/eap/950907WiedemannTibet.html
------
The United States considers the Tibet Autonomous Region or TAR
(hereinafter referred to as "Tibet") as part of the People's
Republic of China. This longstanding policy is consistent with the
view of the entire international community, including all China's
neighbors: no country recognizes Tibet as a sovereign state. Moreover,
U.S. acceptance of China's claim of sovereignty over
Tibet predates the establishment of the People's Republic of China. In
1942, we told the Nationalist Chinese government then
headquartered in Chongqing (Chungking) that we had "at no time raised
(a) question" over Chinese claims to Tibet.
-------
> > > Since then, China has outlawed the Buddhist religion and imprisoned
> hundreds
> > > of monks.
That a balant lie.
China has more Buddhists than the population of Canada.
The world's largest Statue of Lord Buhhda is in China.
It is a million times bigger that any statue of Mao and a Buddhist
University is comming up, one of very few in the world.
> > > The Dalai Lama has met with dozen of other world dignitaries, including
> U.S.
> > > President George W. Bush (news - web sites) and former president Bill
> > > Clinton (news - web sites).
> > > He has been snubbed by Moscow but met with British Prime Minister Tony
> Blair
> > > (news - web sites) in 1999. This year, however, Blair has said he hasn't
> > > time for another meeting when the Tibetan leader travels to the United
> > > Kingdom next month.
So Dalai met with all these world class bully who all claim to be
under trementrous pressure for China; great heroes they are.
Don Wagner
Even my limited, finite thinking abilities are able to discern that in
spite of
all the love thy neighbour and forgiveness advocated by the Dalai Lama,
he can't live in Tibet because someone else occupies it. Or did your
unlimited, infinite thinking ablilities miss that part?
Don Wagner
Mahakala
So, all the reports, all the history, evidence we can see with our own
eyes...are all lies and CIA plots. Do you have any idea how hysterical you
are?
Mahakala
What part, Uncle Don? All I saw was the sarcasm. Or do you advocate that,
since you cannot see the immediate benefits from living a spiritual life,
that secularism and perhaps violence are better choices?
>
Magister
> "John D" <Wend...@bmts.com> wrote in message news:<10826668...@Virginia.BMTS.Com>...
> > > >
> > > > SANDRA CORDON
>
> Amazing to see so much disinformation in one article.
You have done much better with disinformation, I see.
>
>
> > > > Martin has decided to meet the Nobel prize winner next week when the
> Tibetan
> > > > spiritual leader visits Canada. The visit is sure to annoy Beijing. The
> > > > prime minister's office underscored the meeting will deal "spiritual"
> rather
> > > > than political issues. "He'll be meeting (with the Dalai Lama) in his
> > > > capacity as a spiritual leader so we're trying to arrange something that
> > > > will fit within that frame," said Mario Lague, director of
> communications
> > > > for the prime minister.
>
> The Dalai Lama works for the CIA.
> He was paid US$180,000 a year for his service to the CIA.
> See declassified CIA document:
> http://www.state.gov/www/about_state/history/vol_xxx/337_343.html
As always, you misuse and misread the text. The Dalai Lama was not on
the CIA payroll. Instead, in national interests, the CIA was
interested in resisting the spread of communism. In this case, they
supported Tibetan freedom fighters and gave a subsidy to
Dharmsala--chicken feed, at best. Certainly nothing to tempt the Dalai
Lama to sell out his people. (In fact, he does not even want to be in
a leadership position, but feels that his people demand it.) Oh, and
it is an old article that you quote.
The CIA has supported other anticommunist groups as well, but you do
not claim that each leader of each group is on the payroll of the CIA.
Nice try. On the other hand, not a nice try. Typical communist
disinformation from a deluded stooge.
>
> Canada is a faithful NATO member and spliting China is good for US
> geopolitical interest so Martin is doing USA a favor.
What ineffable twaddle.
>
> Don't pretend to be a hero claiming to meet the Dalai Lama dispite of
> trementrous pressure from China.
> When did Canada ever fear China so much?
Like every country, they "fear" China for the loss of revenues.
>
> The Canadian Gov have for years been funding the Canada Tibet
> Committee, disguised as NGO.
>
> > > > The Chinese embassy in Ottawa issued a statement last week saying no
> > > > Canadian government officials should meet with the Dalai Lama "in any
> > > > capacity and in any form so as not to upset or damage the bilateral
> > > > relations" between the two countries.
>
> It will prove to be empty threat.
> Each side know that there is little warmth in the relationship.
> US is not going to be China's friend because of geo-political rivary
> and Canada will for its own interest, side with USA.
> The rest are just propaganda.
>
> > > > And it warned that the Dalai Lama's trip to Canada is part of his
> > > > "activities aimed at splitting China and undermining national unity."
>
> USA is trying to split western China which is adjoining Central Asia.
> Put simply it's Oil.
Get off it, fool. If the US wanted oil, they could take it. Who could
stop them? If the war was for oil in the first place, as people like
you claim, why in blazes are the oil prices up in the US? Why any
pretending? Bush is direct, he could simply state his objectives, take
over Kuwait first, then Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. But you are not able
to digest arguments against your preconceptions, so I am wasting my
time.
>
>
> > > > The Dalai Lama, who has led the campaign for Tibetan independence from
> China
> > > > since fleeing into exile in 1959, now lives in northern India.
>
> The Dalai Lama have not campaigned for an independent Tibet because
> Tibet is economically to dependent of the rest of China.
> His western supporters attached their own political agenda on to the
> Tibet campaign.
You speak his mind for him, and know what goes on inside? Ah, a
telepath. Very effective for the communist cause.
>
>
> > > > For the Tibetan faithful, he represents hope for the restoration of
> > > > nationhood crushed by Chinese troops who invaded and annexed Tibet in
> > 1951.
>
>
> China never invaded Tibet. Tibet has been part of China for centuries.
That has been disproved many times over.
> CIA created the lies about because of the Korean war.
Tibet was independent before the Korean war. Consult maps, treaties,
etc. prior to that war.
> Back in the 40s every sovereign nations at the time recognized Tibet
> as a part of China. They included USA, UK, USSR, India.
Not true.
> Then, in the 50s because of the Korean war (1950-1953) CIA launched a
> massive propaganda campaign accusing China
> of invading Tibet in 1951.
You are less and less credible with every sentence.
>
> See US State Department document:
> http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/bureaus/eap/950907WiedemannTibet.html
The CIA may use circumstances and focus on some aspects, but they do
not create reality. The CCP attempts to create its own reality. They
are insane, because communists actually believe the "reality" that
they create themselves.
> ------
> The United States considers the Tibet Autonomous Region or TAR
> (hereinafter referred to as "Tibet") as part of the People's
> Republic of China. This longstanding policy is consistent with the
> view of the entire international community, including all China's
> neighbors: no country recognizes Tibet as a sovereign state. Moreover,
> U.S. acceptance of China's claim of sovereignty over
> Tibet predates the establishment of the People's Republic of China. In
> 1942, we told the Nationalist Chinese government then
> headquartered in Chongqing (Chungking) that we had "at no time raised
> (a) question" over Chinese claims to Tibet.
> -------
>
>
> > > > Since then, China has outlawed the Buddhist religion and imprisoned
> hundreds
> > > > of monks.
>
> That a balant lie.
Not in Tibet. Who is lying? The monks that have lived to tell the
tale? Inconsistent.
> China has more Buddhists than the population of Canada.
> The world's largest Statue of Lord Buhhda is in China.
> It is a million times bigger that any statue of Mao and a Buddhist
> University is comming up, one of very few in the world.
That is important (yawn).
>
>
> > > > The Dalai Lama has met with dozen of other world dignitaries, including
> U.S.
> > > > President George W. Bush (news - web sites) and former president Bill
> > > > Clinton (news - web sites).
>
> > > > He has been snubbed by Moscow but met with British Prime Minister Tony
> Blair
> > > > (news - web sites) in 1999. This year, however, Blair has said he hasn't
> > > > time for another meeting when the Tibetan leader travels to the United
> > > > Kingdom next month.
>
> So Dalai met with all these world class bully who all claim to be
> under trementrous pressure for China; great heroes they are.
China is a bully. To meet with the Dalai Lama, even as a religious
leader (as these meetings are) terrifies China, and they attempt to
dictate the policies of those countries. Perhaps the leaders that meet
with the Dalai Lama are heroes after all.
You are almost a worthy adversary, but still easily dispensed with.
Now, I must return to work.
John D
unspoken deal is that China gets mideast oil shared equitably between NAFTA
and the Pacific Rim, and they stay the fuck out of mideast politics and the
russians and europeans get to shop in the rest of the third world.
Meantime, USA and allies stay out of anything that might be considered
China's sphere of influence. Paul Martin is very close to the line with
his meeting with HHDL, but he has not crossed it yet. Therefore it is a
commendable act both because it is
a) a bold new departure
b) a shrewd one at that.
However, China's low cost of labour and absolutely staggeringly immense
plastics industry will dovetail with the US' availability of capital,
technology and marketplace. So the west will never take China on, the
Chinese are behaving perfectly in US eyes. Who cares what the people of
China or Tibet need?
Our Trade Unions should be spending every single dime of membership dues on
recruiting and organizing in Asia. Forget about strikes and job actions
here. They're a losing proposition and will continue to be one until wages
in the third world start going up.
Only way for that to happen is strong unions there. The North American
Economy is a post-union realm.
"Magister" <magi...@witches.zzn.com> wrote in message
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Yu
> "Yu" <yug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:f0abc8cb.04042...@posting.google.com...
> > "John D" <Wend...@bmts.com> wrote in message
> news:<10826668...@Virginia.BMTS.Com>...
> So, all the reports, all the history, evidence we can see with our own
> eyes...are all lies and CIA plots. Do you have any idea how hysterical you
> are?
A lie repeated 1000s of time become truth to some people.
USA and UK are spending millions each year gearing up to the next cold
war with China.
Yu
There was a personal subsidy of US$180,000 for the Dalai Lama himself.
> The CIA has supported other anticommunist groups as well, but you do
> not claim that each leader of each group is on the payroll of the CIA.
You mean people like Suharto and Marcos.
They got so rich that they can subsidize the CIA.
> Nice try. On the other hand, not a nice try. Typical communist
> disinformation from a deluded stooge.
Declassified CIA document = communist disinformation?
[..]
> > USA is trying to split western China which is adjoining Central Asia.
> > Put simply it's Oil.
>
> Get off it, fool. If the US wanted oil, they could take it. Who could
> stop them?
Really?
160,000 US troops trapped in Iraq. That's 40 % of US army battling
some part time Iraqi militia.
> If the war was for oil in the first place, as people like
> you claim,
Bush mis-calculated!
> why in blazes are the oil prices up in the US? Why any
> pretending?
Oil price goes up because of strog global ecomonic growth especially
Asia.
Also because Iraq is in a mess.
> > The Dalai Lama have not campaigned for an independent Tibet because
> > Tibet is economically to dependent of the rest of China.
> > His western supporters attached their own political agenda on to the
> > Tibet campaign.
>
> You speak his mind for him, and know what goes on inside? Ah, a
> telepath. Very effective for the communist cause.
I don't read his mind.
That's what he told European Parlaiment.
He is not seeking Tibet independence.
> > So Dalai met with all these world class bully who all claim to be
> > under trementrous pressure for China; great heroes they are.
>
> China is a bully. To meet with the Dalai Lama, even as a religious
> leader (as these meetings are) terrifies China, and they attempt to
> dictate the policies of those countries. Perhaps the leaders that meet
> with the Dalai Lama are heroes after all.
>
> You are almost a worthy adversary, but still easily dispensed with.
> Now, I must return to work.
China dictate policy onto world class bully like Bush and Blair?
You are talking fiction.
Marvin Android
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> "Mahakala" <Maha...@removethis.mailbolt.com> wrote in message
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> > "Yu" <yug...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:f0abc8cb.04042...@posting.google.com...
> > > "John D" <Wend...@bmts.com> wrote in message
> > news:<10826668...@Virginia.BMTS.Com>...
>
> > So, all the reports, all the history, evidence we can see with our own
> > eyes...are all lies and CIA plots. Do you have any idea how hysterical
you
> > are?
>
> A lie repeated 1000s of time become truth to some people.
> USA and UK are spending millions each year gearing up to the next cold
> war with China.
Marvin Android
anyone makes. What a total asshole loser.
Mahakala
"Marvin Android" <ad...@harmless.com> wrote in message
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Indeed so. These types are always right, no matter how wrong they are. Only
so much effort can be made to disspel their foolishness.
Harbinger
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>
What a typical response from TIers ? When the TIers are cornered in a
cul-de-sac, they would be nauseating profanity. What a stinkard !!
Mahakala
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Better to have some profanity than your brainless parrotting of CCP scripts.
He makes more sense and has more valid points than you do, my son.
Marvin Android
kind can't face the facts or issues. But where do you, Bill Moore, Tom
Wheat, Konchuk, Jackson or anyone else get "typical" with profanity? It's
who I am, but not who the rest of you are. Exception makes the rule, TYPICAL
commie pshite.
Magister
> cul-de-sac, they would be nauseating profanity. What a stinkard !!
If you don't like it, use a filter. Or is even that above your
intelligence level, ape?